https://x.com/StopKilingGames/status/1944132911537463502

>EU Vice President has signed the SKG petition.
What the fuck?
How will game devs make money now? How is everyone in the EU so united on this? i thought they were all different countries.

>How will game devs make money now?
By being competent.

Isn't this kinda a conflict of interest? He better recuse himself.

I like the idea of the only opposition to SKG are big corporations and some schizos on /v/

>>510582931 (OP)
We want to own the games we buy, that's all there is to it.

>>510582931 (OP)
We want to own the games we buy, that's all there is to it.

>>510582934
>opposition
no they're just trolling. i can tell because i haven't laughed in 5 days

you dont buy a gacha game
gotcha

>>510582935
you bought a service license with a related agreement that you had to accept before using the software.
i suggest reading it sometime.

>>510582939
The Law > Game TOS
I suggest you get familiar with this phrase because we're changing the law to be pro-consumer, i.e. we own what we buy.

>>510582940
There is no current law lol and SKG isn’t retroactive.
You bought a license to access a service.

>>510582931 (OP)
Guess he wants MMOs to die. No more adventures. Absolute insane behavior.

>>510582941
Read it again.

>>510582931 (OP)
I voted for SKG in hopes it snowballs and results in general consumer rights protections, especially if it hits DRM, forced ads and predatory subscriptions

>>510582942
just release the code once you are done

>>510582931 (OP)
EU parliament vice president is a literal who

>>510582942
This is still going. Want to guess as to why?

>>510582942
>MMOs to die
I just signed the petition

>>510582946
also the president word is misleading
you could translate it as "speaker" so the guy is a vice-speaker

>>510582932
>Millions of dollars to make game
>Unable to produce anything of quality that's profitable and fair for the consumer
lol

>>510582931 (OP)
Nothing ever happens

>>510582947
Eat my entire ass dude.

>>510582931 (OP)
I have no problem with EUsians being banned from my live service games.

by relying on quality game design and not cheap exploitation of base human instincts

I actually hope the ferret fucker kills himself soon enough

>>510582942
>Guess he wants MMOs to die
Ok where do I sign?

>>510582950
Profit is not fair, you can't make money fairly, you have to exploit something or someone.

Just get an intern to spend a week coding an offline mode this is really not that impactful

spinning this into being about digital planned obsolescence (also covering client-side support of app-based devices) could get more euros on this.

>>510582931 (OP)
He's Romanian. Of course he wants to bring us back to the shit days of 3rd world countries like his being able to run cracked copies and pirate servers of games like CS 1.6 without having to pay for them.

>>510582933
>"I see, so you want this regulation on asbestos use on new homes to be illegal?"
>"However, I see that there is a conflict of interest here, as you seem to live in a house."

>>510582931 (OP)
>How is everyone in the EU so united on this
You take
We give

It turns out people giving eachother things works a lot better for society globally, than people taking stuff.

The patent and copyright laws were pushed by the US using tariffs and guns.
Now trump uses guns and tariffs...
We can just move away from this 70year copyright and dcma nonsense, and other nonsense.

You no longer make the rules. We do now.
Dumb dogs simply need taming and a leesh, and they'll obey because they're selfish, meaning, very easy to manipulate, predict and control. You don't make anyone happy, not even yourselves. You shouldn't be surprised people, even your own people retaliate to your rule.

The meritocratic tyranical dystopia will fall. We will end the elite's attempt to transform capitalism into wealth-based feudalism. No more renting.
No more pressuring and forcing people to upgrade. No more reselling the exact same shit to us.
No more skipping out on features and making games duller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOQbEBcQ0bo

>>510582952
>anti-SKG faggot is into analingus
Checks out.

>>510582960
You mean like right now?

>>510582960
How does that affect you personally?

Why is literally every single retard against this misunderstanding it, does nobody read and just say things

>>510582966
>Why are shitposters shitposting on contrarian /v/
It's a mystery.

Who cares? EU will be destroyed and partitioned between USA and Russia within 5 years tops.

>>510582939
That's cool, but I want to own the software

>>510582960
>He's Romanian. Of course he wants to bring us back to the shit days of 3rd world countries like his being able to run cracked copies and pirate servers of games like CS 1.6 without having to pay for them.

>>510582931 (OP)

>>510582931 (OP)
Shut up and put the fries in the bag, that's how.

>>510582937
God damn you made me think back to the last time I found a troll funny and it was definitely not on 4chan for a good few years. It's all buzzwords repeated like Harry Potter spells to achieve magical effects these days.

>>510582932
>By being competent.
LOL
>We made a fun game
>NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! WHERE ARE THE BOOOOBS!!! I NEED TO CUUUM!!!!! AAAAHHH
>sorry she has b cups
>IMCOMPOTENCE!!!!! FAIL!!!!! DESERVED!!!!! *chokes on spit*

>>510582931 (OP)
OH NO! HOW WILL GAME COMPANIES MAKE MONEY NOW THAT GAAS THAT HAS EXISTED WAY AFTER VIDEO GAMES STARTED BEING SOLD IS BEING OUTLAWED!?!?

>>510582941
The good thing is that even is SKG isn't retroactive, there are hardly any worthwhile dead games it doesn't cover. It's all about the future.

Keep up the good fight, don't let leftoids push skg shit through

>>510582931 (OP)
>How will game devs make money now?
Same way they did before they found a way to steal peoples property via the internet. By making new games worth buying.

>>510582931 (OP)
NOOOO why can't big corporations steal from poor common people?!

>>510582974
>layoffs
>studio closes
>go to the studio gates to scream
Kek!

>>510582974
You know this passive aggressive attitude you have is the reason people dislike you. That mentality of thinking we owe you a job because we play and buy games doesn't translate well when you're such an unlikable piece of shit.
So keep it up, I hope you lose your job faster.

>>510582980
>YES! That was because of US! We Did that!
>no one hears the irrelevant man talking to himself, alone in his room.
>he continues to not matter at all

>>510582981
>You know this passive aggressive attitude you have is the reason people dislike you.

>>510582941
>SKG isn’t retroactive.
I'm fine with that

>>510582983
>Why did the chuds that I hate with every fibre of my being because I'm a sexless troon autist not pay my wage anymore!
It's a real mystery why you were fired Anon, truly.

Old /v/ would have 100% supported this.
This board is full of Nintencvcks and contrarian faggots who are far too willing to bend over to be mounted by coporations if it meant it was to own the "poorfags" and their boogeymen.

>>510582957
We should exploit the rich since they have the most resources to profit from then.

>>510582982
I can buy games because I have a job. I matter a little more than you

>>510582942
>kill MMO
pls kill them all

>>510582985
>the game not made for the incel coomer audience failed because they didint play it!

They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

>>510582974
Tune down your autism

>>510582942
oh no bros... no more mmos... i'm gonna fucking puke if i can't play a piece of shit skinner box grindfest for the next five years of my life...

What the FUCK is wrong with this guy??

>just give us your server binary
>it doesn't werk
>okay, just give us your source code
>it also doesn't werk because 3rd party code is missing
>wtf
>just break copyright regarding the 3rd party code
>the commie EU demands it
Do you see how fucking retarded SKG is? You fags haven't thought this through for a single minute.

>>510582994
>two replies
>10 hearts
Stop screencapping literal whos as an authority on the movement. Are you also going to screenshot my post saying nigger as a way to spread discord off the site?

>>510582994
this nigga worked on half-life and he thinks ross doesn't play games?

>>510582990
>I didn't make a game that was for the gamer audience
>Why am I out of work?
Did you think you were making a game for LGBTQ pride parade events?

>>510582992
you forgot the greater than symbol f you were trying to ad a line to my greentext story

>>510582995
Just plan for this in development. It isn't going to regulate existing games.
Rule one of software development. Understand your requirements

>>510582940
the law is the reason they have those terms in the first place

>>510582993
Hi Jason. Base boost your mic more

>>510583001
Ok, but I'm changing the terms

>>510582996
>replying to a demoralization spambot instead of reporting it
Come on now. There is no way you haven't seen that exact post made at least 20 times.

>>510582994
Ross has played more vidya than half this board combined.

>>510583001
Yeah and we're going to change the law, how about them apples.

>>510582998
>the gamer audience is just teenage coomers
HOLY SHIT did i go back in time? is it the early 90s again? please say it is so i can invest in apple and Microsoft!

>>715662067
>Am i the only one that wants this shit to end in failure and to see skggers eat crow just because i'm sick and tired of seeing this shit spammed 24/7 across-

>>510583007
>Did the audience for game stop being the audience for games
>I know I'll make a game for an audience that doesn't exist
>oh emm gee why am I unemployed

>>510583009
your just repeating the same retarded logic i just debunked diptshit.

>>510582973
>Hey I thought this game was pretty nea-
>TRANNYSLOPWOKEGOONFOTMSOULLESSREDDITTWITTERCENSORSHIPSJWDEIPAJEETINCELDEMAKECHUD

>>510582969
Luckily the market already has an answer for you: Buy from GOG, itchio and sites that allow you to keep your software drm free.

>>510582931 (OP)
>How will game devs make money now
selling games?

Can't wait for the Samanthor arc

>>510583011
not wrong. imgur is funnier than 4chan now

>>510582974
>know exactly what the customer wants, apparently
>spitefully refuse to deliver
>employees laid off, company bankrupt
oh no?

>>510582955
He's a narcissist, it's not happening

>>510583016
>know exactly what the customer wants
Yup.

>32 posts from this ID

>>510582974
>the "fun" game in question

>>510583017
sad and true. many people like this ruining human civilization these days

>>510583010
>your
ESL jeet outs himself KEK.

SKG fans claim to fight for justice, but there’s no justice in demanding indie devs work for free, release IP, and maintain servers forever. That’s not preservation, it’s exploitation wrapped in gamer entitlement.

based jannies
keep this commie shit off of my video game board

>SKG = Renewable energy, Vaccines, gay rights and Communism
>Anti-SKG = Fossil fuels, Real men, freedom and independance, Capitalism
I know which side I'm choosing

LOOOOL! I DID IT! Get fucked retards!
/v/ mods = gods!

>>510583010
>am I out of touch?

>>510583020
>the fun game in question
Yup

>>510582991
>>715661720
this isn't just wrong,
it's straight up non-sequitur

I'm not googling the article to give clicks
but this sounds like firehosing enough gibberish that vaguely sounds negative to misdirect

consumer rights are only concerned with the protection of the consumers

if you culturally want to have a tardfest war about wether keeping games you bought is communist or an-cap, be my guest
as long as both sides sign this bi-partisan issue to their own benefit

also, fuck /v/ mods

>>510583370
>spiderman 2
>has 2 spidermans
woooooow

>>510583487
>also, fuck /v/ mods
God i wish the /tv/ mods were as based. half the threads on /tv/ would disappear to this shithole board.

>>510583487
>/v/ mods le bad because they moved my off-topic political ragebait
they need to implement permanent rangebans for all skggers

>>510582931 (OP)
Why would anyone have a problem with this?
If you're going to close down the servers and abandon the game then let users make their own servers, what's the big deal?

>>510582957
Or, you could, you know, just make a fun game that people want to play.

>>510583760
skg isnt politics its games

Thats why i baited retards into a political argument to get the thread removed >:)

Notice how all anti-skg shit skins hide their flags.
Israeli paycheck doesn't pay enough for a vpn it seems

>>510584049
says the falseflagging communist euroscum

>>510584049
they all scurried away like roaches

>>510583980
Thanks for being retarded, I screencapped your post for future SKG threads.

>>510583644
>>510583760
SKG is videogame related, i attribute all moved or deleted threads to corporate meddling

I agree the written post was written like ragebait
but then why move it to /pol/

>>510583896
the big deal is corporate interest wants to not compete with their previous older games so they can sell more expensive new ones and ex owners now have to buy new ones

now there's lots of misinfo being spread trying to discredit what you describe as "why would anyone be opposed to this?" by wilfully completely misunderstanding what it wants to do and how it want to do it

or, saying that is simply too hard for poor devs to implement or too expensive for publishers to accomplish (wich is complete bullshit as this used to be standard practice, this whole situation only came to this point because publishers willingly built their games in a way they will eventually fail

>>510584137
Denounce the talmud

>>510584188
>skg isnt politics
remember to leave that part in the screen cap :)

>>510582939
SUCK MY SWEATY DICK TRANNY
I OWN ALL MY GAMES BECAUSE I PIRATE THEM

>>510583370
>affirmative action man vs actual spider man

how is this politics? are mods that fucking retarded?

>>510582931 (OP)
Good

>>510584352
european citizens initiative to protect consumer rights

>>510584352
YOU'RE A FAT GREASY KIKE

>>510582931 (OP)
reminder that this guy is a literal green party pro globohomo jew

>>510584283
Based pirate.

>>510584352
i baited them into discussing video game politics

>>510582931 (OP)
This is what GamerGate should have been about by the way

>>510584453
in this day and age, even that retard is better then the cancer currently running my country (amerikkka)

>>510582931 (OP)
>another SKG thread moved to /pol/
fucking typical, of course /v/ mods want to move on-topic threads elsewhere to make room for their gachaslop, X reposting and AI trash

>>510584649
you are brown and a faggot
leftism is a mental illness and the eu needs to be destroyed

>>510584640
No, GG should have been about SRG, no SKG. StopRuiningGames. No more releases that require an internet connection to patch on day one.

>>510584697
I am brown and have a terabyte of Japanese Pornography, leftism IS a mental illness but MAGA-tardism is worse.

>>510584640
gamergate should have been about skinning every nigger and jew alive

>>510584640
Yeah pretty much. Don't reply to the memefag brownoid by the way he literally mass-reported the thread to get it moved it looks like, going off the replies he just posted

>>510582991
>>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values.
Gee where have we heard that before
Oh that's right Occupy Wall Street

>>510584817
>>510584697
>>510584453
babel media or just needs his medication

>>510584835
It fucking better not turn out like that. If Ross is too naive to see that burning hatred is a great motivator and driving force for actual change in government, then this movement will die whimpering.

>>510584917
EU = jewish pedo organization

>>510584239
So there are no real arguments, it's just people gaslighting and being contrarian for the sake of it? I would guess the only argument would be to protect the IP even after the developers give up on it or something. Sounds like free political capital to whoever supports this.

i couldn't find any pictures of a pirate atm
>seriously

>>510582931 (OP)
He looks like pre-coke nick rekieta

>>510584835
They found out that culture war infighting is a fantastic way to divide the populace. They'd be idiots not to use it again.

>>510585025
the argument against it is letting a pedophilic satanic organization like the eu regulate your tech market into extinction

>>510585025
>I would guess the only argument would be to protect the IP even after the developers give up on it or something
That's not even an argument either. For example, Valve gave up developing some of their FPS games like Ricochet, CS 1.6, Day of Defeat, and so on. They can still be played on dedicated servers because Valve gave out the tools for people to self-host, while Valve still retains the IP and copyrights.

>>510585025
>Sounds like free political capital to whoever supports this.
let's hope so

>>510584925
associating with unnecessary burning hatred can potentially derail the whole thing

stick to burning hatred of corporate taking advantages of customers due to vague laws and lack of consumer protection

>>510585192
see
>>510584239
that image was from a time without regulations as well, it was an incredibly popular game
what is being asked for is completely possible and won't cause mass extinction

it actually prevents extinction of products people bought after money exchanged hands like the situation in the image

Where's the Start Killing Jannies petition?

>>510585405
>that image was from a time without regulations as well, it was an incredibly popular game
modern server infrastructure doesnt work like servers did 2 decades ago
also this regulation wouldnt just mean extra developement time to allow for a single player mode but also having a team of lawyers so that you dont fall into the legal pitfalls of it just like with GDPR
>it actually prevents extinction of products people bought after money exchanged hands like the situation in the image
does that mean that when you buy a movie or a theme park ticket the product becomes extinct once your day ends / the movie is over?
why isnt a company allowed to say "here is this product I will be running a server for a year or 2 buy it if you like it"?

>>510582931 (OP)
SKG is not even a game once sold belong to the customer.
is: please think of the autists and put the server files online if you shut down your game forever.

>>510585695
Making a game that doesn't rely on a server farm just to boot it up would be cheaper and better. Instead, corporations seek to erode your rights in any way possible.

>>510585842
>Making a game that doesn't rely on a server farm just to boot it up would be cheaper and better
servers rely on server farms nowadays because people will complain for anything more than 20ms
>Instead, corporations seek to erode your rights in any way possible.
unlike the eu that is currently trying to put a backdoor into literally every single messaging app?

>>510585695
>"here is this product I will be running a server for a year or 2 buy it if you like it"?
they should, clearly
wich hopefully hurts sales enough people won't buy it
and even if the company goes down, there should be an end of life plan for when that happens prematurely anyway

if not? they owe a full refund

>>510586067
>Instead, corporations seek to erode your rights in any way possible.
>unlike the eu that is currently trying to put a backdoor into literally every single messaging app?
whataboutism

make use of whatever tools you have to that benefits everyone from not being taken advantage of and shit up the market

set up corporate trying to fuck over your rights and the government against eachother as checks and balances

>>510582931 (OP)
BRING HYPERSCAPE BACK
WHEN CAN I SUE
I GAVE THEM MONEEEYYYYYYYYYY

>>510582931 (OP)
the point of a petition is to demonstrate support of a policy to a politician
politicians themselves do not sign petitions unless they don't plan on implementing it

>>510585192

>>510586130
>wich hopefully hurts sales enough people won't buy it
except it doesnt just like how people stopped caring about drm even though its a thousand times worse than a company shutting down a game that nobody but 2 people care about
there are games like wow where you literally have to pay monthly or you lose access to your account until you pay again and people still play it
>and even if the company goes down, there should be an end of life plan for when that happens prematurely anyway
why? if you dont like it just dont buy those games

Now that gaymers achieved their gay cause how about a EU wide petition to ban all migration be recognised

>>510582931 (OP)
Good Citizens around the world are sick of digital property rights managed by corporations
>here is your new car sir, it is fully loaded
>if you pay a subscription fee you can use all that hardware we put in the car, else it just paper weight that reduced your car's performance, have a nice day.

>>510582931 (OP)
>? Flags
Wtf board was this moved from that was deemed LESS relevant than /pol/? Fucking summer jannies

>>510586343
>make use of whatever tools you have to that benefits everyone from not being taken advantage of and shit up the market
using the eu is like using a gun with a rusty and rotten barrel and then you will be surprised when it blows up in your face
literally every single time the eu has tried regulating tech the end result was just a more and more dead tech market
just look at the wages for software dev jobs in the eu, its fucking abysmal with senior positions barely getting like 40k before taxes in most countries here
there is no innovation or growth in this sector just like any other the eu has touched
>set up corporate trying to fuck over your rights and the government against eachother as checks and balances
more regulations just help monopolies
there is a reason why there are barely any startups in the eu and why giants like SAP and Google lobby for more regulations
when you are already big its not a problem to have a group of lawyers to ensure compilance
when you have 5-20 people like a bunch of smaller game studios then all these extra costs start adding up

>>510586667
the eu is a pretty big proponent to regulations that reduce your cars performance
https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge/media-and-press/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa-set-become-mandatory-across
you will own nothing and be happy

>>510582931 (OP)
Remember boys - if buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing!

>>510586938
>buy movie ticket
>now you own the whole franchise and movie theater
I pirate most games anyway but this is a fucking retarded argument

That's a jew

>>510582939
And I suggest changing that if you want access to the EU market. Simple as, innit?

>>510582931 (OP)
I support this initiative because it will kill the video game industry

>>510586435
wow is subscription based

this is about games being sold as a good, but remotely made inoperable because of how they were designed

how many people played a game is irrelevant
normalizing that it's ok to sell a good, then make your good inoperable and receive 0 repurcussions is

>why? if you dont like it just dont buy those games
like you said, vote with your wallet doesn't work this situation in particular because people aren't aware of this shit or don't understand it

>>510586806
i agree regulations can make things harder for smaller players, but here's the thing
that is completely irrelevant for this problem

here's a small indie game that has dedicated servers and works just fine, like all games used to work in the past
no small indie dev is going to make some convoluted multi ip crossover GAAS nightmare bullshit that depend on proprietary centralised servers anyway
that is problems big corporations invented to fuck over consumers

also tech positions pay less because for years we pushed people into tech as the new big thing so there's a shitload of supply

>>510586932
if you knew what you were talking about you'd have referred to mercedes already doing exactly what anon describes
but you are so hellbent on your EU hateboner you bring up something unrelated to what we're discussing

>>510587025
>buy movie ticket
>now you own the whole franchise and movie theater
non sequitur post
if I pirate mickey mouse club adventure, I don't suddenly own disney incorporated you retard

>>510587434
>company develops a software for hundreds of thousands to millions of cost
>you buy and fully own it for 60$
you are literally never changing that because it would break the economy
what you own is a license to use the product and it has always been the case

>>510587536
>this is about games being sold as a good, but remotely made inoperable because of how they were designed
games are sold as licenses to use
>normalizing that it's ok to sell a good, then make your good inoperable and receive 0 repurcussions is
its already normal you can buy limited time products and has always been the case
there are also throwaway goods that are only useable for x amount of uses like those e-cigarettes
>like you said, vote with your wallet doesn't work this situation in particular because people aren't aware of this shit or don't understand it
then most people dont care and you just wanna force your ideas through legal means
>no small indie dev is going to make some convoluted multi ip crossover GAAS nightmare bullshit that depend on proprietary centralised servers anyway
not talking about small indie devs but 5-50 man studios so basically AA levels
>that is problems big corporations invented to fuck over consumers
that shit was invented to save on developement time and cut down lag not as some retarded conspiracy to fuck with you personally
>if you knew what you were talking about you'd have referred to mercedes already doing exactly what anon describes
or maybe I am referring to something else like how the eu is constantly fucking its population over the same way retards here think only companies do?
>if I pirate mickey mouse club adventure, I don't suddenly own disney incorporated you retard
correct and you dont own disney incorporated if you buy a movie ticket either or if you buy mickeys island adventure

>>510586797
It was /v/. Theres at least one janny that is absolutely seething that SKG is relevant discussion to videogames, and takes any opportunity he can to nuke threads about it. In this case it was because the thread was technically about a European politician supporting it.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY
TALK ABOUT LE VIDYA REDIT INITIATIVE GOOOOOOOOOY
IT IS TOTALLY POLITICS GOOOOOY
SAVE LE VIDYA GOOOY
ARGUE WITH BOTS GOOOOOY
axaxaxxaxaxaxaxaxa
only monkey niggers low iq faggot non white nigger trash wastes time on these redit initiatives
hope you die irl bye

>>510588087
>games are sold as licenses to use
wich is bullshit

>its already normal
wich is bullshit
they are sold under the guise and appearance of the customer buying a good, but have an undefined limited use period that isn't stated nor are they required to
still, making your stuff intentionally so the seller can make your shit inoperable is bad, i hope you can agree on this
this is not comparable with e-cigarettes
>then most people dont care and you just wanna force your ideas through legal means
yes, i want to objectively improve peoples consumer rights that they themselves are too retarded to understand and realize are being taken away from them
>not talking about small indie devs but 5-50 man studios so basically AA levels
should still make their games to function independently on the buyers end without the publishers meddling
>that shit was invented to save on developement time and cut down lag not as some retarded conspiracy to fuck with you personally
yet it does, with every single customer that payed for the game
I don't care for development time, make a product you can sell to me that works and doesn't fuck me over
it takes more time to set up this convoluted system where this is even possible to happen
but because you can squeeze money out of people more efficiently companies do it
it's not a conspiracy, nor is is to fuck with me personally
it's common knowledge among people slightly more versed in gaming and it affects all of the consumers
>or maybe I am referring to something else like how the eu is constantly fucking its population over the same way retards here think only companies do?
exactly, companies fuck people over too
checks and balances

>>510588475
feel free to contact the jannies and moderators with your complaint
i'd prefer if they didn't move threads here as well

>>510582947
Is it?
What is it?
And why is it still going?

>>510582942
What mmos are even released in past 10 years worth playing? All good shit is ancient.

>>510588281
They earn every penny

>>510588707
>wich is bullshit
its not, if you think about it just for 5 seconds it makes sense
again do you really think it would make sense for a 60$ purchase to mean that you now own the whole thousands to millions dollar worth software, licenses and everything?
>they are sold under the guise and appearance of the customer buying a good, but have an undefined limited use period that isn't stated nor are they required to
maybe you are just retarded but most people know that no servers run forever when buying an online only game
when I first played world of warcraft back in vanilla/tbc that was literally one of the first thoughts even in my dumb child head that I know that my character wont be around forever
>yes, i want to objectively improve peoples consumer rights that they themselves are too retarded to understand and realize are being taken away from them
but you are not improving it, you are forcing shitty regulations that will just fuck up the market for the worse because you are butthurt that ubisoft doesnt run the servers for a 4/10 shitty car game that barely a dozen of people played when it was shut down
>I don't care for development time, make a product you can sell to me that works and doesn't fuck me over
cool you have the option to buy more expensive games then or games that have a community run server option and people that dont care about that can just buy whatever else
>should still make their games to function independently on the buyers end without the publishers meddling
why? just dont buy those that dont have single player modes
>it takes more time to set up this convoluted system where this is even possible to happen
it really doesnt, these services are ready made and implemented into the game easily by people who have usually done that before
making your own server infrastructure is always more difficulty
its like making your own engine vs using unreal / unity

>>510582931 (OP)
If Europe passed this into law, the only thing that would happen is that online and live-service games would block Europe from their servers.

>>510583119
fucking get raped nigger

>>510588475
this thread got moved from /v/ you blind nigger pajeet pedo

>>510588281
tangentially videogame-related politics belong on /v/ about as much as trannies belong on /s/

>>510589192
yes, companies should make games according to their budget and what they expect to get in return for their own interest
having some retarded system where you buy the game but not really, haha is retarded

>maybe you are just retarded but most people know that no servers run forever when buying an online only game
I bet most consumers don't think about that while I do
>you are forcing shitty regulations that will just fuck up the market for the worse
nothing happened yet, it worked out great for steam refunds and apples retarded proprietary cables

>because you are butthurt that ubisoft doesnt run the servers for a 4/10 shitty car game that barely a dozen of people played when it was shut down
i don't really care for the crew, but I do care about consumer rights and preservation
the only problem here is 'ubisoft doesn't run the servers" being a problem
a problem they themselves created and are trying to normalize

>these services are ready made and implemented into the game easily by people who have usually done that before
just like the systems i propose we should return to?

my main point we are circling around is that the system you defend out of fear for the EU and belief in voting with your wallet is anti-consumer, unnecessary and kills preservation

I think voting with your wallet doesn't work, and the only way to get consumer rights to be respected is through government checks and balances

my prospect for the future is unless we try to do something about it, we're gonna live in a dystopian subscription only hellhole where nobody owns everything and every service or product will be paid for in hostage to everyones detriment

>>510589976
atleast try to explain to me how SKG is tangentially videogames related

>>510589976
>trannies
oh right i'm talking to americans, nvm
these flags are kinda handy, ngl

Why do SKG threads keep getting kicked here?

>>510582931 (OP)
>EU Vice President
president of what? like a company? a nation? or a trade union?

>>510590201
>no actual response
>seething faggot gibberish
kill yourself abdul. you will never be a woman.

>>510590209
they get spammed on /v/ a lot by some discord trannies

>>510590209
Because the NATO flag faggot used proxies to report the shit out of the thread and get me a 3 day from /v/.

>>510590398
That's retarded

>>510589976
>Tangentially
A proposal that explicitly and solely effects videogames is tangential?

>>510589976
You can tangentially suck my nuts

>>510590648
what kind of proposal?

>>510590703
https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

>zoomies just now learning 99% of all software is license based
Yeah I'm gonna need Microsoft to continue supporting Windows ver1 SP2 patch 13.2.71 perpetually so I can continue running the buttplug injecting machine I purchased in 1986. If they aren't LEGALLY FORCED to continue providing the exact same level of service to me on this patch as they provide for the live product, they all need to go to jail.

Oh wait, millions of businesses and lawyers over the past 5 decades either couldn't get this stupid idea pushed through or decided overall it was a bad idea? WELL HOW ABOUT MY HECKIN GAMERINOS THOSE ARE IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO GET THIS PASSED!!!

>>510590922
no, I mean who are they petitioning with this proposal. could it perhaps be the government? could this perhaps be a political movement? I don't understand how you people don't realize why people who want to talk about video games don't want your political movement threads on their board.

>>510590967
As far as I'm aware there's nothing stopping you from doing that if you had the old hardware to run it, MS doesn't pull a giant cartoon switch that makes the OS stop working. Trying to do anything with it outside of the scope of what the OS can do is a different argument.

>>510582994
>nothing but gamergate again
my cock just shot through the roof

>>510586932
>reduce your cars performance
it's literally just a warning to let you know you reached the speed limit
who gives a fuck
oh noooo it's over muh ze bugs

>>510591098
it's 50 percent politics 50 percent videogames
i don't understand why people assume this isn't supposed to be on /v/

>>510587664
shut the fuck up jew

>>510582931 (OP)
>How will game devs make money now?
By residuals from sales of the game post-maintenance mode, since the publisher can still sell the game for self/community-hosted means, vs. running it themselves.

>>510591360
because /v/ is full of malding corpo trannies like the ones shitting up the thread before it got moved.

>>510582934
>schizos on /v
>totally not paid shills

>>510582950
It only costs millions because of bloat