Why aren't you an Atheist in 2025?

>>510625271 (OP)
Because there's a 0.001% chance i could be wrong, and it doesn't cost me anything to believe. Rather have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it. Jesus is Lord.

>>510625271 (OP)

>>510625271 (OP)
because i finally realized my soul is god

>>510625271 (OP)
Because your mom's head game is so strong it had me calling out to God

atheist these days are preachier than actual preachers
atheism is basically a religion now
atheists are faggots
i hate faggots and preachers
enjoy your religion faggot

>>510625271 (OP)
Honestly I'm just getting a strong vibe that some type of being created this universe.

>>510625707
>>510625837
So you are just emotional, got it

>>510625271 (OP)
Atheism became a religion at some point and it’s as unappealing to me as the other religions. Also I just don’t buy evolution, not that it has anything to do with whether or not there is a god, but I think it’s a tertiary issue

>>510625875
Kek higher intuition is all that separates man from mere flesh bags

>>510625271 (OP)
because being agnostic is much more chill

>Christian morals have stood the test of time, and the last 50 years of anti-Christian rhetoric/lifestyle has only further proven this case
>Atheists literally do not believe in anything, but absolutely for sure, no questions in need of answering, will tell you boldly they know for CERTAIN there is no higher power than that of humans
Atheists are are self entitled retards with a hubris problem. I'm not a Christian, but I truly believe they are closer to the truth than a fucking fedora tipper is.

>>510625903
Ironically I am a Christian and believe in some form or another of "evolution". Basically I see the genetic proliferation through survival as an ordering mechanism of a supreme being's creation. This being took a clump of organic matter and crafts it into all these complex and varied life forms. Like a potter at a wheel. You're seing the brushstrokes of creation itself imho.

>>510625271 (OP)
Atheism isn't a rational position for those who know what "God" means and recognize the universe as being predicated by a set of immutable truths such as 2+2=4.

>>510628208
There are a lot of numbers between i and 4

>>510625271 (OP)
>Why aren't you an Atheist in 2025?
I refuse to subscribe to any irrational belief system, especially such that cause lethal mental illnesses.

>>510628208
>2+2=4 therefore God
I don't get it.

>>510625358
>it doesn't cost me anything to believe
It does. You have to suck God's/Jesus' dick on a daily basis. That's a price to pay. Don't lie. It's a sin.

>>510629352
Depending on what kind of numbers we're talking about, there are an infinite number of numbers between any two numbers. This fact is insignificant to my argument.

>>510625271 (OP)

There is a God shaped hole in the universe and Atheism was ruined by both cringe and being so cucked they let the commies take their shit.

>>510625271 (OP)
Atheism is so 2010s, get over it grandpa

>>510629352
Universe emerges from nothingness, a burst of sub-subatomic particles. Aggregates and precipitates into order through a series of inexplicable forces. This ordering telescopes in complexity and refinement. Jump forwards and we have form- gas clouds, stars, rocky satellites, etc etc. Jump forward and clumps of organic matter start to fester and become more and more complex and we have living organisms. Jump forward these organisms have developed into societies of creatures with silly complex societies, feelings, being, languages, notions, etc. and we find ourselves here sending instant communications to other creatures literally across the globe spinning our tiny little intellects around pontificating about the origin and meaning of the universe and existence and morality etc.

Does the atheist objectivist not find this series of events suggestive in the least?

>>510629831
>god who is also moral created universe, whatever you said but in reverse because he is also going to destroy it someday

>>510629566
>he actually believes in """real numbers"""
If you love God so much why do you promote such ungodly concepts?

>>510630044
IF a being is so supreme as to literally create and order the entire universe, and IF we are his ant-like creation... then logically you have no rational basis to critique his designs do you?

>>510625271 (OP)
who is that?
Is that the amazing athiest?
He really let himself go
High fat diets destroy the body.

>>510625271 (OP)
Because I'm smarter than that.

>>510626938
Im not an atheist, but I don't believe god is a moral "creature" or our understanding of human morality applies to him

>>510625271 (OP)
What atheists and young earth creationists have in common is that their conception of God is the same childish notion of an old kike in the clouds who watches you masturbate. It's idiotic for Christcucks to have this conception of God, but it is either equally stupid or a disgustingly dishonest bit of strawmanning on the part of Atheists to pretend like this is the only conception of God they need to knock down or deboonk in order to be correct in their atheism

>>510629514
The fact that 2+2 is never Not 4 proves that there exist immutable truths, that being one of them, that define the state of the universe and necessitate it. "God" is whatever predicates the existence, nature, and course of the universe, because whatever does so is necessarily God because that's what it means for something to be God. If it's a flying spaghetti monster, then the flying spaghetti monster is God, and if it's a set of immutable truths (one that is easily proven to exist), then the set of immutable truths is God.

>>510630344
>God" is whatever predicates the existence, nature, and course of the universe,
God of the gaps

>>510629533
This weirdo thinks living in an upright, respectable manner and repenting of your sins is akin to sucking a dick. Danish faggot.

>>510630344
>The fact that 2+2 is never Not 4 proves that there exist immutable truths, that being one of them, that define the state of the universe and necessitate it
Explain how a purely abstract system in your head establishes anything about what "exists".

>"God" is whatever predicates the existence, nature, and course of the universe
>if it's a set of immutable truths (one that is easily proven to exist), then the set of immutable truths is God.
Worship a physics book, then.

>>510625271 (OP)
What is it when you think all religions are small-brained horseshit and just try to be a good person out of spite? That's me. Fuck you.

>>510630753
Notice how this homoerotic humiliation imagery just bubbles up into everything they speak about. When you step back and look at it, it is fairly bizarre.

>>510629451
You demonstrate mental illness in the other thread

>>510625358
Christianity is one of the least believable religions.

>>510630138
Do you think god also created that one starving kid in Africa just so because he doesnt want me to waste any food. What if he tries that on me next

>>510631156
>literal who starting cross-thread reddit drama
Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about, tranny.

>>510630580
Unrelated concept.

>>510625837
Such an abstract believe has no practical use. Also, what does it even mean to believe in a vague entity with no known properties?

>>510626938
Aside from guilt and Jew worship, what even are Christian morals? People always talk about these mystical Christian morals, but nobody ever defines what they are.

>>510631412
Nope

>>510631343
Learn what ethnic means you drooling idiot

>>510631312
Your mind is literally too small to even comprehend the argument I am making kek. So let me try to help you.... Let's postulate the existence of a creator being so powerful and supreme as to create and order the universe, and everything in it (including us). IF we assume that scenario, the we as tiny little finite creations, have ZERO logical or rational basis to start critiquing why or for what purpose this supreme creator does one thing or another.

And as a logical matter IF a creator being brought this universe into existence- then obviously as a logical matter he necessarily brought all the good and bad experiences within it into existence kek.

>>510631725
>IF we assume that scenario
Why should anyone assume that scenario?

>>510630344
So god can be anything? Ok, the singularity that started the universe is god.

>>510631725
Just tell me if he was a moral all good all loving holy being when he created it

>>510631725
>And as a logical matter IF a creator being brought this universe into existence-
>IF
Yeah a presupposition that I see no reason to beleive in

>>510625358
>Because there's a 0.001% chance i could be wrong
anyone who follows that line of thought is not a true believer, otherwise you wouldn't need that qualifier

>>510631486
If you have any intellect and if you understand the causal framework of modern human thought you would have to be essentially dead inside not to be troubled by the logical contradiction we live in.

On one hand you believe in causal explanation of the universe. On the otherhand you seem to sleep easily knowing that its existence must be inherently acausal? It would be appalling for mankind's curiously and intellect to flee from this question of all questions. It comes off as as fear- as if you are running from this question of questions (and it's vast implications) that should garner much attention and thought from the scientific objectivist above all others.

>>510631856
Because that is the form of argument he has chosen.
>IF God create universe
>and IF I perceive bad thing as happening in universe
>then God bad.

It is a non-starter as an argumentation method. Indeed a mind would have to be truly afflicted or weak to even think this form of argument is sensible or logical at a bare minimum

>>510632084
Basically this clown is saying you're stupid and afraid to believe in hos personal feelings and opinions

>>510630938
>Explain how a purely abstract system in your head establishes anything about what "exists".
The ostensible arbitrarity of the language we use to express a discovery doesn't invalidate the discovery in question. 2+2=4 is immutably true, which means that immutable truths exist, which means that they transcend all material conditions (else they wouldn't be immutable), which means that they at least potentially govern them (given that any relation between a malleable world and an immutable truth is invariably one-sided), which means that whichever set of immutable truths does in fact govern the universe is God and must necessarily be God as per what the word truly means.
>Worship a physics book, then.
Why would I worship an explanation? Explanations of things aren't the things themselves.

>>510625837
>I'm just getting a strong vibe that some type of being created this universe.
Personal feelings

>>510631890
If a being is so great and supreme that it can do something so incomprehnsibly powerful and complex as "create and order the entire universe" then you have no rational basis to say what it does is right or wrong from your tiny finite perspective as a mere ant-like creation within said universe.

The thought process alone is actually the pinnacle of hubris and delusion.

>>510632084
I am perfectly fine with the beginning of existence being a mystery which can never be solved. Also, inventing a sky daddy does not actually resolve anything. You just replace one mystery with a different one, except god is something which is clearly made up and arbitrary.

>>510632320
Again, an over explanation of God of the gaps

>>510632419
This anon gets it

>>510632384
You said you are christian and according to bible we already ate from the tree of knowledge and have been thrown out from paradise. So you're saying we should still not question existence and God?

>>510631939
No one said you have to presupposes that.

However if you dont presupposes it, you lose the old stand-by military argument against a creator being
>if a perfect God created the world and bad things happen in the world then the perfect God doesnt exist.
You may deny a creator being all you want, but you may not rely on this defective form of argumentation against it.

>>510625271 (OP).

For I believe I am a Higher Existential Being.

>>510632730
>No one said you have to presupposes that.
You already did
>>510632730
>>if a perfect God created the world and bad things happen in the world then the perfect God doesnt exist.
I never made this argument. But the parts you intentionally leave out is your supposed God is loving and also omnipotent. Why would a loving and all powerful being give babies terminal illness? Which is a very valid argument

>>510632320
>2+2=4 is immutably true, which means that immutable truths exist
Still waiting for you to explain how a purely abstract system in your head establishes anything about what "exists".

>they transcend all material conditions
What does this mean?

>Why would I worship an explanation? Explanations of things aren't the things themselves.
It was more by analogy to the way people treat their holy books. The point was to illustrate the absurdity your attempt to connect patterns in reality with religious deities.

>>510631865
Acceptable. Recognizing the Singularity as God is a far more rational position than denying God on the basis of a mythical demon not existing. As for whether the Singularity qualifies as God, I would argue that even the Singularity is predicated on immutable truths like 2+2=4, and so that the sum of all immutable truths is pretty much the only thing that truly can be God.

>>510632419
Your reference to a "sky daddy" when the discussion js about some supreme creator being or force belies your old fall-back fedora midwit dishonest approach to the topic.

Again, you should not flee from any question as an inquiring scientific objevtivist mind. And yiu shoukd not admit defeat because you dont currently have an answer. You doom this contradiction of contradictions with its vast implications to simply never being discussed?

We find ourselves in a logical binary. Either the universe is constant and eternal and has no beginning (acausal) or it came to be from nothingness (acausal). We are in a strict logical binary here that has vast implications for our very way of thinking... and your response is "Uh uh I dont care it doesnt bother me SKY DADDY SKY DADDY." Kek, if you dont care- you shouldn't mind the discussion of a possibke explanation.

>>510632494
Again, a mention of an unrelated and irrelevant concept. Keep your red herrings.

>>510633034
>Still waiting for you to explain how a purely abstract system in your head establishes anything about what "exists".
Are you asking me to prove the immutability of 2+2=4?

>>510633134
>Your reference to a "sky daddy" when the discussion js about some supreme creator being or force belies your old fall-back fedora midwit dishonest approach to the topic.
Not really. Are you not a Christian? Are there not verses where Jesus literally goes up into the clouds?
>>510633134
>Again, you should not flee from any question as an inquiring scientific objevtivist mind
No one is fleeing from your lame ass presupposition.

>>510632926
You just made the argument you fool
>Why would a loving and all powerful being give babies terminal illness? Which is a very valid argument
You just presupposes a god powerful enough to create the whole universe... and then you promptly conclude that your tiny finite intellect can somehow judge what such a being decides to do in his ordering of the universe?

Does this actually seem logical or tenable rationally in your mind kek?

>>510625271 (OP)
because I don't need a label that I don't believe in god. Know a guy who converted to catholicism and tells me he how great it is because before he was depressed and would drink and gamble to deal with "demons" but now he doesn't. Shit sounds so retarded as he is also a nepo baby that people like this should better off themselves instead off selling their schizo inabilities to deal with life as some sort of demons only religion can solve. Life is meaningless, cruel and unfair, there is no god im still going to do my shit and not be a degenerate.

>>510633192
You don't know what a red herring is. But I do know that you don't know what started it all so you fill that gap with the word God

>>510633250
>Are you asking me to prove the immutability of 2+2=4?
No, I'm asking for you to explain how this establishes anything about what "exists". Something you are unable to do, because you are a biological LLM and I'm asking you something far outside your rudimentary training set.

>>510633291
>You just made the argument you fool
When certain caveats you leave out are present. You fool

>>510633291
>You just presupposes a god powerful enough to create the whole universe..
I'm going off your argument bud

>>510633291
>Does this actually seem logical or tenable rationally in your mind kek?
Your argument for God? No lol

>>510633256
>I am perfectly fine with the beginning of existence being a mystery which can never be solved
You are literally fleeing from it.

We understand our world causally and we can also see its existence must be acausal. It is logically tenable to at least suppose an acausal force as the beginning. Yet you spread about this? Why?

>>510633383
Anon, it's quite simple. The existence of one particular immutable truth proves the existence of immutable truths in general.

>>510633464
Kek you really dont get it do you?

If a being is so incomprehensibly powerful and knowing as to create a whole universe... you think youre tiny mind and notions are a rational basis to critique it?? When you are yourself its creation in this hypothetical??

>>510633627
>The existence of one particular immutable truth
Sorry, I don't understand what it means for "2+2=4" or other purely abstract statements to "exist".

>>510625271 (OP)
All the atheists personalities ended up being banana riding sodomites.
Furthermore, Epstein didn't kill himself.

>>510625271 (OP)
>>Talks about how great is it to be an atheist in 2009
>>FF to 2025
>>Now claims he is a God.
I disagree on TJ with a lot of things but his schizo arc is actually becoming pretty based

>>510633535
>You are literally fleeing from it.
Nope. As I agree with that statement lol

>>510633535
>It is logically tenable to at least suppose an acausal force as the beginning
Why? Why an eternal cycle?
>>510633676
>Kek you really dont get it do you?
More than you really
>>510633676
>If a being is so incomprehensibly powerful and knowing as to create a whole universe... you think youre tiny mind and notions are a rational basis to critique it??
If it demands love and adoration and posits my life with an ultimatum. Then yes.

Are you a Christian?

>>510633879
>Why an eternal cycle?
Why not* a eternal cycle?

>>510633879
>eternal cycle
More midwit circumlocution. An eternal cycle is literally the definition of a thing existing with no cause. You have just given it come cyclical characteristic. In your tiny mind was this an actual escape to this logical binary.

>if a thing exists, it either came to be or has always been.
Humor me- give me a third option.

>>510633879
You have added these very human qualifiers to the description- standard midwit goal post relocation kek. Then in perhaps delving even below mod-wit you demand to know some affiliation of mine to be able to discuss my points? Are you truly shameless?

If a being is so powerful to the universe, you, your intellect, your mind order it all, etc.tgeb whatever notions spring from your mind in judgment of this creation or this creator or it's supreme designs are inherently meaningless. It created you and your tiny notions in this hypothetical. Keep in mind this is not a proof of God, it is simply pointing out a weakness in ONE argument against a god, but as always you are too tiny minded to simply move on to more tenable or genuine potions against a god.

>>510634332
>An eternal cycle is literally the definition of a thing existing with no cause
Why isn't that possible? Has just as much validity as an uncaused cause
>>510634332
>You have just given it come cyclical characteristic
Like you do with your God
>>510634332
>>if a thing exists, it either came to be or has always been.
>Humor me- give me a third option.
This isn't an argument, rather you getting emotional at your inability to make one
>>510634332
>You have added these very human qualifiers to the description- standard midwit goal post relocation kek.
No I haven't your bible did that.

So I'll ask again, since you avoided it.

Are you a Christian?

>>510633321
Ok smart guy (fyi I'm being sarcastic here) let me run you through it one more time:
>"God" is whatever predicates the existence, nature, and course of the universe
This is a Definition that I'm asserting as the basis of my argument. You can agree with it, in which case you can go through the rest of my argument (no worries, it won't bite), or you can challenge it, in which case we can discuss why I define God in this particular way. What you cannot do, to any argumentative avail, is to ignore the definition on which the argument hinges and pretend you're engaging with it.

>>510633778
Once again, the language used to express a fact is not the fact itself.

>>510634595
Where have I given God a cyclical characteristic? Is this bald projection or can you direct me to where I said this?

If a thing has no cause it is acuasal. If a thing is eternal it has no cause. This is just hard logic and in a sperging fit you call it emotion?? Again it is shameless. Anyways, an acuasal origin to start this causal chain denies strict causation. Strict causation is the very foundation of our scientific and objectivist thought process. A divine being could be acausal. Scientific phenomena within the framework of human physics and objevtivist understanding may not be acausal.

>>510634867
Ok, but I'm still waiting for you to transcend your automatonism and explain what it means for abstract statements to "exist".

>>510634867
By the way, 2+2=2 is also an "immutable truth" in exactly the same way 2+2=4 is. If you don't believe me, learn tropical geometry.

>>510634791
>>"God" is whatever predicates the existence, nature, and course of the universe
Yeah man. You don't know so God lol

>>510634966
Again, 3rd time

Are you a Christian?

>>510625271 (OP)
God is good.

2 beautiful children and 1 more on the way :)

>>510634966
>If a thing is eternal it has no cause.
Unless something started it off then the process became cyclical and eternal. You never account for that, do ya?

>>510635162
My argument has reduced you to demanding some affiliation of mine (which I have already given btw kek) in order to cope further?

Are we done here?

>>510625271 (OP)
Atheists are insufferable, mid-wit, woke, fags. They're even more annoying than vegans.
T. Non believer

>>510635401
>which I have already given btw kek
OK so you are. Lol. Youve lost along time ago buddy

>>510634966
>If a thing has no cause it is acuasal. If a thing is eternal it has no cause. This is just hard logic and in a sperging fit you call it emotion?? Again it is shameless. Anyways, an acuasal origin to start this causal chain denies strict causation. Strict causation is the very foundation of our scientific and objectivist thought process. A divine being could be acausal. Scientific phenomena within the framework of human physics and objevtivist understanding may not be acausal.
They'll never approach comprehending what you're talking about. Trust me. I've had this exact discussion dozens upon dozens of times with atheist retards but they can't into that kind of logical consistency.

>>510635423
>T. Non believer
In what?

>>510632674
I am very sorry that God has not intervened in your life. Once He shows himself to you none of your gay mental routines really mean anything. Saying a prayer for you now. You probably don't "deserve" gnosis but neither did I.

>>510635528
>Trust me
I trust that you don't understand what ethnic means lol

>>510635352
If a thing initiated a causal chain, in order to simply not be another link in the chain it must be without cause or eternal. Both of these options deny the very foundations of our scientific objectivist framework of human thought.

It is a strict logical binary.
>An existing thing must have come to be from a state of nonexistance or it must be eternal.
While amusing to see someone try to circumlocute their way out of such a fundamental logical binary, while amusing, is somewhat pathetic.

>>510635574
>I am very sorry that God has not intervened in your life
I used to be a Christian. No need for this fake empathy

>>510625875
why do you have zesty pics of a fat shirtless dude saved on your computer? that's some faggot shit.

>>510635605
>If a thing initiated a causal chain, in order to simply not be another link in the chain it must be without cause or eternal.
Why?

>>510635605
>Both of these options deny the very foundations of our scientific objectivist framework of human thought.
How exactly?
>>510635605
>>An existing thing must have come to be from a state of nonexistance or it must be eternal.
Why?

>>510635591
Does nature abide by the principle of cause and effect?

>>510635774
Can you tell me the difference between ethnic jew and a practicing jew?

>>510635548
>can't follow the thread
Lurk more newfag

>>510635726
And now I have reduced you to the old children's "why" routine? Anyways, look

>If a thing exists, it must have come to be from a state of non existence OR it must be eternal.
Do you agree?

>>510625875
Where are his shoulder muscles?

>>510635632
It is real empathy you stupid dickhead. I was a christian too prior to gnosis. Plenty of christians will not be saved according to Jesus. If you don't understand my argument thats ok but you should really be quiet as your midwittery is vicariously embarrassing me.

>>510635112
If you disagree with my definition, then just say that. Or just pussy out, I guess.

>>510635768
it would occur if it can occur

>>510625271 (OP)
It’s too hard. And it’s just not the truth. But I figure it’s a matter of perspective as well. I wonder if God is an atheist. Like, cause there’s no God above him right? He’s the incaused cause. And then really, saved by the blood of Jesus and becoming a partaker in the divine nation with the Holy Trinity is kinda like, becoming God or returning to God or living your ascended divine nature that was always there, but being suppressed. So then ironically it’s kinda like, the holiest most spiritual religious among us, have kind of become atheists in a sense /shrug

>>510635873
Why should I agree or disagree? How about I don't know? None of us do

>>510635904
>It is real empathy you stupid dickhead
Thanks for proving my point. Have a nice day

>>510635939
Or just be honest and say you don't know. Because you don't

>>510635768
Eventually a Boltzmann Brain will materialize that subjectively experiences your picrel actually happening. :^)

>>510635548
Whatever in Monkees were singing about. Also in every religion I know about. I'm don't not believe in some God though, I just can't fully believe in all the other stuff

>>510636001
So you legitimately are just gonna flee from this?

How could an existing thing exist without either coming to be at some point or being eternal? Humor me

>>510636076
What I do or don't know is completely irrelevant to whether you agree with the definition of God upon which my argument hinges.

>>510635860
>he can't answer whether or not he believes nature abides by the principle of cause and effect
Well at least you're not a "practicing" jew. Except yes you are. You are practicing judaism every time you post.

>>510636029
What a coward you are. You think no-no words are worse than your soul being lost for all eternity? You are fucking retarded and I still said a prayer for you. That was real empathy. I don't have to like you to be empathetic you debased midwit. Are you on hormone therapy or something?

>>510636183
Your argument hinges on abstract statements "existing" even though you can't explain the semantics of such a claim.

>>510636222
You claimed to be of the school of gnosis but get angry and hostile in online discussions
You did prove his point that you are just a midwit fedora tipping psued

>>510625271 (OP)
Atheist are pretentious and annoying at least be a buddhist or believe we are living in a stimulation created by a higher being or something

>>510636203
Lol

>>510636274
I'm not claiming that the statement exists (even though it obviously does or else I couldn't possibly type it out), I'm claming that the truth that this statement conveys exists.

>>510625358
https://youtu.be/aphXqDmuSH4?si=ywenLlRoyNHk-Br8

>>510636339
>believe we are living in a stimulation
That's a turbomidwit atheist belief system.

>>510625807
>Not being convinced of a claim is a religion

>>510636337
school of gnosis? no. I claimed direct experience with the divine. Are you a nigger? A woman? How would you feel if you didnt have breakfast? Do better anon because you're acting like a retarded faggot.

>>510625271 (OP)
Because I still have a brain in 2025.

>>510636395
>the truth that this statement conveys exists.
What concrete, actually existing, non-abstract state of affairs does "2+2=4" refer to?

>>510625358
coward

>>510626938
>>Atheists literally do not believe in anything, but absolutely for sure, no questions in need of answering, will tell you boldly they know for CERTAIN there is no higher power than that of humans
No they don't. You don't actually talk to atheists. You just have an idea of them given to you by a pastor or apologist.

>>510636441
>some thing made a simulated world for us to exist in.
*insert SoiOpenMouthFace.jpg*

>some creator being created the universe and us in it.
*insert SoiRageFace.jpg*

>>510625271 (OP)
The banana incident. That's why.

>>510625271 (OP)
On only am sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex.
https://www.healthcentral.com/quiz/narcissistic-personality-disorder-test

>>510625271 (OP)
Because I'm not optimistic enough to believe that death will grant me peace, the universe is too cruel to allow that

>>510636611
The simple fact that adding two of any item to two of any other item gives you four items in question. Should I define that too? And then define the definition of that definition? Such pedantry does nothing but dissolve the discussion into postmodernistic schizophrenia that obfuscates the conversation in order to deny the obvious.
>inb4 the sperg comes in with "you don't know what the item is so you're just using the word item to fill the gap" like it proves anything

>>510636222
>boohoo intensifies
Kek

>>510631649
you can easily tell what christian morals are because a tranny or a woman will try and be a priest and wont be able to get any followers because christians understand what they are doing is immoral

>>510636877
>more homos are atheist, therefore god.

>>510625903
Where's my holy books, place of worship? How many hymes and rituals should I know? Where's the grand stories about prophets and shit?

>>510625271 (OP)
God is for retards that can't show how force mediations underlie the basic principles of abiogenic precursors to organic life. From germ lines, life brachiates and diversifies through random mutation and adaption through survival and passing on one's genes. When you die, it's like being in a state of oblivion indefinitely. The christcuck fears this, because he/she thinks there are candy fountains and rainbows and sunshine after the pearly gate. A faggot, where naivety and ignorance trump rational dialectical reason.
Picture is what a christgolem really looks like underneath their pasty white skins. A gay nigger slave that serves the antithesis of their bondage, sin.

>>510637099
Perhaps you would find reddit more comfortable if you think I am boo hooing? Why not make an actual argument instead of acting like a jeet.

>>510636173
>So you legitimately are just gonna flee from this?
Flee from what exactly? Your personal feelings?>>510636173
>How could an existing thing exist without either coming to be at some point or being eternal?
Show me where I made that argument

>>510637177
you guys are more focused on heresy, i cant think of anything that screams "secular atheism" more than a law against saying nigger or denying the holocaust

>>510636171
Respect

>>510637099
>slobbers on his partners ass banana
see? this is stupid. not funny. not a gotcha. do better please or go to reddit.

>>510636203
>Well at least you're not a "practicing" jew. Except yes you are. You are practicing judaism every time you post.
Why is lying so easy for you goons?

>>510637089
>adding two of any item to two of any other item gives you four items in question
This doesn't directly refer to a concrete state of affairs. It's your attempt to mentally organize one in terms of some abstractions you learned. "Two items"... give me a break. You can't prove there's more than 1 thing in the entire universe.

>>510637206
>more boohoo
Lmao
>>510637339
>speaks from experience
LOOL

>>510637206
What's next? Going to call him a fedoralord? Post a banana? Make some "euphoric" reference? That's like calling anyone here racist.

>>510625271 (OP)
oh hey look, it's TJ "LET NIGGERS BURN DOWN EVERYTHING FOR BLM" Kirk
>>510625358
>pascal wagerino
zased....so heckin' sazed

pagans are mentally ill or objectively low intelligence. atheists are immature assholes who make their lack of belief too central to their identity hoping it will substitute for their lack of personality.

Look at this ugly baby? Doesn't it make you not believe in god?

>>510637301
You're making that up. Atheism is just a word to describe my lack of belief in God(s). It's that simple.

>>510637390
>This doesn't directly refer to a concrete state of affairs
Sure it does. Try it for yourself

>>510637180
Idk man, if God keeps my children away from gay niggers in bdsm gear then I'd rather be one of those retards

>>510637436
You are dishonest. He's acting like a little bitch and you're white knighting because you hate God. Pathetic.

>>510625271 (OP)
Probably because God has enabled all this faggotry

>>510636877
oh great, a chart with no source, which at best was probably done in california

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God. Have mercy on us sinners.

>>510637538
Oh hey, it's that time of the day

>>510625271 (OP)
Because I'm not a fucking retard. The defining characteristic of nothing is that it doesn't exist, and atheist think it does. They are basically all retarded.

>>510637538
>retarded materialist jew doesn't grasp the difference between concrete and abstract

>>510625271 (OP)
>Why aren’t you a soulless degenerate leftoid cuck in 2025?

>>510633250
You can't even prove that there are distinctions in reality. If there is no god. Then everything would just be "one" any separations we make between things would just be the imagination of our monkey brains.

>>510637554
Have you ever heard of panspermia? It's the idea/belief that life originated from gay niggers from outer space.

>>510625271 (OP)
Because I'm not fucking stupid

>>510637089
>>510637390
Concession accepted. Plato had to invent entire planes of existence to substantiate the kind of stuff your biological LLM regurgitates out of context.

>>510637665
>Have mercy on us sinners.
why are you such a limp-wristed faggot? why are you not calling him to smite the fucking degenerate monsters causing the current state of the world?
>please jaysus forgive my enemies

>>510625271 (OP)
I'm not gay or retarded enough to believe in literal jewish psyops.

>>510625271 (OP)
Atheists are gay, denying God eases their conscience when they're getting reemed by Muhammed behind al pacinos pizza

>>510637851

>>510637577
No, I'm pointing out that you're using tired old insults we've heard a jillion times.

>>510637773
>If there is no god. Then everything would just be "one" any separations we make between things would just be the imagination of our monkey brains.
False, because that "one" you speak of would itself be God. For there to be no God is for there to be no cosmic superlative at all because that's what "God" means.

>>510637677
No we don't.

>>510637733
20% of atheists are conservative.

>>510637884
a chilean nigger. fascinating.

>>510625358
based
>>510625271 (OP)
i want to have gf one day and not a boyfriend

I believe in the void

>>510637851
>disagreement is the same as hatred.

>>510637967
Stereotypes exist because they are present in reality. You utter faggot. Yes, I know calling you faggot is not original. What originality have you offered in this thread?

>>510625271 (OP)
God is the only way to ground our belief in the possibility of knowledge at all.
You can claim to know certain laws of physics because you've observed it and tested it billions of times, and yet you can NEVER fully assert that these laws have always and will always operate the same way; unless you are an eternal and omnipresent observer, who is also omnipotent to be able to observe all of those processes throughout eternity.
Once you have faith in that God, you then have a justification and epistonelogical grounding for believing in things that cannot be proven empirically, such as the fact that words have meaning, the principle of identity, laws of logic, etc..
An atheist, when justifying his empirical-based claims, will always have to appeal to empiricism in an infinite regress, which begs the question and doesn't provide a justification at all.

>>510637926
Bait.

>>510637926
Isn't it the Hindus who get redeemed?

ding ding, the christgolem is a cryptozionist that wants to build greater israel for (((them))) so they can have the third temple built by their zog armies.
>You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.
>On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your descendants I have given this land from the river of Egypt to the great River Euphrates

>>510637708
2+2=4 is both. Didn't pass grade school huh?

>>510638090
>no argument
concession accepted, goystian, show the other cheek

>>510638146
no disaggreement is disagreement and hatred is hatred and despite your utterly jewish communication skills the users of this site can see the difference.

>>510638172
None, because I'm responding to the same tired arguments, strawmen, insults and false dichotomies youblot always use. How can we have new responses if you never make nrw arguments?

>>510638206
>Once you have faith in that God, you then have a justification and epistonelogical grounding for believing in things that cannot be proven empirically, such as the fact that words have meaning, the principle of identity, laws of logic, etc..
But this is still just a self-contained system of axioms that you empirically associate with reality.

>>510638259
I am not interested in arguing might makes right with a chilean nigger. Thats what my political philosophy class in university was for. I don't have to engage with arguments that I think are too lowly. Read Rousseau first Senor Jigaboo.

>>510638206
Presuppositional horseshit.

>>510638394
I am a defender of tradition the answer to that question is on you, brave pioneer.

>>510638250
See >>510637879
>Plato had to invent entire planes of existence to substantiate the kind of stuff your biological LLM regurgitates out of context.
You're all so utterly out of your depth in these discussions I get second-hand embarrassment from this thread. You can't even have a discuss anything you bring up beyond kiddie level intuitions and intellectual cliches.

>>510638206
Presupp is the most retarded shit on earth

>>510638428
>"I have retard strength so I am right."

>>510638278
>ur a jew!
Oh it's you again. Not bothering with you lol.

>>510638533
>You're all so utterly out of your depth in these discussions
Thinks point to Plato makes him a winner. At least he knew how math works unlike you hahaha

>>510638495
>no u
Great response.

>>510638428
>I am not interested in arguing might makes right with a chilean nigger.
are you retarded? why do you keep repeating the same non-argument?
>Thats what my political philosophy class in university was for.
to call other posters on 4chan chilean niggers? peak goystian intellectual
>I don't have to engage with arguments that I think are too lowly.
thanks for proving how much of a dimwit you are. again, I accept your concession, jew-puppet.

>>510638561
That's all these clowns have at the end if the day. Ad homs, strawman, pilpul. They are the very kikes they accuse others of being

>>510625358
Mental illness, circumcision, getting cucked and retardation is the cost.

BANANA

>>510638561
pointing out you are using slimey communication tactics is not calling you a jew. words have meaning. are you esl or just stupid?

>>510638795
>pointing out you are using slimey communication tactics is
See? Like I said
>>510638744
>They are the very kikes they accuse others of being
Kek

>>510638744
all valid arguing points, ad homs are great for belittling your opponent.
I start every argument with, "my opponent is a gay jew."
instant win any debate. because they won't trust the other guys opinions.

>>510638665
My God you people are pathetic. Are you capable of making a good faith critique? What a fucking dirtbag you are. My point was valid and you don't want to admit your impotence so you lash out with mistruth. Absolutely jeet level behavior. And NO that is not saying you are a jeet it is saying you are acting like one.

>>510638627
The only reason I mention Plato is that he's pretty much the Western philosophical authority on the matter of purely abstract truths having some kind of eternal existence. If someone is going to regurgitate dumb down Platonist talking points, he should at least read Plato first, especially if my pointing out the absurdity of trying to find the substance of an "eternal truth" in transient material instances as perceived by a human mind, isn't enough to help him unfuck his thinking on the matter.

>>510625875
Something about a banana.

>>510638879
ok so you just want to circle jerk with your atheist buddies. enjoy saar.

>>510638924
>My God you people are pathetic. Are you capable of making a good faith critique? What a fucking dirtbag you are.
fucking rich coming from you>>510638090

>>510638969
Numbers are abstract until represented by a physical quantity. Then we can add or subtract those numbers which represents both abstract/metaphysical and physical truth.

Prove me wrong. You won't

The old fedora stereotype needs to be updated. In 2025 its Indian diaspora cockroaches who are most actively pushing atheism and attacking Christianity specifically. The behavior of the "atheists" in this thread lays it bare.

>>510638795
>pointing out you are using slimey communication tactics
>>510639003
Morons like you defeat yourself

>>510639079
Senor Jigaboo I already explained that your argument was uninteresting for being too midwit-tier. Go dialogue with Thrasymachus blackie.

>>510639097
>Numbers are abstract until represented by a physical quantity.
You are the dumbest, most inbred American by the board. Imagine writing this unironically. kek

>>510639123
>attacking Christianity specifically.
Maybe go back to r/eddit or move to a private discord if you don't like it

>>510639123
Indians are like the gypsies following Dracula.

>>510639123
>gets BTFO
>it's da JEETS
embarrassing

>>510639175
I am not a moron you just don't like my worldview.

>>510639079
Saved, this had me laughing too hard, and its true af

>>510639244
Like I said
>>510639097
>Prove me wrong. You won't
And also just like I said
>>510638744
>That's all these clowns have at the end if the day. Ad homs, strawman, pilpul. They are the very kikes they accuse others of being
Hahaha

>>510639255
No thanks. You are making a bad faith argument here because I was not the one feigning hurt and moral indignation because someone used no-no words.

>>510639293
>I am not a moron
You act like one

>>510639123
Anon in my life as an "atheist", I only remember I am one if someone else brings it up. And 90% of the time it's theists who start the shit talking.

I remember back in 06 or so when mega church Christiana flooded youtube with their "creationist" mumbo-jumbo, and started calling everyone communists and faggots who rebutted their retarded talking points, and then they pushed a culture war that has raged on into today's world.

>>510639379
>No thanks
OK, more boohoo incoming then

>>510639343
>Hahaha
truly edifying saar

>>510639343
At least say something coherent first.

>>510639293
>I am not a moron

>>510639379
>You are making a bad faith argument here
>>510639453
Lol

>>510639468
Concession accepted

>Numbers are abstract until represented by a physical quantity.
>t. atheist intellectual

>>510625358
Yeah, because Yahweh can't tell the difference between true devotion and someone lying in order to receive a reward. Pascal's wager was debunked a long time ago, sweetie.

>>510639426
>I only remember I am one if someone else brings it up. And 90% of the time it's theists who start the shit talking.
Exactly. These clowns come looking for a fight and cry when they get one

>>510639583
Why is this wrong?

>>510639395
And you act like an Indian. These recriminations get us nowhere.

>>510639682
>more desperate no u
Kek

>>510639529
boo hoo boo hoo wtf. This is the type of behavior that is going to have autists and AI murdering you in the streets. You are a jeering hyena and you will fit right in when you go to hell.

>>510639665
>[abstract things] are abstract until represented by [non abstract] [abstraction]

>>510639682
>These recriminations get us nowhere.
how high and mighty of you, midwit

>>510625358
You christlarpers on pol don't believe.

>>510639750
>Kek
this is jeet posting. why do you do this?

>>510625271 (OP)
>Why aren't you an Atheist in 2025?

I am not Gay...
I have gotten over, that my parents made me go to church when I was younger.
I am not a petty childish person who hates other people for liking things that I don't like.
I am not a hypocrite who hates and attacks only one religion ... and only that one because they don't fight back . And the others would.
I am an intelligent and intellectual person who is interested in philosophy and don't want to waste my time rewording how I hate my parents and the christian church.

>>510639836
I don't know if you're stronger than me so why should I listen to your argument, nigger? How much do you weigh and what is your bodyfat %?

>>510639817
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>510639830
Yeah it's called an idea. I had an idea to build a deck and then I built it. Abstract/metaphysical meets physical.

You're still not explaining why I'm wrong though

>>510639865
>this desperate
Lmao

>>510639881
You can be atheist and not worry about any of that shit you know... atheism if you want to take it further than just not believing, is about having free thought, without the hindrance of trying to weave a God like figure or presence into every aspect of life.

>>510640001
You make a compelling case for atheism. poo in loo

>>510639933
>I don't know if you're stronger than me so why should I listen to your argument
what the FUCK are you talking about, midwit

>>510639881

>>510640196
>You make a compelling case for atheism
The believers do it better I think lol

>>510625358
Praise the Lord

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>Numbers are abstract until represented by a physical quantity.
>t. atheist intellectual

>>510625271 (OP)
A-Theists are fucking Mongrel-Theists...

Every-Fucking-Time...!

>>510640236
See you are too stupid to engage with. Your opening statement only made sense if you were arguing from a might makes right worldview so that is what I have engaged with. You don't even understand your own argument. Like I said you are a total nigger.

>>510638021
If there was No god then the only thing that would exist is just variations of "matter" arranged in seemingly different ways that our monkey brains interpret as "things".
All distinctions beyond matter would just be relative.
From a cosmic perspective zooming out everything would just be one.
I dont care if math "works" just because math works because of the rules we made up that doesn't mean that it is a fundamental principle grounding the universe.
That's like saying a tape measure is the reason why I am as tall as I am. Just because my height can be measured using that. That doesn't have anything to do with why I am as tall as I am and where I came from.

>>510640266
Still can't explain why I'm wrong. It's ok, ad homs is all you have

>>510638924
>insults
>strawmans
>"Can't you guys make good faith arguments?"
Lol. The absolute projection.
>inb4 no ur projecting!
Lel.

>>510640320
>I make my own meaning to your words, therefore you're retarded
bravisimo!

>>510640363
I'm telling you dude. They are exactly what they accuse others of being

>>510640244
>The believers do it better I think lol
Only hindu rape rats, muslim kid fuckers, and kikes.

>>510636801
you're a huge zoomer faggot and probably a virgin. this board defeated the internet gaytheist movement. you're a cringe loser and the highest percentage of atheists are jews. atheism is literally a sect of judaism

>>510640501
And Christians, unless they fall under kikes?

>>510640363
pilpul

>>510640493
It's all they have. "Science and atheism are also religions, so that means my belief in Jewish fables about magic and talking animals is just as valid as your beliefs."

>>510625358
>muh Pascal's Wager
But what if there's no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet? Maybe you will go to hell for being a Christian.

>>510640552
>atheism is literally a sect of judaism
correct. thank you. but its like the old jewish proverb says: there are no atheists in job interviews.

>>510640552
Why do theists always end up getting emotional and start name calling and shit talking?

>>510625358

>>510640661
do you believe in girl penises?

>>510640703
why are atheists such jewishly effeminate cunts with martyr complexes?

>>510640320
>Your opening statement only made sense if you were arguing from a might makes right worldview so that is what I have engaged with.
you are such a literal autist you can't even comprehend the meaning behind "how high and mighty of you", even the fucking AI can understand it, retard.

>>510640734
Misinterpreting God is folly. Denying God is hubris. If I were God, I'd send the former to the reeducation camp layer of hell and the latter to the eternal-assrape-by-demons layer.

>>510640661
Yup. They, in-turn use religion as an insult because they know how bullshit it is

>>510640866
Why are you so angry anon?

>>510625271 (OP)
because god is evil as fuck and maltheism makes sense
athiests excuse the vile demonic pedophile of the bible jesus christ
of its child rape murder and crimes against humanity

>>510640931
>Misinterpreting Cinderella is folly. Denying Cinderella is hubris.
Kek, means exactly the same thing

>>510637884
>why are you such a limp-wristed faggot? why are you not calling him to smite the fucking degenerate monsters causing the current state of the world?
>>please jaysus forgive my enemies
this is not you taking a might makes right worldview? you absolute nigger.

>>510641007
An atheist hurt her feelings most likely

>>510641028
You admitted multiple times ITT that you're inbred so nothign you say matters.

>>510641007
I am not angry. Its the cultural vernacular of the site when you disagree with someone. But you know that, dickhead.

>>510639881
Irrelevant.
Irrelevant and gaslighting people who indoctrinated.
Strawman. No atheist hates you for liking a god.
You see more critcism of christianity because you live in the west, where christianity is tge most common and familiar religion.
Strawman.

>>510640592
yes the only person ever crucified was Jesus. The Roman’s came up with that on the spot and have never done it before especially not to any Jewish slaves
also TKD and fuck Israel

>>510641097
This anon is mad and hurt. Lol

>>510640552
All you have are insults.

>>510641069
but might makes right you absolute fucking retard or are you going to pretend goystians didn't convert the world at swordpoint just like mudslimes

>>510631065
>atheists are self loathing faggots
That's a really good point.

>>510640552
>atheism is literally
A disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods

>>510641306
Yes this is the correct analysis. Also, jews in Israel spit on people wearing crosses because they hate the movie Spartacus.

>>510641150
You sound like you do have hate in your heart. I hope you aren't Christian...

>>510641409
you just lambasted me for saying you take this view and now that you're called on it you say well yeah of course that is correct. fuck you and burn in hell. this is actual annoyance. you are subhuman. byeee

>>510640552
>atheism is literally a sect of judaism
only a fucking semitard can say this with a straight face

>>510639881
>I am not a hypocrite who hates and attacks only one religion
That's how it works, retard. Christianity is the dominant religion in the West. Once Hindus take over Canadan and start banning beef production and forcing their culture on everyone else, then you'll start to see atheists bitching about it.

>>510641594
>you just lambasted me for saying you take this view
where? oh right, you're running like a bitch, I accept your concession, byeee

>>510641582
thanks for the analysis. thats what I come here for. actually, you know you sound a little down yourself. is there anyone close by that you trust that you could reach out to? maybe spend some time with them and do some self-care? you know we just care about you so much anon.

fuck off.

>>510641736
only a nigger thinks your embarrassing chain of posts is something to defend. you are literally too stupid to post online. your parents should have drowned you in a river.

>>510625271 (OP)
Atheism was a way for Americans to detach themselves from Christianity. But that just led them to attach themselves to other, more fragmentary belief systems, like consumer culture, stick bananas in their ass, furfaggotry, pedophilia, woke, neo nazism.

>>510641483
I agree but people on ellis island were just doing what they were taught, I don’t think any of it was hate for Christ. It was engrained if you were Hebrew to not know what an x/t/+ was other than a torture device like the cross.

>>510641818
uh oh, christynigger is mad and can only spout insults, very tolerant, just like your subhuman religion

>>510641876
>like consumer culture, stick bananas in their ass, furfaggotry, pedophilia, woke, neo nazism
None of these things apply to me as an atheist

>>510641818
Maybe you should learn how to debate. Christians have been losing debates since ancient Rome, but maybe you're the one who can turn it around.

>>510625271 (OP)
>Pisses away what little surplus income he makes on gambling
>Addicted to poison sticks that slowly make him weaker and sicker that are currently taxed to shit
>Too fat to ever effectively fight back
>Dressed like a child to reflect his childlike mind
>Big unkempt beard to show the world how little he really gives a fuck about himself, as if we all didn't already know
The most non-threatening man our jewish corporate overlords could ever ask for. They want us all to to be this guy, totally lost in the chase for dopamine to ever do anything about our ever worsening condition. It would be funny if it weren't so sickening.

>>510641911
>It was engrained if you were Hebrew to not know what an x/t/+ was other than a torture device like the cross.
This is the dumbest argument in the thread yet and that is saying something. Ok, so you are saying that uneducated jewish peasants wouldnt have known about the dominant non-jewish religion of their time but they would have known about ancient roman execution methods. Are you parody posting, rabbi?

>>510641997
You absolute faggot. Read the chain of posts. You are defending illogic and untruth because its "on your side". That is actually pathetic.

>>510625271 (OP)
Because Jesus Christ already proved Himself as real, living, and powerful to me.
I also don't hold resentful daddy issues and trying to justify addictions.

>>510642063
>this guy represents all atheists.
Lol nope.

>>510642173
>read the chain of posts
you know you are smart if you have to state this

>>510642292
I didn't even mention atheism in my post. Idk who he is or what his spiritual beliefs are, but they don't matter because what I CAN figure out about him by his picture is enough to know nobody should ever want to be anything like him, yet the government pushes heavily for us to become him.

>>510641751
You come here to act in abhorrent ways? Why?

I don't feel down, I've lived a tough life, and clawed my way to where i am bow and found peace long ago.

>>510642173
>that argument is bad, that's why I couldn't disprove it
Stop whining, faggot. Go watch some William Lane Craig videos on YouTube.

>>510642173
if you had a modicum of intelligence, as you believe you do, you would have ignored my posts; but christniggers can't help themselves to attempt to win the cookie argument

>>510642467
>I've lived a tough life, and clawed my way to where i am bow and found peace long ago.
Respect anon..

>>510625358
> it doesn't cost me anything to believe
It cost me everything I ever worked for and my standing in the community. I was hunted by the police and public enemy number one for years. Worth it

t. Pureblood Aussie religious schizo

>>510640327
>From a cosmic perspective zooming out everything would just be one.
And what I'm saying here is that this "one", if it doesn't have a god, would by default be its own god.

>>510625271 (OP)
Because I have lived on this planet over 20 times, died and went to heaven every time, and was told to come back down here and remind you insignificant mortals how stupid you all are.

>>510642415
>what I CAN figure out about him by his picture is enough
Nothing I can add here. I can just draw a circle around you post and call it a day.

>>510625271 (OP)
I'm agnostic and most "atheists" are Christianphonic communist faggots that shill for Jews and Muslims.

>>510643470
"Agnostic" just means you don't know for sure.
Do you believe there's a god? If yes, you're a theist. If no, atheist. If you say " I don't know", that's a description of your knowledge, not belief. You believe a claim, or you don't.