If you're an Australian smoker and you're buying cigarettes at market price instead of in bulk online, then you're fucking idiot. Market price for a pack of 20 cigs is around 40 dollars, which comes out to 2 dollars per cigarette. I just ordered 200 cigarettes for 130 dollars, which is 65 cents per cigarette, more than three times as cheap.
It's not our fault that cigarettes are taxed to shit in this country. And you don't have to give your money to the illegal tobacco Muslims.

>>510620325 (OP)
>pack of 20 cigs is around 40 dollars
WHAAT?
No way...

Didn't smoke but I drank in australia and your tax hell is retarded.
What sites sell grey market cigarettes?

>>510620325 (OP)
The Abbos here in the United States sell cheap cigarettes on their reservations.

>>510620325 (OP)
Where from cock jockey?
Post website you fucking abo

>2 dollars per cigarettes
That's a price of a pack here

>>510620424
AUS dollar
Its basically less than $20

>>510620582
“Sanctions work,” they said…

>>510620325 (OP)
>another smoking shill thread
Kill yourself you evil Jew scum
>>510620424
>>510620570
>>510620582
Kill yourself

>>510620575
Cheap smokes on,one and others.

>>510620855
Bullshit

>>510620575
Actually its 132 dollars for 200, my bad
https://mycigsaustralia.com/product/manchester-royal-red-10-pack/

>>510620325 (OP)
Are you allowed to roll your own over there? Back when I was smoking I could by actual leaf tobacco and shredded it myself. With tubes it came out to like 5-7 cents a smoke. They were miles better than anything out of a pack. You can get 5 keys of reasonably high grade whole leaf for a little more than you would pay for a carton in jew york. The shredder and tube stuffer cost 20-40$ bucks a pop depending on how nice you go on them, but you can do it with a knife and a hand roller for a couple of bux if you want to go cheap as possible.

>>510621068
I think you can, I should learn how to sometime.

>>510620325 (OP)
Jews love the taxable vices

>>510620424
40 AUD around 25 USD, so not as bad as you think but still expensive as fuck

>>510620325 (OP)
Why bot just get loose tobacco, a box of ciggy tubes, and a cig machine? Total startup cost would run around 65 bucks, 50 of that for the machine, then you're spending ~$10/carton making your own.

>>510620575
>cock jockey
COCK JOCKEY

>>510620325 (OP)
Holy shit you pay as much for a cigarette as we do for a pack of Camel lights or Marlboro.

>>510620325 (OP)
Chug darts are about $3/pack. Your abos ain't helping you out? Shame.

>>510621063
Thanks anon, that’s 30 odd bucks cheaper per carton

>>510620888
cheap smokes online. It's legit. I have bought shit loads from them since the beginning of the year. I thought it was a scam but my mum started ordering from there and they all came, haven't been busted. I get the rollie tobacco though, it's cheap as fuck for massive pouches. To be honest it tastes like shit but it does the job. Saved thousands already lol

>>510621068
yes. It's retarded to pay the price for tailors.

or you could just visit your local migrant tobacconist

>>510621136
You should kill yourself
>>510621255
Kill yourself

>>510621329
>>510621340
>>510621343
Kill yourself

>>510621394
I am. By smoking.
And your a gay homosexual
Faggot

>>510620594
>>510621196
That's still insane bro. A pack here is $3-4.
Why the fuck is it so expensive.

>>510620325 (OP)
WTF.
Here we can just go to native reserves or the cheaper states in the US.
I don't smoke but if I did I'd be paying about ten a pack.

>>510621063
These sites are scams. They will just take you money and never give you the product. Nice going goy.

>>510621458
Government ‘sin tax’

>>510621068
Yeah we can roll your own if we buy through the shops and pay the tax.
But there is a massive underworld of “chop chop” getting around in 5kg bags (Fuck your pounds)
I vape, trying to give up, and government stopped all nicotine shipments without doc’s approval also
I met a guy last week on a construction site who makes his own nicotine juice bu extracting from tobacco.
Very interesting

I just get them from some diversity market. $120 for 200. if the government are too dumb to fix this shit then I want the government to declare that they have eradicated smoking in Australia. they will claim it even though it's obvious that no one is buying legal tobacco anymore

>>510620325 (OP)
taxing cigarettes is like fining someone for getting sick
fuck the government

>>510621526
Exactly, my migrant indian tobacconist guy would never do that because he has a tooth growing through his gum above another tooth and would be way too easy to spot in a line up

>>510621526
Incorrect. Local bootleg storefront CTn Manchester 200 dollarydoos
Online 140-160 plus 8-9 bucks postage

>>510621542
This is rape.

>>510621136
It's super easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1poOcwxT58&t=84s
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y0ZlqDutTRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiRswa2U2v4
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nTVZNpEOlTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM-G9zSCRME
You can even do menthol if you have melanin'ed tenancies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4L7rc4gof4

>>510621458
same in Canada and NZ. we all have these fucking nasty taxes on cigs and booze.

>>510620325 (OP)
Don't buy cigarettes. Buy a pipe and "pipe" tobacco. You won't believe how much cheaper it is!

>>510621579
the idea behind it was that the tax would help offset the health costs. due to Australia having socialised healthcare. now the government are addicted to the tax money they get. I think 2022-2023 they had taken half the amount of tax as normal. every 6 months the price of smokes goes up. to add insult to injury the Australian government passed new laws at the start of 2025 to lower tar and other shit in legal cigarettes even more here. also no more menthols

>>510620325 (OP)
I agree, smoke cartons

>>510621624
anon 20s of sapphire blue are $13-18 from the dodgy shops

>>510621340
you're welcome, happy to help

>>510620325 (OP)
>try the illegal tobacco
>tastes like shit
this is why I buy legals
in WA they're a bit cheaper, $34 a pack

>>510621458
if you understand that the aussie government is run by middle aged wine snobs who support policies based purely on what they think they can brag about at dinner parties with each other, you can predict its every move

>>510621754
we do it here to, our reason is discouragement
we also banned menthols
neither of us are free

>>510621853
too bad you're just one big island. means you cant get duty free very easily. i just go to the states for a couple days for work then get a pack of 10 cartons (200cigs) for $60. same for a bottle of scotch or whatever. half price.

>>510621526
meh I might try https://mycigsaustralia.com/product/premium-rolling-tobacco-50g/ and just use it for chopping up weed. if shit turns up then it isn't a scam

>>510621853
In a city, yes

>>510621677
99% sure it is illegal.. although seems that doesn't stop illegal ciggies it would be hard for avg aussie to get some, can't grow it either.

>>510621360
Shut up fag, smoking loose tobacco is far less damaging than the chemically soaked packs they sell over the counter.

>>510620325 (OP)
>If you're an Australian smoker and you're buying cigarettes at market price instead of in bulk online, then you're fucking

Actually anon. You're a fucking retard for smoking cigarettes.

>I'm so smart that I buy cigarettes for 1/3 of the price
>Save money by spending money on pointless bullshit

Non smokers pay 0, nothing, nada. I have never paid a dime ever to smoke cigarettes like a low IQ idiot.

>>510621962
I hear over country NSW but can't verify everywhere

>>510620325 (OP)
I buy whole leafs and make my own cigarettes. 5kg around 50€. Packs are around 8€ here and only raising that's not payable. It's getting harder and harder to be a smoker here and the anti smoking laws become more and more ridiculous.

>>510621960
it's not a scam. As I said, i've already spent hundreds and have received my shit every time.

>>510621908
I take it only some states are doing it? it doesn't make sense to me what the Australian government did. they could of cut the tax down so a pack of 20 is $20-25. they aren't going to stop people smoking or road deaths, or illegal drugs

>>510620325 (OP)
If you smoke youre an idiot.

>>510621458
holy shit i'm fucking jealous
they're so insanely expensive because the government taxes the shit out of them to try to discourage people from smoking.

>>510622044
>5kg around 50€
thats pretty good. bet they taste better than store smokes anyway.

>>510622061
I can loose $30. I never trust this type of shit online. they use google pay so I should be fine but I've been using the internet since 1994

>>510621677
thanks

I've never understood how people could be addicted to smoking. When I'm on vacation I smoke like a pack a week but when I go home I feel no desire to smoke so I don't.

>>510622062
it's federally regulated now I believe, so it's all states

>>510622218
are they at least still cheap? the ones I get off old mate say duty free sale only so I have no idea what country they are from, UAE maybe. could be counterfeit. for $12 for 20 instead of $40 or whatever the fuck it is now legally here I don't care if they are "fake"

>>510621196
20 dunhills are like 3$ here

>>510620325 (OP)
You don't roll your own?

>>510622115
They're natural leafs and no chemicals used. It's so cheap because it's for 'gardening' hence no taxes. It's illegal to makes cigarettes out of them but yeah lmao. It's just 1 more extra step from buying normal tobacco boxes. It's definitely worth it.

>>510622044
That's just the thing. EVERYTHING is becoming more and more ridiculous.

>>510620325 (OP)
Just quit. You should, too.

>>510622355
yes $3USD? so $22USD goes to the government here. to spend on niggers

>>510622342
Manchester is manufactured in Dubai

>>510622216
same here. i usually just smoke a few outside late at night when im drunk and enjoying the peace and quiet. cant imagine lighting up under other circumstances....though saying that, its has been a nice way to make friends in places where everyone smokes constantly, like in China.
guess the urge is different for different people

>>510622361
>for 'gardening' hence no taxes
oh interesting. you're supposed to compost them or use for bug spray or something?

>>510622355
8 Euro in Deutschland, 20 Euro in Holland.

>>510622413
I quit 11 years ago after smoking for over 20 years. Generally I loved smoking. Will take it up again one day. Quit completely cold turkey. And by drinking a lot of gin and beer.

>>510621569
I've grown tobacco before. It was a massive pain to sprout them, but if you tend them properly they are beautiful plants. You then have to cure it. It is a fair bit of work, but the results are hard to beat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHNFMAFRu-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuNefvkyxC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR6_w09dLWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V2341sYJI
Remember temperature and humidity control are super important for curing. Also the technique varies by type. I only grew about a 4 foot by 12 foot plot and had about 20 pounds of different types of leaf when it was harvested.
https://www.wikihow.com/Grow-and-Process-Tobacco

>>510622447
I have Marlboro gold Originals. I can get them cheaper at the moment. my main thinking was if the seppos are making their smokes shitter is the states then I would prefer to get black market ones from some place that isn't doing that shit. I would love to be able to get original Winfield blues from the early 90's

>>510620325 (OP)
>20 cigs is around 40 dollars
Fuck me, I buy 60 cigars for less than that.
I also notice they don't tax them because only poors smoke cigarettes.

>>510622186
No worries anon mate

>>510622435
On top of all the many, many normal tax, money gouging...alcohol, petrol, smokes yeah. And a 10 minute session in the supermarket will run you up 50, 60, 70. Just for picking up a few things.

>>510622542
>Remember temperature and humidity control are super important for curing.
i helped a family in Macedonia with some of that process one time. we were threading each leaf on to a string, and then hanging those strings up under gazeebo type rooves. guess they had the a good temp from the sun heating the roof, and decent airflow from the open structure.

>>510622510
Something like that yes and I hope they don't fix that tax loophole.

>>510622662
I doubt many anon's who don't live in commonwealth countries understand. some EU ones probably. it's not like the government even really do much with the money they take anyway. just piss it away

>>510621458
You know how much money you could make if you can figure out how to bypass customs?
I'll buy from you lol

>>510622461
Yeah, smoking is kind of a natural ice-breaker and smokers seem to have a kind of unspoken bond. Casual smoking is pretty comfy.

>>510622795
Nordic countries have ridiculous alcohol laws and very high taxes.
It's a common thing for them to drive to Germany to fill up their car with cheap alcohol.
Many stores in North Germany even accept their Krone currency because it's so common with them.

>>510622556
If I had my druthers, Stuyvesant 20s soft pack
First pack I ever bought . $2.63 iirc from a milk bar on hindley st on the way to school

>>510622750
i'd be genuinely pissed on your behalf if they did.

>>510622930
it makes standing around talking easier thats for sure just because you're doing something else while yacking away. coupled with the effect of the cigs, conversation is more relaxed.

>>510622990
what's the tobacco tax like around the EU? seems like the less economically viable ones get cheaper stuff. Germany for example how much for a pack of 20? use USD so it's just easier for everyone to compare
>>510623039
I think my first was Benson and Hedges Gold that I stole off my Dad. used to get Super Kings when I was 18 because the bigger the better. fuck I was dumb when I was younger

>>510620325 (OP)
if you smoke, you're a fucking piece of shit retard and should be euthanized

>>510620325 (OP)
Cigarettes are so feminine though, and they cause you to make weird little feminine flicks. Smoke pipes or cigars if you're a man.

>>510623132
I would say around 9$ and Spain is around half of that. East Europe is much cheaper but their quality can be very bad just some mix of tobacco and grass.
In real Europeans the cheap ones are still good quality tobacco

>>510621579
no
no it isnt
at all

it's a punishment for the stupid fucking retards that feel the need to buy this shit so that their family can beat the shit out of them for wasting that much money

>>510623121
it works because you can always ask for a light. carry around a bum lighter so you can start a convo with a smoking chick

>>510623359
theres that too, though if strangers ask me for a light i usually expect them to be attempting to rob me or something.
>hey my frriend, can you be giving light please?

>>510620325 (OP)
Tobacco is as easy to grow as tomatoes...
Hydroponics accelerate the growth.

>>510623325
that's not terrible compared to here. I would still drive to Spain and load up on smokes once every few months
>>510623472
5 years ago if someone approached me while smoking I thought they wanted to bum one. once they hit $1.30USD a smoke here and coof fucked all the homeless it stopped. I try not to smoke in public most of the time. once they stopped you smoking inside pubs and clubs here the bum lighter thing worked so many times

>>510621953
You mean a carton of ten packs

>>510620325 (OP)
government should stop hating smokers, they're paying all this extra tax money for them to spend.

>>510623809
all the smokers left in this country are basically dissidents like the ones who wouldn't take the vaccine

>>510623696
yeah sure

>>510622795
I suppose they give it to all the private contractors who then build and run private services/ infrastructure meant to be owned by the people. But even more to the point from what I gather tax is absolutely nothing but control. Perpetual clamping down on population to keep them reasonably close to pay check to pay check. Fucking country is billions or trillions in debt...like most countries. But if YOU start defaulting on your home loan you'll soon be living in a van down by the river. If you're lucky.

>>510620325 (OP)
Why not just roll your own?
Works out to about to about $45USD for 2.5 cartons(500 cigarettes) after shipping...

>picrel

>>510623944
I am no financial wizard but I imagine government's have many more avenues when it comes to servicing debt them the avg joe. it's common knowledge that getting government contracts is a gold mine for private business. then all the waste like one government spending $1Billion on some road and then 6 months later the next lot cancel the contract. there is a clause that the government still has to give them a billion dollars

>>510623944
>Fucking country is billions or trillions in debt...like most countries. But if YOU start defaulting on your home loan you'll soon be living in a van down by the river.
a country is a lot less likely to default than a single guy though, obviously. these massive debts are one reason why we're all getting niggered, jeeted and gooked so much - increasing population means GDP projections for the next years go up, which means they can make out like they can be trusted to make good on the repayments. they are destroying our countries so they can keep deficit spending like theres no fucking tomorrow on all their bullshit social programs and other such scams (ukraine donations etc)

>>510621964
Nope you can buy leaf tobacco and roll your own, but you aren't allowed to sell them.
In Australia, it is legal to roll your own cigarettes, but there are specific regulations governing their sale and use. Roll-your-own tobacco is classified as a tobacco product and is subject to the same restrictions as other tobacco products.

Under Australian law, the sale of roll-your-own tobacco is regulated, and it is illegal to sell or supply these products without a licence. This includes selling them to friends.
Additionally, all tobacco products, including roll-your-own tobacco, must be sold in plain packaging with health warnings.

It is also illegal to supply smoking products to anyone under the age of 18, except for therapeutic vaping products where the person holds a valid prescription.

But you do need a permit to grow it.

>>510623809
>they're paying all this extra tax money for them to spend.
And dying earlier making their overall cost less than a non-smoker. If the government were smart they'd encourage people to smoke more, not less. If....

>>510620594
it's $26 USD

>>510621569
How to make juice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG58nKk8f7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XzPh0NOsTg

>>510624107
Yeah. I don't fully buy the economy larp. I do buy the groundwork being laid for severe social chaos. Certainly there's all manner of gov or non gov grifter happy to go along while the going along's good. But I contend the bigger plot has more to do with chaos and complete social destruction and a rebuilding plan to end all rebuilding plans including massive population culling. But hey maybe I'm wrong and these cunts believe they'll be able to keep running these multi racial basket cases for generations to come. Like a corpse hooked up to life support. Either way shit's fucked and the only hope is a series of very large comets.

>>510624598
>the bigger plot has more to do with chaos and complete social destruction and a rebuilding plan to end all rebuilding plans
possibly some or all of the above yeah. the economic argument i only mention as being the rational that some politicians think about it in terms of. ive no real doubt that the main planners and movers have more wide ranging ideas, mostly to do with ruining white majority nations so as to make them even easier to dominate and control. fucking around with populations is something that the commies always do because it breaks up existing cultural bonds so there less connections between the people and more connections to teh state.

ah well, i'll just try to enjoy things with some homebrew wine and the odd cig.

>>510620325 (OP)
They are 20-25 a pack here. Or you can go to the red and get good tobacco for 10 a carton for 200 smokes

FIVE
HUNDRED
CIGARETTES

>>510620582
Year ago when I still smoked the at some places you could buy ""duty free"" cigs for ¢70

>>510624598
A fractured people is much less likely to successfully revolt. They don't care about the street level chaos because it never gets on their shoes or knocks on their door. Look what happened when they got dropped off in martha's vineyard though. Whole different story. There's also the other (((reason))) they also have to be let into historically Caucasian majority countries at tax payer expense.

>>510624836
Right. A cohesive people requires less gov. A splintered, always conflicted, confused, angry, dependent people need big daddy. Gov is like a business...is a business...they must perpetually expand and grow. Like a cancer is the obvious comparison. Flooding Africans, Indians, asians, south sea islanders into Australia expands gov reach. Green lighting homosexual marriage, trans this or that expands gov. Gov don't like to consolidate they need to always expand.

>>510621458
There exist some cheap brands in America for $4-6, but the good packs are about $10-12, at least in Florida. I hear up north the better brands are $15 minimum.

>>510625066
They don't care about it no. They encourage it. Like you said, a divided community full of hatred and anger and division is where Gov shines. The other reason yes. Which is why I don't buy the for muh economy and GDP arguments. Yes they apply and gov and corporate can squeal about that for a generation, 2, 3, 4 whatever. But ultimately there's something more malevolent going on. The immigrations happening today are on a speed and scale never before seen in the history of the planet. And somehow nobody can say a thing here in this country. And every media representation, ad, show, whatever...crucifies objection and celebrates satan. Never before seen at this speed and scale...and there is nothing anyone can do.

>>510620325 (OP)
>Market price for a pack of 20 cigs is around 40 dollars
JESUS CHRIST. And I thought that cigs were expensive over here. They are 4-5 bucks for a pack

i've spent a bit of time in pakistan, lighters are more expensive than cigs there. like 20c a pack and 50c for a lighter.

>>510620325 (OP)
buying anything at the store has a goyim markup tax, am I surprised? I just started buying my cigars online and most of the box and packs were a lot better than usual, some of them sucked tho but all the ones I bought in person were trash

>>510625201
>>510625585
>A cohesive people requires less gov. A splintered, always conflicted, confused, angry, dependent people need big daddy.
yeah, there you go. the 'line go up' GDP argument is just for the lenders and those who deny theres anything more sinister going on.

and its the exact same here RE the immigration shit. stuffing as many fucking jeets into canada seems to be the actual main priority because no matter what, thats the thing that can't be opposed or changed. everything really come across as noise these days.

>>510625733
That's why Australia is known as the nanny state. But it's more the cunt state. Just cunts. Weak cunts in gov, weak cunts in every institution who do exactly what they are bribed/ conned to do by their international masters.

>>510626039
Yeah I know about it. Going to a supermarket here is now like stepping into the 3rd world.

>>510626107
funny thing where i live (very rural, 45 mins to nearest town with larger stores) is that theres no jeets or other wogs living here. you never see them walking around or anything. BUT, the fucking walmart for the last couple years has been gradually taken over by them at all levels of staff. they have fucking jeets at the manager level that you cant understand a damn word they say. they have one armed jeets working on the checkout. its fucking bizarre.

Just grow your own tobacco, Anon, it's literally the easiest crop to grow. Or at least buy the cheap chemical free loose stuff. As a bonus you'll smoke less because the smoke is more satisfying.

Factory-rolled cigs are basically raw chemicals with no real tobacco, same as a McD's Big Mac is just aluminum and lard with no meat.

>>510626045
That fucking sucks, there was a period in my life when I considered moving there. I guess I was 60 years too late for that

>>510626319
I don't know why anyone smokes cigs compared to loose, same thing with vapes it all tastes like burning plastic
I've maybe smoked 50 cigs in my life and hit a vape twice and I wish I never exposed myself to that cancer at all
I smoke cigars daily tho lately

>tfw he's not smoking the finest vietnamese chop chop

>>510626314
>its fucking bizarre.
one of them got the manager position and started hiring his family/ friends/ neighbours

>>510626314
Similar shit going on here. The numbers are insane.

>>510626418
it was the same here. canada was way better 60 years ago on every metric. now were another fucking bullshit nanny state like austraila, NZ, UK. we've all gone in the exact same direction.

>>510626418
Shit's just crept up in Australia bit by bit. I don't recognise the place anymore.

>>510620325 (OP)
A smoker calling others idiots lmao.

>>510626550
could be yeah, thats the usual way they work.

>>510626562
its the worst damn kind of vandalism to a country. canada and oz are similar in a lot of ways and we were both basically white paradises not long ago, compared to how things are going now.
fuck, wish i had a drink handy lol

>>510626623
Yep. Well, good luck out there anons. See yas.

>>510626720
And with full spectrum control...gov, media, all corporations and institutions on the party line...and most people dumb as dogshit and believing that line...aint gonna be getting better is it anon? She's only gonna get worse. I'm fucking out soon. Quitting job, hunkering down.

>>510626730
>>510626866
take care me ol' cunt 'ol pal

When I used to smoke I would go to res and bulk bags of Virginia sweet leaf. Would last a mouth for 20$. Had to roll my own so it would always look like I was smoking joints until you got closer. Natural burger tobacco is on another level.

>>510620325 (OP)
>I just ordered 200 cigarettes for 130 dollars, which is 65 cents per cigarette
A cigarette machine is $20. A pack of 200 cigarette tubes is $3, a pound of pipe tobacco is $18 or less and is enough to make ~400 cigarettes, maybe even more.

Thats 6 cents a cig. My solution is only a tenth the cost of your solution.

>>510620325 (OP)
>Market price for a pack of 20 cigs is around 40 dollars
are you all fucking rich? jesus fucking christ