>I hate Christians, they’re shitlords!
>well, I know I’m going to the Christian invention of Heaven because I’m a good person & do good things

>tfw all it takes to enter heaven is faith that Jesus christ died for our sins.

>>510634965
Heaven isn’t real stupid fucking leaf

>>510634965
>just believe in something that has no evidence and if you don't you go to hell and burn for eternity
Strange logic for a supposed loving and all powerful being. Imagine how many more people would be saved if God just took 30 seconds out of his eternal existence to show himself to everyone and prove his existence.

>>510634965
on our part yeah
it took a lot more on God's part though

>>510635471
>there's no evidence there's no evidence!
it's one thing to say you don't find the evidence compelling, but to say there's none at all whatsoever in the internet age is just epistemologically bananas.

>>510635471
>>510635078
Oh my fauci this is quite troubling

>>510634722 (OP)
>not realizing you just rot in the ground after you die
Anon, I...

Here’s how I know /pol/ never read the Bible: none of you mentioned how the whole thing is written like a terms of service. It implies nice things, then states loopholes and exceptions He can use to get out of fulfilling them.

>>510637006
this is a knowledge claim impossible to verify with the tools we have available to us.
even if we take it seriously, it's counter-intuitive to the modern man. think of it like a videogame, when a character dies or the game ends, it's lights out from the perspective of the character, but the person controlling them and existing outside of the game's reality is still very much alive.
some thinkers today argue that our physical universe might be like that, just the rendered surface of a deeper informational substrate. the idea is called "digital physics," it explores the notion that reality could be fundamentally computational. if our lived experience is more like a simulation, then 'death' might not be the end of everything, just the end of the avatar's run. the real mystery is who or what is the player.

>>510635837
>the proof is all around you! the beauty of the universe! The complexity of life! The origin of everything!!!!
Yeah, yeah... I've heard it all before. Questions that we can't answer is not proof of god. That sort of thinking is how we got god in the first place when primitive man saw the magic flying fire in the sky. It's not proof

>>510635471
My God isn't a whore, sorry but you are not the chosen One.

>>510638194
sounds like your mind is completely closed to the idea, not just skeptical but resistant to even considering the possibility.
you seem to dismiss anything that doesn't fit within the framework of empirical materialism, but that framework has its own limitations.
it's great at describing mechanisms, but struggles when it comes to meaning purpose or consciousness.

is the worldview of atheist materialism really that satisfying in its explanatory power?
it tells us what things are made of, sure, but not why they matters, why beauty moves us, why morality feels binding, or why we even asks these questions in the first place. and if those kind of questions are just evolutionary accidents or neurological illusions, what are we left with? a worldview that explains the gears of the universe but leaves us cold in the face of wonder.
you can call appeals to beauty or awe "primitive," but isn't it interesting that the impulse to search for something greater has been a constant across all of human history and culture? maybe it's not just outdated superstition, maybe it's a sign that the purely material story is missing something.

>>510634965
>>510635569
tfw saved

>>510637211
"eternal" or "everlasting" life removes exceptions by necessity, if you can lose it, it's not eternal. All the exceptions are placed on the frontend, as in, you can only exclude yourself from the possibility of salvation, but can't lose it if you have it.

>>510640467
and excluding yourself comes with pretty overt side effects, like homosexuality (as covered in Romans 1) before anyone asks.

>>510639137
>sounds like your mind is completely closed to the idea,
You couldn't be more wrong. I just find the idea of the Christian god laughable in that you have a supposedly loving, all powerful being who will cast you into eternal damnation for not believing in him when he makes absolutely no effort to give people a reason to believe. Does he realize how many of his own people he could save if he just confirmed his existence? How much more peaceful the world would be if we all KNEW in the existence of the one true god. It makes no sense and sounds like the writing of primitive sand jews rather than divine scripture. I'm open to the idea of a god, but I think it would be something so foreign to us that it's not worth worrying all that much about

>>510640643
Your remarks will work on people because nobody bothers to read a Bible.
You know, more of a Bible than a few dismembered verses you’ll mention.

>>510635471
>Imagine how many more people would be saved if God just took 30 seconds out of his eternal existence to show himself to everyone and prove his existence.
lik Jesus Christ?
>Strange logic for a supposed loving and all powerful being.
imagine giving your eternal Son to humanity to be brutally murdered for taking their sins upon himself.
then 2 thousand years later some fedora nigger comes around and spits on this once and for all sacrifice for his personal soul to be saved from torment of his own making.
you quite literally spit in the face of the Son of God infront of God the Father who permitted his Son to suffer for you so you dont have to.
if you were a father, how would you react?

>>510638194
thats the whole point of faith my man.

>>510641974
>lik Jesus Christ?
I've never seen Jesus. You've never seen Jesus. Your question assumes that "Jesus" was even real and the he was the son of god, which itself is not proved, but even if we assume that's true, no one has seen "Jesus" in 2000 years. One jew 2000 years ago is not proof to anyone today or in the future.
>>510642059
>bro just trust me bro.... do it just because broseph or you go to hell k?

>>510634722 (OP)
No one says that thoughbeit.

>>510641658
i appreciate the honesty and agree that the popular caricature of the Christian God as both infinitely loving yet willing to condemn skeptics to eternal torment can feel contradictory or even cruel. but maybe that image isn't quite what's really being proposed.
a deeper look into Christian theology shows it's less about punishment for doubt and more about the consequences of freely chosen separation.
if someone refuses relationship, truth, not out of ignorance, but out of rejection, then that separation is honored, not imposed.

as for divine hiddenness, you're right, if God wanted belief through proof alone, then a cosmic fireworks show could do the trick. but maybe the kind of belief God is after isn't just intellectual assent. maybe it's relational, a kind of trust that can't be forced by spectacle. that doesn't make it easy of course but it's not meaningless.

>dead kike on a stick
Reminder that not even Jews believe that heaven is a real concept. It was literally invented by them as a carrot on a stick for you retarded goyim.

Christianity is for slaves. Are you a slave?

>>510642603
>Reminder that not even Jews believe that heaven is a real concept
that's not true though.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4848230/jewish/Heaven-and-the-Afterlife.htm
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/heaven-and-hell-in-jewish-tradition/

>>510634965
>all it takes to enter heaven is faith
That might be the problem. Charge money and market it as a new age psycho wellness technique. Diversify your target groups by defining different levels of 'heaven' at different price points. Locale adjusted of course. Offer upgrades, limited time specials, coupons for the low income coach class and all that. Incorporate in Las Vegas with Blackjack and hookers.

>>510642553
I'll even go a step further with you and admit that I WANT to believe in god. I do. I participate in religious conversations even though I don't believe simply because I do contemplate life and what may lie beyond. It would make things much simpler for me if god were to just make himself known and settle the debate once and for all. But he doesn't. And I can't force a belief that's not there. You talk about trust, but trust is a two way street. I can't trust a god who is a stranger to me anymore than I would trust ghosts or other similar beings who are nonexistent to me.

>>510642059
How about you go love the Jewish people while attending your daughter’s sex reassignment surgery the teachers they installed in her school groomed her into demanding? How about that?

>>510642447
so a text that was written some 3000 years ago that predicted the Messiah down to a t with all he had to go through survived without any loss to this day when we had countless empires and kings record their achievements through all ages just vanished in the sand of time?
this person, who had a following of 12 lowly Israelites somehow conquered and empire that spread the known world back then.
his teaching were adopted by the most learned people on earth as definite fact and build up europe into a massive world dominating superpower that spread HIS message and HIS name throughout all the world making people like Napoleon realize they will never match up to this KING of kings and LORD of lords ever in their meager existence.
this name and gospel is attacked by all kinds of satanic forces throughout the ages back from before israel was a nation to todays christianity, but still the message is the same and the teachings of Jesus Christ never changed?
the most intelligent, the atheists and satanists of this day still realizing he is the LORD and SAVIOR sent by God the almighty and converting to his name.
through all this, ages, empires, adversaries, calamities, his name stands strong on all the nations never conquered.
and you ask for proof? like its some fairytail? "we dont even have proof he existed" you ask. its just some jew on a stick from 2000 years ago?

apply yourself. Jesus Christ is your Lord, if you like it or not or if you want it or not. at the end you will see him face to face no matter what. so be prudent before you have a rude awakening.

>>510643483
israel and the jewish people stopped existing since 70 AD you fucking cretin. pick up a history book.

>>510635078
going to heaven isn't even supported in the scriptures - it's a farce and un-christian at it's core. based on the immortality of the soul, a purely heathen construct (and arguably the original lie told by Satan)

>>510643870
>going to heaven isn't even supported in the scriptures - it's a farce and un-christian
read Revelation 21 and 22. heaven will be on earth, so you will literally go to heaven.

>>510643660
>so a text that was written some 3000 years ago that predicted the Messiah down to a t with all he had to go through survived without any loss to this day
Yes, it was passed down and preserved because primitive sand people believed in their fairy tale. That doesn't make it true. Religious belief can be a very powerful tool.
>at the end you will see him face to face no matter what
Maybe. I doubt it, but maybe. And if I see him, I'll tell him that I would have gladly followed his every word if he just let me know that he was real. That's literally all it would take.

>>510634965
Why would it require faith? So he only died for people who simp for him? That's fucking gay and lame, just like everything else I ever heard about christianity.

>>510643173
i hear how much you want to believe, and how frustrating it must be to feel like you're reaching out into the dark. that longing says something about you, it's honest, and it's brave to keep wrestling with it. you're right that trust is a two-way street, and it's hard to trust someone who feels like a stranger. maybe God isn't absent, but subtle, showing up in quiet ways, like the pull of a sunset, the urge to good, or even the questions that keep you up at night. those don't prove anything, but they might be invitations to notice something bigger.
i get that it's not enough to just say God values your freedom to choose, but think about it, real trust or love can't be forced. maybe God's holding back the cosmic fireworks for now so that your response, whether belief or doubt, is truly yours. that doesn't make the silence less maddening, but it might mean your searching in itself matters.
i have to go, but i will pray for you. i hope you won't read that as something performative or passive aggressive.

>>510634722 (OP)
virtually no churches are antijew and jews know the Torah better than you. But theyre not the real jews, even though the phrase synagogue of Satan only referred to opponents to those church's in Asia minor, which was white. And Jesus actually said this, but he was a ghost in a dream of John who he used to sleep in bed with, who magically lost his proficiency in Greek while exiled to patmos. We know it's a real text because a bunch of tranny freaks preserved it and brought it to a bunch of tunisians and alexandrian jews at Nicea
>>510643660
Maybe they wrote Jesus around those prophecies? Jews still run prophecy scams today and they go through more trouble than just writing them back down again to do it.

>>510644468
>all ancient people were primitive
>yet we cant even figure out how they piled rocks to a pyramid for some reason
>also we dont know how roman concrete works
you are naive and full of modern lies. you consume goyslop that breaks after 2 years because of planned obsolescence and still think people of old were backward retards. they would laugh into your gullible face.
same goes with the scribes that preserved the Word of God. if you read the bible you would know what happens to corruptors or hypocrites that change the Word deliberately.
they took their work more serious than any scientist today.
>And if I see him, I'll tell him that I would have gladly followed his every word if he just let me know that he was real. That's literally all it would take.
its almost like there is a preserved book that was preserved just for you that lays out all the nature and person of God himself to you.
but sure, tiktok and instant gratification is more important right?
did you ever ask for a sign that he is God and asked him to proof he is real? or do not want to bother. he is God after all.

>>510635471
Its classic narcissist MO, emotional blackmail, abuse in general, then lovebombing, gaslighting, being a selfcentered bitch with delusions of grandeur overall. This "god" is the personification of the dark triad of personality disorders, if you will a "demon" who represents them, and this is what people have been tricked into worshipping the last 2k years. I think the abrahamic religions were the vehicle for this mindvirus to enter humanity's minds, look at the behavior and thinking of these religious groups, its the exact same as npd affected people, which overlaps with psycho- and sociopathy. Things like borderline develop because of longterm npd abuse. Look into these disorders and compare to these religions and their deity, its so obvious. Enablers often have a complete blindness to the narcissist they are trained to "love", they defend them and their actions fiercly, the very same behavior can be seen in the followers of these religions.

>>510644768
you know that pharisees went through a great length to change all their OT books to cut out every prophecy of Jesus out of the Torah?
there are today passages forbidden to read to jews from their own Word. Isiah comes to mind.
also they changed ages of people and timelines so the time the Messiah arrived couldnt be calculated anymore to be Jesus.
if you want to learn more look up masoretic vs septuagint translations of the torah.

>>510634722 (OP)
i wont bother to explain to you why this shit you posted is wrong. i doubt you have sex but please dont reproduce.

>>510644895
>>all ancient people were primitive
>>yet we cant even figure out how they piled rocks to a pyramid for some reason
>>also we dont know how roman concrete works
They were primitive, by definition. The fact that there may have been certain technologies that have been lost to time does not change that. Nevertheless, we're not discussing pyramids here and this is distraction.
>its almost like there is a preserved book that was preserved just for you that lays out all the nature and person of God himself to you.
There are plenty of preserved books and religions, anon, many even older than Christianity. Why don't you believe in the Zeus and the other Greek gods? Why don't you believe in Allah? Those faiths have also been preserved for thousands of years, yet you dismiss all of those as fictional myths while remaining so certain that YOUR god is the one true god. Why is that?

>>510637211
Typical jewish, kek.
I never read the whole thing, did go to bible class on sunday for a while, was kinda excited at start because I wanted to learn about it since I was supposed to be part of it. But as it went on I kept thinking So when is it gonna mention anything European, why is it all about some desert people in some country far away and a culture that has nothing to do with ours?" It never did ofc and I became bored and disappointed because it has nothing to do with me, my peoples and ancestors or the lands we live in.

>>510645273
>Nevertheless, we're not discussing pyramids here and this is distraction.
you brought up ancient people as retarded primitives in the first place.
>Why don't you believe in the Zeus and the other Greek gods?
oh I believe they exist, since the bible teaches us. they are degenerate demonic beings. maybe you should read up on them.
>Why don't you believe in Allah?
because its satan, like the bible predicted.
> dismiss all of those as fictional myths while remaining so certain that YOUR god is the one true god. Why is that?
he told me beforehand, and just looking up the doctrine of these false gods shows me clearly that the God of the bible is the one and true almighty God above all that scum. he revealed his holy nature to us in his Word.

>>510642775
You clearly didn’t read those articles because they don’t describe the same thing as heaven in Christianity.

>>510634722 (OP)
>If you are searching for Heaven, you don't understand the message.

>>510634722 (OP)
The concept of heaven predates Christianity by thousands of years.
>1pbtid

>>510638194
The Beauty and Intelligence around us proves nature is divine, if you would use that word, it still doesn't prove abrahamic religions. It actually contradicts them because they say nature=evil. Imagine believing some kike telling you your natural habitat is evil.

>>510645624
It wasn't like an afterlife for the "obedient ones" tho, that's how they twisted it to fit their new narrative.

>>510645480
>>Why don't you believe in the Zeus and the other Greek gods?
>oh I believe they exist, since the bible teaches us. they are degenerate demonic beings. maybe you should read up on them.
>>Why don't you believe in Allah?
>because its satan, like the bible predicted.
You didn't answer the question. I asked why you don't believe in those faiths, not what does YOUR faith that you already believe in tell you about those other gods. The greeks didn't believe that Zeus was a demon and muslims don't believe that Allah is Satan. If you think that age lends credibility to Christianity, then why do you dismiss all of these other ancient religions as being false while at the same time being so certain that your faith is the correct choice?

>>510645643
the world was cursed, thats why trees and plants die.

>>510645916
>I asked why you don't believe in those faiths
I just told you, they are absolutely degenerate.
pagan gods: sex obsessed, full of bestiality, inbreeding, castrations, rape, homosexuality.
allah: kill everyone who doesnt believe in allah

neither of those are worth to be called God.

>>510645832
Depends on the culture but largely it was a place where souls go if they acted as to what was socially accepted in that culture and they lived a life that was considered good and helpful relative to the ideals of their society, so largely it was the same thing, after all christianity is a programming code for NPCs to act as decent people.

>>510646114
Reality and existence isn't determined by "worthiness." Maybe God just isn't a perfect being as the Christians would imagine him to be. To try and tie this back to the original point, if your "proof" of god is the enduring existence of the bible, how is anyone supposed to pick Christianity as the correct choice out of all of the other ancient religions that have similarly persisted throughout the centuries?

>>510641974
>if you were a father, how would you react?
As Jesus did: forgive them, for they know not what they do.

>>510647111
everyone who loves the truth is drawn to the truth.
everyone who hates the truth falls for false teachings.
its not about worthiness at all, any true christian will confess he is unworthy of the love and blood of Christ since everyone is a sinner.

>>510648597
>israel and the jewish people stopped existing since 70 AD you fucking cretin.
Then I’m sure you’ll have no problems waltzing into any Christian church to say that and rebuke the slime the currently circumcised promote through every platform, and livestream it.

>>510649881
I would have no problem with that since I am not an american that have all kind of fucking weird jew worship and prosperity gospel clown show churches.

>>510634965
>muh magic jew rabbi created himself just to kill himself to save you from the things he's going to do to you if you don't believe in him
No he didn't. He was explicitly clear that the salvation he offered was only for the jews.

You people are fucking lunatics

Jesus was crucified without ever masturbating once. A true waste.

>>510637211
I have read it, its just a collection of quotes from a bunch of jews pp who were schizobabbling and bickering about interpretations of their oral traditions, written jewish texts, and their jewish splinter cult

>>510650056
>n-n-no you dont understand OUR version of jew fairytale worship isn't jew worship because we worship and defend and empower jews without all the goofy americanism clown shows
You chiggers lie as naturally as you breathe. So disgustingly jewish.

>>510650643
go worship your demons ranjeet. the cow dung is waiting...

>>510650764
>babbles at boogeymen because he can't argue with what I said
That's an interesting cope, admitting you're dumber than a pajeet lmao

pick up your sandles and fuck off, your pedophile jew worshipping death cult isn't welcome here

>>510651626
>bro argue against my absolute diarrhea of an argument
no

>>510652183
>can't argue with the fact christcuckery is a jew worshipping death cult
Cool thanks for contribution to the many reasons people are turning away from you jew worshipping lunatics

>>510650261
Yah that's why God gave the kingdom of heaven to the followers of christ in the new covenant. At least study the material you are trying to dispute before you pull the same tactics as kikes.