I hate how when philosophers conclude that a singular creator deity has philosophical support, Christcucks try to use every mental gymnastic possible to claim that this means Christianity is correct.

Like, you do realize that it doesn’t specifically prove your religion correct, it just debunks atheism and polytheism? Other monotheistic religions like Islam or even Zoroastrianism could just as well claim that this proves their religion correct.

Hell, why not just disregard all these religions and just say a singular creator deity having philosophical support proves Deism correct? After all, Deism is more rational and logical than most religions and was historically a more common form of “irreligiousness” than atheism. It was the belief of many enlightenment-era thinkers and even the US founding fathers.

>>510475108 (OP)
>Possibly an argument in favor of pantheism and enlightenment cope?
>JK it's just more anti-christian seethe from ye average burger

Christians use arguments for mere theism to get people away from gaytheist materialism,
then evidential argumentation like
>the resurrection argument
>the empty tomb argument
>the eyewitness testimony argument
>the reliability of the new testament documents argument
>the fulfilled prophecy argument
>the miracle claims argument
>the argument from martyrdom
>the argument from the growth of the early church
>the argument from archaeological confirmation
>the argument from extra-biblical historical sources
>the argument from the uniqueness of Jesus
>the argumnet from the coherence of the Christian worldview
>the argument from transformation of lives
>the argument from the consistency of scripture
to bring people into Christianity in particular, it's a short tiny jump from mere theism to Christianity since your worldview would allow for miracles like the resurrection.

>>510477545
>gaytheist materialism,
Christianity 100% depends on materialism

>>510475108 (OP)
>christians can't into philosophy

>>510475108 (OP)
You're confusing theologians with philosophers

(No patrick, theology isn't philosophy)

>>510477991
materialism in this context is the notion that matter is the only reality, everything including consciousness, morality, and even spiritual experiences are reducible to physical processes. it denies the existence of the soul, God, and anything supernatural.
Christianity states God is an immaterial spiritual eternal being. humans have souls that survive death. miracles, resurrection, and divine revelation are real and there's a spiritual realm beyond the physical.
Christianity doesn't depend on materialism, it explicitly rejects it.

>>510478254
theology : philosophy :: banana : fruit

>>510478341
>reducible to physical processes
Like the brain to process and understand the concepts. It took a physical brain to male up God and spirituality
>>510478341
>Christianity states God is an immaterial spiritual eternal being
Until he became a material human that lived a material life and had a material death. All which had to occur in a material world

>>510478341
>Christianity doesn't depend on materialism, it explicitly rejects it.
Sure doesn't

>>510478625
>male
Make

>>510477545
>argument
>argument
>argument
your "argument" is jew fairy tales from the bible
one could just as easily conclude frodo baggins is real because the lord of the rings was written

>>510475108 (OP)
because our God actually walked the earth walked the earth and was punished for our sins and gave his blood for his creation and its redemption.
please show many any other god of other religions who did this.

>>510478625
o hi ghost of mesa
you're conflating two different ideas:
>how humans conceptualize God and spirituality
>whether God and the spiritual realm actually exist independently of human minds
one thing i've noticed in my interactions with you is that you are extremely bad at thinking in categories like this.
just because the brain can think about something doesn't mean that thing is only a product of the brain. for example, math and logic are processed by the brain, buit they point to objective truths beyond mere neutral activity. similarly, if God exists, human brains would reflect that reality, not invent it.

as for the incarnation, (God becoming material in Christ) that's actually a strike against materialism, not for it. materialism says only the physical exists, but Christianity teaches that the eternal immaterial God entered the physical world without being reducible to it. the resurrection further undermines materialism as Christ rose bodily, demonstrating that death isn't the end and reality isn't a closed material system.

materialism can't accoutn for things like objective morality, consciousness, or reason, all of which Christianity explains coherently. if you reduce everything to atoms you're left with no basis for meaning, yet you still live as if meaning exists. Christianity offers a worldview that matches reality far better than gaytheist materialism.
i will likely ignore you for the rest of the thread too unless you bring up some really worthwhile argumentation that isn't just your pseudo solipsist garbage.

>>510475108 (OP)
OP btfo

religion pretends to know the unknowable

>>510479251
>you're conflating two different ideas
Nope.

You're thst fag who got blown out in the last thread lol


This clown agreed thst murdering babies is always bad. Which is morality outside of your God who condones it.

So anyway. Jesus was a material man. Lived a material life with his material friends and family. Took material shits and suffered a material death. Even had to resurrect back in the material world kek.

Christianity 100% depends on materialism

>>510475108 (OP)
Are you asking seriously or just moving the goal posts after finally conceding how retarded atheism is?

>>510475108 (OP)
Do you think Islam worships a different god than Christianity?

>>510478254
/thread

>>510479774
>atheism is
Just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods

>>510478954

>>510479681
>This clown agreed thst murdering babies is always bad. Which is morality outside of your God who condones it.
my point was that murder is always bad, by definition.
the term murder basically means "killing + bad," sometimes killing is good (defending people, executing justice, just war, divine judgment etc)
did God kill babies? yes, but it wasn't murder, because God has the divine prerogative to kill whoever.
i have no idea where you're getting "Which is morality outside of your God who condones it." from.

>Jesus was a material man. Lived a material life with his material friends and family. Took material shits and suffered a material death. Even had to resurrect back in the material world kek.
>Christianity 100% depends on materialism
again, materialism claims that ONLY physical matter exists and everything (including mind soul and divinity) is reducible to it.
Christianity in contrast teaches:
>Jesus had a material body and an immaterial divine nature
>His resurrection was not just physical revival, it was triumph over death that points to eternal spiritual life
>miracles, revelation, and the soul aren't byproducts of brain chemistry, they transcend it
material events in Christianity serve spiritual truths, not materialist explanations.

your argument is like saying "a novel is just ink on paper" which misses the point that stories, meaning and imagination aren't reducible to their medium. Christianity uses the physical to point beyond it.
i hope a more intelligent conversation partner shows up.

>>510477991
Argue your point rather than just insisting on it

Always wondered what God is that? That kind looks like Zeus but it isn't him?

>>510480631
>my point was that murder is always bad
And your God commanded the.murder of babies..simple as

>did God kill babies? yes, but it wasn't murder
This why no one likes you

You have absolutely no legitimate arguments. Just emotional flip flopping

>>510480736
Lurk more dipshit

>>510480594
Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_RUdBTlp40hxmp

>>510480594
Not the same. If you understood Christianity you would have better arguments.

Multiple Gods.


Space creature of white light?

>>510475108 (OP)
Jesus is God. Repent.

>>510475108 (OP)
>why not just disregard all these religions and just say a singular creator deity having philosophical support proves Deism correct?

Oh, another guy who has never bothered to actually READ the philosophers discussions on this
...
because if he had ... THATS pretty much the conclusion.

>>510475108 (OP)
Friendly reminder that Yahweh is just the Israelite version of the Edomite deity Qōs combined with the Canaanite deity El. I'm not joking. Not being schizo either. It's literally true.

>>510480594
>Behold a man

>>510480631
Plus you've already agreed that murdering babies is always bad. Again, morality outside of God.

There is never a case where killing babies is justified, is there?

>>510480833
>And your God commanded the.murder of babies
explain how it was murder and not merely and exercise of God's divine prerogative as sovereign over life.
provide chapter and verse.

>>510478254
Patrick who? Star?

>>510481161
>explain how it was murder
Is there ever a time where it's justified to kill a baby?

>>510477545
correct
/thread

>>510481148
>>510481263
>you've already agreed that murdering babies is always bad.
yes murder is always bad, killing isn't always bad, sometimes killing isn't murder.
God has sovereignty over life, an exercise of divine judgment is not murder, whether it's against a baby or an old man.

>>510481555
>yes murder is always bad
There you go. God murdering babies is bad.
>God has sovereignty over life, an exercise of divine judgment is not murder
This is how low IQ you NPCs are. Its the exact same excuse Islam uses, it's the exact same excuse any other religion uses to justify murder.

There is absolutely no difference between you siding with your God vs someone else siding with theirs. And their God days it's ok to kill you for the same excuse you give about yours.

But morons like you don't understand whst a slippery slope is.

>>510480912
I'm still christian, retard. With my family and community I use catholic morality. With myself and society, I use classic pagan morality

>>510479251
objective morality doesnt exist

ITT: christcucks flexing, athioids sperging
Christcuckery takes the dub this time

>>510481862
take some deep breaths.
in and out.
in and out.

bear in mind, we were doing an internal critique, evaluating these claims within the Christian worldview where God's justice defines morality, not the other way around.
if we accept that murder implies wrongdoing, and God is perfectly just and sovereign over life, then His judgments, including those you find disturbing, aren't murder by definition. just as executing justice through a court isn't murder, neither is divine judgment.

>>510475108 (OP)
My favorite parts of the bible are when Jesus raped that virgin girl, Mary. That and the part where Eve fucked the snake and gave birth to the first jew.

>>510482284
i disagree, because Christianity is true.
but under the atheist worldview, i'd agree with you 100%, loving your neighbor or raping them would be morally equivalent.

>>510475108 (OP)
>Deism is more rational and logical than most religions
No it isn't. If God created us, he did it for a purpose and we must seek to discover what he asks of us.. Vague deistic bulllshit doesn't even attempt to address that.
>Muh enlightenment
Liberal faggots
>Muh founding fathers
Freemasonic liberal faggots.

>>510482463
This NPC is stuck in repeat.

All this nonsense is the same shit someone else says about their God. Which then they use to justify murdering you.

Yet again you demonstrate to not understand what a slippery slope is
>then His judgments, including those you find disturbing, aren't murder by definition.
Give an explanation why murdering babies is justifiable that's not "Because God". Let's see how much of an NPC you are

>>510482624
>because Christianity is true
Which brand?
>>510482624
>loving your neighbor or raping them would be morally equivalent.
I'm am atheist and I disagree.

Why is that you are extremely disingenuous and dishonest?

>>510482624
right, but you're acting like objective morality can be demonstrated to exist.

>materialism can't accoutn for things like objective morality

it can because it doesnt exist. theres no secular evidence of it existing. its why niggers in papua new guinea do ritualistic cannibalism of their deceased while europeans dont. because morality is not constant.

morality is simply an expression of our evolved empathy.

>>510482801
The problem is that you will ask for a defense of God's actions but use the standard of a man for its morality. What if God "I pull down what I build up" the Almighty is using the Earth to farm humans and yet has put bounds of time and space to every family, so that at some point their end will come (by the hands of some other family). In this perspective a Creator destroys an entire race, knowing He can bring them back at the end of days, and uses the armies of another family to do so. None of that kind of morality applies to a man though

>>510483427
>standard of a man
Is what created God in all its variations

>>510482801
>Give an explanation why murdering babies is justifiable
it's not.
i'm stuck on repeat because you're not hearing my argument.
>yes murder is always bad, killing isn't always bad, sometimes killing isn't murder.
>God has sovereignty over life, an exercise of divine judgment is not murder, whether it's against a baby or an old man.

>Yet again you demonstrate to not understand what a slippery slope is
slippery slope fallacy is
>if a, then b
>if b, then c
>therefore, a, then c
i'm guessing you mean
>a = God has the authority to kill innocents
>b = it's morally acceptable to kill innocents if you claim divine authority
>c = anyone can justify killing by appealing to divine authority

but i'm not arguing that anyone can justify killing, i'm arguing that within the internal logic of Christian theology, God has sovereign prerogative over life and death. which isn't a slippery slope, but a specific metaphysical claim within its own boundaries.

>>510483589
You asked a question but were not interested in the answer. Perhaps you treat this kind of stuff like debate class full of gotchas?

>>510483426
This anon gets it

>>510483589
now here you express a positive claim to knowledge, that God does not exist.
if pressed you will cower behind agnosticism rather than attempting to justifying it.

>>510483653
>>Give an explanation why murdering babies is justifiable
>it's not.
Morality outside your God

>>510483653
>slippery slope fallacy is
One you consistently employ

>>510483653
>but i'm not arguing that anyone can justify killing,
You don't need too. By your logic. So long as a person personally believes their version of God is as you say
>>510482463
>God's justice defines morality
then they can justify anything under that guise. Including murdering you. But then it wouldn't be murder, would it?

>>510483678
>You asked a question but were not interested in the answer
I don't agree with your answer. Big difference

>>510483788
>now here you express a positive claim to knowledge, that God does not exist.
That's not what I said. Try again with less strawman

>>510484036
>I don't agree with your answer. Big difference
Yeah you just dismissed it in writing and posted some unrelated atheist talking point instead. This is why these threads are so full of circle jerk and never go anywhere, you're some sort of militant shitposter on a crusade that wants to spam shit for the sake of his "cause".

>>510475108 (OP)
>Hell, why not just disregard all these religions and just say a singular creator deity having philosophical support proves Deism correct?
Exactly...hell.

>>510484036
yeah nothing of substance here.
done with you.

>>510484133
>unrelated
It's very related
>emotional boohoo
You expect people to just swallow your nonsense and not get push back? This place isn't for you

>>510484318
>I can't refute.

Here's a simple question. If you're slain by a Muslim in the name of their God, is that murder?

>>510484341
But you didn't push back, you didn't even address what I wrote. Let me break it down for your newfag nigger assn you have exactly TWO options when you make threads here or participate actively in one:
1) spam you message like it's a reddit/twitter volume match and engage anyone who opposes it to call them a nigger or throw some offhanded post contradicting them but never follow up cause you're not interested in them as ppl anyway
2) try to talk to ppl about something that you're (usually) both interested in without projecting the entire anti-movement you're fighting against on the other person
Maybe you can respond to this "pushback" on your posting style?

>>510484412
from my framework, yes. allah is not God and does not have a divine prerogative nor ontological reality.
from the atheist materialist framework, no, murder does not exist because right and wrong do not exist, and life has no inherent value.

>>510484517
>But you didn't push back
I did. Just not in a way you approve or like. Which makes it a you problem.

>>510484602
Yeah sure, the throwaway "you're a christkike and i got random point #210 here in my notepad". That's fine, maybe don't ask questions then. See ya nigger

>>510484588
>from my framework, yes. allah is not God and does not have a divine prerogative nor ontological reality.
You're frame work is irrelevant to Muslim who says the same thing about their God

Welcome to the slipper slope you dense moron
>>510484588
>atheist materialist framework, no, murder does not exist because right and wrong do not exist
You're simply incorrect. You already know this but you are a very disingenuous and dishonest person

>>510484664
>strawman
Try less of it next time

>>510475108 (OP)
We have four forces behind everything so one cause being behind everything is logically nonsense

>>510475108 (OP)
christian philosophy sounds too political, with too much appeal to authority, yet also to common sense and never against it
it doesnt offer anything spiritual, only solidifies you in the material world
at least others say that the dao is not the dao, or something like that

>>510475108 (OP)
>Like, you do realize that it doesn’t specifically prove your religion correct, it just debunks atheism and polytheism? Other monotheistic religions like Islam or even Zoroastrianism could just as well claim that this proves their religion correct.
All religions are based on mushrooms. Just need to put it into practice

>>510475108 (OP)
Other way around, the philosophers concluded we are nothing and hit a wall, then Christianity came along and said that they aren't completely wrong but here's the rest of story.

In simpler words, Christianity doesn't need the philosophers, the philosophers needed Christ.

>>510475108 (OP)
Shut the fuck up hindu nigger. Get reincarnated back to India.

>>510475108 (OP)
I’m not reading any of that

The highest IQ man in the world claims Christ is king. You aren’t smarter than him, so you’re wrong.

>>510484966
Christcuckery came from a kike schizo not any philosopher

>>510476812
America is the most terminally christkiked retard golem country on earth.
>>510477545
>evidential
Lol. Lmao.

>>510478954
Jesus was a guy, just like Mohammed, Buddha, the saints and gurus and many other enlightened people living today like Sadhguru and Ekhart Tolle.

>>510485087
>this gullible
No wonder you goons are sheep

>>510484966
so what did this rest of story change actually?

>>510484714
>You're frame work is irrelevant to Muslim who says the same thing about their God
right, just like it's irrelevant to you outside of a conceptualization.
again, you're extreeeeeeeeemely bad at thinking in these categories, you'd fail the breakfast test if it hadn't become a meme.
>You already know [that right and wrong exist under the atheist materialist framework]
no the hell i don't.

under atheist materialism, the entire human mind, consciousness, and all of the qualia therein can be simulated in a computer since there is nothing more than the physical according to it.
all computation in a computer can be replicated on a chalkboard over a very long time, and simultaneously too if the chalk board is large enough.

if you put two and two together, you have to admit that the entire human mind could be nothing but the arrangement of dust on a chalkboard. you could create a being that feels pain just by moving dust around on a chalkboard in a meaningful way. one could be the most evil of evil people simply by moving chalk on chalkboard in the certain way because that invented being could be tortured unimaginably (pain is just data processing right?)

>>510484838
Are you fucking retarded? Those "four forces" didn't exist before the big bang.

>>510485797
>just like it's irrelevant to you outside of a conceptualization
Funny how you can't conceptualize the slippery slope you dance in

You have no legitimate arguments.

You regurgitate the same nonsense because you are a NPC

>>510485968
layout my alleged fallacy in syllogistic form.

>>510485797
>>You already know [that right and wrong exist under the atheist materialist framework]
>no the hell i don't.
This is another lie. Myself an other atheist have explained this to you. I've even told you that atheism has nothing to do with morality. Which you agreed. But you keep on being disingenuous and dishonest

>>510485797
>muh breakfast question
You failed the test. It was an obvious shitpost meant to lure out pseudointellectual retards like you who thought it was legit. "Failing" the breakfast question isn't the benchmark, believing in it is.

>>510486057
>layout my alleged fallacy
I have several times. Your claim to your favorite flavor God is no different than anyone else's.

Therefore they have the same grounds to claim killing you isn't murder because their God said so. Just as you claim about yours.

Again, you are a moron who can't grasps this

>>510486222
I don't mean to be rude but nigger what are you talking about, half this thread is counterfactual trolley problems. Who are the pseuds exactly here?

>>510486070
>Myself an other atheist have explained this to you
the "it's empathy man, i just feel it with my feelings" thing?
yeah i didn't buy it.
>I've even told you that atheism has nothing to do with morality.
sure, atheism is just the belief that God does not exist.
i'm talking about atheist materialism specifically though.
i suppose there is also atheist supernaturalism, is that more in line with your view?

>>510486373
The ones who think the torah is a book of historical facts.

>>510479681
You're retarded.

>>510477991
>Christianity 100% depends on materialism
Evangelicals like to emphasize that the afterlife is as material as this world. Few will ever go to heaven, where God the Father is.
Ordinary saved people will live on the "new earth," a perfected version of this earth, just like before the fall. They will have material bodies, live in houses etc.
It won't be like the spiritual woo woo stuff.

>>510486465
Damn, gottem. Completely unrelated but gottem. I swear it's like there's some imaginary lurker audience doling out points in debate class happening. One updoot

>>510475108 (OP)
"Praise the God of all, drink your wine, and let the world be the world".

This is all you have to do, to beat the game.

>>510478487
>theology : philosophy :: banana : fruit
Yes, theology is a branch of philosophy, the branch studying God (theos)

>>510486519
Didn't mean to hurt your feelings, christxister.

>>510486248
do you honestly (answer honestly, seriously, i am curious) believe that every single religion's evidentiary warrant is exactly equal?
from the flying spaghetti man to Christianity?
exactly equal in merit?

>>510486375
>the "it's empathy man, i just feel it with my feelings
This idiot doesn't understand what empathy is. Kek

>>510486375
>atheist materialism
Who said a spirit realm or afterlife needs a God or gods?
>>510486495
>no u
Kek
>>510486501
Kek

>>510486687
But you did though, even though it didn't work. Snarky bitchiness is the gay poster's way, don't ya know?

>>510483426
Ok so if that's the case then it's arbitrary and therefore doesn't exist. Quit crying about niggers and jews ruining your society because you're really just a weak phaggot who deserves to be ruled over.

>>510486735
>believe that every single religion's evidentiary warrant is exactly equal?
It's doesn't matter what I think. It matters what they think.

You miss again and again

Antichristians are jews

>>510480241
>Do you think Islam worships a different god than Christianity?
Islam is based on the worship of an ancient lunar deity. The Muslim's God is not the Christian's God.

>>510485313
It saved man from ultimately denying himself and condemning himself to the worst fate imaginable, those ancients themselves called it Hades. And to call something and describe it you need to have experienced it first, they weren't making it up.

>Many times people—both grown-ups and young children—ask us, “Can you prove to me that God exists?” And I tell them something simple: No, God does not exist. Did you hear that? God does not exist. But… God is.

>What does yparcho, to exist, mean? It means ‘hypo' and ‘archo', to be under the authority of someone else. Well then, God does not “exist.” God is.

>This is not just a figure of speech—it is a terrifying truth. Because God is, I am able to exist. If God is not, then I too am a non-being. Or if you prefer—and even if it shocks you—I am garbage.

>Why can’t I simply be? Because death exists. What is the future of man without God? He will become a dead carcass, and even those of us who love him will rush to bury him quickly because he will stink. So the future without God is our being turned into trash—that’s our value.

>And those who deny Christ have not understood that they are denying their very selves.

>So then, because God is, I am able to exist—and I do exist. But I exist; I do not “rule.” I am under God, and that is why I am able to be. - Metropolitan Pavlos of Siatista

>>510486248
My god says that I am perfectly moral and correct in everything I do and say, and I say you are wrong -- how do you like that?

>>510475108 (OP)
>t. Anon with very little philosophical knowledge

>>510486748
I'm sorry you're always fantasizing about gay sex for no reason, maybe you should talk to rabbi yeshua about that.

>>510486743
So you're an atheist and yet you think morality is objective/universal? Are you fucking stupid or high? Other people keep pointing this out to you and you keep deflecting like a retard.

>>510480993
No, philosophers can come up with decent arguments for God, but proving the incarnation, Jesus, salvation etc. is much harder than proving a simple omnipotent creator.

>>510487256
>I'm sorry but
not beating the snarky feminine posting allegations anon, what gay banter

>>510487259
>So you're an atheist and yet you think morality is objective/universal?
No

>>510487327
Put another tampon in, the prayers aren't working.

>>510487003
Kek

>>510486820
i wish i could understand the point you're trying and failing to make so i could dunk on it, but i have no idea what it could be.
unless it was the syllogism i laid out earlier and shot down in the sentence below it.

>>510481961
>I'm still christian, retard. With my family and community I use catholic morality. With myself and society, I use classic pagan morality
So you're one of those pagan Christians we always hear about?

>>510487397
>no u
unlucky, good luck

>>510487451
>so i could dunk on it
You're not capable of that lol. You're a very obvious non-White who can't reconcile your idea of what your god should be with what it is actually is.

>>510475108 (OP)
I like Deism.

>>510482463
Ever heard of the Euthyphro Dilemma?
Basically, some people say what's good is whatever God says is good.
Others say the good is independent of God and God always does what is good.

>>510487451
>i wish i could understand the point you're trying and failing to make
You lack any critical thinking. That's why.

NPCs like you are incapable of it. It's why you'll have a puzzled look on your face when a Muzzy is killing you while shouting God is good..

>>510487551
You should try being as witty as a stillborn nigger's afterbirth some time.

>>510487552
can you tell me what his argument was?

>>510475108 (OP)
Jesus was a pedophile schizo with a God complex.
>Every one of Jesus’ apostles besides Peter was underage (neaniskos is the Greek word used)
>When a woman questions why he hangs out with kids he says “don’t scandalize me”
>Tells these boys he will make them “fishers of men”
>Goes into upper rooms and washes their feet while naked
>Tells them to “eat his flesh and drink his haima” (if you think this means “blood” here, see Ezekiel 23:20)
>Is arrested in a public park at 4am with a naked boy (see Mark 14:51-52)
>When the cops show up he says “why do you come for me with swords and clubs like I’m some kind of leistes”
>The word leistes, which gets translated as “thief” is actually “pirate” and was used in contemporary texts (many examples such as Lucian’s Alexander) to refer to sex traffickers
>Sex trafficking was a big problem in the Mediterranean and one of the big things the Romans did was crack down on the pedo pirates. Julius Caesar himself was kidnapped by them as a kid and afterwards had them all crucified
>Jesus Christ was in fact crucified between two other leistes
There's a reason Jesus's "Most Beloved Disciple" is always depicted as a beardless boy whereas the rest of his followers had beards. Dude liked em young.

>>510487359
Then why do you keep kvetching about
> Muh murdered babies!

Humans are just animals in your worldview so who gives a fuck if someone is murdered or not. The arrangement of matter is simply that - an arrangement of different matter. Stop moral fagging of you're a real materialist.

>>510485248
Well what’s the answer then faggot? Seems the best you have to offer is some bullshit like the Big Bang theory. You’d have to be browsing this board with your eyes closed not to see the elites clearly pray to Satan and his band of goons… Therefore the opposite is true as well.

>>510487652
I gotta hand it to you it's for the best that you dropped the gay snark. night

>>510487665
This is just you doing more tactical nihilism because you're a retarded beaner.

>>510475108 (OP)
i don't care about arguments.
you are all retards anyways.

>>510487759
The elites don't pray to Satan lol. This is retard tier schizo theory. They're just Atheists many of them.

>>510487637
>Ever heard of the Euthyphro Dilemma?
rhetorically and logically worthless against Christianity.
Christianity has a third option that sidesteps the dilemma entirely.
morality isn't good because God commands it, nor does God command it because it's independently good, rather God is the Good. His nature is the standard and his command simply reflect that unchanging essence.

>>510487724
Maybe you shouldn't approach the topic with the assumption that your kike god is an arbiter of any kind of morality when he condones murdering children. You understand that he specifically told *you* that you can't do that, right?

>>510475108 (OP)
Sorry sweatie, but Christian theologians have been able to prove using logic and rationality alone that not only must there be one and only one God, He also can only possibly be the Christian God.

>>510487724
You are too stupid for this conversation and very late to it
>>510487759
>Well what’s the answer then faggot?
That you are a moron sheep

>>510487786
if i prove i'm white will you read the Institutes of the Christian Religion?

>>510487862
>rather God is the Good
Bibke says he's both good and evil. He wouldn't be omnipotent of he wasn't

>>510488008
No, I'm not really big on reading fiction.

>>510487891
I'm not a Christian you Atheist faggot. Why are you kvetching about something that doesn't actually exist in any objective way? (morality)

>>510488027
no, the bibke does not God is evil.
>what about Isaiah 45:7???
no.
>if God isn't evil then He can't be omnipotent
no.

>>510486965
That's cool, that's neat, but why do you have to follow a Jewish rulebook from 2000 years ago?

>>510487909
Nice deflection faggot. Either be what you are or quit kvetching about something that supposedly isn't real faggot.

>>510488139
I don't believe you. You're caping for the pedophile god of the OT which means you're a christian, jew, pedophile, or a combination of the aforementioned two.
>>510488143
>no
Not an argument you fucking faggot.

>>510488143
>no, the bibke does not God is evil.
Yup, yup and yup

>>510488193
>boohoo
Cry more little girl

>>510488027
Why do you care? Why are you caught up on moral arguments when you acknowledge that morality isn't universal/objective? Why are all atheists moral fags? I can atleast respect Communists because they understand this.

>>510488282
>too late
>too stupid
Have a nice day

>>510488282
>you shouldn't murder and rape kids like yahweh condoned
>WHOA WHAT'S WITH THE "MORALFAGGING"
Pedophile confirmed.

>>510488237
I'm not a christkike. However you are a faggot atheists who retroactively runs to morality when jews or whatever group is BTFOing you. Nice try faggot.

>>510488359
See >>510488348 chomo

>>510486965
for the realization that 'god is', self-denial is crucial, it is the logical end and it's necessary
power and hierarchy dont do anything here, they're just between limited beings

>>510488332
Lmao get wrecked fag boy. I eat reddit atheists for breakfast!

>>510488400
You eat goyslop for breakfast, fatass.

>>510488240

>>510488379
Why is raping or killing anyone objectively bad? Explain it to me then faggot without appealing to emotions.

>>510488442
Explain why killing people is bad faggot. Im waiting.

>>510488466
>>510488511
Wow I guess it's not, post address since you just consented to being murdered.

>>510488466
Killing anyone other than you is objectively bad because people are nice to have around.

>>510488601
Point proven. Keep the moral fagging to yourself next time bitch.

>>510488450
>subjective interpretation!
Lol, loser

>>510488611
> Uh le murder is bad because it's bad

Average redditor logic.

>>510488727
how do you objectively interpret something, outside something close to it like hermeneutics (which was employed here.)

>>510488450
>>510488727
Also, a calamity can result from evil actions

>>510488700
>too big of a pussy to get murdered
>point proven
No you proved my point that you either agree that murder is inherently wrong or you're too emotionally attached to life to die. KWAB.

>>510475108 (OP)
>he thinks any religious text holds a candle to the Bible
lmao

>>510488799
See
>>510488845

>>510488845
which demonstrates... what?

>>510488852
You still haven't shown why murder is OBJECTIVELY wrong.

What constitutes murder? Go ahead and explain faggot. I'm sure you'll defer to some arbitrary definition of murder that depends on a legal framework.

>>510475108 (OP)
If I may submit the following model for consideration:

Humans religions got it COMPLETELY the wrong way round. If there were a God, or, if we were in a computer-simulation: that there would be a developer, then surely, the various religions would be attempts to know him, and the traditions built up around that, whereas, due to human psychology (in particular, humans have no "alpha-equivalence", so they think that "different labels => different things"), people think that there's "multiple gods". In effect, if you believe that people believe in "various highest gods", you're a polytheist.

But they all want to be *favorite* which is why they like to fight so much.

Also Jesus would be "a reasonable guy" and what he said wasn't incompatible with any religion. It's just that people have ERASED what he actually said from the theory and instead made up a religion that "worships his blood", which would be "his wisdom", but which got turned into this "magic blood" due to having the insight erased from it, basically. Also he never says to worship him, specifically, in the gospels, and everyone just ignores that due to, as said: human psychology.

You can maybe, in a discretionary manner, which is what the baseline human tries (esp. if threatened with hellfire which stops reasoning in its tracks due to the fear-reaction), eliminate maybe 10% of your "sinfulness", the rest is just due to how the human mind functions, where is a fairly simple scheme. E.g. it tries to "force-set logical atoms", it tries "believe things into being true" even though it itself would say that this is nonsense and cannot work in any other area, with the *religious* area being specifically an unprincipled and wrong-to-hold, as in "factually wrong", exception to this. We have a relatively small island of rationality in our world-model, beyond which it's all fairytale-logic. And Jesus himself would have told you this because he surely was reasonable, and not delusional and wrong.

>>510488978
Damn dude. You really are a moron..it demonstrates your God is both Good and Evil. There wouldn't by either without him

>>510489015
I said you were right, there's nothing wrong with murdering you but you are chimping the fuck out and denying me the opportunity, so clearly you never believed it to begin with. Big reddit contrarian energy here.

>>510489015
Why don't you start off by defining what you think murder is and why it's different than killing

>>510489158
> Muh post your address!!!

You're a defeated faggot who got pwned. Get fucked bitch lmao.

>>510489107
>a calamity can result from evil actions
>therefore, God is evil
you are legitimately unironically retarded.
continuing to converse with you is essentially bullying, which in my worldview that has real moral facts (unlike the atheist materialist one), is wrong.

>>510489259
>ummmm sweaty murdering me is objectively wrong
Concession accepted.

>>510489304
>>a calamity can result from evil actions
>>therefore, God is evil
Nothing happens without the will of your God? Yes or no?

>>510489176
I don't believe in objective morality you stupid bitch. You do. That's why you keep kvetching about "muh God murdered babies!" So why don't you go ahead and defend your objective reddit tier morality for me.

Why is murder objectively bad?

>>510489333
Cope. You got wrecked faggot. Kek.

>>510489107
"Good and evil" ARE a bunch of arbitrary labels, true, because none of them contain reasoning, even if intuitively true somehow, like "don't murder": ok, we think that's bad, but... it's just bad, that's it.

They *can* be well-founded:
>Good = acting such that the symmetry-group which you could occupy expands, e.g. if someone is doing evil, it is GOOD to explain to him why he's doing it so he can not do it; "the Golden Rule"
>Evil = being psychological deranged
"Doing evil" never is the best measure, the best measure is "mind-control to make the evil person one's friend, and not evil", or instead of "mind-control", let's say: "grant freedom of mind".

Proof: you wouldn't do *evil* to your *friends*, you really wouldn't. We only do this "evil" because we consider some people "our enemies" or "not relevant", which is basically just the human mind's inability to really connect in more abstract societies than "a small group of us".

>>510489388
Again,

>>510489176
>Why don't you start off by defining what you think murder is and why it's different than killing
Can you?

>>510489381
it's complicated.
i am a molinist who holds to transworld depravity so the answer is no, some things happen that God does not prefer.

>>510489434
Explain why you dying against your will right now is wrong.

>>510489499
>it's complicated.
Not really. But you're going to pilpul like it is
>>510489499
>some things happen that God does not prefer.
Then he's not omnipotent nor omniscient

>>510489469
Murder is subjective just like all legal frameworks. None of them are OBJECTIVELY based.

Now why don't you explain why murder is bad? Are you scared?

>>510478254
Very accurate observation

>>510475108 (OP)
It doesn't debunk polytheism unless you debunk ooga Boogaloo tier animism. Multiple entities can create. Look at any software/AI endeavor

>>510489600
Again
>>510489176
>Why don't you start off by defining what you think murder is and why it's different than killing
Why is this hard for you? Your Christ buddy can answer this but you cant?

>>510477545
No evidence of a tomb. Just christkike speculation

>>510489600
>Murder is subjective just like all legal frameworks
This is also incorrect. That's why there murder 1 and 2

Why would kikes have it written in their bible for thousands of years to spit on and enslave/kill Christians? Why would they even give a shit if they knew we were wrong and already controlled everything? Why would you go along with what object evil wants you to do?

It’s the same thing as the shill meter. And based on how hard these tranny/kike/nonwhite/ashiests are shitting themselves in this thread, we’re right over the target

>>510489590
>systematic theology is not really complicated
they are multivolume thousand page tomes
>then he's not omnipotent nor omniscient
if i take the time to explain this to you are you going to listen charitably, or should i just post a smug anime girl image at you?

>>510489567
Dude you're a little punk bitch who wouldn't do shit. Here's my address, come get me faggot. 13340 Clarksville Pike, Highland, MD 20777

Get owned faggot. I win lmao.

>>510478341
No the violation of material law in miracle attributions. No reason to believe them. If they happened the origination annot be determined

>>510489176
Murder is personal retribution, killing (in the judicial sense) is "societal apoptosis". The two are somewhat independent phenomena. From society's point of view: murder is the killing it doesn't want to happen.

>>510479524
So fucking this this

>>510479251
Including sin in the reflection? Even though sin predates jew worship as a concept

>>510489683
This faggot keeps deflecting lol.

I already said morality is subjective. Notions such as "murder" are arbitrary. Why don't you answer me now faggot? Why is murder bad? Why are you so scared to actually answer questions?

>>510489812
>MUSA tae kwon do
No joke, the little dork kids going there because they get bullied in school would beat the fuck out of you lol.

>>510479251
Where does morality exist outside the mind.

>>510488738
>Errm reddit moment, lol, cringe
Murder isn't bad. People are just good to have around -- except for you.

>>510489739
there was a really interesting archaeological find recently regarding that
https://archaeologymag.com/2025/04/ancient-garden-found-at-jesus-burial-site/

basically the area was a bunch of rocks and jews for a while were like
>haha dumb goys think there was a garden and tomb around here but it's just rocks
then they found the garden and part of a burial structure.

>>510489787
>they are multivolume thousand page tomes
Of personal feelings and subjective interpretation
>>510489787
>if i take the time to explain this to you
Except you actually won't. You employ some version of pilpul to dance around it

>>510489850
>Murder is personal retribution
Murder is an unjustifiable killing. That's why killing someone in self defense isn't murder

>>510489904
Deflecting what?
>>510489904
>I already said morality is subjective.
Murder isn't

>>510489744
Legal frameworks are the machinations of man. They are - by definition, subjective. How do you not agree with this as an Atheist? Are you fucking this stupid?

>>510489932
Lmao get fucked bitch. I waiting for you pussy, get off the web and come see me since you were talking shit about killing me after I pwned you in an internet debate.

>>510486757
Morality as a biological vector would have competing moralities that eradicate/syncretize much like 2nd temple Judaism and Greek philosophy combined aka your cuck

>>510489946
Nice logic retard.

>>510489973
Match up what "society thinks", if you imagined a "society-person setting policy":
>From society's point of view: murder is the killing it doesn't want to happen.
and you, *obeying society*: "acknowledge this instruction", and say:
>Murder is an unjustifiable killing.

1:1 match.

Also infohazard-warning neenooneenoo I'm obviously not speaking with this bizarre clarify accidentally. It's safe, I'm not saying anything you wouldn't calmly accept, but when it comes to most thing, everything except for the most mundane and not emotionally charged, you are "in a psychologically false vacuum". It's all safe, I'm just saying.

>>510490050
>he's creeping on the kids at MUSA
Kek just as I said >>510488348

>>510489987
>Legal frameworks are the machinations of man. They are - by definition, subjective
Unless evidence points otherwise

>>510490058
> Morality is a biological phenomenon rooted in material reality

Yeah therefore it's arbitrary and no more consequential than me taking a shit. Which was my point. Thanks for playing, faggot.

>>510489973

>>510489973
So what separates murder and a "righteous kill" then? Go ahead and explain faggot.

>>510490146
>and you, *obeying society*
Its not obeying. It's agreeing as you do the same

>>510490175
Concession accepted

>>510489952
And this is a refusal or simply a complementary proof?

>>510490213
>So what separates murder and a "righteous kill" then?
Define "righteous kill" give an example to this nebulous term

>>510490154
They codify human psychology. Obviously the laws are man-made but not *random*, i.e. the law says "murder is wrong", and would you look at that: we do generally think that it's wrong and *we would* make a law against that if we ran a society, simple as that, just unknowable normally, it "seems mysterious as to why", I know.

>>510489899
>Including sin in the reflection?
i don't know what that means, some nod to narcissus?
>>510489940
in my view, same place as laws of logic, shape definitions and numbers reside necessarily, grounded within God

>>510490077
It's hilarious that your brown ass can't see that everyone is just using you as a potential victim in your "murder isn't bad" shitskinisms and you freak the fuck out when you, rather than a hypothetical person, is the one who might be killed. Once again, you don't believe your own shit, you're just a middle aged loser going through a 12 year old on Xbox live phase.

>>510490163
I was agreeing with you stupid woman. So defensive you chimp out when people agree with you. Nigger I spit on you

>>510490298
You said the idea of murder isn't subjective. It literally is. All value judgements are by definition, subjective. How are you even fucking arguing this point? Are you retarded?

>>510490237
It's not *wrong* to obey society, per se. It's just that society tries to "impose goodness in a fascistic manner": you *have the order* to not murder, but no reasons are given. Reasons *could* be provided, but they're not, so it seems to our minds that murder might be advantageous sometimes, but it actually never is. If one had good-enough arguments to resolve any given hostility or conflict of interest. Then murder would be idiotic in comparison.

>>510490330
Dude you faggots cry about Jews ruling over you 24/7. Go shriek about Israel more, faggot. Might makes right and the Jews have the might.

>>510490410
>You said the idea of murder isn't subjective. It literally is
Not really. That's why Kyoe Rittenhouse isn't a murderer despite killing 3 people

>>510489499
Why would a perfect God create reality?

>>510490475
Kek look at this fucking loser. Why aren't you saying this in a mosque? Are you afraid you might be murdered? What's wrong with murdering you? You haven't explained why it's wrong.

>>510489812
Nigga bout to get swatted lmao

>>510490507
> Hurr durr Kyle Mexicanhouse proves that murder isn't subjective!

Dude you're a fucking retard. Rittenhouse got off because of a legalistic definition of murder. He relies on the legal framework of the US system.

All legal frameworks are arbitrary just as the machinations of man are arbitrary. There's no objective universal definition of murder and if there is you can give it to me now. I'm all ears.

>>510490557
What are you even talking about? You're the faggot who said he'd come kill me so put down the twinkie and get to it faggot. Im waiting.

>>510490514
not out of necessity obviously, as He is perfectly complete and self-sufficient.
out of abundant love, joy and a desire to share His goodness, not as a passive or emotional need (as humans experience desire) but an active willed expression of His nature. just as artists (who are imagebearers of God) create not because they lack something, but because creativity overflows from them. God's creation is an expression of His nature.

>>510490661
> Nigga

/pol/ fags actually use this term, lemme guess you watch Nick Fuentes too, huh?

>>510490712
>Rittenhouse got off because of a legalistic definition of murder
Wrong.

So again,.what's the difference between murder and killing in self defense? Is there one?

>>510490913
>He is perfectly complete and self-sufficient.
Yet he demands love, praise and adoration. Gets angry, vengeful and jealous >>510490913
>out of abundant love, joy and a desire to share
Kek all man made emotions

>>510491052
There's no objective difference retard. Go ahead and show me one. Objective morality isn't real. Something you already acknowledged earlier.

>>510490826
Where you at? Which weak faggot am I looking for?

>>510491255
>>510490826
My American brothers, there is surely no need to fight.

>>510491190
>There's no objective difference retard
Incorrect.


>>510491190
>Go ahead and show me one
Kyle Rittenhouse.

>>510491255
I'll meet you outside the dental care clinic (don't work there but it's nearby) I'll be in a red corvette, be there on Thursday at 5 PM if you want to fight, faggot.

>>510491351
Exactly you have no answer. "Kyle Rittenhouse" isn't an actual answer. Nice try pussy, get wrecked. Kek.

>>510491416
You just said you were waiting, now your broke incel ass is talking about your imaginary sports car and kicking the can down the road.

>>510491485
>pussy
See >>510491416

>>510487359
>morality is not objective
>>510491351
>there is an objective difference between murder and killing in self defence

how does that work

>>510491485
>"Kyle Rittenhouse" isn't an actual answer.
Sure is. He wasn't convicted of murder lol

>>510491490
Cool. I'll be there on Wednesday too pussy. Just show up and bring your balls, tranny. Let's see you back up that talk, pussy.

>>510477545

yep bingo. also i study epistemology - only Christianity can justify logic, reason, the uniformity of nature, reliability of senses. other religions fall immensely short.

i actually laid out the transcendental argument on this low IQ board once and all i got was death threats lmao

>>510491545
>>there is an objective difference between murder and killing in self defence
>how does that work
We've been through this bro

>>510491607
>I'll be there
No you won't lol. I'm here now and you won't be because once the thread dies you'll slink back into pussydom, pretend this never happened, and not do shit.

>>510489015
Holy midwit batman!

>>510491574
> Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't convicted of murder from the subjective view of a jury of his peers within the subjective legal framework of the US, therefore murder isn't subjective.

This is your argument. You're a literal retard.

It literally means Christianity is correct you ignorant ape. The transcendental arguments that philosophers make only make sense if you accept the triune God which provides uncreated energies of logic and truth.

>>510491680
what's the answer though

>>510491689
You aren't there you fucking pussy bitch. Show up tomorrow. What color is your moms car faggot? I doubt you have your own.

>>510491711
>from the subjective view of a jury
How did they make the determination it wasn't murder bud? Because self defense killing isn't murder? And they proved it was self defense

Keep up kiddo

>>510491676
No, dude. Buddhism can be like true because even though everything is an illusion that coming to the realization that it’s an illusion is itself magically not an illusion because…it just isn’t ok?

>>510490314
No those come from the mind

>>510491795
>You aren't there
It must be opposite day lmao. What happened, I thought you were waiting? Give me a burner number so I can call you out when you don't show again.

>>510491770
Whats the difference between murder and killing?

>>510491799
Did you even read you literal sub 60 IQ retard? 12 people's subjective opinion of a subjective legal framework doesn't mean the idea of "murder" isn't subjective. Fuck you're stupid lol.

And now you’re that much closer to judgement and you didn’t do anything but be wrong on a bat observation forum

2032 anon. Tik tock. Probably even sooner for most of us. Be with the Jews and Satan, or be with the white and the light.

>>510490913
A perfect Godis fulfilled including his desires. Your logic is non sequitur with your ontology

>>510491905
>12 people's subjective opinion
Again. How did they determine it wasn't murder?

>>510491854
A burner number? Are you a fucking boomer, this isn't 2002 retard. What color car is your mom driving faggot? Im always at that spot on Wend/Thursday.

>>510491949
By interpreting a subjective legal definition of murder defined by local/state laws. Try to keep up, retard lol.

>>510491982
Reply to this post to confirm you're a pedophile who has no plans of showing up.

>>510492056
Lmao nice try faggot, just admit you're a pussy who never intended to do shit and you can leave after that.

>>510492052
>By interpreting a subjective legal definition of murder
Again how?

>>510491832
our minds certainly interpret and apply these concepts, but i'd argue their truth or reality isn't contingent on human thought.
like even if no minds existed, 2+2 would still equal 4 and triangles would still have 3 sides, and some actions would still be morally wrong. i see these things as grounded in something eternal and necessary, namely God rather than being conjured by cognition.
if all minds vanished, would contradiction become acceptable? i don't think morality logic or mathematics are mental constructs, but point to something beyond us.

>>510492114
Stop raping kids. Still here by the way.

>>510491676
>Assembies of God kek
>dispensationalist kike worship

>>510492121
Do you think the law is objectively true? Is it a immutable truth of the universe?

>>510492147
I called your bluff pussy. KWAB lmao.

>>510490826
>how would you feel if you got murdered this morning?
>What do mean? I didn't get murdered this morning. I don't understand the question.

>>510491894
in my view, murder is a killing that is not morally justified.
under the atheist materialist framework where objective morality cannot exist, there is no justice or inherent right or wrong, so no killing can really be considered murder.

>>510491918
>A perfect Godis fulfilled including his desires.
i preempted this response in a parenthetical

>>510492140
Then Cjrist would be revealed by the mind implicitly much like your avowed concepts. Unfortunately for yur epistemology this is not the case.

>2+2 = 4

By what mechanism would this be proved without mental computation? Cite example

>>510492227
Lmao get fucked pedo. I'm waiting for you pussy, get off the web and come see me since you were talking shit about tae kwon dodoing me after I pwned you in an internet debate.

>>510492188
>Do you think the law is objectively true?
Are the rulings objective? Is Kyle objectively free from killing 3 people?

>>510492237
>in my view, murder is a killing that is not morally justified
Why are you changing your answer? Before it was killing that wasn't justified
>>510492237
>under the atheist materialist framework where objective morality cannot exist, there is no justice or inherent right or wrong,
Why do you keep spreading this lie?

>>510492282
>preempted by stating we exist because of an overflowing (accidental ) nature

God cannot control his own nature? Does it supersede his intent (even though he's still without need or desire and is infallible over your epistemology)?

>>510487563
>I like Deism.
Deism is the thinking man's view of God.

>>510492329
Answer the question faggot. Are man-made laws immutable characteristics of the universe? IE: Gravity or electro magnetism?

>>510492501
>Answer the question faggot
I did. Get some critical thinking, dumb shit

>>510492322
Uh huh. You got punked out like a bitch lol. I dropped a location and you're still hiding. Kek.

>>510487862
So Christianity just combines the good with God and claims they are one and the same. That is an answer to the Euthyphro dilemma, but doesn't change the fact that God and Good are different things, conceptually. This answer just rolls them into one.

>>510492544
No you didn't faggot. You're just too pussy to admit that all legal frameworks are subjective just like notions of God. Get fucked bitch.

>>510492566
See >>510491255 >>510491416

>>510492598
>No you didn't faggot
Sure did. Are the rulings of the court not objective?

>>510492673
No they aren't objectively arrived at truths the same way gravity is you retard. Was the Soviet legal system objectively true if they ruled on a court case?

>>510492598
Goddamj you are one cringe little gaylord. 100% chance you got molested and liked it. And you're running from a fight you just tried to arrange. No brain or brawn. How useless can you be?

>>510480594
Jesus is God though.

>>510476812
>>510477545
Christianity is nonsense. Christians believe that a middle easterner from 2000 years ago will reappear one day, bring the dead back to life, and set up a utopian heaven-on-earth for a period of time. There might be problems with other religions, but they don't believe anything as retarded as that.

>>510492303
you're right to point out that proof as a process is tied to cognition, we reason model and demonstrate via minds. but what i'm arguing isn't that proof exists without minds, but that truth can.
in other words, even if no one were around to calculate 2+2, the sum would still be 4, because that truth reflects a necessary structure rather than an invention of our minds, a reality that minds discover rather than one created.
similarly, we use mental tools to apprehend Christ, morality, logic, and even beauty. but that doesn't mean these things are mind-made. revelation involves cognition, yes, but the content revealed isn't reducible to cognition. the epistemological challenge isn't whether truths can exist without minds, but whether minds are the only source of truth.
i don't think they are.
asking for how 2+2=4 could be demonstrated without a mind misses the distinction i'm making.
>>510492421
that's always been my position even if i hadn't clearly stated it, i don't care about legalities or social convention when it comes to moral ontology.

>>510492783
>100% chance you got molested and liked it
That must be why he doesn't think raping kids is objectively wrong.

>>510492751
>No they aren't
So Kyle isn't objectively free from killing 3 people?
>>510492751
>gravity is you retard.
This moron thinks gravity is objective, kek..how old are you? Do you realize our understanding of gravity has changed and most likely will again?

How are you this stupid?

>>510492860
>that's always been my position
Another lie. You do this a lot from someone claims to get morality from a Good God lol

>>510492819
Incorrect.

>>510492878
Can you define what "objectively free" means?

"Gravity isn't objective"

Gravity is one of the fundamental forces of the universe. You fucking spastic fuck. Just because our understanding of Gravity has changed doesn't mean the actual force of gravity has changed. Why are you so fucking dumb?

>>510475108 (OP)
name one thing in existence that does not have a heirarchy.

>>510492878
Kyle is not objectively free.

>>510475108 (OP)
Hermetic gnostics win every religious debate.

>>510493039
>Gravity is one of the fundamental forces of the universe. You fucking spastic fuck
And our understanding has changed a lot about it you stupid nigger

So, is Kyle Rittenhouse objectively free or not. I keep asking this simple question but you're too much of a pussy to answer it

If Kyle were objectively free like pirating (which isn’t theft) you could have your own Kyle.

>>510493071
He is from killing 3 people :^)

Q why can’t I have my own Kyle?
A Kyle’s bound to the universe and is not free of the laws of existence

>>510493039
>doesn't mean the actual force of gravity has changed. Why are you so fucking dumb?
In more advanced contexts, like general relativity or discussions of fundamental interactions, it's described as a geometric effect rather than a force like electromagnetism

>>510493185
I don’t recall that ever happening
Stop making things up Jesus lover

>>510493282
>I don’t recall that ever happening
Sounds like a personal problem. I watched it live

>>510493153
You said he was objectively free, not me retard. I'm asking you to define what "objectively free" means. Quit being a pussy and answer.

Also Gravity has existed for aeons. Our understanding of Gravity changing doesn't mean the underlying force has. Do you understand this, retard? The same way our understanding of cosmology or the Sun has changed. That doesn't mean the sun itself has actually fundamentally changed.

>>510493278
You proved other anons point again.

>>510493282
>Jesus lover
I'm an atheist. But Christ is a good allegory

>>510493328
No you didn’t.

>>510493278
Dude. Once again, our understanding of the complexities of gravity has changed. The actual force itself hasn't and is an immutable part of the universe. Why is this so hard to grasp?

>>510493331
Under what circumstances do you believe that raping children is ok?

>>510493368
You deserve Jesus. Put down your Atheismo dolls and repent.

>>510493331
>You said he was objectively free
From killing 3 people. Yes or no? If no. How?
>>510493331
>Our understanding of Gravity changing doesn't mean the underlying force has
Sure it does. Because it's all based on our current understanding.
>>510493350
To bad you can't explain how

>>510477545
All these arguments are debunked by a single argument, that you could never come to Christianity independently, or any religion for that matter, but people can and do come to perennial truth independently, across time, across place, across culture, meaning that it's intrinsic, and can be realized through reason or experience. If a thing cannot be realized independently, through pure reason or meditative gnosis, it's a belief, it's not truth. Religion if anything is secularized metaphysics for hylics.

>>510493432
When only the strawest of man will do.

>>510493387
Yup :^)

https://youtu.be/hnYlV6UAlLw?si=AmK2q2Hv2XnvkKY7
Enjoy watching it yourself

>>510493493
Sir can I please have a definition of what you mean as "objectively free" or are you too scared to do so? If you are just say it and we can stop talking. Your retardation is tiring.

>>510493493
Sure I can, and so can other anon. That’s 2:1. You lose.

>>510493422
>Dude. Once again, our understanding of the complexities of gravity has changed
Which in turns changes gravity. Just wait until we find out how to fly without propulsion :^)
>>510493435
Have a nice day

>>510493558
You've indicated that you believe there are times you believe molesting children is acceptable. What are those?

>>510493529
Ads are bogus so I avoid YouTube thanks.

>>510493493
Do you believe gravity as a force exists independently of the human mind?

>>510493558
>Sir can I please have a definition of what you mean as "objectively free"
Is Kyle objectively free from killing 3 people? Or is he in prison for it?
>>510493570
>Sure I can
>doesn't do it
No more yous

>>510493605
No. You have a nice day.

>>510475108 (OP)
>crying because his religion was righteously decimated by big white Hebrew cock.
Seethe kike. Christianity is the oldest religion of record. All other religions copycat the Hebrew biblical story and make it about their sub human people. Jews more so than anyone else but that still doesn’t alleviate Buddhist and Hindu heresy. Whites lived in Galilee. Romans described Nazarene Christians as white (modern Irish/scot). Nazarene Christian’s hail from the bloodline of David, from Abraham, to Noah, lineage is fully tracked and verified. With historical descriptions from adjacent cultures and civilization. Christ will return after the Jews resurrect Gilgamesh, and you will crawl to our feet. Cope and seethe

>>510493606
You are so mad that I puked you. KWAB.

>>510493638
Is Kyle sitting in prison for killing 3 people?

>>510493678
I’ve seen other anon do it like three times and you haven’t grasped it yet. Why would I waste my time typing what has been typed?
For your amusement?

>>510493678
Dude why can't you just give your definition of "objectively free"? Stop being a pussy and define what you mean.

>>510493711
>too pussy to answer the question
I mean I don't blame you, especially when you're going to answer for these posts tomorrow at 5PM in the presence of parents.

>>510493728
What does objectively free mean? Rittenhouse is still subject to forces outside of his control. Is that free?

>>510493770
Stop being a pussy and tell us when you believe raping kids is ok.

>>510493728
Yes.

>>510493039
Gravity isn’t real you dumb kike

>>510493780
Lmao I'll be waiting pussy. Make sure your mom gets there early.

>>510493811
>freedom doesn't akshually exist at all because gravity
Hahahahaha holy fuck

This is lol

>>510493770
>>510493811
Dude why can't you answer a simple question. Is Kyle sitting in prison for killing 3 people?

>>510492444
>if God's nature overflows, is creation necessary or accidental, does it imply a lack of control or contradiction.
that's an interesting point.
i wouldn't say the overflow of God's nature is "accidental" in the way that implies chaos or compulsion, rather, it reflects a freely-willed and sovereign act consistent with His character. His nature doesn't supersede His intent, it is His intent.
in classical theism, God's will and nature are not in competition but in harmony. creation then is not the result of uncontrollable overflow, but the outworking of divine intentionality that is fully aligned with His essence (goodness, love, beauty)
just as light shines because it is the nature of light to shine, God's creative act is a radiant manifestation of who He is, without implying deficiency or involuntary action.
>>510492592
that's true but not really a problem.
things can be different conceptually while being ontologically identical.
>morning star vs evening star
>heat vs molecular motion

>>510493857
This queer is so mad lmao. I dropped the location and you pussed out like every /pol/ chud does.

>>510493857
Kyle isn’t objectively free. He can’t fly, he can’t stay underwater for more than a few minutes, he’s not free.

>>510493849
>I'll be waiting
I've heard that before, turns out you were lying.

>>510493865
Yes (extra straw please).

>>510493865
I asked first. Answer my question and quit deflecting.

What does "objectively free" mean?

>>510493908
I'm still here btw

>>510493910
Bingo.

>>510493958
You’re too fat to leave.

>>510493986
That dude is extremely mad and gay lol.

>>510493948
>I asked first.
Nope.

I'll ask again. Very simple too. Is Kyle sitting in prison for killing 3 people? The answer is no. So he's free then? Yes. Therefore he's objectively free because he didn't commit murder

Hope this helps :^)

Kyle is in jail for objective murder. I saw it on CNN. He’s not free and neither are you.

>>510494045
But he’s so skinny

>>510493908
>I dropped the location and you pussed out like every /pol/ chud does.
Is that you McQueef?

>>510494062
"He's objectively free"

What do you mean by "objectively free?"
I'll keep asking until you actually sack up and answer.

>>510494062
It helps as an indicator of a stroke or brain damage that you think you proved something here.

>>510494045
Where you at?

>>510494119
>What do you mean by "objectively free?"
This idiot
>>510494062
>Is Kyle sitting in prison for killing 3 people? The answer is no. So he's free then? Yes. Therefore he's objectively free because he didn't commit murder
I don't get what's so hard about this

>>510494062
What the fuck kind of hill is this to die on or even remotely give a shit about? This is really what you two midwits have been arguing about for hours now?

Find Jesus Christ

>>510494098
Uh huh. Sure thing retard. I can feel the seethe coming off you. Then again you thought gravity was this ever evolving force so you're retarded as fuck. Can't blame you lol.

>>510494138
I’m also there. Just flew in from Canada and my arms are tired. Where are you?

>>510494171
Are you sincerely helping people to find God?

>>510494169
Rittenhouse is still subject to laws. He was ran out of liberal universities. Is he actually objectively free? Why don't you define what you mean by that?

This all stemmed from the fact that you equated the objectively true notion of gravity with man-made laws. Because you're fucking retarded lol.

>>510494171
>Find Jesus Christ
Where's the little bugger hiding?

>>510494183
Kek yeah it's you McQueer hahaha

>>510494183
When is raping babies ok? Why are you too pussy to practice what you preach?

If there’s any confusion at the tae kwon do studio about who I am I’m the one furiously posting to 4chan every 60 seconds.

>>510494284
>Is he actually objectively free?
From killing 3 people? I believe so. As he isn't in prison for it.

>>510494290
I'm waiting pussy.

>>510494290
Jesus is not in this castle.

>>510494368
Grab a Snickers McNugget

>>510494368
I am also the waiting.

>>510494368
Me too.

>>510494361
> The police didn't put some guy in jail because he broke some man-made laws that they invented! See his is objectively free! Man-made laws are like gravity!

You're retarded lol.

>>510494439
When is raping infants ok in your mind?

>>510494434
Take a picture of the clinic with timestamp then pussy. I'll head out right now. Ofc you won't because you're a location spoofing bitch.

>>510494434
Good. I’m sure we will not need all of our cunning and traps to defeat this mental Hercules.

>>510494439
>man-made laws that they invented!
You're almost there McQueer. Lol

I'm glad we both agree he's objectively not sitting in prison for killinging 3 people lol

>>510494515
>with timestamp
Do you think I just have pen and paper available?
>I'll head out right now
Lol no you won't you tae kwon dodo bullied as a kid bitch. People who can fight don't do tkd.

>>510494536
> Kyle is free because the police didn't throw him in jail after he broke some laws they made up

Your argument btw retard.

>>510494536
It would be faster for you to define objective freedom.

>>510494598
Lmaooo fucking pussy. Quit spoofing your location faggot. You'll do nothing.

>>510494617
He can't. His retarded ass equated gravity to man-made laws. He's a dumbfuck lol.

>>510494687
I will say this: I have lots of straw left.

>>510494602
Thanks for agreeing :^)

>>510494747
Look at me I’m objectivity!

>>510494687
>He can't
I did. It's called context and nuance. Something you can't grasp

>>510494647
Still waiting. You've been making excuses to not show for a while now. Doesn't surprise me though, castratos like you don't exist in masculine environments. Over a decade in MMA gyms and 6 years in the military and nobody who does shit talks like your faggot ass.

>>510494747
Holy cope lol. Nice try bud.

>>510494789
Like grains of straw

>>510494687
>His retarded ass equated gravity to man-made laws
Nope. I equated our understanding though.

>>510494789
You equated gravity to man-made laws. I exposed your faulty logic. Cope bitch lol.

>>510494816
What cope?

>>510494802
Take a pic faggot. I'm waiting. You can even have your mom hold the camera champ.

>>510494802
>6 years in the military
I'm sorry for your loss.

>>510494858
I think you may have goofed.

>>510494859
Wrong on both accounts

>>510494888
>I'm waiting
Wrong pussy girl, I am.

>>510494858
> Umm Rittenhouse is free from man-made laws that would throw him in jail if he broke them.

Your argument btw.

>>510494910
>I didn’t hear no bell

>>510494802
thank you for your service
i hope that guy doesn't kill you

>>510494910
I was a young lolbert who joined under Obama so I could get training to fight FEMA lol no joke

>>510494970
>Umm Rittenhouse is free from man-made laws
Try less strawman next time

>>510494883
Your cope about man-made laws being objective like the force of gravity.

Does gravity exist independent of the human mind? We know "laws" don't.

>>510494963
Pics. I'm waiting.

>>510494970
His freedom stems from the fact he is objectively bound to obey said laws.

>>510495027
You don’t have any straw. That’s my straw.

>>510495076
Lol true

>>510495029
>Your cope about man-made laws being objective like the force of gravity.
I did no such thing

>>510495029
>Does gravity exist independent of the human mind?
Of course. But out understanding changes
>Gravitational waves were first directly detected on September 14, 2015,

It’s the very inability to do things that makes Kyle free, definitionally speaking.
I mean, objectively.

510495076
>he is objectively bound to obey said laws.
>>510495181
As are you

>>510476812
At this point athiesm is a branch of judaism, they're the best shabbos goys any rabbi could ask for

>>510495245
I know you are.

>>510485227
>Ekhart Tolle
Literally who?

>>510495201
Thanks for proving my point faggot. Equating the truth of gravity to man-made laws means you're retarded. Get fucked lol.

>>510495245
But I thought we were "objectively free" According to you?

>>510495366
>Thanks for proving my point faggot
You never made one lol
>>510495366
>Equating the truth of gravity to man-made laws
How did I do that exactly?

73E+C40R is clearly a scorned woman who just wants to argue for the sake of arguing.

>>510495423
Again,
See
>>510494789
>It's called context and nuance. Something you can't grasp
Thanks for proving me right.

Now hit me with another strawman

>>510475108 (OP)
>proves religion correct
Religion is man’s interpretation of God’s will. Man is imperfect (inherently flawed). Ergo, no religion is correct. Some are simply less incorrect than others. Keep searching Anon, you are on the right path. God = Love.

>>510495527
They don’t have the straw.

>>510495440
> Umm murder is objectively different from killing in self defense

Thats what you said. The definition of murder isn't universal you dumbfuck. It depends on the legalistic definition of that particular judicial system. IE: not objective.

Thanks for playing retard.

>>510495634
>Umm murder is objectively different from killing in self defense
Prove it isn't.

You won't be able too lol