>paraphrased conversation between the pilots to set a fake narrative
>RAT deploys before engine cutoff switches are toggled
>DGCA policy mandated never releasing the cockpit audio or a full transcript
this is the gayest cover-up in aviation history and it's made possible by the incident taking place in a corrupt shithole. Lucky for Boeing, but I'm still not going!

>>RAT deploys before engine cutoff switches are toggled
what is the importance of this?

RAT gets deployed if the engines aren't running
so you're contradicting yourself

>>510292367
like i called dual engine compressor stall from the get go
but the GEnx engines on these are very reliable being used for over a decade without any catastrophic failure
so for both to fail on takeoff after v1? nearly impossible
so now there were no birds
cutting the fuel fits

>>510292144 (OP)
who was on the plane that might have motivated glowies to crash it? has the passenger manifesto been released and analyzed? i'd be looking for military, scientists, journalists, politicians, anyone potentially connected to the recent india/pakistan conflict...

>>510292870
>cutting the fuel fits
or having it cut remotely, triggering the switch (and the corresponding sound on the tape)

>>510292367
The prevailing theory is the captain turned the engines off to dunk the plane, and they got some Baljeet to write a fake report on it to blame the captain without being too obvious about it.

>>510293007
yeah but what's the motive
and these are locking toggle switches
they can't be switched electronically
sure the function they control can but it wouldn't explain the recording

>>510293145
i'm not following
the captain did it
and then a poo wrote a fake report that blames the same captain?

>>510293007
There is no sound on any tape. They'll never release the audio, even if it wasn't standard policy for the DGCA. That's why they paraphrased the fuck out of the cockpit recording. The real, full audio would reveal no 'click-click' sound that would otherwise come from the captain manually flicking the engines off after take-off. Those switches aren't silent, they're very audible and distinctive. Lucky for Boeing!

>>510293396
Not just any poo, it was from the ministry of civil aviation. They leaked it to the WSJ before officially releasing it at midnight one day ago. Piss-poor handling at best, cover-up at worst.

>>510294094
yeah still not following

>>510292144 (OP)
i dont get why the jeet would flip the switches to kill himself and let the other pilot turn them back on, and also not just push the yoke and dive that bitch also.
what i think happened is the 82IQ jeet just straight up brain farted and flipped them off.
then the other one said why you cut fuel benchod bastard bitch fuck bloodey
and the jeet that cut the fuel said oh fuck bloody and turned them back on.

Probably fake.

>>510294235
It's about corruption on all levels.

Maybe suicide, maybe a random brainfart
I can happen if pilot didn't get enough sleep
This flight was at 8AM which may be significant

>>510292870
>like i called dual engine compressor stall from the get go
jeet pilot says on voice recorder 'why did you cut off?" meaning why did the other pilot intentionally cut off the fuel to both engines.

>>510292144 (OP)
Boeing released a bulletin that informed airlines that some of the planes had been inadvertently equipped with fuel shut off switches that had the locking mechanism missing. However, the throttle mechanism had been replaced twice since the bulletin was circulated so the proper switches should have been in place.
Except its India, so...

>>510294843
Wrong. That's paraphrased. They don't reveal the exact conversation. And they won't.

>>510293604
What does India get out of not release the tape and showing there wasn't a "click-click"? There are going to be a good number of people with access to the tape and I doubt the official list of access and who actually has access are no where near the same so bribing is damn near impossible to get away with no one noticing.
Also, looking at the YT videos on this crash you see the Indians out in force going on about how this isn't the India's crew messing up or murdering the whole plane (by suicide). So even if they take a bribe they'll still release it.

>>510295456
Unfortunately they replaced it a year or two ago, it's legit.

>>510292144 (OP)
>Lucky for Boeing

Shut the fuck up you faggot short seller

>>510294489
i don't think a pilot would want to suicide this pathetically. not very high yet, still over airport, copilot in horror, but still in the cockpit. that's no way to go when looking at skyking, desu. i roll for brainfart and will desperately try to exit any jeet driven airplane if i ever make the mistake of ending in one.

>>510295655
He is a Pajeet

Its like worse than being born a Palestinian

>>510295532
No one wants to lose face. We wuz superpower doesn't work if you're admitting you're too stupid to catch a sabotage effort on on one of your flagship airline's planes.

>>510292144 (OP)
>>DGCA policy
Doesn't matter, they're not performing the investigation.

>>510292144 (OP)
all they have to do is give details of big fishes who died in the (((accident)).

>>510295655
>not very high yet
If they were higher the fuel lines could be turned on before the plane crashed.

>>510296167
>big fishes
>Air India

>>510293604
Could the switches not have been locked properly? That might explain them triggering within 1 second of each other due to their weight as the plane pitched upward.

>>510292927
Why is everything glowies?

Thought experiment- you get isekaied to India and you look at your hands and you're a pajeet. You are also at the controls of a plane that just went through rotation taking off and the plane is full of pajeets

What do?

>>510296442
>Could the switches not have been locked properly
No they need to lock to engage.

>>510294333
It gives deniablity to let them get turned back on since it isn't clear who did it, at least from what was released. The family of the one that did it will probably be lynched by an angry mob. Hell, they might just lynch both.

Ultimately it was too late anyways the plane was doomed after a few seconds.

>>510292144 (OP)
I'd rather board a turboprop Tupolev than a turbofan Boeing

>>510292144 (OP)
Too bad the switches must have a direct line to the fuel pumps. No computer in between. Otherwise they could make a jeet software update that would reject switch command in times where it makes no sense to shut off the fuel.

>>510296200
i understand the technical suicide this early cutoff meant. it just doesn't seem the method of someone into flying. he could have run his car into a bridge pillar with more style.

>>510292144 (OP)
I don't care what "people" say they found on the Blackbox(es), I think it was sabotage and something with the plan to say it was Pakistan went wrong after Trump just talked to them, blackmailed them (India and Pakistan) or whatever, over the heads of his own intelligence.
There's some people who wanted, needed a distraction and kind of a break from Ukraine and Israel, Iran. India and Pakistan would have been the case. And an engine for the US' Mic without getting in a direct conflict to another country.
You all can write whatever you want, it won't change my opinion.

>>510297100
>it just doesn't seem the method of someone into flying.
He might have wanted a body count.

>>510292144 (OP)
>Saar we are good pilots Saar
>Indian Air Force is super power Saar

My guess is that air India is full of nepotism and incompetence just like every other indian business. This wasn't a cover up, it was just Indians being Indians.

>>510297082
this actually made me wonder, too. why would a cutoff be allowed when there's no indication for the necessity but all indication for this being the end of the day for everyone on board. alarms should be part of such a decision / switch process. considering now to never fly again. well done, kikes.

>>510297100
>be jeet
>someone tried to blackmail you the night before your scheduled London flight
>they found your white girl CP
>get up go to work
>70IQ brain is racing
>how to get out of this situation?
>do a flip or 2
You're going to die. Who cares about style? Lmao what makes you think he's into flying? Because he's a pilot lol, lmao even. It's India. His caste permitted it and it seemed like a good way to get some pussy.

>>510297581
>why would a cutoff be allowed
Because if there's an engine fire the fuel has to be stopped.

>>510297475
there was that german a while ago, who dived the plane he was supposed to pilot into a mountain. and a similar speculation. i don't get this wanting harm on random people. pilots should be screened like astronauts. i know, they won't.

>>510292281
You something is wrong when the rats are abandoning the plane.

>>510297829
Wrong. Even if there is an engine fire. In this segment of the flight nothing is done by the pilots. They continue to climb to at least 1k feet. Then they start with the check list. First both pilots identify which engine is on fire, then thrust goes to idle, then fuel cuts off (also confirming again which engine to be cut off) only then can you twist the fire extinguisher.
There is 0 reason and scenarios to allow fuel cut off on TOGA power below 1k feet.

>>510296785
thats all actually pretty plausible
its impossible to say if it was suicide or not, especially if the jeets dont release the data sadly.

>>510298028
>who dived the plane he was supposed to pilot into a mountain
And he did so by locking the other pilot out of the cockpit.

>>510298115
No I'm saying why it is on a toggleable switch. The operator is trusted to use it correctly.

>>510292281
The RAT powers the hydraulics and computers if the power supply fails. The plane has battery back up, but the main power comes from the engine.

>>510292144 (OP)
Some idiot jeet turned off the fuel mid flight. The last time this happened was in 1987 when the 767 was new. Fuel shut offs were made significantly more cumbersome and intentional.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-07-05-mn-2339-story.html
>As a result, she said, the agency issued a directive Wednesday, giving Boeing 767 owners and operators 10 days to install fuel-switch guards. She said the order is an interim step while engineers find an engineering solution to the problem.
There's no way to do this unless he wanted to kill everyone or he's incredibly incompetent.

>>510298392
>The RAT powers the hydraulics and computers if the power supply fails
so this thing comes out, starts to spin because of air flow, and makes emergency electricity?

>>510292281
The RAT deploys when the power from the engines isn't present. It should never deploy if the engines are running. It would imply some kind of equipment failure if it could be proven that it happened in that order.

>>510298836
>proven that it happened in that order.
Report has it deploying 5 seconds after the fuel was cut.

>>510298836
So that shifts it back to being a problem with the plane rather than the pilots.

>>510299127
No because the RAT turned on after the fuel lines got cut.

>>510299057
If true that would be normal operation and OP, as usual, would be a faggot.

>>510297829
no sensor / alarm for that? i don't know aiplanes, i admit. perhaps a fire can go unnoticed by sensors. then there's no way around the manual switch. when leaving an airport though, fuelled up, a couple of meters over ground, a fire that leads to cutoff, would still mean the end of thrust and probably of the airplane. suicidal cutoff should not be possible at that altitude without at least a confirmation request about the high probability of exitus, resulting from that action.

>>510299406
>no sensor / alarm for that
Of course there is, that's what tells the pilot to cut the line
>Why's it not automatic
Because the engine is on fire and has the potential to destroy it. So manual is safer.

>>510298205
i remember. in germany, pilot used to be an lower upperclass occupation. few others could afford the cost of training and certificates. i guess the current situation is part of their 'healing the world'. great stuff. soon, nobody will want to fly public transport.

>>510296472
I'd crash the plane. It'd basically ensure I'd get a higher rebirth for all the good karma I'd acquire

>>510299604
i meant, the according alarm should be a prerequisite for the switch to be 'allowed', if that makes sense. as could be other alarms that would possibly require this. no alarm + not high enough to restart = no cutoff possible.

>>510299406
>no sensor / alarm for that?
It doesn't matter, the pilot needs to have the authority to cut fuel, because sensors can malfunction and what-not.
You just need to make sure the pilot (and the plane) are fit to wield that authority...

>>510300183
You might as well just use passenger drone planes, with what you're going at.

>Skin in the game
is the first reason, the second is, most passengers want a *human* to decide.

I know I do.
>t. embedded engineer

>>510300183
i dont think he's getting you but i dont think these take that into consideration since the fuel shut off being a catastrophic failure is specific to take off honestly, this was very convenient timing, but also the cutoff is a two step process, you have to do it purposefully.

>>510300413
i see. still somewhat safe to fly swissair, i hope.

>>510300183
Also, the notorious 737-Max MCAS-failure could be attributed to the "blinder Aktionismus" you're displaying, except you're arguably more noble in your intent of wanting to help save lives than jerry-rigging a fix to accomodate a bigger engine in that regard.

But that's the issue: You offload too much sensors, it'll bite you in the ass somewhere else.
There's no escaping the "get it together" part as a human.
Offload too much to technology, become more dumb in the process, back to square one.

>>510300454
yes, that last bit makes it particularly scary. how could he have done this by coincidence. how can any psycho still be allowed to live among us.

>>510292144 (OP)
Damn boys which one is it?
> Boeing merchants Pays off Corrupt Pajeets to cover up another failure due to Jewish money hunger and outsourcing quality
> Incompetent Pajeet does what he does

I think Occam's razor was defeated by the merchants worship of mammon.

>>510301666
This post earned these numbers.

>>510300800
On average, it seems all within normal "parameters."

The 737-Max is the last case of (known) manufacturer error, and that caused two crashes back-to-back, which made it undeniable it had something to do with the plane...

The Dreamliner has been in operation for longer and has a proven flight record.

Back in the ...70s? 80s? the DC-10 had a string of accidents:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-085TjhUPo
Ergo: Manufacturer denial is nothing new.

Fun Fact: McDonnel-Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money; it wouldn't be wrong to say Boeing is now technically a zombie and the corporate ghost of McDonnel-Douglas is pulling the strings...

...but that was 40? years ago.

I don't work in the aviation industry, but I like all engineering things.

>>510292144 (OP)
at this stage I just dont know, I fully trust that glowies and corporations are willing to bloodsuck the people out of everything, including their own sanity

>>510292281
>RATs
its the jews