To the family men of /pol/: How and Why? Im sorry to sound like an antinatalist but everything seems so fucked that the idea of bringing a new generation here seems almost like child torture. Our nations are fucked up beyond repair and there is scarce hope for any better, to me it seems like we are all just circling the drain. To bring a child here seems like you must be so deep in cope you are almost delusional. What sort of bright future do you guys envision for your kids?

>>510528735 (OP)
>how?
Literal high science and a generally loving disposition.
>why?
When you have eternal life and nearly perpetual inexhaustible resources, why not?
>can i have some?
NO! Get your own! >:O
Something something boot straps!
>literally makes the stock market available to anyone with half a brain and a will to learn
>infinite free education
Do you want someone to personally walk you across the finish line? (Pun mercilessly intended.)

>>510528915
Did you reply to the wrong thread or something? This answer seems difficult to follow, or maybe im just not that smart.

>>510528735 (OP)
Hope is for faggots, you just gotta do the best you can with the cards you have been dealt, my grandfather ate treebark inside his bread and got shot at by communists but never complained about anything other than warm beer in his life, you are just being a little bitch to be honest

>>510528735 (OP)
You're completely demoralized.
Faggot.

>>510528983
Can I make it any clearer?

I.

LIVE.

FOREVER!

I literally figured out life extension technology.

Sure, I'm not invincible but I have basically guaranteed that so long as someone doesn't stick their foot in my cycle, I can carry on existing forever.

>>510528735 (OP)
>the idea of bringing a new generation here seems almost like child torture
What a retarded thought, holy shit.
Examine what life is, how it works, how long it's been going and what your role in it is.
Fuck's sake, "child torture". Get the fuck over yourself and reproduce, dipshit.

>>510529122
There can only be one

>>510529122
>but why though
To justify bringing something into this world. So it might have a reason for being. And who knows, maybe learn to explore the stars or something. I really haven't got that far. Everyone just lost so much hope that I decided why not? I left all my methodology at various points throughout the planet so that it may be replicated. Governments attempted suppression, just made it spread faster, now they're fucked because they can't stop it from interfering with A) their nihilism and B) their religion. It was only thing guaranteed to obliterate them because I have had it up to here with everything they stand for.

>>510528735 (OP)
>bringing a new generation here seems almost like child torture.
if you settle with a good looking girl there's a high chance your kids will have pretty privilege and have a good life otherwise they're probably fucked

>>510529375
but even then they would be born to a world that is jewed and jeeted beyond hope, just to live empty lives of hedonism at best, without any meaning or optimism, no nation, no people. its obvious all of the western world will turn into brazil. just a retarded jewed hell of simian creatures and bo purpose.

>>510528998
>my grandfather ate treebark inside his bread and got shot at by communists
yes yes, so did mine and so did everuone elses in finland. ylu k ow what he did after the war? raised a family of 4 kids and a stay at home wife with a single income from his job at the paper mill. the village was full of children, all white, finnish and christian, the factory actually cared for its workers and the town by subsidising sports and cultural events like fairs, people were becoming wealthier every year, there was a general sense of belonging, purpose and infinite optimism for the future. his kids watched man take steps on the moon.
tell me, what sort of future does an average man, not much different from my grandfather in his time, have to look forward to?

>>510528735 (OP)
You either have children or you die.
What is the alternative?

>>510528735 (OP)
Ukrainians rape their kids. Death to Ukraine.

>>510528735 (OP)
Eschatological pessimism is for faggots that believe the world should end with their transitory existence, justifying it with geopolitical, ecological or psychological excuses, because you are infected by para-religious and narcissistic dysfunctions.

We are eschatological optimists.
We know things will eventually get better because you are going to disappear.

>>510529229
While you are mostly right...
Please understand that Europeans have different values than Americans.
Americans just want a big house or yard and they don't care if they are ruled by jews or if their country is entirely comprised by negros.

Europeans never cared much about material wealth. We cared about our genes, our nations and our communities.

Americans will pay for what they've done to us.
Have a nice day, anon.

>>510529814
You're just crying out in despair now.

There is no rational reason to have a child
Other than selfish nonsense like legacy or wanting to have someone care when your older

This reality is some demented torture rinse cycle

>>510530351
Now you know what you should fight for, together with your children.

Why are you so affraid of the challenge?
God wouldn't give us life in this time line if it wasn't for us to shine.

>>510531000
Speciation vectors do not concern themselves with the cries of failed experiments.

>>510531000
>>510529814
if the kids prefers not existing over existing he can just kill himself

>>510528735 (OP)
>everything seems so fucked that the idea of bringing a new generation here seems almost like child torture

to a weak faggot man maybe. people were pumping out babies while WALKING west across what is now the United States.

If you think today is "too fucked" then your bloodline needs to stop with you. But for the sake of the world, it should continue (if you are white).

>>510531344
>But for the sake of the world, it should continue (if you are white)
a 4chan whiny fingolian not breeding is good for society

>>510531344
why do americans live this sort of "le tough alpha male talk" so much? do they really think they are building back societal optimism and purpose by calling people faggots and pussies and telling them to pull up their bootstraps. i am not talking about how tough life is but how our nations have no future to look forwards to and our kids would just be circling the drain with no real hope for anything better than "i got mine" at the absolute best.

>>510528735 (OP)
We must protect something or whatever

>>510528735 (OP)
I just visited mom for her 63th birthday, and my 4-year old niece asked me:
>"Uncle, do you know what gender you want to be?"
She's parroting this from her Kindergarden.

>>510532718
> no real hope for anything better than "i got mine" at the absolute best.
what do you even mean? do you think most people in the past had some grand vision of life instead of being in almost constant struggle for food and land and generally not dying?

you can help your kids have better values and one gret way is to homeschool them away from the disgusting indoctrination centers run by governments everywhere. you can also raise them not having phones or computers or screens in general until much later in their lives instead of handing them all of that age 5.

>>510532901
exactly my point about the necessity of homeschooling, a very careful watch over who your kids hang around with, and an absolute absence of phones and screens in their lives.

>>510533220
>what do you mean?
new world individualism has to be a mental illness at this point. you cannot even imagine anything else. "i got mine" is your highest purpose. sorry but fuck no. that is a purposeless life.

The cattle does not question their motives. They are selfish, immoral and nearsighted, most of them do not really have principles or care about anything but themselves. While we abstain from sexual reproduction, 8 billion retards keep reproducing like rabbits.

I'm an antinatalist.

>>510533716
and im asking you to clearly define what you mean as a way to further the conversation. i dont want to start addressing something that you dont actual mean so please be a little more descriptive than a few vague buzzwords.

>>510528735 (OP)
The only way the average person can meaningfully move culture is by raising good kids with solid values. And if 4chan has taught you anything, it should be that *everything* is downstream of culture.

>>510534235
>The only way the average person can meaningfully move culture is by raising good kids with solid values
yep, well said. you can also join some good groups that are working towards things you value (my wife and i are members of a couple homeschool advocacy and legal support groups, for example) and perhaps engage in low level political lobbying by doing things like going to your local MP/Representatives open office hours to let them know that certain issues are important to you and others.

but sending your kids into the future with good values is really really important.

>>510534012
i want the welfare of my entire nation, i dont want to live in a bunker among utter desolation with your insane american "i got mine" attitude. is that really too diffixult for you to understand? i want my kids to have what my grandfather had which you can read in an earlier post of mine. a healthy community in a healthy nation with a healthy future that we could all share a belief in.

>>510528735 (OP)
Yeah, women worth marrying haven't been invented yet.

>>510528735 (OP)

>>510534723
>a healthy community in a healthy nation with a healthy future that we could all share a belief in.
and if you cant you refuse to have kids?
>your insane
look anon, theres no need to start being rude like that.

but thanks for answering the question. i understand a bit more of what you mean now. But how about what i asked previously:

>do you think most people in the past had some grand vision of life instead of being in almost constant struggle for food and land and generally not dying?

THAT has been the vast majority experience for most people ever. have you considered that what you want may be a figment of your imagination, or something that generally only appears in any kind of general sense during a war?

>>510528735 (OP)
simple, the world is bad because of bad people. if good people stop having kids, they win. We have a responsibility to create good people. Complaining that the world is too evil to bring a child into is giving up, but if you think you're too weak for it then maybe you shouldn't have kids
>what kind of future do you envision
when I was a kid, not everyone was fat and braindead yet. If they don't want to do something that's good for them, I just have to take them to walmart and go look, if you only want to drink soda and eat ice cream, you'll look like these people. Look how gross and sick they look.
If you only want to watch youtube slop, you'll think like these people, show them retards on the internet.
Also providing a good example goes an extremely long way. I work out in the basement and my 4 year old asked me the other day to help him do pullups because he sees me do them. And he eats eggs for breakfast every day instead of some sugar carb slop because he sees me eat eggs. they dont even have to grow up with any exceptional talents, they just need to be not fat and retarded and they've already outcompeted 90% of their cohort

>>510534988
Kill yourself JustPassingThrough.
KILL YOUR FUCKING SELF.
https://derpibooru.org/2065473

>>510535076
no, they did not have a "grand vision". instesd they had an inherent sense of belonging and intuitive optimism without cope.
and sorry but from my perspective your mindset is just simply insane. the american individualist mindset perfected.

>>510534723
your view of Americans is based on ultra-dense poorly-managed population centers where that kind of "I got mine" attitude is a symptom of larger problems. It's not a real representation of American values. On Sunday, my neighbor dropped what he was doing and came over to help me work for 11 hours in the hot sun on a project I needed help with, and I would do the same thing for him any day. Out here, we want all those same things. Healthy community is something you have to work at building, you don't just get it for free. And being a European, I don't expect you to fully understand American individualism, but you shouldn't pretend like we're all that different, because we aren't.

>>510535494
You're doing God's work anon.

>>510535642
>they had an inherent sense of belonging and intuitive optimism without cope
maybe sometimes they did, outside of the usual kinds of things like threats of war and invasion, plagues, economic downturns, drought/floods and so on, but you're being very vague still. How did this 'inherent sense' manifest itself? how did they live, in your opinion?

You can still live like this you know, despite whatever bullshit governments are working on around you. your sense of community and belonging and hope is not dependent on what they are doing.

> your mindset is just simply insane. the american individualist mindset perfected.
you dont even know what i believe yet. you havent asked.

>>510535901
very much this, thats why ive been trying to get him to be more descriptive instead of the muh ive got mine waffle. seems like a very narrow perspective at this point.