let's check how that "chinese century" is coming along....

oh.

Let's go Tibet

>>510273270 (OP)
How do China make GDP go up without replacing their population with thirdies?

Imagine if Manchuria remained independent. They would be the first country in history with TFRs below zero

>>510273272
They don’t. They make up the numbers and pretend like the problem will go away.

>>510273270 (OP)
kek why do they do this to themselves, can't xi force them to make babies?

>>510273273
nah korea would still have it beat

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SEND IN THE BWC

>>510273275
No. Mass-rape happens to be a very unpopular idea.

>>510273272
Because it's all fake numbers. Even the leader of China said so

>>510273270 (OP)
Reminder these are Chinese stats which are always fake. This means the real number is even worse

>>510273275
economic growth must happen at all cost, the country.

>>510273280
how can it be lower than this, that's dystopian

>>510273282
When you have a 1 child policy and a huge gender imbalance anything is possible

>>510273270 (OP)
I could fix this if they're okay with a few congenital defects

>>510273283
not to mention shrinking job opportunities and an enormous real estate bubble

Bro just found out that the fertility crisis is a global phenomena

I am interested doe to see how the Chinese will try to fix this crisis

If anyone can do some heavy handed authoritarian program like a mandatory 3 child policy, it's them

>>510273286
The CCP can do anything except get incels to reproduce

>>510273273
They already had low fertility hundreds of years ago during the Qing dynasty, even mixed Manchus didn't have many kids. Their own native province had immigrations blocks for Han people but eventually they almost dissapeared from not breeding (look up the Willow Palisade).>>510273274

>>510273286
Chinese are good at factories. Just make baby factories. Duh.

>>510273287
Retard that thought that the Chinese couldn't fix studyceling or predatory tech giants like Tencent wasting Chinese time and money

>>510273289
I'll donate raw material

>>510273291
In your case that would probably be considered a war crime

>>510273286
Is it any coincidence that the countries with higher fertility rates tend to be those with lower levels of development?

>>510273293
Now look at Israel bro

>>510273270 (OP)
Tibet is the only part I like in China.

Unfortunately, Chinese annexed the great country of Tibet and are sending Chinese immigrants in Tibet.

>>510273270 (OP)
it's atheism.
everywhere in the western world, the only people that have enough kids are the religious.
in the USA, Amish people have like 8 kids
israel is the only western country with could fertility because of their strong faith
china is a godless atheist state so it's no wonder they don't have kids.

the overpopulation hysteria has really fucked up the fertility rates worldwide

>>510273286
get better map

>>510273296
Yes, if you have a aimless worldview (is atheism even a worldview/ideology?) you won't care for building the future (next generation).

>>510273296
Eh they’ve been trying to bring back Confucianism at least, though it’s not really working. In the end the immortal science of Marxism-Leninism was defeated by the perennial “no bitches” problem.

>>510273273
>>510273288
>northeast china population: 100 million
>manchu population: 10,410,585
>manchus are like 10% of manchuria
don't blame the manchus. it's not their fault. their land is overrun by the hans.

>>510273270 (OP)
I mean the party will just abandon the elderly and memoryhole it if they find them enough of a burden

>>510273296
Retarded American animal incapable of divorcing his mind from his Walmart Protestantism frame of reference

In Asia, being a devout Buddhist is associated with a lower TFR than atheism

>>510273270 (OP)
>0.61 Shanghai
What about Shanghai stops people from making babies?

>>510273303
literally agrees with the american in the last sentence. buddhism isnt even a religion

>>510273303
>Retarded American animal
Bruh you're from NORTH MACEDONIA

>>510273283
They stopped the one child policy years ago

>>510273306
>>510273305
Collective 80 IQ response

>>510273299
You don't have to be religious in order to believe that life and human civilization are worth preserving and continuing.

>>510273301
majority of the manchu lives around beijing

>>510273303
well obviously the "live in a cave and eat grass" religion is an exception, i was talking about all the normal ones

>>510273307
Yeah but a simple policy reversal won’t suddenly undo three decades’ worth of population damage

>>510273286
>I am interested doe to see how the Chinese will try to fix this crisis
Put me in, coach

>>510273301
why are germans so evil?

>>510273314
what does this have to do with germans

>>510273315
>their land is overrun by the hans

>>510273311
Bro Jesus literally lived in a cave in the Judean desert and ate nothing for 40 days

Also Shinto has even lower TFR

>>510273297
If people don't have children it's because of the internet and the hypergamy of women.

Because of the social medias and the simps, they have the illusion they have a lot of choices, so they never choose or leave their boyfriend for nothing because they have always the impression they can have a better man and there are no couples anymore.

>>510273316
kek i was referring to han chinese

>>510273314
>>510273316
lol

>>510273301
Because they didn't breed back in the day.
>>510273309
I didn't say you have to be religious. I said you won't breed if you have an aimless worldview. SOME irreligious people care about building the future (some, a few).

>>510273270 (OP)
It's less of a problem for China because they have so many rural people that the labour shortages can be mitigated by moving the rural folks to the city

>>510273270 (OP)
>>510273273
Why is manchuria so low I expected jurchen tribes region to be higher even more surprisingly Retarded budhist hole mogs every other region

>>510273318
why do people always blame women in this discussion.
men share 50% of the responsibility for this. if you look at the data, young women mostly do want to start families. it's young men who are saying at incredibly high rates that they don't want to get married, don't want kids, who aren't searching for a partner, who are chronically unemployed and giving up on life.
young women work harder than young men across the board but especially in china and want to have kids, it's men that are dragging them down but somehow it's the women's fault?
just strange to me.

>>510273324
controversial truthnuke

>>510273324
You can see for yourself in your data. Women have higher status than men on average nowadays, women don't want a lower status man, but men can easily marry a mcdonalds cashier if she's not bitchy.

>>510273324
Women getting college degrees indicates that they DON'T want families early, or at all.

>>510273326
women don't want a lower status man because he'll want to be the dominant partner of the relationship no matter what.
why would a woman with a masters degree marry a poor slob who didn't graduate high school if he's going to demand she quit her career to be a stay at home mom? it makes no sense.
if social roles were adjusted so that it would be acceptable to have a dynamic where a better educated woman is the breadwinner while the less educated, poorer husband raises the kids, you wouldn't have this issue. but this dynamic is heavily stigmatized in the western world. misandry means you're seen as a sissy faggot unless you're the breadwinner.

>>510273324
A lot of very isolated, very online young men who eat up manosphere slop have blackpilled themselves into justifying their being lazy slobs who can’t be bothered to improve their dating prospects, and they cope by blaming feminism or darkies or Jews, and the cycle just keeps repeating

>>510273323
manchuria was urbanized, industrialized earlier than most of china or even east asia. The region was deindustrializing while most of china was industrializing, which led to job loss and migration to other parts of china.

>>510273327
but the data shows otherwise, college educated women do want kids, just later on

>>510273288
must be something in soil to cause people infertile
>>510273323
>jurchen tribes

today manchus are middle class Han chinese in everything by name they live in cities, spoke Mandarin and declare as Manchus out of tradition and tax cuts rather than genuine belief because they are higher income than almost all ethnic groups of China there are even conspiracy theories they run China in secret and CCP are their puppets

>>510273332
>manchus run the ccp in secret
kek?!?!?

>>510273270 (OP)
bump

>>510273333
always has been

>>510273270 (OP)
Can't the state just make people have more babies in China? They made them stop having babies.

>>510273298
>better
>posts 9 year old map

>>510273336
you're greatly overestimating the power of the state. even in countries where extreme authoritarianism is used to raise fertility it doesn't really work (ex: romania)

>>510273331
>the data
>source: we asked some women
Actions speak louder than words.

>>510273331
More like

> study black feminist twerk degree
> get jewish daycare job centre
> spend all her youth with degeneracy
> be 46 and her tinder profile is "I'm open to having babies, serious relationship only!!!"

>>510273274
>>510273279
Yet life goes on and China will unironically be more stable than the West which will face civil unrest and ethnic conflict

>>510273340
>>510273339
>t. NEETs seething because they're virgins at 30

>>510273272
Robots?
I think that's the first major problem AI may actually solve.
The people will be directed to those activities which AI can't yet perform, while AI will do the rest. It can probably do at least 10% of the jobs already, reasonably well, specially if there's one or two supervisors.

>>510273342
>understanding women = NEET
Okay buddy

>>510273342
When a foid or normgroid says you're incel, they admit that not having sex is the worst thing they can imagine, which amounts to concede that sex is the only thing women have to offer.

>>510273343
Automation and AI will have to be their answer.

Taiwan should accept women and children refugees from china to help speed up their collapse and help our own demographics

>>510273347
they should accept filipino negritos so that taiwan's demographics revert to what they were before chinese colonization

>>510273296
not atheism, it's broader than that. it's an overly individualistic mindset. it's something all developed nations have in common.

>>510273349
but china has a very communalist mindset, no? i mean they're literally a communist state? and the US which is the most individualist of all has a pretty good birth rate.

i'm not saying you're entirely wrong, but i don't think that's one of the main factors.

>>510273350
China hasn’t been communist since 1978. They’re a hypercapitalist market economy directed by the CPC as it sees fit. Don’t be fooled by the Marxist-Leninist cosplay.

>>510273350
>but china has a very communalist mindset
not at all, the wealthier Chinese are indistinguishable from westerners. if you look at any population that becomes wealthier and educated, the same pattern emerges.
>and the US which is the most individualist of all has a pretty good birth rate.
you're counteracting the cultural effect by importing mexicans who don't share the inner city liberal values and padding up your population at the same time.
i'm not saying religion is unrelated, it is. religion is how you get women to marry and have children, and the men to own up to the responsibility of taking care of them. it's just a little more complicated than 'atheism' because you can be nominally religious and not practice or care about religious custom. the main thing is that people are shifting from caring about family towards caring about themselves above all.

>>510273270 (OP)
Lmao, you can tell manchu are the brothers of Koreans, both have extremely low birthrates

>>510273272
It takes time for the effect to be felt + they still used to be poor less than 30 years ago.

>>510273324
Now lets see what kind of "degrees" they have too.

>>510273270 (OP)
Tibet will be independent by 2100

We're really at a turning point in history. For the first time ever we have widespread control over personal reproduction. Some population decline is good, but if we don't figure out how to stabilize birthrates around replacement level, reproductive freedom just isn't a viable freedom for a society to maintain. And even liberal minded people aren't worried by this.

>>510273270 (OP)
the 21st century will be african

>>510273272
they outsource to India and Africa.

>>510273270 (OP)
Oh only 1 billion of them. Truly they are about to be replaced.

>>510273311
In China that's the normal religion.

>>510273274
>They make up the numbers and pretend like the problem will go away
hey that sounds familiar

>>510273270 (OP)
Good. Tibet is rightful owner of the chinese throne!

>>510273274
>>510273279
>its all fake numbers! They need to import millions of jeets and blacks like me!
Holy coperino!

>>510273347
Taiwan has worse demographics than practically everybody including the mainland

>>510273270 (OP)
I dont see the problem. Every developed country has declining birthrate due to lower need for farm hands and factory labor due to automation as well as increase in survival rate of babies and children.

>>510275387
u remember when chinks totally invented a brand new ai that costs 0 in a desperate attempt to tank nvidia only to be exposed as liars?
yeah they would never lie. oh wait they lie about everything, all the time.

>>510273270 (OP)
They need niggers, street shitters and goat fuckers

>>510273272
They do the same thing the U.S. does. Most of their wealth is borrowed albeit the problem with Chinas wealth is it's technically the state run companies borrowing the money

>>510273270 (OP)
Why doesn't China return to a one-child policy? Every woman must bear a child, or else be sent to a prison work camp. Enough of this childfree "my body my choice" bullshit.

>>510273270 (OP)
China doesn't care about what happens in the future. They only care about now. Just look at what they did to Hong Kong. China could have inherited an economic power house within a little over 20 years. Instead, they neutered the country and inadvertently transferred all that power to Singapore.

>>510273272
GDP is not even the best measurement, but also GDP per capita matters much more.

>>510273288
Where's your proof for this claim.
>trust me bro
Put the dog meat in the bag, Changdong.

Turns out women's male-pattern employment and family formation are incompatible.
There is also the "rising cost" of childrearing, not in a sense it is expensive in absolute terms, but in a sense it costs your life as a degenerate fad-chasing consumermaxxed hedonist, which is what you are raised to believe in from birth and commercially facilitated more than ever in history.
The reason divorce rates are so disastrously high because people expect the same self-centered pleasure, entertainment and comfort from their marriages, and people do not work that way.

I think the reason Chinese and Korean birth rates are even worse than Western ones is because women in the latter might pop out a consolation baby around 40, when they are forced to realize they are not teenage girls anymore, whilst East Asians fully commit to being wage slaves.

>>510273271
It it a testament to their strength and their horniness that they are only barely below replacement level while until commie oppression. Good job Tibetans. Teach me your ways that I can pick up chicks like a Tibetan mountain man.

>>510273270 (OP)
Surely predictions about 76 years in the future can't be wrong

>>510280857
>women's male-pattern employment
I'm going to steal that phrase.

Just order PLA to rape all women

>>510273272
china will mass import third worlders. just watch... hong kong is already full of foreigners. macau too and guangzhou has a lot of africans.

>>510273270 (OP)
>has no imperial ambitions
No chinese century then.

>>510273273
manchuria's population is already collapsing. they lost like 15 million people iirc between 2011 and 2021. that number is probably over 20 million by now.

>>510273355
exactly. im cs/math student in university and there are times when i go into class and look around and feel something strange. then i realize out of the 70 people there is not a single woman.