Then buy american, shit head

weird I didn't even see it.

Based
More For Israel. :^)

>>510647354 (OP)
Considering prices haven't gone up appreciably it's actually coming out of margin before it hits the consumer.

>>510647354 (OP)
Chris Hayes might be a retard or a liar.

They charge tariffs on us, but we're not allowed? Only if the globalist baby rapists pay yourt paycheck, you fucking empty soul cunt Chris Hayes.

I hate these people with all my being.

>>510647518
This. Libcunts are mad about the poor corporations being bullied even though none of them celebrated fag month rofl

>>510647428
Oh yeah, I forgot how US companies barely import anything.
Thanks for the tip!

>>510647518
>canadian doesn't think prices are increasing in canada
Okay, cool?
Inflation has increased by 2.5% last 3 months, everything is becoming more expensive because of tariffs.

>>510648035
cope and seethe faggot, you will pay the tax for buying from brown shitholes

Stolen for Israel of course

>>510647354 (OP)
>checks flag
WTF do you care? Retard.

Good, companies undercutting american labor protections should be taxed to fund the social safety net

That's israel's money, you creepy, subterranean antisemites.

>>510648236
That's what you don't get. The left is fundamentally incompatible with the idea of nation states. They think your country is theirs, and they're going to tell you how to fix it. You have to simulate their 80 iq mind inside your construct.

Corporate chains account for somewhere between 60% and 92% of all imports. Small business owners only account for about 8% to 15% of all imported goods. The tariffs are, by a wide margin, affecting mainly corporate chains. They're essentially being taxed for importing goods. They either pay the increased levies or they search for a better deal locally, which depending on the market and how abundant it is, can seriously bolster local economies and businesses in key industries/resources in which we are rich of. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure the guy who studied economics in college and ran multiple businesses knows what he's doing here.

> inb4 muh bankruptcy

Fuck off. Irrelevant. The tariffs are bringing in massive revenue for the USG at the expense of corporate America. Trump is pressuring the rich and forcing wealth redistribution. Bernie Sanders could only dream of doing something this impressive. This is one of Trump's maneuvers that I can seriously get behind. Prices have remained stable or come down significantly since the tariffs and the threats of said tariffs.

>>510648236
You don't think Sweden imports things from America?
Luckily the Dollar is crashing faster than inflation is going up so things are just getting cheaper for us, so far.

>>510648134
All categories are 2.7% more expensive and it's only get worse every month.
Last 3 months saw inflation of 2.5% every month.
All while the dollar is crashing.
Not sure why this upsets a canacuck so much, but hey!

Rookie numbers.

>>510647354 (OP)
US government is broke and Trump tariffs were just a way to sell a tax increase to the rubes, say it ain't so
everyone said that day one. maybe the military industrial complex might get a few more factories if they are lucky but this was always the plan

>>510648035
Canadian prices are fucked for multitude of reasons, they were skyrocketing long before any tariffs. An absurd amount of scamming jeets being brought in being given free money being the primary one. We brought in a million street shitters in the first half of this year alone. It's been 15-20% of the previous population in 4 years.

>>510649005
The only prices I've seen go up are on Mexican beers and thank God for it too. Now maybe they'll have to drink less or pay more to get drunk before they're deported.

To be fair there is a 100% chance that number is pulled from his retarded ass

>>510647354 (OP)
>raising GDP per capita is "stealing"
Not how it works, retard.

>>510647428
Why am I going to support this jewish pedophile even more than he's already taxing me?

>>510647354 (OP)
>>510648035
>random euro country bitching about the US

lol who cares.

>>510649069
So what you really needed was a bordering ally putting tariffs on you?
Trump truly is making everything great

>>510649208
Or just self-deport to Mexico where coronas are cheap.

>>510647354 (OP)
inb4 balanced budget.

>>510649338
As I've already explained, this actually benefits EU.
The dollar is crashing faster than inflation, reducing our import costs.
I wouldn't say bitching as much as laughing at

>>510649362
That wouldn't actually raise *our* prices desu. Our own government has tariffed food imports that have no margin to eat into.

>>510649462
Actually it's probably great for you guys as well that the dollar is crashing

>>510649208
i think a large part of that is corporations have already been charging the absolute max they can for an item. they have plenty of data to know what that is.
if you add a tariff they know they can't really raise prices much so they have to just eat it and profit less.
that being said they will deploy as much product shrinkage as possible

>>510647354 (OP)
Tariffs work great as a threat but as an economic tool they are fucking retarded.

>>510649538
That would be good for exports. There's a reason China devalues their currency and the US is doing the same now to discourage imports and build manufacturing.

>>510649538
>dollar is crashing
Stop looking at a 4 month chart. 20 year chart looks fine. The past few weeks are up too.

>>510647518
the only way that could happen is the government subsidizing companies for their losses ---- with taxpayer dollars

regaular Americans are getting screwed by tarrifs either way

Tariffs are actually deflationary.

>>510649726
>Nooooo you can't just look at when Trump took office until now
I'm sorry it triggers you that Trump is destroying the dollar, but it's just a fact.

>>510649795
Not really, no. Importers particularly of Chinese shit have *enormous* margins. Compare Temu/Shein prices versus a store or Amazon. They have to eat into that or face domestic competition. The Chinese likely eat into their margins as well to maintain manufacturing hegemony.

>>510647682
>they charge THEIR citizens when they buy from us but we can't charge OURS?!?!?!
This entire discussion on tariffs has been mind numbing from the very beginning

>>510649849
You should go ahead and tell the economy that, but it hasn't gotten the memo

>>510649917
It's just buttmad thirdies they're not getting a free ride to destroy the West. Also jews and their golems.

>>510649318
you will support pedophiles no matter what you do. pedophilia is the glue that keeps america together.

>>510649985
I have no fucking clue what you're talking about or why you're trying to commiserate with me as if we're speaking the same language.

>>510647428
there's no other option for many products and resources idiot
and this government isn't doing anything to incentivize the growth of local factories

>>510647354 (OP)
The (((companies))) that outsourced production have stolen WAY more than that. Whole stock market is based on shilling lower costs of production as a harbinger of affordability to Americans then keeping prices the same or even higher. (((Stock market))) seemingly gives no fucks about tariffs and it’s your job to find out why the (((stock market))) gives no fucks.

>>510650084
I guess you're retarded. The opposition to tariffs has come from jews, jewish golems, and buttmad thirdies.

>>510647354 (OP)
Surely now he'll get around to abolishing income tax like he promised during the campaign, right?
Right?

>>510650048
>pedophilia is the glue that keeps america together.
the biggest crime is not sharing the cunny
they should leave some cute and funny for the rest of us

>>510647518
People just stopped buying stuff

>>510650145
You're just describing capitalism.
If you didn't want capitalism you should have voted differently

>>510650153
It also comes from a demographic called ECONOMISTS -- you know, the guys who have spent their entire lives analyzing how trade works.

>>510650221
That's weird, I wonder where the tariff revenue is coming from. Or why they'd stop buying when the prices haven't gone up appreciably.

>>510650280
Wow. It's almost like there's economists that disagree on that. The Chicago/Austrian school free trade absolutists are proselytizing a religion, not sound economic theory.

>>510648692
>so far
How’s that debt to gdp ratio going? Sweden used to export stuff. Now you’re just America-Lite, in exactly the same boat as us

>>510647986
the big corporations can take the cut, this hurts the small businesses more
all businesses need to import materials because somethings just aren't available in america. from minerals to motors, and everything in between
small businesses have much smaller margins so a tariff hits them harder so in practice what will happen is the big businesses will feel a sting for the next few years but the small businesses will be flushed out of business because they can't afford to lower prices

>>510647354 (OP)
The Left refuses to understand the power of tariffs, and the longer these mornons like Rachel Maddow continue to spew their idiotic nonsense about them, the dumber they're going to look long term, economically speaking.

>>510647354 (OP)
I thought lefties wanted raised taxes. Isn't that what Kamala ran on?

>>510650357
What you're framing as a difference in philosophy is something that, let's be clear, north of NINETY-SEVEN PERCENT of postdoc economists oppose.

>>510650501
i thought republicans wanted lower taxes? now you're okay with them raising them?

>>510649362
They get what they get because their entire industry is reliant on tariffs on the USA. American companies build factories in Canada to produce shit they then send to both markets. How is that fair on americans? We’re propping up Canadas economy while simultaneously gutting our own economy- thanks to tariffs Canada has on the USA

>>510647354 (OP)
Lol mutts paying for waste

>>510650549
Taxes have been lowered. You complained about that too.

>>510650127
name a few items that have no alternatives

>>510650548
That's cool. It's a very popular cult that paid very well. It was also gutting the country and served to destroy its industrial base, handing over strategic industries to hostile and distant foreign nations. Free trade absolutism was tried, it failed, and now it's over.

>>510647428
And hoe many 'American' USB cables have you bought, shit head?

>>510647428
>Buy (((American))) goy
>Sure it is five times the price but it was assembled right here in Ohio by our incredible Haitian immigrants

>>510650436
You used to be able to get whatever you needed in the USA but Jews decided it’s better to fire everyone, move production to fucking Laos or Cambodia, keep the price the same, make boatloads of money for the shareholders and just try to survive until no one in America has a decent enough job to afford their wares at which point they shift focus to developing consumer markets with billions of brown retards cashed up and ready to buy chinkshit

>>510649005
basically, only retard migapedes didn't see it that way.

>>510650675
It's not a cult. It's a group of independent people who all agree for their own reasons that Trump's tariffs are a terrible idea.

You
Are
A
Fucking
Idiot

>>510647354 (OP)
>Trump has stolen 106B from Americans
If you buy foreign products instead of American, then you deserve to be fucked up the ass by tariffs. Buying foreign products is an act of treason against your own country. These people are lucky they don't get tarred and feathered like they used to do to traitors back in the good old days.

I have no sympathy for them. Either buy American like a real patriot or get fucked with the tariffs. Your choice, asshole.

>>510650280
Didn't economists give us the terrible current state of the economy? Maybe we should just ignore them and do the opposite.

>>510650550
For what it's worth, American companies lobbied very heavily for that to the detriment of Canada's own domestically owned industry.

Considering US jets had to intercept that rogue plane over YVR the other day...there's a fair argument to be made we're not that much of a real country. Shame, because Trump is having a hard time making the US a real country by disconnecting from Israeli control.

>>510650633
paint
computer chips
car parts

>>510650679
That’s what tariffs are for

>>510650774
No, it's a cult. An irrational belief system that free trade is always a net good for everyone while the US has to import strategic goods from a country that wants to destroy it. Further advocacy for that religion is frankly, treason.

>>510650731
i know what happened but if your plan for course correction is to make a decision that should have been made over 20 years ago then you're not actually making decisions for the present or the future

>>510648035
So you admit it’s US corporations that rely on cheap imports that are paying the tariffs.

>>510649362
your shit is gay

>>510650788
>Didn't economists give us the terrible current state of the economy?
No, politicians gave you that. Elite capture of the government gave you the current dynamics where they get to extract value for doing the work of having existing value.

>>510650802
Wow maybe allowing crucial items such as computer chips to be exclusively manufactured abroad was a terrible decision.

>>510650802
medicine
fruits
stationary

>>510650957
So, what good are the economists then?

>>510650957
And the elite prefer free trade.

>>510651024
To support whatever trade policy the corporatists want implemented.

>>510651024
posthoc rationalization for power to do what it wants

>>510650801
Okay so you’re saying US taxpayers cover your defense while simultaneously gutting our economy to help Canadians and you’re butthurt that you don’t build enough Avro Arrows to police your own skies at your own expense? What am I missing here? You’re upset you have no sovereignty while simultaneously commanding US companies move to Canada to access your market?

>>510647354 (OP)
Almost as much as is spent on Israel.

>>510647354 (OP)
>Thanks for blaming the orange guy!

>>510650881
>An irrational belief system that free trade is always a net good for everyone
It's not an irrational belief system. What you're doing is irrational. What economists do is called RESEARCH. They spend long amounts of time aggregating and analyzing data to a rigorous standard. Then, they submit the results in this thing called a PAPER to an academic journal, where a bunch of other economists do their best to tear it apart from every possible angle (if it's a good journal). What the fuck are YOU doing right now to warrant your confidence? I'm not asking for the lie or an answer. Ask yourself that question and answer it privately. Then ask yourself if what you're doing right now isn't just parroting a bunch of bullshit you read on Twitter or 4chan.

>>510650899
Tell that to Gretta and the climate fags. It’s never too late to correct course unless your ship is already beached, which it isn’t.

>>510651183
So when economists disagree, who do we believe?

>>510650373
Were not in the same boat kid. 33% vs 124%

>>510650902
Correct they are paying the tariffs and forwarding the costs to the consumer

>>510647354 (OP)
I havent noticed any prices go up. Show me the numbers where it proves price increases that is over half the hit to the overseas manufacturer/distributor and then maybe I'll think about considering the possibility it disproportionately affects the consumer. Then we can start talking about boycotting all those who try to pass the cost along instead of eating it with the profit margin. Real actual progress you should like.

Why doesn't Israel ever give a nickel to us?

>>510651118
US companies lobbied to create the branch plant economy decades ago. At this point the provinces should just join the US. Only concern in that being we'd all remain a satrap to Israel as things stand.

>>510651262
Strange since I haven’t been paying anything extra at my stores.

>>510651047
BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST ECONOMIC POLICY. Holy FUCK you retards are dense. Wealth distribution and economics live in separate but interconnected domains. They are going to extract value no matter what the underlying system is because they have control. They choose free markets because it gives them the most value to extract.

>>510651235
Try reading some papers if you're really that interested and seeing if you can't actually develop your own educated opinions.

>>510651183
It’s bullshit though. Anecdotally, every single American knows that moving Ram 1500 production to Mexico increase the price from $40k to $100k. Data be damned at this point, let me just gouge out my own lying eyes.

>>510647518
This
>>510648035
don't move goalposts, faggot
>>510650221
untrue, but irrelevant
>>510647354 (OP)
/thread

>>510651183
No, it's not rational. The end result was the importing of strategic goods from hostile states across vast distances. That's the hard evidence, not bullshit papers and predictions. The COVID disruptions proved this was a horrible idea and you're a traitor that should face the wall.

>>510651304
How is it the best economy when people under the age of 30 have no realistic way to the same status as their parents?

Do you even know what the average age of a homeowner is in America?

>>510651001
Probably 90% the fruit I eat comes from the US.

>>510651303
Because the dollar is crashing.
It makes it appear as the prices are similar, but your purchasing power is less

>>510647354 (OP)
They also passed a bill for 4 trillion.

>>510651377
I do read papers. You are the one who is defending this Keynesian system without knowing it is as such.

>>510647354 (OP)
It's not the Americans who must pay tariffs but the wholesale importers. They and the merchants are the ones who charge more from Americans to keep their profits high. Just compare the wholesale prices with customer prices, it's often several hundred percent difference. There was and is no need to increase prices just because of tariffs.

>>510650788
the opposite has also been attempted before. you're approahcing this like a simple brain

>>510650988
>>510650902
yes this was a mistake
but trying to course correct souly punitively is stupid. the punishment of tariffs doesn't last. it hurts the small businesses more that are trying to operate in this hellscape and by the time is actually hurts the big businesses the tariffs can just be removed like they will when trump leaves.
there needs to be long term plans and incentives to actually bring back manufacturing into the states

republicans are all talk on this stuff and never have a plan and are perfectly okay with selling out the american peolpe to the highest bidder

>>510651414
You're not understanding what I'm saying. You're invested in resisting the new (correct) frame because it invalidates your entire vibes movement.

>>510647354 (OP)
>raise $106 from tariffs
>money is paid by customers
>give those $106 as tax cuts to the rich and big corps.
Nice!

>>510647428
I dont think the customers bought all that from outside the US. There are probably ressources and mechanical parts for the industry in there too.

>>510651426
We’ve always tried to devalue the dollar because it makes our exports cheaper. Plus our primary export IS the dollar, so it’s better if it’s cheaper so you foreigners are more willing to buy it.

>>510647428
buying american isn't cheaper or else these tariffs wouldn't be getting paid in the first place. Dumbass.

>>510651262
We used to be like you, cocky; belligerent; un-jewed. It’s only a matter of time. They make Volvos in China now and it’s a slippery slope.

>>510651399
You're hopeless. Best of luck to you.

>>510651526
That's neat, has nothing to do with your claim that prices aren't going up

>>510651483
No I understand what you’re trying to say. You’re just wrong and stupid and don’t have a single clue as to what you’re talking about.

You insist a system that allows a select few people to extract all value from our nation as being “the best” system without providing any evidence as to why.

>>510651204
reading comprehension
you can course correct but the decisions need to be based around what is happening in the present and plans for how you will get to the future

these tariffs should have been imposed when factories were first being shipped to 3rd world countries
but what are the plans that make sense for how our economy is now

>>510651568
Well, you lost, tariffs are here to stay, as they are in every other fucking country that isn't riddled with treasonous jews and their retarded golems - (you). So remain hopeless, I guess.

>>510651606
you haven't proven that the "opposite" would prevent what you're complaining about whatsoever. glass houses, casting stones and so on

>>510651579
Explain how prices ever went up in the first place then.
You don’t seem to understand what economic equilibrium is.

>>510647354 (OP)
China is paying the tariffs.

>>510651741
Because before the dollar wasn't crashing.
I don't know what's hard to understand

>>510651741
>monetary supply increases
>increases demand for any of labor, capital materials
>increases demand for consumer goods
>so on and so on reflexive loop

>>510651298
No they didn’t. Your government mandated it. USA considers Canadians to be fellow Americans while Canadians consider Americans to be subhuman orcs so there are fundamental cultural qualities the (((contract signers))) ignored completely. Like Trump says, our people are stupid. Regardless, you get free defense on my dime while simultaneously making my wife fly porter air to go to a factory in Hamilton and leaving me with the kids for days at a time so FUCK CANADA

>>510651735
Why do I need to prove that a system that offers even a small restriction on the small upper class to extract wealth from the nation would be beneficial?
The portion of the economic bounty that is available to the average American is decreasing. This is proven by the amount of debt people are holding now a days.

Why do I need to prove to you that our nation living on debt is not a good thing for our future?

>>510651815
>>510651875
Then why weren’t prices constantly decreasing before “the dollar was crashing”?

>>510647428
>Buy chinkerican
Ftfy. Temu saved me a fuckton. Trump ruined it. Now Temu's prices are 2-3xs more than Amazon and Walmart's already inflated made in Chinkerica prices. Fuck Trump's Israeli tariff stimulusbux

Most regular people arent hurting because they are paying a bit more for various goods. People are primarily having a hard time because housing prices are insane. And that has fairly little to do with tariffs and unlike housing prices the tariffs actually do have at least some positive effects.

>>510651946
>Why do I need to prove that a system that offers even a small restriction on the small upper class to extract wealth from the nation would be beneficial?
because you're operating under the comically flawed premise that tariffs are a small restriction on the small upper class to extract wealth from the nation

>>510651992
i'll refer you back to my post here >>510651875

>>510651646
Because when it is cheaper to produce shit in America than Laos then jobs return and Americans get richer. There is just a temporary “teething” stage we have to bite the bullet to account for all the wealth generated in the stock market from these companies outsourcing to shitholes without lowering prices. It just so happens that inflation is too high for the American consumer right now anyway, so this gives us some reprieve due to deflationary pressure of no one wanting to buy anything, let alone chinkshit

>>510651480
Economics aren't that complicated. Economists like to try to make them seem that way. But, it's all pretty simple.

>>510651047
then how do monopiles happen?
why do private equity firms like to buy out competition?
why do public companies on the stock market hate innovating?

>>510651815
If everything was still made here then we wouldn’t give a fuck about relative currency prices

>>510652223
i sort of agree, but you're still getting hopelessly filtered.

>>510651992
>Then why weren’t prices constantly decreasing
What do you mean? If things are stable then nothing happens.
If inflation goes up and dollar value goes down at the same rates, prices stay the same.
Things are actually more expensive because your purchasing power is less.
Can you explain what you're not understanding

>>510652309
totally. that's why China doesn't care about its currency exchange at all, right?

>>510652000
Temu shit is and always has been garbage. Now post your tits and a sharpie in your pooper wench, you know the rules

>>510652197
whats stopping from these tariffs from getting removed when trump leaves office?
or hell whats stopping them from getting removed in the next few months?
why aren't we seeing more factories pop up?

>>510650774
Lolbertarian cult follower doesn't realize jews lied to him about economics. The founding fathers of America were pro-tarrifs.

The US flourished with tarrifs. The US stop relying on tarrifs at the exact same time the (((Federal Reserve))) was created. What a massive fucking (((coincidence))).

>>510647354 (OP)
So $100 billion dollars worth of good needed to be produced by American businesses instead of foreign ones and that's "stealing from Americans". Every day I wake up and praise God that I am not retarded like you shills.

>>510652701
>needed to be produced by American businesses
this is where you fucked up

>>510652309
"everything" can't be made in the U.S first of all.
It's not a small challenge to create something entirely in the U.S and make it cheaper than it is to just import it.
I don't even think it's possible when it comes to most electronics.
But I would be interesting in seeing an economist break it down

>>510652468
You mean the fact they don’t want their currency to appreciate against the dollar? When I went to China in 2006 the exchange rate was 6-6.5 rmb to the dollar. What is it now 20 years later after intense development and progress and becoming a near peer? 7.2 CNY to the dollar. How the FUCK did China get a cheaper currency during the last 20 years after all the LEDs on their buildings and upside down trains? Fuck off chang.

>>510647354 (OP)
He gave the military an extra 250 billion. He hasn’t done shit.

>>510647428
He's Swedish. He only drinks cum.

>>510652888
We were doing just fine up until 2001 when China joined the WTO. It wasn’t 9/11 that was the paradigm shift that ended the comfiest decade in human history, it was the WTO and China.

>>510652933
correct. so you are not only admitting that manufacturing centers care about currency exchange, but that you've also observed this anecdotally in your own life.

>>510647428
>Just buy [NON-EXISTANT THING]
Lol, lmao

>>510652566
Nothing. So democrats are the party of big business now? You’re ready to admit it? I remember a time when democrats used to give a fuck about the working class. So much so that Antifa had a riot in Seattle against free trade. Now every leftard loves Laotian slave labor.

>>510652594
>real world data
The last time America had Tariffs about 80% of the population were slaves to barons.

>>510653326
yes both "parties" have weirdly flipped on many aspects of economic policy over the past decade. Been bizarre to watch.

>>510649849
then why are prices rising?

>>510652038
Increasing offshoring costs and outsourcing costs most definitely pushes on the corporate class. Are you actually retarded?
>>510652094
Ok explain why it’s changed. How come what applied before no longer applies?

>>510652888
everything can be made in america
but the issue is that it would take a lot of long term planning to really make that a reality
ignoring how expensive it will be for one you also need a properly educated and skilled workforce that can work in factories that make stuff more advanced than plastic lids
you need to move the economy in ways to where it would be reasonable for people to work in a factory, farm, or mine
and investors need to feel confident that their plan to make these places would be a good decision. how do you make conditions like those?
>>510653326
see>>510650436
tariffs hurt small businesses more than big businesses

>>510647428
America doesn't make stuff because it's an advanced, post-industrial society and doesn't want jobs making sneakers for 30 cents an hour, you complete fucking moron. We build software instead of hardware because software has higher margins, is more scalable, and is more agile.

Producing stuff in America would literally triple the cost in many instances. Nobody is buying an Xbox for $1,800, so Microsoft would simply waste heaps of money building factories here for nothing.

>>510652236
Because of barriers to entry. If competitors can’t out compete Chinese manufactured inputs then they can’t compete against the handful of corporations who utilize outsourcing and offshoring.

>>510653148
That’s the point of tariffs. Tariffs offset the blatant manipulation. That manipulation occurred regardless of the tariffs. Where’s the “anecdotal evidence” that currency manipulation increases domestic prices in the “manufacturing center” location, if Chinas economy increasingly spanks the USA in terms of PPP?

>>510652452
The part where you insist we have no price changes because of the value of the dollar decreasing.
The value of the dollar has always been decreasing. Where is this price decreasing action, if it’s enough to offset the price increases due to tariffs?

>>510653628
>tariffs hurt small businesses more than big businesses
Then why are big businesses the ones crying about tariffs?

>>510653609
>How come what applied before no longer applies?
it does apply. I'm not sure what makes you think that it doesn't apply anymore. That doesn't mean that massive interventions won't produce a stepwise shift toward a new equilibrium on which the over-arching price-altering forces will continue to work.

as it pertains to the burden of higher production costs, you're bing naive.

>>510653672
this goes beyond factories
big tech and games have been stagnant for years and once a company becomes public its just a race to the bottom
private equity isn't muh better. just look at what they've done to healthcare in this country

>foreigner eurolibs seething
oh no!

>>510647354 (OP)
They set this Biden clone free now that he isn't president? So wholesome!

>>510653738
you're asking me to provide evidence of things that I never claimed. you need to read better.

>>510653809
you think small businesses aren't getting hurt?
and if these tariffs are such a boon for the american worker
where are all those new jobs?

The only solution is to form a trade block against USA and Israel, 4x tariff all US goods and kick them out of NATO.

>>510653747
>The value of the dollar has always been decreasing
No, it hasn't. It's been going up since 2008.
Only real significant down spiral has only been since Trump took office.
Does that clear things up?

>>510653628
Horse shit. What kind of small businesses are we talking about? Drop shippers? Who gives a fuck? Die in a fire or do something productive. Not sell a product some slave made in a shithole with a massive markup so you can drive around in a Porsche without adding any value to the economy except paying more taxes to buy bombs to drop on middle eastern goat fuckers and muh Russians

>>510647518
A lot of companies bought up to 12 months worth of inventory/supplies as soon as it was announced dipshit.

>>510654341
well there's auto repair

>>510647354 (OP)
Stay in your lane, tranny.

>>510653665
Nobody wants to make sneakers for $0.30 an hour, not even Cambodians. Now if the price to make $200 sneakers is $8 an hour, with zero logistical costs, where employees and the environment are protected, the $200 sneakers might be worth $200. The loser is the shareholder in the publicly listed company who has sat back and watched line go up while society crumbles around them. Was 90s USA better than 2020s USA? No doubt. What’s the difference between then and now? (((Outsourcing))). Black and white. Patently obvious.

>>510654341
i tend to agree that big businesses have more to lose, but they're also more resilient. But since you took just about zero time to think this through: agriculture, certain retail, construction, transportation & logistics, anything that involves machinery

>>510651886
>a factory in Hamilton
My condolences. That place is an awful shithole no one should have to visit let alone live in.

>>510654667
this. name one single time that businesses increased their pricing when input costs went up? never happens.

>>510647354 (OP)
just like Doge saved hundreds of billions.
post proof or fuck off.

>>510653672
China doesn’t have environmental or labor protections except for a few suicide nets. USA has to compete against factories with suicide nets and tubes dumping sludge into rivers and that’s supposed to mean we simply can’t compete? No shit. But what about the unquantifiable externalities? Economists are wilfully ignorant

>>510654433
Funny, because there isn't 12 months worth of inventory available and the tariffs are paid when the imports actually ship, not when they're ordered. Also outside of some isolated cases, that's going to be total bullshit you made up.

>>510654921
>But what about the unquantifiable externalities? Economists are wilfully ignorant
do you want to know how I know that you haven't actually read much that has been published by economists?

>>510653869
>it does apply
Ok then why weren’t prices decreasing before the tariffs?
>>510653968
>this goes beyond factories
I never mentioned factories. This is about fiscal barriers of entry and offshoring our manufacturing base.

We offshored our manufacturing base to generate profits. Now we are at the peak of what profits can be generated by offshoring literally everything to China and then up-charging Americans. China realizes they can just bypass the middle man that is the American corporation, which means the gravy train is over.

>>510654089
Small businesses do not live in the current economy (pre tariffs). For them, nothing changes. They continue to get crushed by the large corporations that have the ability to lobby for favorable trade policy.

>>510655411
>Ok then why weren’t prices decreasing before the tariffs?
I don't know how you're struggling so much with this. It was explained to you. Tariffs existed before these current ones. Regardless of that, they aren't the only factor influencing prices. This shouldn't be making you so confused.

>>510654251
>it’s been going up
According to who, exactly? What happened in 2008 around the world?

>>510647354 (OP)
thanks for posting a comment from a fucking gay jew, quality thread

>>510654921
If we erect trade barriers that offset the advantage Chinese manufacturing has, we can begin to fix the damage free global trade has done to our economy.

>>510647354 (OP)
Good. Trump send me 1 million.

>>510655512
Tariffs existed in 2012? Because consumer prices have been going up since 2008.

>>510647354 (OP)
>the left now hates taxes

>>510655518
he's talking about exchange rates, retard. USD gained vs. almost every single major currency from 2008-2020

>>510647354 (OP)
Chris Hayes is a retard.

>>510655698
So other currencies aren’t also fiat? The comparison is meaningless when all metrics involved are floating.

Once you understand the nature of a reserve currency, you’ll understand why the Swede is retarded.

>>510655654
>Tariffs existed in 2012?
yes. and before and after that

>Because consumer prices have been going up since 2008.
consumer prices have been going up since before 2008, retard. Though you are wise to recognize that 2008 coincided with the increase in money supply, like I previously mentioned and have repeatedly referred you to.

>>510655825
So then what’s the problem with tariffs then if we’ve always had them?

>>510655748
>that diagram prove it's going to trickle down any day now
yeah ok
any day

>>510655756
you think that you're several steps ahead, when you are actually several steps behind.

>>510655859
food isn't the problem for an obese person, because thin people also eat

>>510655878
>>510655943
personal insults and ad hominem yield your argument.
I accept your concession.

>>510654811
Wow what a clever and facetious guy, as if Americans weren’t making good money and better products than chinks before globalization was a thing. The point is that we used to buy sneakers made in America and no one batted an eye. If it was possible before it’s possible now. The tariff on shitholes softens the blow of having to compete with third world shitholes, end of story. At some point an American company will devise a way to manufacture shoes that are competitive with the third world while also guaranteeing the labor and environmental protections befitting of a first world economy. Any argument against this is Hebrew pilpul and you know it. What’s funny is I can name a hundred instances of companies outsourcing production then raising prices.

>>510654704
Did I take zero time because I’m dumb or just smart? Agriculture? Retail? Construction? Transport and logistics? Machinery? There are all domestic industries with domestic inputs. What the fuck is your point smart guy? USA had none of those industries before globalization? Boo fucking hoo if Maersk doesn’t reach its quarterly projection cause USA no longer needs their ships to import chinkshit from Shanghai

>>510656035
neither of those apply to the posts that you referenced, sadly

>>510656105
This post is an ad hominem
>>510655878

Again, if you had an argument you would state it and wouldn’t resort to tongue in cheek comments.

>>510656094
>Agriculture? Retail? Construction? Transport and logistics? Machinery? There are all domestic industries with domestic inputs.
there's no reason for anyone think you have any credibility on this topic whatsoever after you make that post. just completely embarassed yourself

>>510655021
>muh snarky bullshit because you lost an argument

>>510655690
>the right now loves taxes

>>510656190
they've been made numerous times already ITT. you are making an argument that there are other factors that influence prices, but that was already a claim that I made like 30 minutes ago. you didn't even realize this. You also seem unwilling to accept that both the money supply and trade restrictions can influence consumer prices.

>>510655484
so nothing changes

>>510656202
it was snarky, but the arugment wasn't lost. these are very common topics in economic literature, and you didn't realize that.

>>510655589
That’s the point I’m trying to make with these share holding boomer Jews talking about comparative advantage while chinks work 18 hours a day at veritable gunpoint

>>510656290
Don’t expect me to do your homework for you. You simply do not have an argument that resists criticism which is why you resort to ad hominem.

So either answer the question or concede.

>>510656336
Except now we have a new tax on corporations who utilize foreign inputs.

>>510656474
It’s obvious to anyone who knows economics. The only people who deny it are jews looking to protect their hoards and their useful goyim who regurgitate propaganda they’ve been reading online.

Why are anti-trump threads always full of pajeets going nuts in defense of trump? And it's always leaf, bong or meme flags. Do the pajeets and trump have some kind of alliance, or is it one-sided?

>>510656505
it's already been answered multiple times, including in the post to which you just responded. other currencies are fiat, obviously. The fact that tariffs have existed in the past very obviously isn't sufficient proof that adding subsantially more tariffs won't have an adverse impact. this shouldn't have been so difficult for you to surmise (either through simple thought or through reading my posts), and you've now spent several posts trying to deflect rather than accept this very basic and obvious fact.

>>510654921
>China doesn’t have environmental or labor protections
Your knowledge is at least 10 years old.

>>51065619
>loses argument
>y-you should be embarrassed!
…
>agriculture, on your own land, is not domestic
>construction, on your own land, is not domestic
>retail, as in a local buying product offered locally, is not domestic
>machinery production is not domestic (despite the fact we’ve been making tractors and airplanes and cars for a hundred years)
I’m embarrassing? You’re embarrassed. You have an economics degree? Some kind of economics PhD? You are the problem. America does not need the rest of the world. Never did. Shareholders need it but the USA as an economic power definitely does not.

>>510656190
Exactly! They’re a Chink or Jewish shill that can’t be bothered to formulate rebuttals yet remains in the thread for boomer purposes. Nigger probably has a heart condition from all the vaccines they took, either that or diabetes from all the rice and $0¥

>>510647428
They can't grow tropical fruit in North America, or coffee for example.

>>510656338
>(((economics literature)))
Now how’s that for an ad hominem Moshe?

>>510647428
All Americans make are retards and guns.
That's all.

>>510647354 (OP)
>raised taxes on Americans by $106.1 billion dollars
Stop buying foreign shit then.

>>510647428
or elect your own president

>>510657111
>source: ministry of… tofu?
Ching Chong nip nong wong

>>510650988
God I can't wait until Trump puts you all in camps.

>>510657350
>>510656921
Why’d you delete your post faggot? I was just about to argue that america didn’t have stores or farms of factories before china showed up to rescue us from our mud huts in 2001, essentially agreeing with you

>>510656921
> The fact that tariffs have existed in the past very obviously isn't sufficient proof that adding subsantially more tariffs won't have an adverse impact
The fact that we already have tariffs is itself proof that adding more tariffs won’t have an adverse impact, since it didn’t have an impact the last time they were implemented.

You’re just fearmongering over change at this point.

>>510658190
We all know you will be in the camp long before I am.

>>510657942
>No buy the faggot sex boyim!
I will continue enjoying firm fox tiddies and tradcucks will seethe!

>>510648035
>Okay, cool?
kys

>>510650280
>(((experts)))) say that...
Doctor's said that masks worked and vaccines were safe and effective. Judges said Diddy was innocent. Federal investigators said Epstein killed himself. Anyone can be paid off you blithering imbecile

>>510652491
It's the same chinkslop from Tractor Supply, Lowe's, Home Depot, Amazon, Target, Walmart. Nobody is going to do back-breaking factory belt assembly line work 8 hours a day without looking on their phones but illegal beaners. You really think zoom zooms are going to stand around all day putting Oster toasters and Hamilton espresso machines together LMAO

>>510658661
Which is why a tariff acting as another tax on corporations is a good thing.

>>510647428
They sold American industry to China, Taiwan and India in the 90’s retard. They hate us and want us to die, why is that so hard for people to process?

THEY
HATE
YOU
AND
WANT
YOU
TO
DIE

>>510647428
Here is your ugly tranny, that will be 399.99. MIGA!

>>510658661
Depends how much it pays. I’m a pro gardener and I have people telling me all day long that we need Mexicans because they do the jobs Americans don’t want. With a straight face. To my face.

>>510647518
Except they have.
Even the stuff that is allegedly local increased 10-30%.
This is just in the last nine months, mind you.
Now MAID yourself.
>>510647986
Don't make me get the sign.

>>510647428
We don't fucking make 99.9% shit on AliExpress dumbass and it will not change

>>510647428
i wish you morons realized you're morons. due to the dodge brother's lawsuit against henry ford back in the day, if they can raise their prices and still be the cheaper alternative, that is legally required. the only way you get around that is like arizona tea does and you just can't have investors, then you can set your prices how you want but if you have investors, you can't NOT raise prices without risking a felony charge and it's been that way for about 80 years

>>510659028
Maybe Americans should stop buying cheap shit from China?

>>510647428
The crazy thing is, buying foreign is still cheaper.

>>510650777
So this is the new eglin troon psyop?
For the humans in the crowd:
Weimerican: Slop made by niggers.
Import: Can be slop made by niggers, can be slop made by Chinese, can be good products made by humans... cheaper in all cases.

>>510659204
That’s because most “American” companies are just slapping their label on Chinese imports.

>>510658517
This. They also say if you outsource production, prices go down while the S&P and inflation simultaneously hit higher highs.
>Hey if only we move production to Mexico trucks will be cheaper
>base model trucks hit $60k
>must be muh Biden or muh Trump or something. ANYWAY. THATLL BE $65k PLUS TIP

>>510659296
It all leads to the logical conclusion of the customer base being offshored right after the corporate headquarters is offshored as well.

I can’t tell if this is American corporations being stolen or globalist leeches being excised but it must happen either way.

>>510647518
Prices have gone up appreciably and they're never coming back down.

>>510659062
So you’re suggesting we eliminate stock markets? Somebody call the FBI, we got the next Hitler posting over here. Cool it with the antisemitism pal, /pol/ is a board of peace

>>510651475
Any price increases for any reason are always shunted on the consumer.
Always.

>>510647354 (OP)
don't care, just get on welfare to make the LIBERALS SEETHE

Why are people retards w\ tariffs? There shouldn't even be discussion about it.. it works. Also all of this penny pinching is a great call back to the bogus impeachment in which the first trump admin had paused funding for various countries including ukraine.

>>510647354 (OP)
BASED
US citizens aren't taxed enough

>>510659467
Jeez I guess when you put it that way we should just not bother to tax corporations since that will be passed to consumers.

>>510648035
If it wasn't for your women there'd be a bounty on Swedes.

Look at the fake distance between him and Muskovitz again.
>NTR88K

>>510658958
It ain't gonna pay shit and you know it. Corporations can't make money selling only to Muricans. They will lose money because of the retarded tariffs when global consumer demand falls deep in the red

>>510659565
They'll use jew jitsu and dodge the taxes but pass them on anyway.
The solution is TJD.

>>510650289
>>510651398
USA imports $4.1 trillion in value and we talkin’ ‘bout $106 billion in tariff revenue?

>>510660179
Global market shit gets made in China, domestic market shit gets made in America. Don’t be obtuse.

>>510647518
100% this.

The items are still on the shelves

>>510659565
>>510659398

>>510647354 (OP)
>Americans are paying tarriffs on foreigners
Oh look, a Saturn Worshipping Somali Islamo-nigger doesn't know how tariffs work. Color me shocked, bulbhead.

>>510647354 (OP)
Since when do communists care about raising taxes? We need to stop calling them leftists, liberals, democrats, progressives, socialists, etc. Lets instead start calling them what they are, Communists and Marxists.

>>510661166
>Americans are paying tarriffs on foreigners
No idea what you are trying to say

>>510660908
Nike is still cheaper to make in China with the bent-knee tariffs and is cheaper to buy Jordans in Brazil vs here. Keep coping magatard

>>510661573
Then the tariffs are too low

>>510647354 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hXa1dF5P6I

>>510659277
>Import: Can be slop made by niggers, can be slop made by Chinese, can be good products made by humans... cheaper in all cases.
But this provides jobs to foreigners and NOT to Americans.

>>510647428
106b is fucking chicken scratch for government . How about long term losses?

>>510647354 (OP)

Ok but why is inflation so low, then? Like, if tariffs are a tax which gets passed onto the consumer in the form of higher prices, why aren't the prices higher? Could it be that after four years of Bidenomics the American consumer market can't bear prices much higher than they already are, and that third world exporters need the American consumer market so badly that they just eat the cost and accept a lower profit-margin? Perhaps along with unfucking Biden's energy policy which means cheaper energy for production, cheaper gas for transport and tourism, and therefore downward pressure on prices. Globally of course, since the price of oil worldwide is driven downward by America's vast capacity for production.

>>510663165
>How about long term losses?
How about long term gains by American manufacturing jobs coming back?

>>510663271
>How about long term gains by American manufacturing jobs coming back?
Remind me, how many jobs did Trump bring back last time?
No wait, I'll remind you.
There was a short burst of 400k jobs which slowly dwindle down to negative digits even before COVID hit

>>510649913

The Chinese government actually pays certain large "public/private partnership" manufacturers to keep making things and just pile them up hoping they'll sell some day. Turns out "State Capitalism" is actually just the strategies of Keynes enacted by the methods of Stalin

>>510647516
Reminder dark semites get more military aid then the light ones.

>>510663514
>Remind me, how many jobs did Trump bring back last time?
A lot. 2019 was the greatest economic year on record. Picrel.
>>510663514
>There was a short burst of 400k jobs which slowly dwindle down to negative digits even before COVID hit
Lies. Nevertheless, the CHINA VIRUS did hit, but it doesn't take away from how the economy was booming in the year prior. You can lie all you want but the record exists for all to see and it exposes you to be the retarded conman liar that you are. So go ahead and say some more shit and dig your grave even deeper, fool.

>>510663727
>I hate white people
Maybe he does, but his enemy who he's fighting over there most definitely does. These things aren't mutually exclusive.

>>510647354 (OP)
The importers aren't necessarily Americans so the statement is false. Italians can come to America and operate import businesses thanks to their ties to producers back home. The Chinese do this as well. Then they sell the products to retailers in America. Import tariffs have been raised, not taxes. To avoid the tariffs these operations can simply produce their goods domestically whereas taxes require deductions or other loopholes.

>>510662915
>Oy vey boyim, don't notice the foreigners right here!
Ain't no Chinese or Japanese called me Evil for being a Straight White Male.
They also cucktiff the raw materials, so lol and lmao.

>>510661856
They were never meant to be high. It was all an Israeli ruse like the epstein philes

>>510665807
>Hoping nobody knows it was you
The first thing you chinks tried to teach me when I was a foreign exchange in China 20 years ago was that it's not sex it's gender now.

>>510664661
>Can't defend his point so shows a graph of a random numbers instead
I appreciate you cared enough to reply with moving the goal post.
But sadly you have done nothing to prove Trump brought back manufacturing jobs

>$1T+ deficit
>$40T+ debt
>credit rating down-graded
>tariffs from an economy that builds nothing
>"MILLIONS OF LEGAL POOJEETS" about to cause hyper inflation
>tourism crashed
>MIC market has many peer competitors
>global kike golem pariah...
It's Navarrover.

>>510667168
The record low unemployment rate indicates job creation, dummy.

>>510668778
>indicates
Still not showing manufacturing jobs.

>>510668817
>Still not showing manufacturing jobs.
Jobs are jobs. Some of them were in manufacturing, undoubtedly.

>>510656094
imagine being this aggressively ignorant

>>510665112
Producing goods domestically adds employment and additional tax base in the US, that’s not “getting around” the law it’s the intended effect. You either suffer margin compression or you move production to the US.

>>510663166
Everyone with a brain knew this is how it would go, “tarrifs get passed along to the consumer” is kike FUD to protect profits, that’s all.

Okay so why wont they remove income tax?

>>510647354 (OP)
>from americans
*from corporations and drop shipper (((small businesses))). My taxes haven't gone up at all.

>>510647428
fuck you are retarded

>>510668988
>Some of them were in manufacturing, undoubtedly.
Actually no. That's what I've been saying the entire time.
They did not increase.
If they did, you would have showed it as well

>>510650988
this isn't 1890 you retarded nigger all advanced manufacturing requires international trade to work

>>510647354 (OP)
>rump has stolen 106B from Americans

Call It What It Is – Treason

https://youtu.be/L8NcAqithXU

buy american made then lol