If a couple of rich people own most of the wealth then why do I have to pay any taxes? Why don't only rich people pay taxes?

>>510332027 (OP)
humiliation ritual

>>510332027 (OP)
Because it is simple maths even a stupid American goy could understand. Tax is a relative sum, a percentage from the income. You earn less, you pay less in absolute numbers.

>>510332125
So why not fully exempt people who earn less than $1 million or so from all taxes entirely?

>>510332027 (OP)
>why do I have to pay any taxes?
You don't have to pay taxes. Simply choose not to, and then ignore any letters they send you.

a tax strike is a perfectly valid form of demonstration

>>510332203
People who make 1 million don't pay income taxes because they don't get income they get paid through investments
>Tax that more
Ok your 401k and any investments are fucked

>>510332594
hah dude no.

IRS has more power than any other US department.
While you can protest paying taxes, you cannot stop paying taxes in USA.
Or rather more accurately
If you get caught not paying your taxes, it's usually defacto jail time.
I can't provide a citation where refusal to pay taxes ends up being a misdemeanor.

>>510332758
>People who make 1 million don't pay income taxes because they don't get income they get paid through investments
then tax them
>Ok your 401k and any investments are fucked
not my problem i dont care about le line go up

>>510332104
/thread

>>510332027 (OP)
because what is the cut-off for income to pay taxes and not pay taxes? Rich people will just earn enough to not pay taxes and then your economy collapses.

>>510332027 (OP)
Because we are cattle. The system is built like a pyriamid scheme with goodest Goy generation on top. There won’t be anyone to take the generational wealth eventually because childbirths are so dramatically low and it’s more difficult to build new wealth.

>>510332027 (OP)
Because so called human interactions are not based on moral imperatives or wholesome ideology, it's all a game of power as inscribed into our primal ape nature and the rich can impose their will

is that feudalism?

>>510332974
>you cant tax them they would simply exploit this loophole haha
then fix the loophole?

>>510332027 (OP)
But they literally pay all the taxes and you pay basically nothing?

>>510333317
>you pay basically nothing?
but i dont? a ton of my income goes to taxes if they pay "literally all of it" then they can pay 100% of all taxes and i can pay 0%

>>510332027 (OP)
In another news, Top 10 Percent Responsible for 90 Percent of Sex and Intimate Relationships.

>>510332974
>If shitstein can't buy another yacht now your economy will collapse
Hilarious, mutt economy has de facto already collapse as they're incapable of producing anything and rely on their obsolescing military stock to impose production on foreign nations

>>510333273
there is no loophole to fix. You want "only rich" to pay taxes, so you have to set an actual cut-off point of what income will actually get taxed and what doesn't. If you set it to 100K per year, then everyone will just earn 99k per year instead of 101K and lose 50K to taxes.

>>510333840
thats not how taxes work if the cutoff is $100k and you earn $101k then only the $1k will be taxed

>>510332027 (OP)
We do. A lot.
> t. paid over $100K in taxes last year from investments I don’t see cash for.

>>510332027 (OP)
antisemitic thread

>>510332027 (OP)
why is bottom 50 rising after drumpf?

Pic related. Most of their wealth is not gained legitimately.

The stock market is like a magic money machine that can inflate wealth vastly beyond what it reasonably should be. It's effectively a gambling house, and the only reason it hasn't been banned or reformed is because of how useful it is to those that rule you.

>>510332027 (OP)
Yeah? You want to own a piece of a factory? You can't do anything with it tho

>>510334548
>Solution is a pre-public exchange
so you want people to lose all their savings to risky investments or get scammed by pyamid schemes? Most startups don't end up making money in the end and the investors lose their money.

>>510332203
>I suck, so I should be rewarded
why

>>510334975
Why does success have to be measured in jewnotes

Let me fight a billionaire to see who pays the taxes

>>510332027 (OP)
The top 1% pays for 40% of the total tax revenue.

"The state where the top 1% pays the highest share of taxes is Wyoming. The top 1% pay 54.7% of all federal income taxes in the state, which is a total of around $2.5 billion. Florida, Nevada, New York, and Texas round out the top five."
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2025/04/08/how-much-do-the-top-1-pay-in-taxes-in-each-state/158747/

>>510335052
>government is already running up the national debt
>lets give them even less revenue by exempting 95% of people from paying taxes

>>510335190
These don't count other indirect taxes that are mostly paid by poorer people

>>510334876
>so you want people to lose all their savings to risky investments
I mean you can vet people to participate on the exchange, and make sure they have collateral for their bets. It wouldn't be an all-comer event.
But it WOULD open up the ground-floor of these companies to millions of people, instead of this tiny little in-group who makes hundreds of billions on their insider knowledge.

>>510335225
>keep giving them money so they can fund the synagogue of Satan!

>>510332027 (OP)
The top 1% already pay like 50% of all taxes collected. Quit crying or you will see what real equal treatment looks like.

>>510332104
bang.
/thread.
>you will do all the work
>you will maybe have the bare minimum to survive
>you will pay all the taxes
>you will drive on shit roads and live surrounded by niggers
>you will like it
absolute himiliation ritual

Wealth disparity is a leftist talking point

>>510335225
The government is running up the national debt to give huge tax cuts to billionaires while the rest "save" like a few hundred per year, at the cost of adding $4 trillion to our national debt

>>510332104
Fpbp

>>510332784
How long does it take them to finally kick your door in and kidnap you?

>>510332027 (OP)
The recent big beautiful bill made it so the top 10% receive over 75% of the total value of tax cuts. They could have eliminted the lowest marginal tax rate and given everyone an equal cut, but richfags own our government and you are just a slave.

>>510335514
Don't forget the obvious trap they planted for tips where they said they'd not tax tips....for 2 years, then they tax them.
So they can entrap losers working for tips for fraud when they go back to underreporting.
Gotta give someone to the 80000 armed IRS agents they hired.

>>510335225
We could have skipped giving billionaires the tax cut in the big beautiful bill and gave it all to the middle class instead. $4 trillion dollars. Just think about what that could do for the middle class. But instead, it was used to cut billionaires' taxes. And we know that trickle down horseshit doesn't work. The middle class would be richer if you just gave them the tax cut instead of waiting for it to trickle down from billionaires.

>>510332594
Unfortunately they will follow you to the ends of the earth and take it from your jobs
They also take it from your checks regardless. You can ask them not to but that’s just gonna come back to bite you later

>>510335572
I fucking love that they actually raised the tax on those in poverty. This shit is hilarious.

>>510335225
Who cares? Whoever keeps buying the obligations are fucked. For the majority of the lower class, this is just a jewish game that gives something for nothing and they have no stake anymore.

>>510332027 (OP)
What's even funnier I pay like 35% in taxes. Giggacorps like 5-7%

>>510335572
There's no good capitalist, libertarian or moral argument as for why richfags should be given a proportionately bigger tax cut than the struggling middle class. Even if you were to accept that all taxation is theft and people deserve to keep the money they earn, why force the middle class to bear the majority of the burden while rewarding the rich with a proportionally bigger tax cut?
The only lens through which such a policy makes sense is that of elitism and "fuck the poor". And the saddest thing is that most people who cheer and support this policy are one of the poorfags who are getting cucked by it.

>>510332027 (OP)
>If a couple of rich people own most of the wealth then why do I have to pay any taxes?
They'll move to Malta if you make them pay too much.

Rich people aren't a problem by themselves, but they can do antisocial shit like buy ten houses and hold them purely as land investments. Immigration is (currently) a problem by itself because in a given city more people need housing so no one can afford it.

>>510335597
the middleclass are niggergoycattle worker drones.

>>510332027 (OP)
Imagine how quickly they'd want to get rid of the money if every month the richest person died

>>510335821
Billionaires never pay taxes because they just borrow against their assets perpetually. And because they're rich, they get access to basically free loans and infinite lines of credit. The only time billionaires pay taxes is when they sell their stock and pay long-term capital gains tax, which is capped at 20%.
The uber-rich, in practice, pay like 1% of their income on taxes. That's because they don't have "income" like normal people do. They just have assets like stocks and company shares which they borrow against, and when they pay the money back, they don't have to pay taxes. This is how billionaires can go pretty much their whole lives without ever paying any income taxes. Steve Jobs' salary on paper was $1/year

>>510332758
Seems like 401k is the issue. You have an entire system that is just tricking idiots into giving their money to certain stocks, usually Tesla, in exchange for the promise that when you get really old you may get a return for your money.
This means the entire economy is invested in the line going up. The government has to do everything in their power to make the stocks go up. If stocks don't go up you can get riots as people watch their 401k get destroyed.
This is why there are these insanely overvalued and bloated companies in America ruling over everyone. Tesla, microsoft, apple, nvidia. It's all propped up by people swindled out of their money gambling on the stock market.

No other country in the world has this issue and companies this powerful. In every other country you just pay your taxes and when you get old you get a pension. The pension is enough for your to survive and you are responsible for your own savings and investments.
A good chunk of American problems trace their roots to the government just not wanting to pay pensions and instead handing over the issue to a third party. It's the same with healthcare where instead of just paying for it or letting them die, they force people to use a third party insurance agency to deal with their health which leads to scams, inflation, bad service etc.

>>510335930
then we should have laws to seize their wealth if they do that

>>510332027 (OP)
Best part, if you voted for trump, you voted for exactly this. Pay more taxes and rich pay less so they "dont leave the country to pay lower taxes elsewhere" meme

The government exists to keep the rich rich and the poor poor

>>510335756
It's funny because it's entirely insignificant for fed budget and yet it will break the back of people that are already de facto homeless and relying on charoty

>>510335930
>They'll move to Malta
Untill the 70s capital controls were the norm so they couldn't just take the money out legally. Funny how they powers that be really don't want anyone knowing this fact

>>510333840
>what is a margin

Reminder your taxes go to the Federal Reserve

>>510335310
Prove it. Do you mean poor people pay the most, or most poor people pay it?

>>510332027 (OP)
They top 10% also pays around 72% of all income taxes despite all the tricks and loopholes they exploit to protect assets and pay less so in that sense at least it's still somewhat fair on the surface. The top 1% pays 40% which is only 10% higher than the 30% of all wealth they control. Just be sure to tell them to stfu if they ever complain about paying 70% of all taxes too becuase it's proportional and remember anyone in the top 10% who manages to pay no income tax at all deserves all the shit they get for it. If your metric is percent of the counties wealth a demographic controls the tax rates actually seem surprisingly proportional.

>>510336624
It's just abject cruelty. In a couple years when medicaid gets cut a bunch of people are absolutely fucked. Yea, there were problems with it, and I might not have had a problem if we cut it to reduce the debt, but we did all of this cutting and DOGE and layoff shit just so we can add even more to the debt for tax cuts for the rich. It's just fucked. Literally sacrificing fellow Americans to give tax cuts to rich fags.

I'm so fucking done with this place man. No one in charge has any morals, neither left or right.

>>510332027 (OP)
>Why don't only rich people pay taxes?
Before WW1 this was basically how it worked. But, back then, government was much smaller. Most people paid no income tax, even wealthy people often paid little or no income tax, most tax was through tariffs on imported luxury goods (so, mostly affecting wealthy people).

>>510337430
So give me one GOOD reason why they should pay less outside of lolbert "taxes bad"? We just added 4 trillion to the debt to cut their taxes. Why did we do that? What is the beneficial outcome other than making them more wealthy? Why couldn't we have just cut the marginal tax rate and given them a minor tax break while giving everyone else a proportionally larger one?

No one has ever answered this question for me.

>>510337252
They pay the most compared to their wealth and income. Just look at the % of money the average household saves per month VS % of money rich households save per month

>>510337430
>They top 10% also pays around 72% of all income taxes
why cant they just pay 100% of it while also eliminating other taxes like sales tax for everyone else?

>>510337445
Yes that’s the narrative you choose to focus on. Tax cuts for the working class were also in there. But far be it for me to rain on your pity party of not having a Bugatti for jacking off all day to blacked videos

>>510337691
See:
>>510337528
See:
>>510335572
75% of the total tax cuts went to the rich. So yes, growing the debt and fueling the incoming debt crisis while sacrificing the lower classes is frustrating. It should have all been thrown on the lowest marginal tax rate, and there is NO good reason why it isn't other than the fact our government is bought and doesn't give a shit about you or me.

>>510336496
How is that not true though? I'm open to the idea of it being not true.

>>510338031
Because they didn't leave the country before the tax cut?

>>510337547
Ok great, it's said the 1% are paying thr majority of taxes. Just because Jimmy pays 4 dollars out of his 10 dollar paycheck vs a rich guy paying 200,000 out of a million, doesn't matter. The rich guy paid more

>>510337528
I'm not saying any of that. I never said a word about paying less. I'm not even particularly interested in that conversation. I'm just pointing out that the top 10% also pay 70% of all income taxes in relation to OPs chart and question. I have issues with offshore tax shelters, the use of trusts which by are nature out of reach to many people becuase of the revenue required to make them functional resulting in uneven outcomes in important things like inheritance impacting ability to build generational wealth, and especially huge companies and the ultra wealthy manipulating debt as if they were an nation unto themselves avoiding taxes at all. As far as actual income tax rates vs proportion of wealth controlled however which is what OP was highlighting if percent of wealth controlled is your metric like OP seems to be saying it should be then the 10% that pays 70% of taxes should instead pay 100% while the bottom 70 pays not doesn't seem remotely fair. There's an entierly different conversation about what wealth means at different strata of society, how weslth compounds, and who has what to lose which makes far more sense in regards to these sort of things but it's not a conversation I'm looking to have right now. OPs justification is just weak in an of itself.

>>510339035
Elon Musk has $400 billion. Do you think he created $400 billion in value for the economy? Does this man work at the speed of light?
To put things in perspective, him and his famly line are going to be fabulously wealthy for the next 10,000 years or so. The name "musk" will be perpetually associated with limousines. What value has he created that earned him this? How is one man able to do the work of 1 million average people? Seems pretty impossible.

>>510338300
A fortune 500 CEO is perhaps the most highly paid position in the entire world. They earn about $10 million/year on average. That is a GARGANTUAN amount of money. Basically we as a society are saying, these people are so spectacular, so efficient, so decisive, that their labor is worth 100x the average professional. That is insane, for one human being to embody the labor of 100.

I personally think it's inflated from what it should be. That said, it's not too egregious.

But even if you worked for 50 years with that level of income, you'd only have $500 million in your bank.
So how do billionaires exist? Why are there thousands of billionaires now? If the top paycheck in our society is on the order of $10 million or so, how are people somehow coming up with $100's of billions? What is going on?

They are not making this money through salary, the way you might imagine it. They are exploiting the stock market, all of them.

>>510332027 (OP)
Western societies (not only America) are designed to make it impossible for people to move between classes.
Progressive taxation is the largest hit. Work two jobs in your 20s to accumulate wealth? Not so fast goy, here's your new tax bracket, hope you like giving additional 1/4 of your overtime in taxes!

The specific tax rates depend on the country/state.

Dumb people think progressive taxes hit rich people, but rich people get capital income in tax efficient schemes in which they pay either zero or very low taxes.

The second big impact are payroll taxes. It's a trick - workers are lied to that it's the employer that pays them. In some countries they can even be 30%. Objectively, it's a tax of what they make.
The end result is that in many countries workers are taxed for half of what they actually make.
The disparity is enormous.

Imagine you make $100k tax-free. You spend $50k per year, of which $25k is mortgage. After 10 years, you have $500k saved - which you invested, so it's realistically $700k. You full pay down your mortgage. At 30, you're debt free and with a house. You no longer pay rent, just much smaller maintenance fees, so now your annual spending is $30k. At age 40, you can retire with $1M and live from interest payments. This could be the reality for a lot of people.

Instead, normal people are taxed. They may cost the employer $100k, but at the end they only get $50k. At age 40, maybe they manage to finally pay down their mortgage. They have to work for another 20-30 years to accumulate enough to be able to retire.

The dumb solution is to demand that rich people pay more taxes. It's impossible. If you're rich, you can move. Right now there's a massive outflow of rich Brits as they had a bright idea to try to tax them more (removing non-dom scheme). Half of my building in Dubai are British immigrants. You can pay people to organize your assets. At a high enough level, you can pay politicians to enact favorable laws.

>>510340251
How to win, as an individual?
You only have two choices. One is outright tax evasion. Another is to move to a country that won't tax you, or at least tax you significantly less.

That's all there's to it. Literally all you need to do to become independently wealthy at 30-40 is to not pay taxes.

Some people will still make it without doing this, but the system is literally designed to make it impossible for the average person. They don't want zero class mobility as that's how you get revolutions. They want tiny class mobility (1 person out of 1000) so they can point to the winner and say "see, he did it, it's possible, the system is fair".

I know how Jews in America do it. They have a parallel legal system (rabbinical courts). Gifts from a foreign person to an American citizen aren't taxed. What they do is they redirect their income to a foreign Jew. Eventually, the foreign Jew gifts them the wealth tax-free. They can do that because they can enforce those arrangements through their own courts. If you try to do it using official arrangements, the tax agency will call that fraud and tax you anyway.
As a result, Jews in America continuously accumulate wealth.
Some people with family abroad can also utilize this trick, but it requires a lot of trust, and the person abroad must have some tax-free arrangement.

>>510340251
oh nonsense, quite the opposite. People get rich all the time. The old guard rich people are a dying breed clinging to their failing power as new rich are minted every day. Thousands of new millionaires are born every day in America.

But there are indeed many problems.
1) The system is set up as an oligarchy. Whoever has money, buys influence in the government, and gets a return on their investment. This can lead to massive wealthy dynasties using corruptions of the law. It also means the people who rule you are "whoever has money" which is often a group of people without your, or your country's, best interest in mind.
2) Mega-rich people are often exploiting a "hack" in the system. They got a monopoly somehow, or they're selling something addictive, or they're taking advantage of offshoring....etc. There's all sorts of ways to game the system, and they're ALL doing it. One such way here: >>510334548
3) The economy is set up to prioritize consumption over all else. This means that people who provide real value to humanity, such as a doctor producing a new medical breatkthrough, make less money than someone who sold a knockoff cereal brand or something equivalently useless.

Some other issues.
-- One of the main paths to wealth is through new businesses, and by carefully allocating business loans to favored groups, they can stack the deck in one direction.
-- Diversity hiring, the perpetual plague.
-- Degree is mandatory for certain types of work, meaning college is mandatory. Meaning you have to put yourself through 4-8 years of marxist brainwashing to work a job, even if you have the IQ and could learn on the job. Corporations are banned from using IQ tests or ability tests to make this system possible.
-- The stock market generally, is a whole load of fuckery. That is a gambling house, filled with insider knowledge, and has become a path to un-earned billions for many people. Why this is even allowed to exist, is beyond me.

The funny thing is when elites i.e. in lithuania rally the poorer fauna so they will protests taxes against wealth. Which basically meant keep taxing labour more and leave the rich alone.
It's like people are literally asking to get fucked in the ass and then complaining about it. And then asking again afterwards. So ironic.

>yfw /pol/ is filled with unironic temporarily embarrassed billionaires

>>510338300
The rich guy also hoarded more wealth than hundred thousand Jimmys, while those Jimmys paid more effective tax

>>510342019
That's why democracy is a mistake

Top 1 % own 50%

>>510335572
The big ugly bill.

>>510332027 (OP)
>If a couple of rich people own most of the wealth

1% of the US population is 3.3 million people. 10% is 33 million people.

The combined wealth of every billionaire in the country is just over $6 TRILLION. The US national debt is $37 TRILLION. Rich people aren't the ones fucking you, its the government.

>>510332027 (OP)
They count stocks as wealth though. And it's grossly overinflated.

>>510342997
thats blatantly untrue though, 1% of people has like $40-$50 trillion, while the bottom 50% of people only have like $2 trillion