Pokrovsk is the last real hinge point before the Kramatorsk-Sloviansk defense belt gets operationally flanked. That line isn’t just a few trenches, it’s Ukraine’s eastern Maginot—years of fortification, supply caching, and layered kill zones. But all that turns into a death trap if the RF pushes west and starts wrapping the flanks with mobility fires.

Ukrainian forces would have to either:

> a) pull back under fire to avoid encirclement, or
> b) stay put and risk getting kettled in a cauldron op.

From there? Russia’s got two options:

> 1. Drive northwest, collapse the Sloviansk-Kramatorsk line via rear interdiction, hit command/control nodes, logistics depots, and air defense nests.

> 2. Pivot west, push toward the Dnipro river, seize key junctions, and split the country along its operational axis. That would be a classic corps-level offensive: isolate the eastern Ukrainian forces, cut off Western resupply corridors, and create the political conditions for forced concessions.

>>510319031 (OP)
The fuck is prokorva

I remember when Bakhmut was the last real hinge point before something, and after it fell big stuff would happen. 2 years later ziggers are still meatgrinding the suburb 4 miles to the West. Just like they've been meatgrinding Pokrovsk for a week shy of a year now lmao.

Didn't Trump say that this monday he was going to rape Russia harder than he raped those gentile kids with Epstein?

>>510319168
How safe is it to assume that a Jew who doesn't speak Russian is brown?

First it was Bakhmut as the last defence belt, then Avdiivka.

Ukraine will just build another defence line. Do you think there is no defence work built between Pokrovsk and Dnipro?? Russia moves so slowly they will have time to build new defences even if they have built little right now.

>>510319182
Yup. Ukraine gets farther and farther away from Crimea every day.

>>510319182
Before Bakhmut there was Advvika or something like that which Russian posters claimed was "most fortified position on Earth". This propaganda on both sides starts to stink like COVID lies and I am guessing is just used to meat grind white men of fighting age.

>>510319471
No Kherson?
>>510319494
Avdiivka was heavily fortified and Girkin did many doomposts about all the ziggers that died meatgrinding it for over 2 years.

>>510319031 (OP)
>isolate the eastern Ukrainian forces, cut off Western resupply corridors,
Could have done this in 2022 by blowing up bridges over Dnepr

Over soon

>>510319031 (OP)
Let me know when the battle of stinky starts

Crimea status sisters?! Did ukratrannyiv take it back after 11 years?

>>510319182
So, what you're saying is that Russia is winning too slowly?

>>510319893
Just like the USSR and USA won too slowly in Afghanistan or the USA won too slowly in Vietnam

>>510319893
Yes. What is Russia gaining by sacrificing so many men and so much equipment?

>>510319319

>>510319893
Yes, just like Germany was in ww1.

>>510319031 (OP)
they should do both while continuing to pressure Sumy, Kharkov and Zaporizhzhia.

Ukraine is cooked

>>510319031 (OP)
>>510320005
>What is Russia gaining
uhh...a good portion of new and resource rich land?
> sacrificing so many men and so much equipment
their new besties is footing that bill

https://xcancel.com/zerohedge/status/1944156096819613763

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5GRao88HSA

>>510320404
Just attack everywhere at once bros! Don't concentrate your forces at a weakpoint to force a breakthrough that can be rapidly exploited, just meatgrind everywhere!
>Sun Tzu

>>510319494
>"most fortified position on Earth"

it objectively was, and the frontline moved near 20 miles west of it in a year (which was also heavily fortified)

it objectively was the strongest point in the defense of Donbass short of Kramatorsk itself

>>510319781
uhh ohh stinkies
dilation time

>>510319168
How the fuck do you not know about your actual homeland?

>>510319454
>ukraine will just build another line
You are surely aware that fortifications built up over 11 years are stronger than those built up over six months, right? You are also surely aware that urban defenses are superior to trench Lin’s in farmers fields, right? Finally you are aware that behind pokeovsk there is no major urban area until the banks of the sniper river, right?

Also bahkmut destroyed the AFUs 2023 counteroffensive in the crib. Imagine 500k additional troops available for the push. They might actually have been able to complete their objectives instead of sending soldiers to survive less than four hours in Bahkmut.

>>510319494
You got that backwards in terms of proper battles.

>>510320897
Do you think Ukrainians were building some Maginot line in front of the Kramatorsk line those 11 years? May I see it?

>>510320005
Well, the war's not over yet, but so far a land bridge to Crimea, several new oblasts plus their natural resources plus their populations in the millions, the removal and demilitarization of a hostile proxy state on their border, the prestige of demonstrating the impotence of NATO as a military organization, their place in the world as a superpower, the most combat experienced military on the planet (the AFU being the 2nd), and an unlimited supply of butthurt.

>>510320897
>Finally you are aware that behind pokeovsk there is no major urban area until the banks of the sniper river, right?
Anyone right now can check a map and see that you are a mong.
Stop watching military summary. It's clearly putting you in phycosis

>>510319031 (OP)
Stinky status?

>>510319985
>>510320355
If you think the Russians aren't winning, why not just say so straightforwardly instead of whatever passive aggressive thing you're doing?

>>510321600
They're not winning. :)

>>510321600
its just weird that winning looks so much like losing. I guess its like ww1 winning, instead of more popular kinds of winning

>>510319031 (OP)
Two more weeks, I predict this continues for 7 more years ending at borders slightly west of Donbass.

>>510319182
Bakhmut did fuck up Ukraine for other reasons, the resources thrown at that shithole caused a total botching of the Ukrainian 2023 offensives.

>>510322257
Nah, defense is just massively op in contemporary warfare because of drones.

>>510319031 (OP)
so what you're telling me is 2 more weeks?

>>510321086
none of that exists online in the /k/ope sphere Moscow will fall in 2 weeks sweaty.

>>510322343
True, but the Russian general staff was given time to do reforms with Bakhmut diverting Ukrainian brigades, an earlier strike toward Melitopol might of actually done more damage. Ukraine since then has lost the initiative.

>>510322257
so when can we expect the gains from taking bahkmut to be realized? So many of your country men died for it, it had to be for something right?

>>510321664
I don't believe you! I think it's the passive aggressive smiley face you're trying to mask your butthurt with
>>510322092
Are you drawing on Finland's experience in losing wars to Russia in order to come to this conclusion?

>>510319031 (OP)
A three day excursion.

>>510322552
Initiative isn't a real thing in war as far as I'm concerned. It's a superficiality that may or may not reflect deeper realities.
>>510322759
You're the one who is angry instead of arguing so it worked didn't it? :)

>>510319031 (OP)
THIS AVSOLUTELY HUGE NEWS
if the fortifications at smeznokov fail then the whole kirvikyi line will follow and then that opens up a while new front on the smagdononov line, we are just weeks away from Ukraine having to retreat from the stagnokiv and petrakiv just so they can stop the russians pouring in through the jewzikiv-magnostivnocok gap
2 more weeks

>>510322869
kek

>>510322835
Good thing nobody cares about the concerns of obese keyboard mashers lil bro

>>510319202
two more rapes!
>>510319592
>Girkin did many doomposts about all the ziggers that died meatgrinding it for over 2 years.
What happened to Girk? Is he still in Gulag?

>>510319168
It’s pronounced pot-roast and it is delicious when you use pork loin

manpower battle so russia will go for encirclement

>>510323076
If that was true, shillfarms wouldn't exist to begin with.
>>510323100
>What happened to Girk? Is he still in Gulag?
Yeah. He committed the gravest sin a Russian can commit: telling the truth. He will get Epstein'd soon I'd imagine.

>>510321549
Stinky Holds!!!

>>510319182
the next thing after bahkmut was the ukrainian counteroffensive

>>510323495
No it was Chasiv Yar. Those two happened at the same time.

>>510319031 (OP)
how much distance is that from a year ago?

>>510323322
Democracy is safe

>>510319182
Yet they keep taking city after city

>>510322869
fucking kek

>>510319031 (OP)
HOW MANY METERS?
something tells me that they are either going to fight forever or just running out of those who's willing to fight; expect something big soon

>>510323704
>city
lol, yeah okay

>>510324791
Yes

>>510321059
Maggot line? No. Heavily fortified bunkers under steel reinforced concrete buildings? Yes. Precisely. Which are clearly superior to a ditch in a field.

>>510321468
Oh? Which one dingus? Right, you don’t have one which is why you didn’t just state it.

>>510324862
lol, yeah okay

>>510324924
Cope

>>510325015
Why does this cause such emotions in you fellow American?

>>510319031 (OP)
Looks awful for Ukraine

>>510325136
Cope

>>510319182
Bahkmut literally saved the Russian army and bought them precious time to recover from the 2022 Disaster. It had an added benefit of using up a ton convicts.

You can mock bakhmut all you want. But the Ukrainian focus on it was a huge mistake, because it was a trick to focus on a pointless meatgrinder. It could of and should of been pushing elsewhere.

>SOON, WILL
>SECOND ARMY OF WORLD
>KYIV IN 3 DAYS

or
c) Ukraine just pulls back another 5km and we get to watch rusniggers kill themselves in fields of barbed wire for another year.

This war is fake and gay, and Russians should just go home already. They're speed running what took us 80 years to do by importing 3 million Chinamen and Pajeets a year to replace their killed off or fled workforce.

>>510319031 (OP)
Wake me up when the line actually moves a considerable amount rather than Russia pushing 30km a year and taking a dozen 50-100k pop cities.

>>510322869
lmao 2mw indeed

>>510325616
50-100k is considerable. Russia is taking 5k villages.

>>510325332
>could of, should of
opinion discarded

>>510322257
Listening to and following NATO tactics made their counteroffensive fail. Also talking so much ahead of it and having intel leak everywhere wasn't great either, Russians had a massive defensive line before it began. Going in large columns of tanks and armored vehicles at a singular point was retarded, NATO generals were absolute idiots whose tactics lost Ukraine around 20% of the vehicles given in just 3 days.

>>510325270
No u
>>510325332
>Bahkmut literally saved the Russian army
By causing the Wagner rebellion?

It’s crazy how crawling through one secret tunnel into avdivka caused that huge leap. Not sure what other lucky shit Russians can pull out of their ass. I’m sensing the oleksandrovsk brewing a tard rush.

>>510319031 (OP)
OH WOW YOU DREW BIG ARROWS. 4 MOAR YEARS, LOL

>>510323624
2 inches

You niggers have said this so many times I don't even bother to check these days.
I just read the odd estonian report every few months and check the map.

>>510322673
probably only a double digit amount of americans died there you stupid nigger

>>510325861
No. By forcing Ukraine to focus on a meaningless city. What value did it have? It was a modern day Verdun. The russian army was devestated and Wagner bought them time

There was only 4,000 troops between them and belogrod at the time

>>510320355
Yes, just like Germany was in WWII.

>>510325419
you get unlimited shit from the first army of the world and all of its puppets

>>510326089
>By forcing Ukraine to focus on a meaningless city. What value did it have?
Yeah, that's why it was so important for Russia to meatgrind it to death. Big win for them.
>>510326097
No

>>510320897
it takes 11 years to build defenses? can you go into specifics? like, what are they building exactly that can be enhanced over 11 years? gold razor wires? trenches with minibars? while I'm skeptic, I'm not saying it's not true, I just want to understand it better.

>>510319031 (OP)
2 more weeks trust da plan comrades. now get in the lada and charge the ukrainian trenches URAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA or chechen blocking troops sodomize your ass

>>510326160
Russia didnt meatgrind anything. It sent prisoners, while Ukraine sent soldiers. The russian army just sat back and shot 400,000 shells

>>510326160
Yes, kike.

>>510321086
>the prestige of demonstrating the impotence of NATO as a military organization

NATO haven’t turned up yet. A million Russian casualties, the Russian fleet removed from the Black Sea, 90%+ depletion of stored Russian military vehicles all are just from fighting the “proxy state” as you call it.
Not a single Eurofighter, not a single Gripen, not a single Rafale has yet gone to war in Ukraine. Not a single NATO battleship or aircraft carrier. Not a single division of NATO troops have been present on the battlefield.

>>510326274
They meatgrind everything. It's what caused the Wagner rebellion.
>>510326376
No

Ziggers want that Porkroast so bad, they can taste it

>>510326161
there is a way of building concrete trenches which makes them impervious to shelling/explosions but it takes time. russia started hitting cement plants when ukraine started this line >>510322759

as ive said before (for my glowie file) the war was over when bakhmut fell quite apart from the ridiculous casualties and counteroffensives which prove zelenskys job as a jew is just to kill off the white ukrainian population, maybe for neokhazaria or whatever

also if putin lets them build more CONCRETE lines (anything else doesnt count really) it proves hes controlled chabad opposition and his job is to kill off white russians and import muds

otherwise for those of us paying attention its basically over once pokrovsk falls or kramatorsk at the latest which however can be flanked from pokrovsk, and once russia reaches the dnieper and starts to siege dniepropovsk and zapo city ukraine ceases to function and will surrender

>>510326698
The was literally wagners purpose they were useful idiots

Ukraine should of been invading into Belgorod and Kursk then. Not bothering with Bakhmut. But politics, Biden told them they couldn't

>>510326664
thousands of decommissioned idiot/tricked nato soldiers have been killed, nato and even usa itself has largely been demilitarized, no source for 1 million russia casualties (real figure is maybe 250k im prepared to admit), ukraine is probably at a million DEAD by now however, try harder nafo shill, the russians are coming to kill your tranny ass lol

>>510325861
Cope

>>510326879
No wonder they rebelled then.

>>510321086
I genuinely can't wait for the day we start herding pajeets into death camps.

>>510326879
belgorod and kursk were traps laid by russia as the terrain starts to get hilly and forested, i.e. the one remaining bit of luhansk russia only just captured was impregnable because it was hilly

>>510326959
It has been a monumental disaster for the US empire. We need a massive change in leadership because these retards are going to bring us all down

>>510321086
>several new oblasts
lol
they only managed to capture all of Luhansk this year. Still missing half of Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson.

>three days

>>510319031 (OP)
This isn’t ww2 where maneuver warfare is happening. The Russians will eventually take Donbas but it will be years out because drones and artillery stop any concerted and concentrated attack thrust. It will just come down to numbers game.

>>510327101
its because the west is so wealthy they lost contact with reality and also whites are genetically predisposed to virtue signal especially women and betas because evolving in the cold meant being exiled from the village for being a bad person meant dying in winter so weak whites have to all say 'take your vaccine', 'russia bad', 'i stand with ukraine' and so on

>>510327274
the hohols are taking air defense soldiers off air defense and putting them on the front line now their air defense has run out. just wait a bit longer and the front line will collapse, it will be so glorious, will hopefully end NATO and EU too

>>510326852
This sounds too optimistic, but I hope you're right.

>>510327373
I remember when Russians used their rocket troops and kuznetsov carrier sailors for their infantry and people were laughing. Yes you can do other things in the military but if your needed at the front even the cook will have to fight. Again it’s years away I’m thinking by 2027 is when maneuvering warfare can begin.

>>510327065
Bullshit. in 2022 only a few border guards stood in the way of Ukraine capturing these cities. Instead everyone with 2 legs went to Bakhmut

>>510319031 (OP)
There's going to be a massive unexpected breakthrough that's going to make them pour in, isn't there?

>>510327373
It's because Russia aviation has gone away so they don't do much anymore.

>>510322092
>more popular kinds of winning

>>510328142
manned airforces are outdated, as the 500-700 drones hitting ukraine a day prove

>>510328597
>manned airforces are outdated
true
>>510328597
>as the 500-700 drones hitting ukraine a day prove
>hitting
lol. lmao

>>510319031 (OP)
russia advance and the west dilates

>>510327373
...why would it end the EU lmfao

>>510328681
>lose to goatfuckers in the Red Sea
> still talk shit
Lmao mutts gonna mutt

Gloves have finally come off. Its over.

>>510329483
no roo zhou

>>510328812
europeans will swing hard right to EU-exit/nationalist parties after realizing their EU leaders were lying to them about everything esp. russia

>>510326150
>unlimited shit
lol no
The DPRK gave to ziggers 12 million shells.

Nobody knows what in the fuck you fuckers talk about all day.

Who cares. Stop wasting my money.
No more brother wars.

>>510319031 (OP)
Nice Russia is finally wrapping up.

>>510319182
Two more Bakhmuts

>>510325861
lol the 1-day rebellion that ended in putin crushing all disloyal elements? you’re still trying to spin that as a win?

>>510330045
Lmao. That was good cope. Thank you for the laugh.

>>510327451
It's not about optimism, it's about shit taking forever. The additive to that notion is that time is what exploits weakness to the exact opposite. I bet if Azov wasn't fucking slaughtered they'd eventually stop being best-goyim but I wouldn't have any respect for them anyways so that's probably why they got sent to die to begin with.

>>510319168
The old home of many of your conationals before they were pogromed

>>510330092
It would be fun to be as delusional as you are

>>510319031 (OP)

>>510329604
"elections"

lmfao, okay delusional danny

>>510330502
I have so much fun, it's true.

I simply dont see a way for Russia to win now that America is going to give free gibs again and Europe is rearming
Russia gained like 0.8% of ukraine after march 2022, Ukraine took back like 15% of the country
Russia also takes several times more casulties because they are constantly on the offensive using worse and worse protection, they hardly use tanks and armoured vehicles now days, its just cheap civilian cars and motorbikes.

>>510329724

Best Korea outproducing the entire west, truly incredible, I wonder if based Kim plays Factorio.

>>510319031 (OP)
>just two more cauldrons bro
>bro I swear it's the big one I feel it this time!
how many hohols are there left, are ziggers not pulling the triggers or what?

>>510326852
Putin is forcing conscription on eastern non white tribes to get rid of them, Also he is taking muslims from south. There are barely any whites beside criminals that want to cut their sentence by fighting.

>>510319202

I can see east Ukraine being taken over by Belarus in any ceasefire agreement. Russia wants a buffer zone between themselves and Globohomo.

>>510319031 (OP)
Kramatorsk and Sloviansk were initial objective 3 years ago you retarded fucking nigger. This advance pace is absolutely glacial. Russia will not achieve any kind of breakthrough, they are mentally incapable of being competent, that's demonstrable at this point.

>>510319031 (OP)
Russians like you keep making complicated maps like this but they never advance or do anything. I'm still waiting for Russia to take Kiev. Putin can't do anything.

>>510325817
There is nothing wrong with NATO tactics. Ukraine doesn't have the equipment needed to use them. All NATO tactics assume the US Air Force controls the skies.

>>510319031 (OP)
Just carpet bomb everything and advance through a single point, not trying to advance one inch per day. Look at Gaza

>>510332037
your conclusion is just based on false assesments and bad analysis. First of all, percentage of land gained is not a useful metric given their military doctrine. You're judging it like they're trying to wage manoeuvre warfare a la Germany WW2, but they're not. They're waging attritional warfare and have adapted pretty well to it.
Next, you're assumption that "attacker takes more casualties" sounds like it's out of a video game. In reality it's not the case, often actually the opposite. Nazis took less relative casualties while conducting offensive operations, but took relatively higher casualties compared to the enemy when they were on the defensive. That assumption of yours only really holds up for direct assault operations, but completely disregard every other stage, especially the artillery. And given that Russia has several times more artillery, ammunition, as well as further weapon systems like FABs, it's not looking good for ukrainian casualty ratios. You can actually confidently make the case that Ukraine suffers more, but obviously there's no reliable data on either side.
You're also making false assumptions about things like motor bikes, even Ukraine started switching over to them partly, because they're actually useful and make sense. It reduces the value of each individual target (cheaper vehicle and only 1 soldier compared to multiple) and is a lot more mobile, which makes even hitting that "worse" target more difficult. It's actually something that contributes to LESS casualties and not more. An armoured vehicle doesn't even offer much more protection, since it just has to get disabled for you to be entirely screwed. You can bet your ass that another drone will come flying in to blow your whole crew up

>>510319168
>>510319168
>>510319168

>>510319202
>>510319202
>>510319202
DIDN'T TRUMP
INCREASE WEAPONS
TO UKRAINI??? UHH OHH ZOGBOTS

1,000,000 RUSSIANS
ARE GONE
FOR THIS... THE GOYIM FELL FOR IT AGIAN. KEK.

TOLD
YOU
S O O O O

TOLD YOU NO MORE BROTHER WARS
YOU DIDN'T LISTEN
NOW YOUR PEOPLE ARE DEAD... DURING A BIRTHRATE CRISIS. HIGH IQ MOVE RUSSIAN ELITES // PUTIN. SENILE KGB COLONEL.

>>510319031 (OP)
>[random shithole #453985] is the last real hinge point before the [cyk blyat] defense belt gets operationally flanked. That line isn’t just a few trenches, it’s Ukraine’s eastern Maginot—years of fortification, supply caching, and layered kill zones. But all that turns into a death trap if the RF pushes west and starts wrapping the flanks with mobility fires.
Holy shit, this is the most embarrassing military operation in the history of mankind.

>>510336328
>we're not waging ww2 style war
>we're doing it the ww1 way
Giga cope. I never doubted the inevitable defeat of Ukraine, but the rate of Russian success is so insanely low, it might really converge into fuck all.

>>510336559
Groyper mindset. It requires a fundamental misunderstanding of geopolitics.

>>510327768
AHAHAHAHAHA

mouse trap status?

>>510321086
Absolute delusion

>>510336328
> It's actually something that contributes to LESS casualties and not more
Funny because Russian losses jumped to all time high since they started to use bikes. Basically since summer 2024 every month is equal to hottest month fighting in Bakhmut

>>510319202
the more people lie about trump the less i care about epstein, in fact i’m completely over it at this point

>>510319031 (OP)
>get excited over another useless nothingburger to grind europeans to death, this time in [random ukrainian shithole village no one gives a fuck about]

>>510326274
>It sent prisoners, while Ukraine sent soldiers.
Prisoners who got payed more than normal soldiers and whom played an important part in the war.
By all accounts they were soldiers for Russia.

>>510337478
>were

>>510319031 (OP)
ive seen these posts for almost 4 years now. my guess is because trump now said he will commit to ukraine we will be seeing a lot of anti-trump on /pol/ and more garbage like this

>>510319168
its where porks go to die

>>510337216
>>510336328
Not just losses but specifically
1. Killed
2. MIA
3. Desertions

>>510337605
MIA went from 500 a month to 3000 or x6

>>510337732
Russia doesn't want to declare that because then they have to pay benefits.

>>510336841
don't be retarded, there's nobody who can properly conduct manoeuvre warfare against anyone more advanced that random goat herders. The speed of communication and abundance of FPV drones just makes it impossible to conduct the same sort of large scale operations you'd see in ww2. if anyone's coping here, it's you.
>>510337216
>according to literal whos on twitter
there's no reliable numbers to begin with, so what do you base it on? Even the arguably most "credible" source on russian losses (mediazona + BBC) is extremely non-transparent on it and equates a "trust me bro". Or if you use the Ukrainian defense ministry as source, which you probably do, Ukraine would be fighting against literal ghosts that throw artillery shells with their bare hands right now, if it were true. But somehow they are getting outnumbered more and more every month and keep losing ground and morale. Again, don't be retarded and actually use your head for once.

>>510337732
And killed. Every month after Russia started using bikes is now as high as Bakhmut(those four peaks before)
With 6 times more MIA and double desertion rates

>>510319202
Is supporting Ukraine a libfag or cuckservative position now? Hard to keep up, because if you don't read the news for 10 minutes, miggers will start calling you a tranny for yesterday's progressive opinions.

>>510337824
> Even the arguably most "credible" source on russian losses (mediazona + BBC) is extremely non-transparent on it and equates a "trust me bro".
They literally provide every single name, date of birth and from where information comes from, it’s literally can’t be more transparent you lying piece of shit

>>510337954
pro-White, as the anti-White coalition supports russia. id ont even like ukraine but i know if they lose it will mean white genocide as russia is committed to exterminating the White race and creating homosexual multiculturalism. putin even said hes proud of diversity and russia fights in its name

>>510337605
>Killed
Ukraine definitely has more. They have been in a disadvantageous situation for a long time, willingly engage in killboxes and are just outclassed in firepower.
>MIA
Ukrainian for "killed, but we don't want to pay out"
>Desertions
Half of Ukraine deserted the country. But even jokes aside, Russia has had 49.000 cases of desertion according to mediazona by June of this year, Ukraine had at least 90.000 cases according to the general prosecutors office by December of last year with Ukrainian estimates putting it more towards 200.000. You're just trying to warp data to mislead, but fuck you jewish shill. Nobody with a working brain will believe you that an army based on volunteers has more deserters than the losing side made out of people dragged off the streets.

>>510326852
Putin, Zelensky, and Trump are all Chabad. jews are focusing on hammering eastern Europe, because they have the largest populations of unmixed whites, and jews couldn't use typical capitalist methods of importing 3rd worlders to already quite poor potato field countries.

Poland and Czech are already getting GDP'd with poos, but the jew will still need wars there to clear out their 100% white rural populations, make no mistake about it.

>>510337869
I think Russia just amped up their efforts, to push over Ukraine while western support is crumbling. Absolute numbers aside, I don't doubt that their losses increased and this alone is another insane fact and prove of their incompetence.

>>510337824
The Russia from '22 would have sieged a '04 Fallujah for a year, lost 50k men and coped with the fact how IED's changed the battlefield forever and made maneuver warfare impossible.

>>510319031 (OP)
WHOA, I haven't seen delusional Zigger arrows since late 2022 and the master-plan to flank all of the Donbas.

>>510338100
until you actually click around and try for yourself. Took me like 20s to find a guy that had no picture or source, just a name with "own data". And that aside, the number they "advertise" with is not even their "confirmed" number but some imaginary formula. And the cherry on top is how they try to create a mosaic out of the photos of fallen soldiers. That's honestly just tasteless and yet another proof that the people responsible for the site and its target audience are subhumans

>>510338143
I'm pro white and support the Ukrainian people against this disastrous genocide. Zelensky and jewtin are both coordinating to meatgrinder young white men in perpetuity until the war reaches even your doorstep.

>>510319893
>So, what you're saying is that Russia is winning too slowly?
Winning too slowly caused them to lose in Syria, among other places. This isn't a two player game.

>>510338231
> Ukraine definitely has more.
77k vs 116k, despite “definitely has more” Russia has more evident. Also that 116k count doesn’t count LDPR losses that’s another 20-30k killed
> Ukrainian for "killed, but we don't want to pay out"
48000 missing in action on Russian side 7 month ago
> Russia has had 49.000 cases of desertion according to mediazona by June of this year, Ukraine had at least 90.000 cases according to the general prosecutors office by December of last year
Russia has 49000 PERSECUTED cases. As Mediazona pointed out if those 90000 you mentioned 75% cases get thrown out and only 25% get to conviction. Russia has more PERSECUTED cases than Ukraine

>>510336714
>>510338419
>nafo trannies desperation gore spamming again
Yet you're still all too big of faggots to actually go there

>>510319031 (OP)
>if the RF pushes west and starts wrapping the flanks with mobility fires.
Fucking Russians have been grinding them to paste for 2 fucking years already, nothing is showing me they can successfully transition into maneuver warfare or even form a functional cauldron overwhelming anything other than the shitty conscripts Ukraine leaves behind.
I thought the great Zhukov-like masterplan was to just bombard the fuck out of Ukraine until they were all dead, so what the fuck does outflanking them matter?
Face it, Russian leadership oversold Putin on this war and now they're too afraid to lose too much to do anything to quickly end this war. They should have fucking levelled Kiev by this point and counter-attacked and broken through.

>>510338818
>I thought the great Zhukov-like masterplan
Considering Zhukov troops suffered x2-x4 German casualties every fight then yeah, it is Zhukov like master plan but without American help

>>510338491
> the number they "advertise" with is not even their "confirmed" number but some imaginary formula.
What’s the point of blatantly lying? 116k is number of people they confirmed by name that died, including those confirmed by images given by Mediazona subscribers, from graveyards, where people rarely have images on tombstones. It would be easier to confirm dead if Russia didn’t fight tooth and nail to hide every trace of the dead. Hell, they even cancelled “eternal regiment” celebrations every year since war started because they are afraid how many dead will become public.
Russia is doing everything possible to make sure none knows who died in this war and yet they have 40k more dead than Ukraine, how does it make you feel?

>>510320005
When has Russia ever cared about losses in order to win?

>>510319031 (OP)

ive been waiting on this for MONTHS and i thought it wouldve happened by now but NO - the russians are jerking their dicks off this whole time going so fucking slow.

>>510338100
>>510338491

The BBC is state media. Nothing but propaganda for NPCs.

>>510319031 (OP)
>—
AI post

>>510320475
The average russkie peasant doesn't see any money from those lands or resources. Only putin and his friends get that profit.

>>510326959
Russia is bleeding natos weapons supplies in the lead up to Taiwan invasion I think.

>>510328681
Those are Ukraine's numbers for drones. Naturally, they shoot them all down but still.

>>510336328
>You're judging it like they're trying to wage manoeuvre warfare a la Germany WW2, but they're not.
>Nazis took less relative casualties while conducting offensive operations,
Probably because they moved fast enough to overrun the enemy when the broke through, which is not the case here.

>>510341303
maybe and if they cant do russia how are they gonna break apart china lol. rus-china need to build up invulnerable eurasian trade roads asap

>>510338671
u mean prosecuted

>>510334346
good

>>510338247
they will draft poland and baltics next, then maybe canada/youto show nato is still north atlantic

>>510319031 (OP)
GIGA HAPPENING RUSSIANS ADVANCED 2KM!! HOHOL FRONTLINE IS COLLAPSING!!
TWO MORE WEEKS FOR KIEV!!

>>510341303
> Russia is bleeding natos weapons supplies
By making sure production of all NATO weapons ramped up before Taiwan invasion

>>510341685
You have a point but that's all being fed to Ukraine.

>>510319031 (OP)
>But that isn't just X, it's y.
>--
Ai post

100+ posts left, any theories on what trump will say about russia tonight?

>>510341685
Did you forget about Israel? Did you forget about Houthis? They just need to open another front that directly hurts NATO, and they are completely fucked.
My guess is that west will try to do the pre-emptive strike through Uyghurs to make China focus on that rather than Taiwan.

https://youtu.be/8DRzaZiI8_Q

>>510341846
it's easy to tell your lineage will be eliminated from the gene pool

it's over

>>510319031 (OP)
We have been here before multiple times.

Here's what's going on happen:
-Russia will not be able to cut supplies from the city
-Russia will give up and storm the city head on

-Russia not be able to sieze the city

-Ziggers will get massacred in urban warfare

-We will still be talking about "Pokrovsk is about to fall" in 2 years time

>>510344199
You're mentally ill

>>510320519
Just like the counter oink in 2023?

>>510325616
Its been 3000sqkm in 8 months

>>510341685
By 2030 lmao? The us will eat itself alive with 12 months

>>510344199
FUCK YOU ZHILLS!!! FUCK YOU LAKHTA FSB JEETS!!! COMMIE SHITSKINS DONT KNOW THAT UKRAINE SUBJUGATED CRIMEA AND KURSK BOTH!!!

>>510319031 (OP)
>Pokrovsk is the last real hinge point before the Kramatorsk-Sloviansk
This war is embarrassingly boring and full of nothingburgers.

>>510344368
>>510344669
Cope
Russia hasn't been able to take any mildly significant settlement for over a year, and there simply hasn't been a single noteworthy battlefield or strategic alteration of the situation ever since.

Frozen conflict along current lines by early 2026.

>>510319031 (OP)
I remember when ACKmut was supposed to be a happening.
>If Bakhmut falls, the whole Ukrainian front line will collapse!
It didn't and it won't.

>>510319031 (OP)
Its been ‘HAPPENING’ at Pokrovsk for the past year
Just two more weeks right?

>>510336328
>w-we didnt want to win quickly anyway

>>510319168
Pro korva means pro whores in my language
And also
Why the fuck are all cities and strategic points end up in orsk?
Niggerosk? When are they gonna capture cunnytorsk? What are they doing in shitensky?
Why are russians like this?

>>510319031 (OP)
this is completely true
also in 2 weeks the real russian army will arrive and then everything will be known

>>510319031 (OP)
you're giving russia too much credit.
if russia wasnt retarded they wouldnt be advancing 100m a day 3 years into the war, they would've won in march 2022.
they're still within walking distance from the 2022 border, it will take them decades to reach their objectives.

>>510340974
russia has bankrupted itself once before to finance a war that was impossible to win (and which caused the humiliation of the dissolution of the USSR), they may not care about men dying but they cant run a war economy forever, unlike ukraine that will be propped up by the EU virtually forever

>>510321086
>the most combat experience
and what does that experience buy you? Does Russia now know how to protect armor from walmart toys? No, of course not — these desperate designs continue to evolve (slowly).

Can Russia infantry effectively defend themselves against FPV walmart toys? No, they rely on shotguns and fucking tarps.

tldr; experience means nothing to Russians. They throw bodies into the fire; what little experience they gained is quickly extinguished. Not much has changed since Stalingrad

>>510319031 (OP)
I'm tired of hearing these russian names like pokrovsk everywhere. There's something about that language that I really dislike.

>>510319031 (OP)
Once they've taken Slovianks and Kramatorsk they've essentially achieved their territorial objectives. There's no ceasefire or peace deal until that happens desu.

>>510319494
>I am guessing is just used to meat grind white men of fighting age.
took you 11 years to realize

>>510329744
>No more brother wars.
One side is ruled by Russians and the other side is ruled by American and Ukrainian Jews who hate Russians

>>510348310
>3+ years of war
>unspeakable losses
>economy devastated
>barred from trading with the EU or US
>1m russians removed from workforce (either dead or handicapped) and replaced with indians
>sweden+finland joining NATO
>EU rearming
>conquered land reduced to useless rubble from chemicals and unexploded ordnance scattered everywhere
>all this for 25% of ukraine
>the war isn't even over yet

>>510348615
They want the 4 oblasts and those two cities are basically that last they need. They're never getting the rest of Kherson across the river though lol, it wouldn't even make sense to try because they wouldn't be able to hold it.

>>510348615
Brave & powerful statements sister but are you brave enough to join Foreign Ukrainian Legion?

>>510332037
At least you won the propaganda war.

>>510321600
Both sides are losing

>>510319031 (OP)
>DA CAULDRON IS CLOSING IN THIS IS IT THE GLOVES ARE OFF
Here's a tip for you shit for brains monkey.
When the enemy advance is literally slower than a snail getting flanked doesn't matter as much you have enough time to build an entire fucking castle.

>>510348723
They should do it though, it's now or never

>Kramatorsk-Sloviansk
Finally, after 3 years, 1 million casualties and countless months long battles for dumbass™ villages in the middle of nowhere, they have came 30% closer to capturing them.

>>510348723
>two cities are basically that last they need
You mean the two piles of rubble the Rusniggers basically obliterated? Small cities in Eastern Ukraine were already places full of poverty and misery you get nothing by annexing them intact, but as complete piles of rubble it's even funnier.
It's actually hilarious if they stop the war there and declare some sort of victory from this whole disaster of an operation.

>>510321600
Go to the front and ask either side who's winning. You'll get a similar response.

>>510349123
Kramatorsk and Slovyansk have not been obliterated.
>It's actually hilarious if they stop the war there
Why is that funny? It's the minimal conditions for Russian victory according to their own stated objectives

Will Ukraine deserters be punished for their crimes if they return home, same as Russians?

I actually met two Russian guys in Montenegro and they said they left when the war started and all other Russians hate them. Montengro is one of the few countries they don't need a visa for

>>510349213
>Kramatorsk and Slovyansk have not been obliterated
They will be, just like Bakhmut. They can't take a city without blowing it up.
>according to their own stated objectives
Their objectives were to trash their economy, get hundreds of thousands of casualties, lose most of their Soviet stockpiles in ammo and vehicles to get some cities that look like Gaza?
So much winning Rusister!

>>510349347
It's like talking to a redditor who has no capacity to consider opposing viewpoints. You're just repeating mantras that you were inculcated with. I find it tragic when I see posts from people like you.

>>510349419
I literally just told you what happened you shit for brains vatnik retard.
In what mouth breathing parallel universe do you live where Russia got a good tradeoff from this disaster of a special military operation? Absolute embarrassment COPE

>>510327114
Its just lines on a map you retarded faggot

>>510348723
they will take odessa. they can take it all incl. western ukraine if they want, but they dont, once every ukrainian and mercenary is dead durrr

>>510349607
except its not because the west has put everything into stopping them advancing yet they still do, so nothing can stop them.

>>510349213
The goal was to conquer Ukraine, demilitarise, denazify, that was all propaganda
The operation failed and now all your left with is Putin’ sunk cost fallacy failure of a war

>>510340974
My grandparents were alive when russian losses became too much and the army mutinied which lead to the tsaar being killed and country collapsing. Not that long ago in other words. Also laughing at OP trying to pull the Grand Fortress Citadel posting for the third time in this war.

>>510349123
I could be wrong but I don't think those cities have had any full scale fighting the entire war.
>>510349703
They're not taking anything across the river, they clearly dont have the capacity to hold it. They'll end up with Luhansk, Donetsk, most of Zaporhizia or however you spell it, and half of Kherson.

>>510349927
once they reach the river they can start spitting out little raiding parties along its whole length and destroy ukraines economy of which the dnieper is its internal highway, look at a map ffs

>>510349522
Why do you have to flip out, act insulting, be deranged, and swear so much when confronted with someone who disagrees? Where's your self-control? Why act so emotional? Do you think if you're insulting that I will change my mind?

>>510349759
That's their goal according to the West, not according to Russia themselves. You can pretend otherwise, but the West doesn't actually have a good track record when it comes to telling the truth, just because they say something doesn't make it true.

>>510350171
No that was their goal based on basic observation skills, their failed convoy to Kiev, their failed deep airport attacks, their lack of preparedness when things didnt go instantly go their way

>>510350351
If you had basic observation skills, you would be able to observe what they said.

>>510319182
It all boils down to weird olympic games of coping.

The Ukro gameplan is:
>As long Russia does not take the next thing, it can not advance anywhere
>Russia will never take it
>Russia is bleeding to death trying to take it
>We lost half of it, but Russia lost all offensive potential
>We withdrew but it's okay, the thing never mattered
>As long Russia does not take the next thing, it can not advance anywhere

The Russian gameplan is:
>Once we take the next thing, the whole front will collapse. Trust the plan Z.
>We will take it in 2 weeks
>We will take it in 2 months, I mean 14
>We took a hamlet of pre-war pop 17
>Once we take the next thing, the whole front will collapse. Trust the plan Z.

Melitopol, Soledar, Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, Izyum (recapped iirc), Bakhmut, Avdiivka and so many more went exactly like this.

The truth is simple and brutal. On a modern battlefield, saturated by drones trenches, things move incredibly slow. Russia for now has the superior will and/or slave mentality to grind forward, and as long as that's the case, Ukraine will slowly be losing ground.

>>510319031 (OP)
kramatorsk-sloviansk is a sepearate operation and is being encircled independently of pokrovsk. pokrovsk, konstantynivka, kramatorks-sloviansk and kupiansk are likely too fall this year.

>>510350548
It's so fucking boring
Russgroids spent the better part of a year bashing their heads against a wall trying to take some nowhere shithole town, act like it's a massive victory over NATO and that it's over for Ukraine this time etc etc.

Then they come up against the next town like 2km down the road and repeat the same thing.

>>510319031 (OP)
When you use this map how do they know literally every single tiny little defensive line or trench? It seems like something that shouldnt be allowed by either side.

>>510350548
You forgot how Ukraine side keeps changing how they refer to those places, from megastructure capital to unimportant hamlet

>>510319031 (OP)
>after we capture this village the frontline will surely collapse
11 more years.

>>510319454
Russia has golf buggy blitzkrieg

>>510350814
I miss the earlier days of the war for cynical entertainment reasons. Every day you had new kino.
Now it's all just slow attritional nightmare shit. I miss the mig taking off during shelling, HIMARS fireworks, the tank webm, dark souls rolling and so on.
Both sides are incredibly obnoxious. Russians are smug monsters who are constantly just 2 weeks away from winning, Ukros are whiny cunts who never lose anything of value.

>>510334669
Feds like you keep making complicated excuses to cope for the fact that your war effort is failing and you have almost no domestic support for it to continue.

>>510349522
>+8m new Russians from freed territories
>+thousands of sqkm of fertile, resource-rich land
>nafo depleted and subjugated

>>510348723
they want the entirety of ukraine because as long as it exists as an independent entity it can join NATO and the EU once the war is over, and at this rate it simply isn't going to happen before russia goes bankrupt.
claiming anything else is cope, they may settle for the regions they claimed but if the war ends and russia isn't in control of ukraine it's just a matter of time before NATO troops get stationed there right on their border.

>>510348813
careful now or you might get deported back to pussia and conscripted to become FPV fodder

>>510351886
Sorry pidorenko cypriotovich but Russia isn’t the one running vans full of draft gangs lmao

>>510351078
Sums it up.

>>510351960
zister gosuslugi auto-confirms that you received your povestka for srochnaya sluzhba now

>>510319031 (OP)
u lost zigger

>>510351960
how many of your friends ended up obliterated on camera for our amusement?
did you hide in an attic from the conscription officers like anne frank?

>>510352064
Sorry, Slavic sister, but we are fine.

>>510351497
Fertilised with burnt wrecks, munitions, optical fibres, burnt plastic

>>510352201
None of thats ruins the minerals and natural gas deposits underneath, which is the real reason for this war but /pol/ is too compromised with intelligence assets from both sides to discuss it.

>>510352085
How many of your friends ended up getting in the busik, pidorenko svinovich? Not many if you’re the one drafting lol. When they run out of 60+ people to offer contract to, their shills will be in the next fodder, remember that and work hard hahaha

>>510352064
>be me
>ukrainian draft officer
>taze and pepper spray “volunteering ukrainain warriors” to fight
>this is still not enough and doesn’t meet the winning ukrainian army quota
>…
>get DRAFTED yourself
>AAAAAAAACK!
Wow! As a Russian I’m scared thinking of this. Good to know we’re not like these Ukrainian retards

>>510352304
>hohols will run out of manpower in two weeks!
*yawn* I've been hearing this shit ever since bakhmut

>>510352304
>didnt answer
lmao all your friends are burning in hell now aren't they.
and while you and your poor friends die in a ditch in ukraine all the rich russians move here to enjoy the good life care free away from your shithole.
send us a postcard from the frontline before you get vaporized.

>>510352304
Imagine being proud of having your countrymen killled and replaced by Indians so some oligarch can have another mine to profit from. Russians truly are a cattle, one would assume after 25 million killed in last century alone would teach them a lesson but here we are..

>>510350898
Both sides do that though. It's a quantum operational space. Every group of buildings is both an impenetrable superfortress and completely worthless, depending on observer.

>>510319168
Guaranteed no jews since 23 Feb 2022.

>>510352755
Anon, 25 million dead the last time around only reinforced their slave cattle mentality.
That mentality really isn't hard to understand when you realise that russians have spent literally their entire existence being bred into the perfect race of obedient slave cattle

>>510351886
>careful now or you might get deported back to pussia and conscripted to become FPV fodder
So that thing is shilling for Russia after all.
Nice 4D chess play, you make some completely retarded projections to make oinkers look worse. Nice job FSB but you don't have to.

>>510352751
>w-war has af-affected you fagruzzian!! burn in hell!!! get demoralised plisi!!!
*yawn* nothing new. I’ll draw you a comparison in lieu of your impotent hysterics
>Ukraine sends 650 drones to Moscow
>a single drone hits the parking lot and wounds some hobo
>Russia sends 150 Gerans to Kiev
>AAAAAHHH GWEEEEEHHHH GWEEEEEEHHHH 370/370 ELIMINATED BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF EXPLOSIONS
>GWEEEEEEH GWEEEEH PATRIOT SAVE US!!!
Oink for me piggy. Oink oink

It's over.
Those arrows are way too big for NATO to handle.
BRICS super powers won!

>>510352755
>indians
Weren’t those norks or some other gooks? Last I read Ukrainian news three battalions of norks were enough to dismember the whole Ukrainian Kursk force. What gives

>>510352886
>obedient slave cattle
so... did your mother fucked some nato niggers yet, or is your duty? The most obedient people left on earth are US circumcised mutts and Westoid lefties (which are the majority)

>>510352751
40k
>>510352755
checked

>>510319031 (OP)
Two more weeks

Such a waste of lives.

>>510353028
>becoming FPV fodder for pussia is FSB propaganda
i guess when you're born in a shithole like pussia it really is a preferrable alternative to everyday life there

>>510353164
Why did you mention niggers unprompted?


Got something to share anon?

>>510319031 (OP)
>russia is still stuck at bahmut
>day 1300 of the special military disaster
XD

>>510353072
>n-no i w-will not get drafted!
>i will keep p-posting on /pol/ about how russia is winning!
your turn is coming zigger

>>510325419
My only gripe with this war is that once in a while innocent Romanians in Herta and Cernauti and innocent Hungarians in Transcarpatia get bombed by russians

>>510353619
You can go back and fight for your nation Oleg. Show 'em russians how fierce you Ukrainians are!
>>510353352
Well, cyprus is Russian island so it was safe to assume that you work for Russians.
It kind of works, you make oinkers look worse but is it really worth it, I don't know.

>>510354121
oleg to cie zrobil pajacu.
rosjanie to kurwy takie same jak twoja stara.

>>510352293
Thats great news, Russia was famously lacking in minerals and gas

>>510353619
Your statement is absolutely valid with the condition that Ukrainian lives are disposable trash and mean nothing and the Russian rate of advancement means everything. Otherwise it can be spun the other way round because NATO didn't achieve its objective in the same time frame either.

>>510354547
>russian lives are disposable trash, 9000 trillion dead russians to capture bakhmut
>4 years later
>still stuck at bahkmut
>its ok russian lives are worthless

you are probably not even russian, just a well poisoning jew.

here, lets try this:

denounce the talmud and the torah, like this, me first:

i denounce the talmud and the torah.

post this sentence above, dont modify it.

>>510351497
Lmao

>>510352064
De unde pula mea cunosti tu expression d-astea mai pula

>>510354938
zister sorry I'm a russian immigrant I don't know what that means

>>510353164
Taci in pula mea de terminat

>>510354991
A, sa fi sanatos atunci, chiar ma miram cine stie ruseste in Romania

>>510325861
Before Bakhmut, the Russian Army was in dire condition. It had just been rolled in the north and south after a string of defeats and failures had largely depleted its combat readiness. Russia was still in the process of mobilizing and needed time to backfill losses, replace vehicles, train recruits and so on.

Bakhmut gave them that time, because it allowed the army to sit back while a PMC ground Russia's convict population to death. Bakhmut was a well-fortified position but it literally just was not worth the effort vested in it. Ukraine could have given ground there and taken the initiative elsewhere against a weakened Russian army, but they chose to expend unreasonable amounts of time and resources defending Bakhmut instead, gained nothing for it except the elimination of Wagner from the order of battle, and gave Russia the time it needed to mobilize. Once Russia mobilized, Ukraine was placed at a clear disadvantage on volume of fire, equipment quantity and manpower and they have remained at that disadvantage ever since.

Nobody in hindsight can see the battle of Bakhmut as anything but a strategic misstep for Ukraine. They allowed themselves to depend overly on slow-coming shipments of western kit, mistakenly thinking that a few extra tanks and IFVs would make or break their offensive, and in the process they waited so long that the window of oppourtunity passed.

>>510319031 (OP)
>the cock is in the ass. the povkorkha operational strategic point is the last chink in the chain before assholes are working and the KETTEL destroys them. ukraine is over. kiev in three days. russia has not lost.

t. alexsander proofster of texas oblast

>>510351886
>independent entity
For you being independent means being fully aligned and controlled by the US

>>510355714
Too-little-too-late western support has been the theme of the entire war

>>510350548
problem about slow offensives is that they allot your enemy the time necessary to generally do whatever they want. ideally when you invade something the goal is to generally take it without bankrupting your economy and your population and you take it within a timeframe so enemy does not annihilate your army

russia has not succeeded in this.

invasion essentially will give them nothing, even in the case of absolute victory. they barely have the money to keep the lights on in their own country so it is unlikely any kind of occupied ukraine will provide any sort of benefit. the goal is genocide and to literally just destroy, so now they have lost any kind of moral benefit.

someone here will say resources like more uranium but russia already has plenty, you might say lithium but russia is not going to be able to really be competitive with that

russia is like a homeless man flogging himself into the grave while the world simply looks on

>>510351078
Germans are psychologically noted for enjoying Offence more than Defense in wartime. This comes from German's themselves analyzing troop moral over the course of their wars.

The exciting things always happen on the offence, unless you are holding the motherfucking line in a meatgrinder that is.

>>510319031 (OP)
>Try rotating, thats a good trick
>da

>>510356290
If 300bil couldn't stop russia, would 500bil be any better?

>>510355714
Nice effort post leaf.

>>510356567
Congrats on hitting all your nafo troon talking points

>>510319031 (OP)
>Pokrovsk is the last real hinge point before the Kramatorsk-Sloviansk defense belt gets operationally flanked

No one cares, faggot

>>510334856
>All NATO tactics assume the US Air Force controls the skies.
I would consider that a weakness of NATO doctrine.