>“The effort of the nation must be equitable. We must ask little of those who have little, and more of those who can do more,” Bayrou said on Tuesday.

>>510533599 (OP)
Killing the rich is objectively good for the ecosystem. You do not own the world. God is.

>>510533599 (OP)
Because they're not "Top Performers" they've just inherited all their money. Hell, their family fortunes are usually built on exploitation, racketeering, monopolies, and fraud.

/pol/ is full of literal socialists, like how the fuck do you come up with something like this >>51053380 unless you literally live on antiwork subreddit 24/7

>>510533877
meant to quote >>510533801

>>510533599 (OP)
They are not punishing the top performers, they are kicking them out.

Sure, everybody will get poorer in average, but the economy will go to shit for everybody equally

>>510533599 (OP)
>top performers
>look inside
>"best" at gambling (the stock market)
There's a reason merchants were at the bottom of the social hierarchy in pre-Meji Japan. They were even below peasants. They contribute nothing to society. They are just middle men who extract value OUT of the economy.

>>510533599 (OP)
>have worlds highest % of GDP from taxation
>tax the wealthy white people even more
>whatever you do, dont stop the constant influx of niggers from africa
great idea commies, you're so original

You can not tax your way to prosperity.
This is a trick to deflect from the real problems....

>>510534829
>You can not tax your way to prosperity.
you literally can. But you need to be a homogeneous protestant northern european high-trust society.

Hey, mon ami, we got these golden visas...

>>510535160
you literally cannot, nordic countries started experiencing deficit in the early 80s long before the diversity arrived. how in the fuck does the government know better how to spend your own money than you do? just do everybody in this socialist shithole a favour and stop breathing

>>510535160
Sounds to me like it would be a prosperous society either way

>>510533599 (OP)
In what they perform better than me?

>>510533599 (OP)
>helping out your fellow citizens is "punishment"
So this is the power of western individualism

>>510535417
It's not my money. It's the money of foreign multitrillion megacorporations. Or it should be, but cuckoomus likes it the other way around. Also they sold all government property to foreign (((investors))) basically giving them taxation rights over the populace and they hike up the price several times higher than the government ever did. (Caruna, Digita, Destia etc. etc.) If you are so worried about taxation, then you should be calling for the nationalisation of these foreign owned companies that have a literal monopolistic taxation right over the Finnish population.
>>510535505
Possibly but less so. It wouldn't for example have good digital services where 99% of your interaction with the state (loicences etc.) is one click away. It would be closer to Belgium or whatever where you have to send MAIL and physically wait in queues in some government office just to get some permit for something. Starting in 2026 you can even get building permits digitally here.

>>510533599 (OP)
i hate to give commies a win but the modern fiat economy is 100% a fucking scam. you don't get rich doing hard work, you get rich by tricking other people into working for you

>>510536333
>giving all the money to failing state run programs and niggers...
corrected it for you

>>510536449
its not your money because youre either a neet or work some 2k/month alepa job
fuck off with this "its only da foreign billionaires" shit, get a fucking job that earns you some money and then start talking about taxation again

>>510536482
>tricking other people into working for you
tells me how that works.
>inb4 mu exploitation of the proletariat

Are these the same rich people that the left claims doesn't pay taxes?

So if they don't pay taxes anyway, what difference does it make which rate the taxes are?

>>510533877
It signifies they view the only ones genuinely deserving of wealth as either themselves or industrial oligarchs

>>510533599 (OP)
The Timeless Truth About Tyranny According To Aristotle. He predicted that governments would prefer foreigners and hate its people.

https://youtu.be/2gkYbrzMAE4?si=eFxyzmjeydjFf5hr

>>510536642
>get a fucking job that earns you some money and then start talking about taxation again
this. a medium income job here will already mean your basic monthly taxation (income tax, mandatory 'contributions' to shitty state run pension plans etc) can easily exceed $4-5K. when socialists start talking about 'taxing the rich' you have to understand that their definition of 'the rich' is constantly being made lower and lower on the scale.

WHen they talk about it they loudly decry muh brirrionaries and trirrionaires but what ends up happening is that tax rates go up for anyone earning slightly above average.

>>510536800
when in reality, the top 10% of earners usually pay about 90% of all income taxes as it is.

>>510536642
>t. Nalle Wahlroos

>>510533599 (OP)
the top performers are just the lazy that pay their workers that do everything next to nothing; you should know this by now

they even made it more clear with all the layoffs that have been happening over the past four years, as CEO compensation increased

>>510536954
>>510537017
Almost got me nice one

>>510537328
is that the best you can do as a refutation of what i said? ive paid that much tax monthly working a job most people think is for retards.
you can check the amount of taxation different earning groups pay. the % i mentioned is for the US, but its not that different in most places.

>>510537328
in reality top 1% pays something like 45%
hey guess what happens when the rich people flee because unfortunately global communism hasnt been enacted yet? thats right, your taxes go up while the government services paid by those taxes get worse

>>510537555
correct. thats why they start increasing taxation on the next levels down from the ebil billionaires - because now the middle class are considered to be 'the rich' and must naturally be squeezed even harder.

>>510537459
Man hooking up grok to make bait post must be one of the laziest way to troll

Imagine being some working class pleb and being worried about some millionaire not being to afford 10 luxury cars but only 9...

> raise taxes on the rich
> the flee to the USA

>>510538127
i genuinely dont understand how this level of economic retardation is even possible in the age of the internet, as if everything happens in a vacuum

>>510533599 (OP)
They're all going to Belgium, Switerzerland ot he UAE. It's all downhill from here.

>>510533599 (OP)
i wouldnt call people who count on infinite wealth while producing nothing top performers

>>510538396
infinite growth*

>>510538062
keep thinking that if it makes you feel better anon. what ive said is easily verified but the fact that you're not putting in the slightest bit of effort to find out is interesting.

>>510538062
or is it that you find the idea of paying $4k in tax per month unbelievable? in Canada, its very very believable anon. losing 40-45% of your earnings per month right off the check is how it is.

>>510533599 (OP)
Something tells me they're gonna keep taxing them more.

>>510533599 (OP)
Look, we need money to pay the imaginary debt we owe to ourselves.

We can't cancel the 13 billions we donate yearly to the third world for development aid.
We can't cancel the billions we spend on welfare for legal and illegal immigrants.
We can't cancel the billions we spend in funding left-wing NGOs

So we gotta find money somehow.

>>510533599 (OP)
The rich will liquidate and leave with what they can. The government will collect the scraps and then have no more rich people to tax next year.
if you wealth, you get less of it. This is not good for the economy.

>>510538874
i hope you guys haven't been skimping on war funds for Ukraine. thats would be terrible too.

The brown spiteful mutants don't know any better.
Pathologically communists ike all lesser races and mutants.

>>510533599 (OP)
You think thevery rich pay taxes?

This is about ensuring the middle class cannot become the upper class.

>>510533599 (OP)
Taxes are not punishment.
The wealthy make use of other people to make their wealth. Government spending is mostly spent on the care of the people of a nation. Think of taxes on the wealthy as paying for the upkeep on the people that allow the wealthy to be wealthy. No wealthy person is having to give up anything by paying more in taxes. They just add more wealthy slightly slower.

I don't like taxes as a government policy but with the current monetary system it's the only way to even attempt to balance the books. France like every other nation after covid is deeply in debt and needs to take corrective action to avoid civil war levels of unrest. The wealthy should be willing to pay more to avoid the dirty peasants showing up at their door.

>>510537555
>in reality top 1% pays something like 45%
>hey guess what happens when the rich people flee because unfortunately global communism hasnt been enacted yet? thats right, your taxes go up while the government services paid by those taxes get worse
Did you know the USA collects taxes on it's citizens globally in every nation if their income is about a set amount? The only way to avoid it is to renounce your citizenship and the USA doesn't let non citizens take their wealth out of the USA without taking a cut.

>>510533599 (OP)
How is raising the taxes on the rich rewarding the poor?

>>510533599 (OP)
>punishing the top performers

Yeah I'm sure the sales marketing employee at McDonalds France making 300k a year is contributing infinitely more to society than the teacher making 40k a year who specializes in helping gifted kids find interests that will help them become surgeons, engineers, researchers, etc.

>>510539429
>Government spending is mostly spent on the care of the people of a nation
LOL, now THATs good bait.

>>510533599 (OP)
>why is punishing the top performers while rewarding the lazy fuckers considered just
Because things suck. If things suck then the people on top should be punished, if things don't suck then the people on top should be rewarded. That's how you create an incentive to make things not suck. It's that simple. If you reward the people on top when things suck then things will keep getting worse. If the rich didn't want to be punished then they shouldn't have created a society that sucked. Rewarding people who created a shit society is the opposite of meritocracy.

This is what the boomer right doesn't understand. If things were better in the past then the people on top *in the past* should've been rewarded, but if things suck today then why reward the people on top today? Why reward them for turning society into a massive stinking pile of shit?
>But they're successful!
What are they successful at? Why should being successful at destroying society be rewarded? Success isn't automatically good. Being successful at doing bad things is bad. Successful murders shouldn't be rewarded just because they are successful because you need to ask what they are successful at. Murder is bad, therefore successful murderers are bad. I will support tax breaks for the rich etc if the rich use their power to create a society that doesn't suck a dump truck full of dicks, but if the rich use their power to create the hell of modernity then tax them to death to disincentivize turning society to shit.

>>510533599 (OP)
The rich can compound their asset base. The poor cannot. The mover flows back to the rich anyway via the poor spending more and asset prices going up.

>>510539828
Even if you exclude things like military spending and aid to other nations, what's left is almost exclusively spent on services for citizens by some means and it's the massive majority.

Although after covid the amount spent on interest payments is not top 3 for spending, which is really just paying for unfunded care delivered in the past.

>>510533599 (OP)
Lol Switzerland about to take a bunch of more Frankish refugees

>>510533599 (OP)
Your top performers are nothing more than trust fund babies who even if you took millions of dollars from would still be richer than 99.99% of the world.

>>510534018
>Sure, everybody will get poorer in average
The problem is that GDP etc literally doesn't matter. Poland has a lower GDP than France and I would much rather live in the former. It doesn't even have anything to do with the niggers. On purely economic grounds I would rather live in Poland. The metrics for measuring wealth have become completely divorced from reality. The amount of work required for basic necessities in high GDP countries far exceeds that in mid GDP countries. Everyone I know in Poland with a university degree has a house in their early 30s, while literally nobody here does unless they were born into money. Food costs literally nothing there. When it comes to the stuff that actually matters, ie wife, house, food, etc, "poor" countries are richer than "rich" countries.

>>510538127
>>510538217
yeah its retarded. the rich people have the money to buy tv channels or websites or just pay a lot to push their ideas.
when I was a kid I remember Fox news telling me that unions were just lazy greedy people who wanted more money for doing less. but then I look at my aunt and uncle in a union for their industry, and its probably the only thing keeping them living in a decent middle class home, and they do work hard. without unions every job would just fire all the natives and hire cheap immigrant labor to half ass their products and keep wages low.
their propaganda convinces people that if you don't like the same families keeping all the power and wealth and passing it down within their family, well then you're just jealous/ a communist. They believe that rich people getting richer in their nation will trickle down to them. that if you work hard and do the right thing you can be rich too. despite that being nearly impossible today, but it does rarely happen. someone invents something or gets lucky. but most people are going to stay in the class they were born in. if you were born in a rich family, you are gonna be alright, if you're born poor you're gonna stay that way 99.9999% of the time

>>510533599 (OP)
>top performers
Top performers in what?

>>510540016
its just the way you phrased it as being 'care' that seemed funny and bait like. when you consider the state of basic medical care (hundreds of thousands without even a primary care physician, wait times for basic scans etc, and no preventive care programs to speak of) and the roads just for two aspects, it's comical to think of the government 'caring' for anyone here...expect maybe the gorillions of jeets and other non-whites recently imported, who tend to get actually taken care of.

>>510539828
>>510540016
On paper it's spend on things like healthcare, education etc. In practice huge swathes of the healthcare, education etc budgets just go to shit like mandatory "diversity consulting" for doctors, nurses, teachers etc. These consultants charge huge sums, and all coincidentally happen to be close friends with left wing politicians and it's totally not just a socially acceptable way to funnel huge amounts of public money into private hands that leftists will cheer for rather than get mad at.

>>510533599 (OP)
isn't this what fucked over hollande

>>510540572
You need to distinguish between propaganda pull and propaganda push. Most people aged 40 or younger on "the right" are there because of propaganda push, not propaganda pull. That is to say, they grew up in left wing cultural bubbles consuming almost exclusively left wing propaganda, but the net effect was that it alienated them and pushed them right. For example I've literally never read a right wing paper, watched a right wing media channel etc. I grew up in a leftist bubble and came here to talk about how creepy the anti-white etc shit is. Bam, now I'm the far right. When leftists act like I got here by watching fox news etc it just makes them seem out of touch and even further alienates me from them.

>>510540764
yeah, the mass wastage and inefficiencies was what i was getting at. to term this kind of set up as 'care for the people' was just too much lol

>>510540694
Well you don't have an average lifespan of 82.7 years without a healthcare system. So be mad about how it's not perfect but it's clearly working to give people the longest life span in all of history and one of the highest in the world. It would be better if medical accidents wasn't the 3rd leading cause of death but it's still about half the cost of the US system in terms of GDP spent on care.

The government provides care in terms of laws and regulation and enforcement of those laws. Protecting property rights, supplying a currency that is accepted, universal education.

I honestly think the government should fuck off for most of it's spending and fire half of the government work force, but I say that understanding as well as anyone can just how much government does provide for us.
You don't worry about your city being invaded and pillaged, or your money being flat out rejected because it's not trusted in trade. Those realities that have been true for most people for most of history.

the elite class has thoroughly won the class war. to stop the parasitic internationalist elite we would need a global effort so no dark corner remains where they could possibly hide - this isnt possible. we lost, the elites win. if youre a normalfag like me you should spend every day thinking about how you and your family could stop being normalfaggots and join up with the elite. thats the only way to have a good life now. everything else got niggered to shit solely to serve the interests of those elite few.

politics has deteriorated to massaging the balls of international mega companies and other richfags 24/7. no one give a fuck about us, the elite owns everything and controls everything

>>510533599 (OP)
I recently changed my mind on this. It's not punishment. We have tried going easy on the "top performers" for decades now and I think it's fair to say it doesn't work. Do we want to end up like the US with homeless tent cities and fentanyl zombies roaming the streets of our decaying cities? Nations need money to sustain the things that are for some reason taken for granted: an educated and healthy population with enough money to buy stuff, modern infrastructure, orderly and clean cities, etc those things didn't just fall from the heavens like manna, they have been built and sustained with money, money that's now missing.
There is also the problem that old money is causing more problems in politics than it solves, these people use their influence to push politicians who will always prioritize their well being over the general population. It's how we get taxes and regulations that are fucking over small business owners and the average employee while the super rich seem almost never affected by them, you are not part of the "club" so you get to eat shit. This is how you get retards who want to disown the super rich or vigilantes like Luigi, eventually people just have enough and lash out. This is a recurring theme in history, which is why it's not a punishment. It helps the rich just as much as it helps the poor.

>>510541432
>but it's clearly working to give people the longest life span in all of history
and yet i, and thousands like me, can't even get on the books of a family doctor after years of waiting! longevity comes from lots of things other than a nice state run medical system - it comes from decent food, water, housing and lifestyle in general.
Sure, i and my family can walk in the ER with a problem (its our only way of accessing the healthcare system at this point, same as for many many people), but that goes for almost anywhere else in the world.

>half the cost of the US system in terms of GDP spent on care.
a large part because you can actually choose to pay for something if you really really need it and can't wait 18 months (lots of leafs go to the US for this reason) and that the US is the world leader in developing new meds and procedures, and they end up paying the most for it upfront so the companies can make their money back.

keep in mind canada has things like MRI machines at per capita levels of 3rd world countries. shitty government wastes so much fucking money, and then loads the country with millions of extra needy jeets, and thats why the medical system is failing.

>>510533599 (OP)
The pensions are sucking the country dry. There's eventually going to be a revolution against boomers and younger people will just illegally cut off the pensions and redistribute old peoples assets. Who would stop them?

>>510542479
>and yet i, and thousands like me, can't even get on the books of a family doctor after years of waiting
What do you need one for? Don't actually answer but unless you are chronically ill you don't need a family doctor which is why you don't have one.
>a large part because you can actually choose to pay for something if you really really need it and can't wait 18 months (lots of leafs go to the US for this reason)
Almost none do. Less than 1% of the population actively using the healthcare system.
>and that the US is the world leader in developing new meds and procedures, and they end up paying the most for it upfront so the companies can make their money back.
That's retarded propaganda cope corporate ass licking Americans tell themselves to try and feel better about getting ripped off.
Every large US drug company pays more in advertising than they do for R&D. You can look that up on their balance sheets to check.

Every healthcare system in the world pisses away staggering sums on over priced nonsense. A 4 button controller for a patient lift costs over $200 to buy a replacement and it's just 4 contacts that run two different DC motors one way or the other. An overpriced console game controller with motion controllers, haptic feedback, a touch pad, lights, and 16 buttons in only $70, a competitive market priced one is $30.

>>510543320
>What do you need one for?
are you joking? everyone, in every civilized country, is on the books of a doctor. otherwise you have to go sit in the ER for 8 hours everytime you need any kind of medical assistance. you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.
>Every large US drug company pays more in advertising than they do for R&D
so? even if thats true, thats how you make money with a new product. its just part of doing business or you dont make enough back to cover anything.
>Every healthcare system in the world pisses away staggering sums on over priced nonsense
most western ones do because they are all socialist state run entities.

>>510533599 (OP)
The problem isn't that the rich are getting taxed because the rich are achieving their status within a society of people that have created and actively support the system that facilitated the generation of such wealth. The real problem is where these taxes are going and that is not to facilitate further business and living standards for the people that deserve them, but is all instead being sunk into maintaining the leeches.

>>510543573
>are you joking? everyone, in every civilized country, is on the books of a doctor. otherwise you have to go sit in the ER for 8 hours everytime you need any kind of medical assistance. you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.
Your family doctor isn't going to help you with an emergency medical need, and if you aren't having an emergency you shouldn't be going to the EMERGENCY ROOM. Go to a walk in clinic.
>so? even if thats true, thats how you make money with a new product. its just part of doing business or you dont make enough back to cover anything.
You said that the USA has to pay so much because they are funding R&D and new products and drugs and methods. I pointed out that R&D is not the driving force of the cost of that, it's marketing.

It's like spending 100 million to make a move then spending 400 million on marketing and now having to earn more than a billion in total sales to break even.

>>510544075
>Your family doctor isn't going to help you with an emergency medical need,
of course not
>and if you aren't having an emergency you shouldn't be going to the EMERGENCY ROOM
sounds good
>go to a walk in clinic
what if there aren't any? if you live in or close by a big city you're fine, but lots of people dont.
But your concept of people not needing to be on the books of a family doctor (or GP, as they call them in the UK) is laughable. They are called Primary Care physicians for a reason. walkins are for when the ER thinks you're not quite at their level of emergency so they shunt you over to one of those. but not everywhere has those. These days, the ER is the only place many people can go due to the lack of Family Doctors. how can you not know this?
>I pointed out that R&D is not the driving force of the cost of that, it's marketing.
and you're ignoring the point that you can spend all you want a new product but if you dont market it, your sales will be in the shitter.
You can be sure they aren't spending that much on marketing and sales for the fun of it.

The time when a man could support a wife and 2 kids, afford a house and 2 cars all of a single job in a rando factory, was the same time when the rich payed 90% taxes.

>>510533599 (OP)
Taxes do nothing aside from pushing corporations to do their business elsewhere.
The rich keep getting richer and the middle class keeps shrinking.
Too many people with too little to lose isn't a good thing for anyone. Things might end going the way of the French royalty for our new ruling class.