Just get a CS degree.

Learn to pick fruit.

>>510622813
They got robots for that.

typing on a computer is not real engineering

>>510622741 (OP)
>Mobile games
Yes. AI is very good at generating slop.
/Thread

>>510622741 (OP)
Just learn to vibe code

>>510622741 (OP)
Don’t care. Tech is for trannies.

Please microsoft, fire all your employees and replace them all with AI so you can finally croak and die.

>>510623146
Software is for trannies. Show me a tranny IT installer. They don't exist.

>>510623210
Nice cope, “Emily”.

>>510622741 (OP)
>reportedly
Experts say, study finds. Didn't happen.

>>510623210
I know one personally, she works at Geek Squad servicing computers.

>>510622741 (OP)
why is there an active development team for candy crush

>>510623032
i'm sorry the voices in your head are shouting about engineers, memeflag, but can you keep it to yourself? we're trying to have a discussion

>>510622741 (OP)
Firing your toolmakers is a bold move.

Always remember that this is actually late stage capitalism in that the company has no more reasonable growth and the only way to make line go up to appease the shareholders is to cut costs.
You see it's not enough to have a stable business that is consistently profitable...that business must always seek to be even more profitable each and every quarter.
At some point the market is saturated and you basically have all the customers you're ever going to have...so now you do shit like this to squeeze out one more quarter of growing profits. This squeeze, however, is like getting the last bit of juice from an already squeezed orange...
These are the preludes to the company failing massively.
Doesn't happen over night...these are slow deaths for these behemoths.

>>510623358
Likely for security updates and solving compatibility issues with new versions of the mobile OSs. Stuff like that.

>>510623358
To figure out how to keep reinstalling it after the user deletes it from their computer.

>>510623358
Apparently there was a large team of people making new levels for it. Once some enterprising midwits figured out how to automatically generate new levels, they all got nukes.

>>510623332
Thats not an IT installer thats not even real IT work those faggots just plug in a diagnostic drive and follow directions. 0 critical thought or skill involved.

>>510622741 (OP)
>15 year old advice
>created millionaires before slow retards tried to hop on 10 years too late

>>510622741 (OP)
>got laid of for the 2nd time within 6 months
>have a family where i am the only breadwinner
IT's tiresome bros, I wish the market would finally recover

>>510623697
>>510623804
it's a practice in the entire industry
for example whatsapp or discord
they're complete pieces of software
and yet there is a large active development team behind it pushing bloated updates just to justify their existence

dumb shit

>>510624077
>breadwinner
More like a breadloser. Just learn to grow food. Then you could actually feed a family instead of being a goyslop beggar.

>>510624136
>they're complete pieces of software
Are you stupid? These things don't exist isolated from the world. When the ios updates they need to update their software for compatibility, you massive rotten dumbass.

>>510626533
sure but you don't need a big active developer base to maintain it
and rarely OS updates break compatibility
but since you listed ios specifically
last time ios broke compatibility is when they dropped armv7 support
so around when the iphone 5 stopped getting support
(technically also when the iphone x was released too because it required an update to get rid of black bars on some apps)

>>510624077
I just got a raise as an IT installer making $55 an hour lmao.

>>510622741 (OP)
And they actually sent out an email saying "were sorry if you're distressed over being fired. Remember you can access our AI chatbot for therapy"
Fuck MicroSoft.

>>510625966
My moldavian brother in Christ, I have been working tirelessly to afford a piece of land upon which we can grow food for my family. I was not born into wealth, so this was not easy. We just bought a small house with a big garden this year.
Renovating it and buying all the stuff necessary for the homestead (garden tools, sheds, etc) is not cheap.

But yes, that is the dream. To not be beholden to this system. Until then though, I need to go into the virtual coalmines, because money does not grow on trees.

>>510623210
I used to work with a guy that trooned out.

>>510627129
Gigabased. God spede, anon. Look into permaculture. It sounds like a meme but some of that stuff works.

>>510627200
yeah because you work at mcdonalds.

>>510622741 (OP)
>write parameters and prompts to fuck everything up
Do tech bros even know how to sabotage?

obligatory.

>>510623322
typical technopeasant

>>510622741 (OP)
Having a degree in CS doesn't mean you need to be a programmer. I work in materials science and there's tons of CS grads here who basically just do math and fuck around with goo.

>>510623146
>Tech is for trannies.
Self fulfilling prophecy. When tech was /pol/, trannies saw it as a challenge. They fought to gain control of it. Now that tech is trannies, /pol/ sees tech as gay and doesn't fight to regain control of it. If you keep abandoning everything that trannies touch you will hand them the entire world.

>>510628770
Are you retarded or what? According to this headline, they are laying off the AI developers because they were replaced by the content generation tools they developed. This doesn't make sense. Maybe the horde of wagies manually creating levels, or a bunch of "analysts" and marketing fags got laid off but obviously not the people who are developing AI tools.l

>>510628522
>posting things that never happened

>>510622741 (OP)
TOTAL TECHTRANNY GENOCIDE NOW!

>>510622741 (OP)
Why would the developers of the game be the ones making the AI tools?

>>510629544
>Why would the developers of the game be the ones making the AI tools?
Because games like this demand a constant influx of new content so at some point you end up with most of the programmers being tasked with this problem and ML starts to creep in. The headline is still nonsense. It's implying that these devs accidentally created AGI.

>>510623204
They're already halfway there. I suspect Windows 11 uses a mix of AIslop and jeetcode for updates. All of the monthly updates are broken or full of performance regressions. The OS keeps making giant leaps backwards.

>>510629544
Because when you work on most projects, you usually make tools to help you along and speed up some tasks. Microshit probably pushed them to make a shitty copilot wrapper that just uses the tools they already made.
Companies are pushing AI insanely hard right now, and fighting to be "AI First". Everything is done under the guise of "productivity", but we all know in reality they're racing to make humans obsolete to earn more profit
>t. Programmer

>>510622741 (OP)
https://x.com/sabback/status/1944127125604196352

>>510623575
>the company has no more reasonable growth

Companies still make large incomes from receiving government bailouts

>>510622741 (OP)
If you are a programmer and are trying to work FOR someone, instead of starting a business, you are doomed. You need to start developing apps you can sell for $5-$10.

>>510622741 (OP)
.NET is multiplatform, and you don't have to work for MS if you are a C# developer. You can still use their framework and runtime without working for them.

>>510622741 (OP)
Not CS but EE, I remember few years ago I built a great system and few months after the manager/top manager/CEO were all suddenly pushing to hand over the source code, so I made the core shit all binary hidden inside other wrappers inside other calls and gave it, then left.
Months later that system was obsolete, fuck them, my work, my shit.

>>510630767
Yes, because a junior level developer can handle all the aspects of a big complicated and successful application by himself or with the help of a few friends. Not saying it s impossibile but very hard. Nothing wrong with trying to get hired

>>510630767
nobody wants you shitty app retard. unless it's something actually useful and not just a copy of a copy of another app

>>510631389
Also this. You have to have a big idea to develope a successful app by yourself and get paid enough for it.

>>510630062
True. I do annotation work for a US company that revolves around programming. Entirely hourly work but the hourly rate is fairly good. TBF though like I understand there might be a huge proponent for completely eliminating programming jobs. But at the same time I do use these tools to make little builds and it can be pretty impressive at times.

If it does essentially help people create things just through words I think its still a pretty big positive. It also could just be one big bubble. Normally bubble environments form when something new comes to market. Everyone rushes to be the first to capitalize on it. It blows up. Then years down the line whatever said new thing finds its proper use cases.

The reason why it might not actually be total BS. Is that I do see it come up with correct code. Recently on some of the projects there has been a bit of a shift to try and take or create inputs that are really lazily written. So people giving broken english/spelling errors/little context and then extrapolate from that. Even for humans that can be difficult but also not impossible. But what that does tell me is that the majority of people don't really use the tools properly. And thats likely because the people using it don't know how to ask for what they want. And I wouldn't expect them to they have never done any programming. But if it CAN get to a point where those people can get what they want despite not knowing deeper level stuff then I see that as a good thing.

>>510630767
Ya thats kind of what people need to and also temper expectations. The point of these tools are to give people the power to create and then sell something. Side note a potential huge problem would be copywrite laws.

>>510632092
I think you're right for most of what you said. We've tried english-like languages in the past, and now they're usually relegated to legacy apps.
Unfortunately, companies are so hellbent on profit that they realistically don't give a shit about code quality cause they don't understand it.
At our last town hall, one of the higher ups in the company straight up said "within five years, coding will be putting prompts into a file so an LLM can generate code. Some of you will be good at this, others won't be able to adapt." They have no concept of how building programs actually works

>>510632585
I wonder if it is like when they used to use raw binary and then people made coding languages. I assume the other engineers would think that the new people are missing an important thing and that the old way was better in some aspect that's important.
If the manager man can just say I need the computer to do x and then it does x but not as nicely as it did when he had a team of workers, the manager is going to ok with that.

>>510622741 (OP)
>candy crush
>developer

>>510623322
This
>reportedly
Reported by who? The company trying to sell you on their shitty useless chat bot

>>510633609
>Reported by who?
Reported by David Carcass...sole?

>>510633699
but the way it's phrased in the headline makes it sound like it was reported by Microsoft to Mr. Carcass Soul, who is in turn reporting it to us

CS has always been a meme degree. It was a bubble for recruiting programmers when those companies were flush with VC funding and not enough H1Bs. It might be challenging but it’s not a real degree program.

The likelihood of your degree working out depends mostly on your school and your networking ability. People with no networking ability at all should only study engineering. People with some networking ability should study business, especially finance and accounting. People with no networking ability but who go to a really good school, can probably study finance and accounting but might be better off with more quantitative arts and sciences like mathematics, physics, or economics. People who go to a really good school and who have a really strong networking ability can study whatever they want but shouldn’t do anything more impractical than traditional liberal arts and richfag degree programs like history, philosophy, classics, English. In other words, they shouldn’t study stupid new shit like political science or entrepreneurshup but rather the stuff that’s been in universities forever. If you’re born into an upper crust family, go to an elite school, have good grades, can network, you can succeed with basically any degree. As those attributes scale down, the degrees you can succeed with get more and more practical. When you’re born working class go to a mediocre school and can’t network the only use some upper class business owner has for you is to do the hard mundane shit he and the rest of his social class don’t want to do or can’t do but also can’t easily hire some cheap pajeet to do, like engineering or sales.

>>510633370
I think it's a lot different. Even when assembly or C or whatever was created, you can still modify binary and low level stuff directly from the language. Other languages provided new ways to structure, organize, and build apps BUT you still needed to know what you were doing to "be creative" and accomplish amazing things.
LLMs / gen AI on the other hand is using these same languages, but just doing the work for you AND it's not even getting it right. It's extremely inconsistent and never innovates cause all its knowledge is based off other people's code. Keep in mind, code quality is subjective, and you have no idea what the LLM considers good quality. Just take a look at microsoft's github repos with the copilot bot. Like the expressJS pull request history, it's a fun read

>>510634303
>People with no networking ability but who go to a really good school, can probably study finance and accounting but might be better off with more quantitative arts and sciences like mathematics, physics, or economics.
Bad advice. When I was a zogbot, there were two guys in my unit who got degrees prior to enlisting. One in physics, one in econ.

>>510634177
> the way it's phrased in the headline makes it sound like it was reported by Microsoft to Mr. Carcass Soul, who is in turn reporting it to us
Microsoft Spokesmen Set To Be Laid Off Are Reportedly Being Replaced By David Casserole according to 4chan news.

>>510625966
This
>>510624077
Anon, what the fuck is your wife doing at home? Women are supposed to enjoy gardening.

>>510634686
Zogbots are different. You guys get all kinds of unique considerations as veterans, both good and bad.

>>510634686
By the way, they didn’t go to a really good school dumbass. Are you really another illiterate zogbot?

>>510623481
Yeah but they’re not engineers tho

>>510622741 (OP)
>By the (((AI tools)))
AI being all indians in this case

>>510622741 (OP)
This is still a thing? I don't think I've even heard the name candy crush in years

>>510622741 (OP)
My job is future proof. By the time ai can be toolmakers we will have fully automated luxury space communism

>>510623210
I’m in tech and don’t know a single tranny. /pol/ is so damn obsessed with some tiny portion of the population that they hallucinate them being everywhere. Touch grass

>>510622741 (OP)
What did they expect when they were told to build the ai? Should have quit right then.

>>510623804
>someone at microsoft discovers the ancient hidden secrets of procedural level generation
>a tool used by every other video game studio for the last four decades
>is this AI?
can someone show me a single application of AI that isn't a total bullshit lie

>>510637463
Anon doesn't want to know...