Lifting weights gets you nowhere with women just as working hard gets you nowhere financially. The whole thing is a psyop to prevent young men from quitting the workforce or revolting when they are young(men peak at 35 bro keep grinding).

Attractiveness and wealth is something you are born into and completely out of your control

>>510530541 (OP)
"Self-Improvement" is just a new version of "pull yourself up by your bootstraps". Morons always fall for the same bullshit from the right. They can't say "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" anymore because its been memed. So now its "self-improvement". Precise same talking point. Precise same grift. But with an only mildly new sheen on it and so idiots fall for it.

>>510530541 (OP)
>I take women on camera at their word

>>510530541 (OP)
Wrong. It's all about personality.

>>510530541 (OP)
Op needs to post his address so I can violently rape and murder him. He has posted this shit for 5 years.

Self-improvement is one of those things that loses it's value when in deficiency or excess. No self-improvement is like trying to chop down a tree with a dull axe, and making self-improvement your entire identity is like spending your life sharpening the axe but never approaching a tree.
Also, no more bumps for this gay thread

As a 34 y/o married with kids the best advice I can give you when it comes to women is to completely ignore when they say what they like/want.

>>510530859
>>510531036
You guys are ugly.

>>510530541 (OP)
>Attractiveness and wealth is something you are born into and completely out of your control
If you really wanted to have sex or a girlfriend youd have those things. Being alone is a choice OP. Literally nobody on earth has issues with women except you, even mentally handicapped people and deformed people have no problem

>>510530541 (OP)
Beach > gym

Find even one of those body bulders and ask them if they gained hundreds of pounds of muscle to get chicks... it doesnt happen. Your premise is fucked

>>510531343
Why else would you bloat your body to unnatural proportions and ruin your health? If it's not for women then it's for men and that's gay

Most learn by their late teens that roasties don't like muscles; the rest are either overt or repressed faggots.

>>510530541 (OP)
Men dont do taht for women. They get kinda addicted to lifting and body building and do it for themselves or other men.
Women like natural looking muscle.
Those guys are the male equivalent of those bimbo women with the biggest silicone tits, lip fillers and artificially sun tanned.

The reason working out is good advice for a level 1 starter man is because for a guybthat has nothing going on it teaches the building blocks of life. It teaches discipline. It teaches that results are slowly built over time and there are no real shortcuts. It teaches you that you get out exactly what you put in.

>>510530790
women have been proven to lie even in anonymous surveys, theyre the true jews of the world.

>>510530541 (OP)
Lel this is some real cope

>>510531263
How come you don't have those things?

>>510530541 (OP)
This is unbearable cope

>>510530541 (OP)
Why would I care about the opinion of a creature with silly pointy tits?

>>510531564
>>510531624
Found a pic of you.

>>510530541 (OP)
Why do you even excessive consider lifting weights as "self-improvement" when the only thing that improves is your chance to have a heart attack?

Also why do you do self-improvement for femoids or money?

>>510530541 (OP)
Gymcels are all closet homos. They will deny it but its blatantly obvious.

Women love me and my body

>>510530541 (OP)
>nooo don't be better, just be miserable!
Improve your bait and PAY DEBNTS

>>510530541 (OP)
Women virtue signal by pretending to not like muscular guys. I don't know why, but they do.

>>510531237
Nice try nigger.

>>510531790
Looks like Mike Israetel kek

>>510530541 (OP)
If you're swarthoid, then I agree, why even bother.
Improoving only works for white people.

>>510530541 (OP)
you should lift weights because it increases your testosterone.

>>510531237
>>510530850
>>510531790
>>510531899
Ask me how I know your skin is browner than the shit I just took
>>510531486
I got into fitness because I hate indians and I'm gonna need a strong back to hang them from lampposts
I bet op got bullied in school by his rugby team and personally resents anyone stronger than him

>>510530541 (OP)
Self improvement as a concept has merit. But as an industry its usually missing the point and usually a platform for grifters to rake in millions from the gullible and insecure who don't know any better about external validation being a dumb thing to chase.

>>510532136
>If you're swarthoid, then I agree, why even bother
Well 99% of lookism trannies are brown little goblinos who are so insecure they try projecting it on everyone else, I love it when these losers get doxxed and everyone gets to see how fucked up their lives are

>>510532335
You are a genetic dead end coping in the gym. It wont help anything other than make you more appealing to faggots which isnt really an issue for you, faggot.

>>510532020
No, women actually don't like those really muscular guys. It's one of the few things they are honest about.
>why?
1. There is no "genetic memory" or evolutionary past where these types of men were available, so there is no history of women mating with these men.
2. Being that big requires spending a LOT of time doing something that doesn't help the woman.
3. Being that big requires spending lots of money (not on her).

Women unironically view it as competition for resources
>is he going to spend time and money on ME, or is he going to use his time and money at the gym?

Anything past otter mode/ athletic is a waste. You're decreasing the total number of potential mates, while increasing your chances with the small amount of women who want really big guys.

tl;dr unless you're specifically going for the women who want huge men, you're hurting your chances.

>>510530661
that's not a nazi salute, and the romans never saluted like that
the golden dawn, however...

>>510530541 (OP)
you guys are such god damn fools.
No wonder you are all either way incels or sow-fuckers.

This woman is lying.
What she is really answering here is "who of them would not dump me immediately and give me a chance?"

It's a mach on equal levels - from her perspective/
Does she look any way like a woman which takes care about her looks? Is she > 7/10? No? Then why should she even try to go for self-improvers?

>>510531556
>It teaches that results are slowly built over time and there are no real shortcuts. It teaches you that you get out exactly what you put in.
no, it teaches you to take steroids because you get instant results instead of working like a retard. you know, the shortcut that lets you get out more than you put in?
the reason to do anything at all is because you get back more than you put in. i put in a bunch of seeds, and my garden will give me more back than i put in. the sun and the rain do most of the work.
the other reason to go to the gym is that wall street is heavily invested in fitness, so much so that they pay losers like you .10 a post to convince others to waste their time there and get testicular torsion when they aren't showering with other men.
so for anons that are slow on the uptake: all of the gym/workout shit you see here is paid for by wall street. govern yourselves accordingly.

I stopped going to the gym for 6 months and have done literally nothing except casual strolls around the city, and my physique basically didn’t change + my test levels increased. I’m literally bricked up 24/7 and have the most outrageous morning wood. What gives?

Wtf is the point in a gym membership, I wasted so much money on this shit

>>510533234
Gymcels stuck in the matrix?

It’s so over

Posing naked in the bathroom mirror is female behavior, heterosexual women aren't attracted to that
Now put those guys in good jeans, with a nice white t shirt on a motorcycle and ask again

>Being healthy and living a better life is bad.
Just take women's rights away

>>510530541 (OP)
Self improvement is more than just roiding and pumping iron.

Retard, you are justifying yourself looking like a fat slob and being stupid. Would you not agree that its better to get lean, and also pick up a skill or two? learn a new language? etc ?

Leftists truly are useless

>>510530541 (OP)
women aren't into steroid junkies? who could have known

>>510530541 (OP)
Doing anything for other people especially women gets you nowhere. If you want to exercise just do it because you enjoy it not to impress women.

>>510530541 (OP)
You stupid niggers. It's simple. Don't do roids. No need to hit the gym either, just buy a pull-up bar and dip bars. Look athletic, not ballooned-up. That's it, that's the big secret.

And it works because... pulling ourselves upwards is a fundamental movement pattern that our ape ancestors did all the time. Same thing with vertically pressing ourselves upwards to reach higher places. Basically, muscle-ups. You don't even need push-ups. Just pull-ups and dips.
>what about legs YOU CANT SKIP LEG DAY
You get quads from sprinting. Not those massive frog legs, just good, healthy, functional legs. And you improve your heart rate too.

That's literally it. You sprint, you do pull-ups and dips. And you'll get a great, attractive physique given your genetic limitations. That's why gym culture has been and always will be retarded.

Also, fun fact, as a cherry on top, Arnold has Jewish ancestry.

>>510530541 (OP)
Nah I started lifting and I'm getting A LOT of female attention and that's saying something because I already had a lot before I started lifting. I agree with most of the rest of what you said though.

>>510531561
Women cant recognize what they even like or want. Ive thought about it since I was 13. I think it goes back to erections. Males have an instant feedback back loop from childhood. I like thing, my peepee gets hard. My peepee is hard, i must like thing. To women its getting wet, but only sometimes, and them getting wet isnt always noticed by themselves either. Its stiffles their earliest self discovery/understandings of themselves sexually.

>>510533330
Just do callis twice a week and run once or swim and you will be okay.

>>510531623
Lol, people think women gave him that money?

>>510534240
Also I watched the clip and that bitch's face is mid as fuck and she has gross tits and I wouldn't even give her a second glance so IDC what she thinks

>>510533866
Women really aren't into steroid brutes.

Just like most men don't like these humongous asses on women, or their fake eyelashes or fake nails, most women really don't like the super jacked gym rat.
Physically it doesn't make their pussy tingle, and mentally they understand that he's going to spend his time and money on gym/supplements instead of on her.

Women are 100% selfish. Every dollar a man spends that isn't on her is "wasted".
Every minute that a man spends not making money or doing something for her is "wasted".

That's why there's no amount of work around the house you can do that will make a woman be OK with a man taking a nap on the weekend
>honey I worked 50 hours at work, and I did a bunch of yard work, I need a nap
Nope, she's seething about it and is debating whether she should roast you on social media

>>510534013
I’m contemplating the home calisthenics pill purely because gym workouts are

1) time consuming
2) technical when you have to constantly calculate volume, 1RM, progressive overload, periodisation
3) annoying because you have constantly cook a shitload of food, always eating and gorging, always shitting

It honestly feels like such a retarded lifestyle choice, and for what?

Idk though. Perhaps I’m doomed to gymcel hell. I hate it here lol

>>510530541 (OP)
Women are consummate liars and if you take anything they say at face value your are a naive retard.

>>510533330
The only thing wrong with this picture is the guy’s aesthetic. Nobody likes that ex military dad look except single moms.

>>510534482
I went home gym in covid and never looked back. Same rack same weights as gym. I believe this last year I broke even on cost since 2020. This year Im in the savings, though ironically Im going for lean. Dont care about muscle or strength anymore. Lean bod. As Im getting old and my joints ache alot from lifting, plus i have a genetic bad heart/valve and really any extra weight, fat or muscle, is harder on your heart.

>>510533234
>>510533537

>>510534482
The entire gym culture is a scam, much like modern labor is a scam. We aren't meant to work 8 hours a day and act like efficient cog wheels in a system. Even peasants under feudalism worked WAY less than we do.

And now people willingly, despite spending 8h at their Jewish daycare every day, lock themselves up for hours inside some hall with a bunch of other drones to stare at these sterile, lifeless contraptions due to their desperate hopes of increasing their chances with worthless sluts on some dating app.

It's time to stop wasting your time like that. Sprinting, pull-ups and dips will take drastically less time away and you'll still end up with an aesthetic, healthy body. Plus you get to go outside for the sprints. You feel the breeze on your face, the soil under your feet. You're alive. Psychologically, it's better for you on longterm. Fuck the gym. You owe it to yourself.

>Want to do pull ups
>Wrists and hands are frail
>Feel like my hands are going to snap off
What do?

>>510535131
My friend, get yourself a bucket full of rice. Look it up and look into it. Great for wrist health and forearm development. Never look back. Just a bucket and some rice will fix your issue in just 2 months of regular usage.

>>510533234

There's such a thing as moderation you know?
My apartment complex has a pretty good gym so I go there and lift for one hour four times a week.
I'm not spending a bunch of extra money, living at the gym or trying to become some roided out body builder type.

>>510530541 (OP)
Only genetic engineering can improve women.

>>510530541 (OP)
Nah women say this type of shit then physically starts stuttering and gushing over my friend on tren.

The biggest eye opener you will ever have is having a 7/10 friend who grooms and has a bodybuilder body. All women say it's to big then cant help themselves irl

>>510535560
Motherfucker, you are in every thread.

>>510535560
Facts.

>>510535560
Too bad that the ones doing the genetic engineering will not make you get what you want. What you'll get is total cattle-ification. You will be turned docile and complacent. Genetic engineering will result in the complete and perfect enslavement of mankind, not in whatever depraved sexual fantasies you're trying to push here.

>>510535560
Yiff in hell furfag

>>510530541 (OP)

>>510530541 (OP)
She's tailoring her answers to align with the framing of the question. Being presented with a bunch of obviously attractive men and asked to rate them presupposes you rate them low. This is a meme that is primary dominant in western countries

>>510535841
Haven't seen this cope before

>>510535560
Would lay between fluffy thunderthighs.

>>510530541 (OP)
Nah, tailless fefails are a scam.

>>510530790
>I take women on their word
>Captcha: HAHGJ

>>510530541 (OP)
Women absolutely do love muscles, they just don't love overroided manlets like the ones on the pics the guy has shown her.
Something like picrelated is really hot for women, but in some gymcel circles you'd be called skinnyfat DYEL with that physique

>>510531943
Body looks nice but the chest tattoo is absolutely horrible. Looks like a shit stain

>>510532020
Big ogre muscle scares women you tard

>>510530541 (OP)
>lesbian chudette with weird tits doesn't like muscles

>>510531943
Beaner

>>510530661
>teleports you to Zimbabwe
Try again sweatie...

>>510530541 (OP)
Bodybuilding is a sport nigga

>>510536581
Yeah women like lean more than jacked. Some women even perf dad bod at times.

>>510533127
Sometimes the things you can't get are actually shitty though ...

>>510532136
Ok you got me to google salt lamps. What does it do?

>>510536913

Which tatoo doesn't?

>>510531943
Wow, a lion and clockface tattoo. So unique and interesting!

>>510531943
>posts /fit/ meme on /pol/
>expects to get away with it

>>510530541 (OP)
>lifting weights
>being a fag on steroids

Anon, you suck cocks because adult men in your life raped you as a child.

>>510530541 (OP)
She isn't being honest.
Women and honesty are like water and oil.

It's funny reading through the thread as I see 90% of the posters miss the point entirely and just get triggered.

>>510535830
Kill yourself JustPassingThrough.
KILL YOUR FUCKING SELF.
https://ponerpics.org/2065473

They appear in the pupils.

>>510531943
Most basic bitch cliche tattoo imaginable, nice work.

>>510531429
>Why else would you bloat your body to unnatural proportions and ruin your health?
often times its a coping mechanism for past trauma. For me, I did start doing it to get girls, but ultimately I kept doing it because I liked the way it made weak men visibly afraid of me. The "snarky faggot" archetype of person instantly fades into the woodwork when a >6' man with muscles walks into the room. It's really nice.

>>510538183
And sometimes they are not.
Thats not helpful.

>>510535688
Checked.

>>510530541 (OP)
Only a moron would lift for a woman.

>>510535046
Or gee wiz I dunno, maybe build a gym at home? You do realize that the culture which created the heroic figure you posted...had public gymnasiums full of heavy objects and lifeless contraptions too! The modern gym is only insufferable because the modern person attending it alongside you is insufferable. We've been using machines to push our bodies beyond their limits for millennia.

>>510530541 (OP)
OP looks like this

>>510530541 (OP)
Just because some 5/10 woman says she doesn't like it, doesn't mean women in general don't like it.
Attractive people attract other attractive people, if you're an 8/10 you attract other 8/10s.

>>510530541 (OP)
your first mistake was listening to anything a roastie says
they always say wild shit and it never matches what they actually do

>>510530541 (OP)
>lifting for other people
ngmi

>>510530541 (OP)
>obvious roid monkeys
wait, we're surprised chicks dont give a shit about you looking like conan the barbarian?
lots of virgins around here.
pic rel

>>510530541 (OP)
You do it for yourself, not for pussy. The older you get the nicer it is to be fit.

You will all become savages if you listen to women. They are untrustworthy and date low iq scumbags.

>>510530541 (OP)
I agree mostly
Even without self improvement no one would ever do shit
And if you're not born into it, you still need things to occupy time and whatever self improvement activities you latch onto are better than gooning and drugs

>>510542140
>let the poor refugees in
>why do I feel so unsafe walking the street at night?

>>510530790
>>I take women at their word

>peak at 35

Peak cope

>>510530541 (OP)
I don't trust women..

>>510530541 (OP)
>Attractiveness and wealth is something you are born into
No it's not, your face and body become ugly depending on how evil you are. The bigger the ego, the more ugly. Weight lifters build muscle around their narcissism, they have no spiritual plight.

>>510533234
so I shouldn't lift because
>it teaches me to take steroids
>I get out of it what I put it and that is a bad thing
>wall street
>testicular torsion
got it thanks anon. good luck flopping around your garden.

>>510531237

>>510530541 (OP)
If you're lifting for women you're doing it wrong and will never achieve your goals

You can just lift a little bit....
Men who think Schwarzenegger type body looks good are the same as women who think being anorexic level thin looks good

Very muscular men are not attractive at all for women, expect maybe some brain dead bimbos. Only gay guys are attracted to this. And I tell you that as a woman who’s going over 4 times a week to the gym myself. I also know what my friends think as well. What matters is the face, the rest (like well-defined shoulders or pecs) is only a bonus, but we don’t really care, especially if the guy is funny, smart and good in bed. As for physical traits, I’m partial to a nice mop of hair and a muscular ass to grab, but that’s personal.

>>510530541 (OP)
Why do the lowest of low total fucking losers always assume everything is about women? Who gives a shit what women want? Women are mentally children, they don't know what the fuck they want and it changes with the time of the month. Soift if you want to because you want to, just like anything else in life. The irony is you think exactly like a women. They only think in terms of social hierarchy and sex is the ultimate measure of value, same as you. This is why women don't want you, they can sense desperate whiny little bitch energy from you.
>>510530661
Self improvement is literally just daily life. Are you genuinely shilling against having goals and working towards them now? >>510530850
Believe it or not women have minimum personality requirements just like for looks. They generally want a man with a casual normie chad attitude. I say this as someone who's tall and good looking but does not have the kind of personality women like. I've always gotten a lot of initial attention from women, quickly followed by disappointment when I don't talk or act the way they want me to. Big surprise, they want both, they want it all and believe they deserve it all like they always do because women are natural narcissists.
>>510533330
Probably over training. Been there. High T, a good diet and regular physical activity will preserve the bulk of your strength and muscle for longer than most realize. Also the longer you have been lifting you'll find you retain and regain lost strength after breaks better and better. I recently went nearly 3 years without lifting, only lost about 30% of my strength, got most of it back in a few months just with greyskull.

>>510531943
Most roided bulgarian

>>510531943
Horrible tattoo. Also, waxing your chest hair is pretty gay imo

>>510530541 (OP)
Women. Are.not attracted to men, because they are lesbian by nature.
So.do not expect women to like men"a.bodies.
Women like only feminine looking men with feminine features, faces, lips, bodies and so on, because they remind them of women.

>>510533234
>take steroids because you get instant results
That's not really how steroids work. They effectively work by drastically speeding up recovery, so a person on steroids can benefit from from doing a lot more work, where it would normally be detrimental and you'd have wait longer to recover. I know people hate to hear it but steroids dont do all the work for you, they increase the limit of how much work you can put in and still benefit from it before hitting over training territory.

>>510549063
You'll build more muscle taking steroids for 10 weeks and sitting on your ass than someone who lifts for the same 10 weeks.

>>510531790
In Florida, about 75% of the Men are bald or balding. Women have no other choice to date. If you are bald and dateless, come to Florida. BUT the women are shit. They have been run down by 150 guys before settling or will cheat on you with another balding guy from the office.

>>510530541 (OP)
This bitch is picking the men she knows she can get away with putting through her shit-test bullshit without getting her shit pushed in. She is a post-wall roastie who wants a male she can control. Her opinion is invalid.

>>510549245
>someone
Maybe at suicidal dosages, I forget some people really go full retard with them. I've lifted with a lot of people who use steroids over the years, older guys on TRT, etc. It seems like they just allow your body to keep up with cramming several weeks of training into every one week. I still see them putting in the work year after year, honestly more work than natty lifters because they physically can do more work. Meanwhile the people who are always complaining never stick to it. I never understood why people hate on steroids as much as they do, it feels like people use it as an excuse not to train.
>that other guy can train more than I can it's not fair
>I guess I should just give up then
Bitch mentality. Life isn't fair. Go do roids then, or don't, life is full of choices. Make more choices and less excuses.

>>510530541 (OP)
What the heck is your problem? She rates all the guys that obviously take steroids with 0 to 4, and the guy not taking roads but working out hard with an 8.
That's a completely reasonable rating, and shows that you don't have go roid to look good.

>>510531943
don't see any women on your picture. just one lonely fag

>>510530541 (OP)
Most women prefer a man who is muscular but slim. Men think the bulky style that men like is preferred by a large portion of women.

>>510530541 (OP)
If you're doing anything for women you've already failed. Even the stuff they actually want you to do, if you do it consistently, they will begin to find it repulsive.

>>510551138
this is not true. it might be that they begin to find *you* repulsive over time.

>>510531036

/thread

>>510530541 (OP)
calisthenics bros we fucking won, again
roidtrannies gymrat incels get the rope
>can't muscle up / do a pullup
>can't backflip
>can't handstand
lmao

How is this a 126 reply thread? Why the fuck do you care?

>>510531036
Truth

>>510550464
No, at regular doses. There's more to steroids than simply 'enabling recovery'

The compounds themselves instruct the body to build muscle, there's just no way around it. If you take two untrained people and stick one on juice for 10 weeks while the other lifts, juice man will have more muscle mass by the end of it.

>>510530541 (OP)
Wow her tits are awful. Those are anti-tits. vibe killer nipples. Boobs you wouldnt probably suck on

>>510530541 (OP)
Things will never change until the intelligence agencies, military-industrial-complex lairs and defense contractor facilities are stormed and the glowniggers and parasites who work there are executed and the data they collect is leaked to the public so that the rest of these government assets, zogbots, mercenaries, moderators, glorified jannies and authority figures can be hunted down and exterminated.

>>510530541 (OP)
>1pbtid
Sage, anons for fuck sake womens opinions dont matter, feminism only exists because men let it

>>510538463
I think it's just a humidity thing

>>510530541 (OP)
The only scam here is listening to what women say instead of watching what they do.

>>510530541 (OP)
Your slide threads are gay as fuck and anyone lifting weights to impress anyone else especially women is so fucking gay. I do shit to impress others! WHAT A FUCKING FAG. You do stuff for yourself and not bettering yourself because I still can’t touch puss puss is the gayest fucking excuse. So your entire life is dictated by women you don’t even fuck? I wouldn’t let women I fuck dictate a thing I do. Gay fucking thread by a gay kike in shitrael, prove me wrong or kill yoursef you rent a kike clown

>>510530541 (OP)
Taking some tiny flapjack tit rectangle glasses hippy nobody nothings opinions as anything more than that….

>>510530541 (OP)
Women are the platonic form of scam.