prior to 9/11?
I was watching Bill Clinton get interviewed by Roger Ebert in 2000
>https://youtu.be/1_ytFVWVaTs?si=TbM_upOmsOByXidj
And they have an entire segment about how young American men at the time like the movie Fight Club because they have no Vietnam to speak of and are sort of distanced from real violence. You just don't get the sense at all that anyone was anticipating 9/11 or any type of war on the horizon.

Did people think that history had been "solved" by the late 90s?

>>510683438 (OP)
i was only like 10 but i remember everything felt really good and optimistic after Y2K blew over and 2000 memes were going strong it would've been the best time of my life if my parents weren't regularly beating me and making me sleep in the garage

>>510683438 (OP)
Kind of related: I watched Anthony Bourdain No Reservations season 1 episode 3 I think, Uzbekistan, and even though it was post 9/11 it was still very different from today. No smart phones for one thing, but also he was able to go to so many places you couldn’t even go today, and the people in these places didn’t have tourist exhaustion like they do today. Seeing a foreigner was still interesting.

it was a better world precisely because people expected it to become better. we're not going back until after the next civil war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShiShrR_nh8

>>510684077
Out of my element here but that first wave of post grunge was pretty good? Live, Silverchair, early Foo, that band that sounded like Alice in Chains where the lead singer was on A&E's intervention. I miss it.
>>510683880
One of my life regrets is not traveling pre COVID.

>>510683438 (OP)
>prior to 9/11
for those who were there to witness it, I would say it would be about excitement. This time was the advent of peak USA pop-culture. In music, movies, media in general. The world reflected this sentiment too. When I visited the middle-east and even in Japan, did I hear early-2000's music still being played in the restaurants, bars and stores. USA was just that influential then. If you asked Americans today, they would remember a song or movie from that era.
>pre-2000
even though Japan was in economic downfall, they were still very much influential in the engineering world. Cars, electronics, media. I think Americans then were clamoring for something fresh and new to come out locally. Outside of the USA, people were focused on the European side of things. Evens such as fall of Communist national identity and rise of nations economically at the Eastern European side was making headlines. Exciting music and media in the late-90's were there, it reflected deeply the time of change. People were just waiting to turn a new page and you could see it if you watched some Y2K or 2000's New Year coverage.

It felt like the possibilities were endless and that by 2020 we'd be living in a clean, prosperous utopian society with flying cars. Then OP was born and everything went to shit.

>>510683438 (OP)
>Did people think that history had been "solved" by the late 90s?

More or less, yes. This is Francis Fukuyama's "end of history" thesis. It was being proposed that the fall of the USSR and the US being left as the sole world superpower had "proven" the superiority of liberal democracy, and that there basically weren't any more "real" political struggles left. The future was thought to be nothing more than an infinite process of solving technical issues from then on with no more valid political conflicts.

>What did people expect the 2000s to be like

Basically that we would rapidly transition into a tertiary economy. Manufacturing would be shifted offshore for savings, while the dot-com boom would continue forever, creating millions of tech and service sector jobs that would ensure prosperity for the american people.

>>510683438 (OP)
I knew the music and movies were getting worse but I never expected everything in general to get this bad. Glad I bought a cheap house before shit hit the fan.

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>>510683438 (OP)
>You just don't get the sense at all that anyone was anticipating 9/11 or any type of war on the horizon
Anyone paying attention at the time were anticipating an attack and being dragged into more wars in the Middle East after our intervention during the Gulf War, you just didn't know where. Bin Laden was intending to attack New York skyscrapers as early as 1990 and bombed the Trade Center basement in 1993. He escalated by bombing US embassies in 1998, and even planned bombing LAX on New Years Day 2000. Bush knew as early as August 2001 of a plot to attack the US before 9/11 occurred. Little did anyone know Bin Laden was going to dial it up to 11 with using planes as missiles.

>>510683438 (OP)
We thought the Cold War was over forever, Than came the rise of China.

>>510685080
Rolling for dead niggers

>>510684590
The arrogance of the global elite is just astounding.

>>510683438 (OP)
I served during the 90's and knew a lot of people in the intel field...after the first WTC Bombing in '93, the USS Cole, and Khobar Towers and Oklahoma City it was just a matter of time before something huge was gonna happen...we were told it was not if it would happen but when.

>>510686336
and yet you let them get away with it over and over and over again

>>510683438 (OP)
Piggybacking on my previous post...for the truly ignorant the 90's was the last real decade for having any kind of fun. 9/11 and the Patriot Act changed everything we knew.

>>510686430
Oh believe me, I was pissed when I found out after the fact all this shit could have been prevented but Clinton refused to move on the Intel about Bin Laden at Tora Bora, he let him go.

>>510686524
Dude, wake up.
There were no fucking planes.
Bin Laden died well before that blackhawk went down.

>>510683438 (OP)
Like a the prodigy soundtrack

>>510685080
Truck of peace?

>>510685856
Five decades of American subsidies helped a lot with that one.

Women ruined the entire thing. Blacks and Women cooperated with drug and human trafficking and then did absolutely nothing but take on medical professions and take contraceptives. A one eyed weapon with a mouth.
Media became invaded by pedophiles and “actors” so hollywood and illuminati form a banking coalition called blackrock to subvert our minds into sympathizers. Cyber warfare and bullying comes next to solidify drug music industry by creating artists and corporate instructors to practically institutionalize (with red coated criminal lawyers, teachers, and cops) generations of youths. These youths became obsessed with their sub cultures and narcotics that over the years they got themselves killed by gangs or overdoses. The youth became completely warped and basically bailed out to digital social mediums where later it becomes their learning curve.
The white people at the time in the 90s that had progress were halted by murderers, and saboteurs. The police and ceos pretty much unhanded all independent business to Bill Gates.
Timothy Mcveighs ice cream choice was a hint to the people that know that he was innocent and wanted to die like it because of his soldier background and he didnt attempt further court proceedings. Also the unabomber conspiracy ends as he had nothing to do with it. They were after american writers and people active in the mailing. HAM radios are controlled by licenses, so freedom of speech is now vocal, and reinforced by cyber and television relevance with media.

>>510683438 (OP)
>Did people think that history had been "solved" by the late 90s?
unironically yes. the 90s were literally peak humanity and it was hard to imagine going down from there because it was so good

>>510686524
>Oh believe me, I was pissed when I found out after the fact all this shit could have been prevented
Cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks

>>510687288
being exempted from the Kyoto protocol because they were a developing country helped too.

>>510683438 (OP)
>history had been "solved"

>>510683438 (OP)
The average person legitimately believed everything was getting better and the future was something to look forward to. Yes there was an undercurrent of angst, but it was decidedly NOT mainstream and most people did not relate to it, it was mostly born out of a feeling of apathy which originated in the PNW specifically.

When I was 8, we bought boxes of "Millenni-O's" cereal and made time capsules out of them in 1999. We wanted to open them again in like 2020 or something to see how much things have changed for the better to compare to the "old" days. After the 2008 recession I opened them in 2010 because I knew things were now getting worse, and I was right. They took this from you, and don't you ever forget it.

>>510683438 (OP)
Media nigger fatigue helped me notice the writing on the wall for western civ as far back as late 1980's, but I did not anticipate 9/11 at all.

>>510683438 (OP)
Nearly everyone who was alive for that time will agree that the 90s and even early 2000s were the best time in America.
9/11 was a huge deal but it actually galvanized the people, the racial differences kind of eased, people felt like they were American first
The 2008 financial crisis fucked a lot of people up and to me really marked the beginning of the downward projection that hasn't stopped since.
It's almost 20 years since then and it feels like we still haven't recovered and the social cohesion has just slowly devolved
I hope it turns around but idk it's not looking that great right now in my opinion

>>510683438 (OP)
People expected the 2000s to be like what China is now. Whites went down the wrong path, following their Jewish overlords, and now are fast tracking to living in slums.

>>510688185
They still hold tight to that label to this day.

>>510683438 (OP)
Well I remember talking about how the 2000s would be like the 80s because we already replayed the 50s-70s in the 80s and 90s. I wasn't far off with those hot emo chicks, glad I got a few.

>>510684408
I still like the US, even though your government and NATO keep marking us as an enemy for some reason. I really like Anglo people. I was born a few years after 9/11 and grew up with 2000s culture. I still remember when Michael Jackson died. I was six and it was on every TV channel here

>nfs
https://youtu.be/ubWL8VAPoYw?si=kReTZFanL-l-hoFD

>>510684408
>>510688550
Millennials and Gen X will never understand how radicalizing it is to see how much better society used to be and how Gen Z was born right after everything went to shit. Millennials saw everything collapse firsthand but at least they got to experience the last remnants of the golden age as it fizzled out in their teens or early adulthood.

bump
some good posts itt

>>510685080
thanks reddit

>>510691103
>Gen X will never understand
Dude I saw every Roger Moore Bond movie at the fucking cinema on release and I remember them all and I'm Gen X, I'm probably older than you

I unironically expected eternal peace because I was young and retarded and the 90s was all I knew.

>>510683438 (OP)
not a country full of stupid mutts

>>510691103
I don't understand what you're trying to say. I witnessed the Golden Age being stolen from me, as it happened, in real time. I've experienced what the "good times" were and they didn't just go away, they didn't collapse as a natural course, they were stolen by people who have names and addresses.

>>510683891
yeah

>>510689087
9/11 was a big shock but outside of NY not a real tangible situation. What tipped things was the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

>>510691103
you're right and it's a good thing to post. it's hard to imagine what it would have been like to be a teenager in, say, 2016.

>>510683438 (OP)
timestamp or I won't reply in good faith

>>510683438 (OP)
the 1999 war that clinton got involved in against Serbia had a lot of people talking about it as a "new vietnam" blah blah. There was also a huge protest movement against the World Trade Organization, which was solidifying at that time. The left used to be anti-war and pro-workers rights, if you can believe that.

The main consequence of 9/11 (and it's main goal) was the passage of the Patriot Act. This started a whole program of government actions to control the population, psyop, surveil, etc. It began a steady destruction of the many subcultures that had existed and been cultivated since the 1950's. These "subcultures" were the lifeblood of American life and gave it much of its vitality, and it enabled us to maintain a "monoculture" while having a proper outlet for rejects, misfits, and rebels. Many of the things people talk about nostalgically from the 90's era are related to these subcultures and their loss.

The destruction of the culture really began in those early 2000's years and was more or less complete by 2010. The adoption of shit like camera phones and Instagram were BECAUSE there was no culture left. People embraced tech because everything else had been smothered. Whatever "subcultures" you see are joke facsimile larps of what used to be. Nothing at all like the real thing.

>>510683438 (OP)
I was a kid in the 90's, but boring and peaceful seemed to be the norm. I understood we sent troops to some far away land for recently (gulf war), but otherwise, war seemed like some thing from the history books and movies.
Even the 2000's seemed very peaceful compared to today. It was like the 90's, but with better internet and video games. You'd occasionally hear of small terrorism incidents in the news, but no one really seemed that scared. I suppose it was probably different for adults living in major cities following 9/11 though. I was a kid in the burbs.
We had a war going and it was divisive and sad. Early 2000's, everyone was on board. By mid 2000's, people were questioning wtf we were doing over there. Especially after they got Sadam.
Still, life was peaceful. People were excited about the internet and this new technological frontier. Future was bright.

2008 was bigger demoralization for people than 9/11 DESU. It left a lot of millennials hopeless on the financial front for a long time and was the first generation to en masse graduate from college then not be able to get jobs in their fields of study.
Things didn't really ease up until around 2012, and by then a lot of grads gave up on their careers. Even still, wages never recovered. Socially stuff was cool though. Millennials being all poor together gave them more comradery than I think gen Z has.
Things started getting weird politically/culturally around 2015.
Before that, from the 90's - 2015, people had their politics, but it didn't come up often, and when it did, people might argue a little bit but it didn't get that heated. If someone got real heated, they were being weird.
But after 2015, it was clear people were being brainwashed to hate each other.

>>510696201
>was the first generation to en masse graduate from college then not be able to get jobs in their fields of study.
This is not true, but typical of millennial-myopia. The recession in 1991 was much worse.

>>510683438 (OP)
There was a general sense of "life is good, everything in the 2000's is going to be fine, politics are boring." Eighteen year old me was called a "wingnut" for believing Pat Buchanan for predicting a near-future third-world dystopia due to mass migration and offshoring. Buchanan also predicted an upcoming major war, mentioning scenarios like a second Balkan war, a second Korean war, or a second Gulf War.

>>510696201
>and was the first generation to en masse graduate from college then not be able to get jobs in their fields of study
Gender studies degrees mean you're unemployable

>>510696306
There was a fairly widespread sense that things needed to be corrected or we'd have problems. Many discussions were had about this throughout the 1990's. The thing is, it had clearly not happened YET. That was a risk in the future. We live in that future, and the predictions and concerns were correct. The biggest mistake was NAFTA/WTO free trade. This was discussed as a huge risk to the economic base of the country and it was. The reason we have a white homeless/tweeker/junkie underclass is because all of those people got completely fucked out of their jobs. Similarly we had a major corporate layoffs problem beginning in the 1980's in Car industry but much less remembered was the massive white collar/other layoffs going on in the 1991 recession. I remember daily headlines like "IBM lays off 40,000 in blah blah city." Every day it was something like this. The free trade policies were when the corporate and finance took over the country and started turning everything into shit. The 2000's decade was a steady process of things starting out pretty good and getting about 20% worse each year. By 2010 there was only a thread of the old world left and you knew it was all but over.

>>510696379
There were jokes in the late 90's about coffee shop baristas having master's degrees in English and shit like that. One reason we all mock millennial crybabies is because there was a nearly universal awareness that they were making terrible higher education choices and they just ignored everyone who pointed it out. We made fun of them for taking out student loans AT THE TIME.

>>510696306
Buchanan was a genius. He should've been president.

>>510696715
A pessimistic view of the future was widespread among newshounds who regularly watched shows like the McLaughlin group or Crossfire, but I don't remember those sentiments in the general population. And I do recall the "liberal arts degree" jokes, but they were considered to be jokes. The pessimists were right, of course. NAFTA/PNTR China eventually put us in a permanent recession.

>>510697278
Indeed. I wish I lived in the Pat Buchanan 1992 timeline.

>>510684590
Now we're just moving to Indian tribalism dominating the world

>>510683438 (OP)
>Did people think that history had been "solved" by the late 90s?

You have no idea how exactly you nailed it. There was a best selling book called "the end of history"

>>510683438 (OP)
flying cars and shit. population bubble is not a meme. billions will die.

>>510697408
the old left was still quite strong and was where the majority of that discussion occurred. at the same time, Boomers were getting rich af and they quietly started withdrawing from their previously held positions. As far as boomers were concerned they "won" their fight when they got one of their own Bill Clinton elected in 1992. The younger generations were the ones affected by the 2000's dismantling of the culture, which Boomers welcomed because they were too busy enjoying their big houses, SUV's, vacations, and starbucks.

Politics were not like they are now - they didn't infuse every aspect of life. Being interested in politics was like being interested in hockey - a relatively subniche interest. The average person cared very little and everyone had friends and acquaintances of different political views and no one cared all that much. You usually didn't even know.

It was the cultural decline that was most important during the 2000's. Much of that was downstream of policy from the 1990's but the Patriot Act was the big change. There was a concerted effort to dismantle the culture that really took off at that time. They'd been poisoning the well for decades through jew media but it was still allowed to have a normal life. In the 2000's they started attacking, undermining, and dismantling the things that made life bearable no matter who was President or what the politics were.

The rising costs, driven by MBA-directed policy, was a big factor. Rent could be afforded - if you had less money you had a more ghetto place but you had that option. There were plenty of tiers and even in big cities you could live for a cost that was manageable. in cities like San Francisco you could still rent a room in a house with a couple people and pay like $500/month rent without any problem in the mid-2000's.

>>510683438 (OP)
not nearly as much faggot shit and definitely not women becoming trash en masse

>>510697767
boomer hubris is unfathomable.

>>510697923
Imagine believing that you won't be one of them.
>b-but I have guns
Exactly. You probably live around other paranoid psychos with huge gun collections, too.

Commercial spaces were some of the first to see rising costs - interesting shops, event spaces, etc, all started getting aggressively put out of business during this time. Independently-run stores and service providers were all replaced by corporate chains. With this came the new work culture - working at corporate store was way different than working for some senior couple who treated their staff like humans.

These many spaces were where the various subcultures interacted with each other, forming the lifeblood and bond that makes it a real culture. You could go places and know that you'd find "your people." Can you do that now? No, of course you can't. A few skin-suit versions of this exist for faggots and browns but it's all funded by some corporate globohomo shit as part of a social engineering project. It's not real and not like it was.

America used to have a single culture. Everyone was part of it in some way. Beyond that, we all had various subcultures we interacted with to varying degrees. These subcultures had their own fashion, habits, places, and customs. They fed into the main culture and relieved pressure from it, allowing peace to be maintained. These were meticulously dismantled while the overriding monoculture was aggressively attacked. It left people with nowhere to go except for wherever the corporate/government overlords were trying to direct things.

By around 2006/2007 people started retreating online. It was the first time you saw people talking about internet things in mainstream places. Prior, the internet was a private thing you experienced that was basically its own subculture. It wasn't cool.

That is how we got where we are.

>>510697969
It's almost too depressing to talk about what happened to the women.

>>510684590
>while the dot-com boom would continue forever, creating millions of tech and service sector jobs that would ensure prosperity for the american people.
With some bumps on the road it kind of did, didn't it?

>>510698625
Most of the posts from Germans on this board are so obtuse that I'm starting to think you people live under an actual glass bubble.

>>510683438 (OP)
Shit was good up until occupy Wall Street.

>>510698673
Want to have another?
In retrospective 9/11 can be pinpointed as the sole reason and event that ushered in the greatest period of wealth creation in history not only in the US but globally.

>>510683438 (OP)
> Did people think that history had been "solved" by the late 90s?
I know my parents did have these feelings because they told me so. I know neither of them read Francis Fukuyama, so probably media psyops.
Also, check picture. LMAO

>>510683438 (OP)
read "project for a new american century"

>>510683438 (OP)
https://news.microsoft.com/source/1997/03/04/bill-gates-technology-investments-will-make-india-an-economic-and-software-superpower/

bill clinton was actively setting up schools in india to replace american men while he casually gas lit the public into viewing young men as worthless eaters so no one would resist them being replaced.

also, clinton was a fucking draft dodger.

>>510698866
keynes was right about everything. destroy it and they will come.

>>510699027
by the time poor people and middle class people get jobs it's already been figured out decades ago.

>>510698923
at the beginning of the 1990's the USA had the opportunity to shape the world in a positive way. many people believed that is what we were doing. Instead, it turned out very much otherwise. gen z and young most millennials don't understand that in the mid-1990's the country got VERY rich. quality of life rose for everyone very quickly. From about 1975-1993 things had been fairly bad economically, but the younger generations didn't live through any of it and only remember when things greatly improved. This was a very rich country by 1999, but the wealth was less distributed than it had been before. That's why places like NYC and San Francisco boomed in the 2000's. Things in Cleveland declined, meanwhile.

I was told by my teacher in 1999 that we'd have people LIVING on Mars by 2012.

>>510699221
your fault for not believing in it. that's why it didn't happen.

>>510683438 (OP)
I graduated engineering school in 1999. Most of the defense contractors that recruited on campus were talking about becoming gaming companies or building amusement parks. Only one defense company, Raytheon, was unapologetically military focused. I asked the recruiter about their plans to adapt to what appeared to be a post-war world. She said "don't worry about that, we have a plan to deal with it". She sounded pretty confident about the company's future selling weapons. Two years later 9/11 happened.

>>510683438 (OP)
Yes, the idea that history was over, no major tech will ever be discovered, the best system of government haas been invented. All jewish lies

>>510699281
they wanted to see what they could get away with this one last time. industrialization was rapidly closing in.

>>510699027
This was all a consequence of the global free-trade regime. Part of that appeal to the corporate assholes was the ability to import and access cheap foreign labor. The real impacts of that were not obvious to most americans until some time later. By 2000 places like silicon valley were already packed with pajeets but you saw very little of that in most of the country. Even Mexicans were still largely confined to western border areas. You couldn't even get a passable taco in New York City until about 2010 as there were almost no Mexicans.

The rapidity with which things changed during the 2000-1010 years is really important for placing the current moment. things changed steadily - 10% per year, so it was still ok until 2005 and then the balance started tilting to not ok and then by 2011 it was clearly a problem.

Even with all of that the country managed until 2013 launched Obama's second-term communist revolution. That led to everything we deal with now. 2013 is really the dividing line between the before-times and today, with 2003 as the dividing line between the good times and the declining times.

>>510699359
It wasn't a communist revolution retard. It's just international finance and capitalism working at runaway neckbreak pace.

>>510699269
Terrorism was the replacement for the cold war. This was needed to justify the continued militarization after the USSR was out of the picture. 9/11 is overrated - it wasn't actually a great surprise to many people and when it happened one of the weirdest things was watching how normie retards reacted with shock and went along with Bush. Lots of people saw it and said "yeah, something like that was inevitable." Unless you lived in NYC or watched way too much cable news it didn't have any significant direct impact on your life. It was the things that it set in motion that mattered.

>>510699269
lots of old heads view/viewed the country as an amusement park so make sense.

>>510699430
>It wasn't a communist revolution retard
sure thing you ignorant twat

>>510699359
>2013 is really the dividing line between the before-times and today
The date tracks worldwide, the cultural export of the west changed exactly then like overnight. But what exactly happened?

Even recent history like 2012 and earlier feel like heaven compared to now days.

COVID was probably the best example of how tyrannically our governments have grown and will come back just as soon as Democrats inevitably get back into power. You think things are bad now, imagine how much worse they're going to get in the coming decades. Trump is a weak leader who could save us if he arrested scumbags , instead he tries to be their friend and only goes after people who have negative opinions on Israel

It's all revisionist regarding the middle-east. The war on Iraq never ended, it was just a limited war enforcing this constant huge no fly zone in them. They'd periodically bomb Iraq and shoot down their shit to send a message. Bin Laden had hit the wtc in '93 and we were shooting long range missiles from navy subs all the time at his bases. They honestly thought we could just take care of our military issues by long range bombing, like we did in Kosovo. Sand nigs don't care about dumb shit like casualties and infrastructure destruction though. The goal was always, bomb, set up a new government in the foreign land, have that new government pay for western companies to rebuild infrastructure and exploit resources. US being there for a decade or two wasn't ideal.

>>510699782
>But what exactly happened?
I believe that Obama used his second term to launch what we affectionately call here "gay race communism." This was primarily the religion of communism, not the economic policy. The central planning part was there, introduced slowly, but with the intent to control the population centrally not to make management more efficient. What the EU has become is a very clear version of what Obama was doing here. One major part was using technology to manipulate perceptions.

Something the youngins don't know is about "social media." It used to be called "Social networking" until they changed it around that time. The first one was called Friendster - you just had like a profile page and you added your friends and could post things to each other and share. It was nice and really just a cool digital address book. Myspace took over from that because on myspace there was music and pictures and personalization. It had cringe elements but that was an accurate reflection of society. Over time this concept of talking to your friends and sharing things with them for fun and social reasons got turned into marketing and advertising and a sales-channel for companies. Then it was used to sell ideas, not just products. The weird ideas that began to shape the culture by 2014 were introduced in this way, and I think this was deliberate. Obama's biggest goal was information control and they were steadily increasing it from that time. It was only in early 2014 when things start getting censored much even on big sites - before that it was considered inappropriate. It was clear that they were "shaping the information space." That is their main avenue of attack and why they believed they could beat Russia in a war (lmao). They though that information control and shilling would beat artillery.

>>510699806
>imagine how much worse they're going to get in the coming decades.
I have great news - the USA is falling apart at the seams and won't make it that long.

>>510699924
Before the middle east the USA was doing this stuff in central and south america in the same way. our Imperial behavior was not new to Americans, and those who knew about it knew they were launching "terrorism" as the big boogey-man by the late 1990's. All of this was shit but it didn't affect the domestic cultural life of Americans much so we just pressed on. It was the 2000's when that started to change and they started systematically dismantling our independent lives and trying to replace it with this top-down crafted culture that is responsible for the nightmare that is modern life in the West.

>>510696093
It's crazy how many young adults in 1999 were screaming about WTO and global corporations taking over everything who now are the biggest defenders of Globohomo and the right of powerful corporations to oppress the public. Lots of them still vocalize the messages of their youth, but their support is solidly behind authoritarianism as long as it wears a rainbow jacket.

>>510699137
I have no doubt you could feel the exuberance during those years but, I would be careful calling it a rich country. EEUU, and many other countries, were at that time surfing the credit expansion part of a credit super cycle (these usually span 80 years, 40 years of expansion, 40 years of contraction) that started in the 70s… then 2008 came, and because our currency is no longer backed by anything they decided to continue printing just because they could. And here we are now in uncharted territory, they artificially eliminated the much needed contraction phase, in which economic ineficientes are washed away (as in motherfuckers jumping off high rises)… we have continued racking up debt to keep alive a damaged system. Sooner or later the inevitable will happen and it’s going to be a poly crisis of biblical proportions. Probably we are already going through it.

>>510700216
The "left" of today is a complete abomination. They wear the skinsuit of the people from the 1990's, most of whom turned into the alt-right or sold out to go along and be normies. The Patriot Act was in part aimed at dismantling these pockets of resistance, which were bred in those "subcultures" i talked about above. The thing is that people were very reluctant to protest or "fight" back in 1999 - the WTO was just so obviously bad for America that it had widespread opposition. They didn't try to sell it to us, they tried to sneak it in when no one was paying attention. That was when the 'left' still involved people with some economic literacy and normalcy. They were trying to defend American life and culture in this way.

Gay shit didn't become a social/political issue until 2004, when they made "gay marriage" a big issue because it was widely opposed in America and helped keep people from voting against the Bush government who had launched the pointless and unpopular Iraq war in 2003.

>>510700307
America was a geyser of cash in the late 90's. The real reason was because were pilfering the former USSR half of the world and driving huge profit from investing in Chinese growth, as well as the productivity gains (real) from the networked computing revolution. OK ok it was mostly finance capitalism. Either way quality of life increased dramatically for Americans in this time and we were very prosperous. It wasn't until they started wasting money on Afghanistan and iraq that the fiscal position of the country became what it is now.

>>510699430
One thing Communism did was serve as a check on the excesses of western capitalism. When the USSR was around and the West believed in Domino Theory, the excesses of crony corporate capitalism would get highlighted by the Soviets, so western governments kept things from getting too far out of hand. After the fall of the Iron Curtain, the West had no reason to reign in their corporations and sociopathic MBAs.

>>510700517
It's important to separate Communism into the two distinct things. One is the economic system of efficient central planning and cooperative ownership/management. The second is the religion of Communism, which arose out of the need to replace God and give people meaning and direction - an overriding cosmology to their lives. The Communism we see in USA/EU today is 90% the second one. The only part of the economic part they are keeping is the central management and that is only because it gives them control and authority over commerce. In that way it is much more similar to original fascist ideas (merger of state and corporate power). So Gay Race Communism is the religion to guide the people and 1984 fascism is the economic/state system. That is the essential formula for Globohomo.

>>510700517
>>510700714
I will note that central-planning Communism turned out to be flawed because it was theorized by an idiotic jew who misunderstood much of human nature. Stalin was a true believer in the approach and did his best to implement it in his early years. By the mid 1930's he had tossed much of it out and reverted to a modified version that was more nationalistic. Gorbachev et al in the 80's tried to adapt this further and implement more free-commerce approaches, to spectacular failure. The Chinese adaptation was most successful. Ultimately the economic experiment of capitalism/communism/fascism determined that a sort of Zaibatsu-type system with direct state participation was best for strategic economic sectors with much more free economic activity elsewhere. Japan unironically probably had cracked this in the 1980's. The reason they went into economic decline was because the USA - the hegemonic power - knocked them down via the Plaza Accords agreement. Their model produced the best results, otherwise, and is structurally similar to what you have seen in China, Korea, and now Russia.

>>510700714
You have no idea what you're talking about and you've obviously never read any Communist literature. You're repeating shite you've heard from some low ranking Christcuck Conservative commentator.

>>510700960
Sorry to bust your gay bubble, teenager. My knowledge on this topic is much more sophisticated than you would ever believe.

>>510700216
I’m an old millennial and what you mention has always puzzled me. I grew up in the 90s with the G8 protests in the background. Antiglobalisation protests. Anti big pharma protests. The paranoia of the 90s… you may find it funny but, to me things like The X Files or Stone’s JFK had an impact in how I started “noticing” things in reality… when the Irak war came and Spain joined I told my parent I had a feeling our president was doing this for personal gains (I was right) and he told me I was crazy. During my teenage and young adulthood my friends then were pretty much the same, then in 2011 (15 of May) big protests against government corruption (and banks, corporations, austerity measures) erupted in Madrid to become what later was called the 15-M movement. In my view, this movement was infiltrated and subverted and slowly transformed and pushed most of the people that supported it into the globohomo agenda. A 180 turn if you ask me, maybe that was the point altogether. Most of the people in my generation fell for it, some others decided to distance ourselves. I think something similar must have happened with Occupy Wall Street which started in September in the same year, 2011. All of this black pilled me on people and their feeble minds. Trust no one, indeed.

>>510683438 (OP)
we expected peace and prosperity and instead we got twenty years of war and stagnation. there was incredible technology on the horizon and instead of being used to improve our lives, it was turned against us. we thought that our rights and freedoms were inalienable and guaranteed and would go on forever. that turned out to be false. your rights are god-given and can only be protected by you alone. if you want privacy, you have to take it. you have to force it. if you want freedom of speech, you have to accept the consequences that come with it and they may be tyrannical. if you want a gun, you better trust that god will keep you in his arms because the government will do everything in its power to revoke and deny your rights.

it didn't used to be like this. we took our rights for granted.

>>510683438 (OP)
depend on the perspective OP, I mean, in the 90's people had a opinion and some imagination about it, and every decade prior to that as well, and most likely recent centuries too.

>>510701528
People liked Fight Club because it was criticizing the feminized society they were trying to shove down our throat. If you watch it now you'll realize that it's basically an early iteration of MGTOW.

>>510702110
The main character is hallucinating two people - Tyler and the girlfriend, a male and a female. He's doing this because he's got testicular cancer. So his brain tries too different avenues of cope - Tyler appears to appease his fears of losing his masculinity, the girlfriend offers a more feminine escape route by accepting he's gonna lose his nuts. In the end he blows his brains out, silencing Tyler and accepting that he's gonna lose his nuts by embracing his feminine side. He watches his old worldview collapse.

>>510683438 (OP)
Good thread but post a normal Youtube link not a tracking one

>>510702110
It was critical about consumerism and capitalism in general. Not just the prevailing feminism that exists in society.

>>510702380
The GF is not a product of his imagination, this is not backed by either the movie or the book. She’s shown interacting with other people that acknowledge her existence.
>he watches his old worldview collapse
No, he destroys it.

>>510702555
you don't seem to have caught on that the consumerism IS feminization.

>>510683438 (OP)
There was endless optimism for the future. Life was good and it was just going to keep getting better. Many people felt like we were on the road to a Jetsons or Star Trek type utopia.

>>510702555
It’s a critique/analysis to the postmodernist world m, it’s issues so well described by Gilles Lipovetsky in his 1983 book “L’Ère du vide” (The era of the void), sadly I’m not sure there’s an English translation. There’s many 90s movies that deal with these topics, like American Beauty.

>>510702887
its called judaism, Rico

>>510702979
On the contrary, Jews have kept their identity and inter group ties intact. Post modernism is all about personalisation, atomisation, deconstruction.

>>510703158
bro you need to stop slurping euro-liberal horseshit and start studying ideas you are not allowed to encounter at your shitty universities and cafes.

>>510702820
Consumerism is capitalism sir.

>>510703211
I never assisted university. Can you be more precise in what you are disagreeing with? You are making no sense. I see words but there’s no communication or message contained.

>>510683438 (OP)
everything had been getting better continuously through the 50's into the late 90's
people just assumed the trend would continue

>>510702887
There'd be no post modernism without capitalism and international finance. All these things are down steam from capitalism which is financial globalism.

>>510703320
post-modernism and the ideas that travel with it are jewish perspectives.

>>510703362
this nigger has never heard of the 1970's.

>>510703468
No they aren't.

>>510686524
Bush was president at the time, bulding 7 fell for no good reason, and the dancing israelis were let go
That's not taking into account Osama being a former (possibly current at the time) CIA asset

>>510703537
ok sure

>>510703389
Of course, without capitalism there would be nothing but communism.

>>510703846
This is stupid as fuck. Judaism is just earlier Jewish practices or an amalgamation of such before Christ. They still worship Torah like the old Jews/Israelites.

>>510703849
No lol

>>510703846
seems fake and gay

>>510703912
You know it’s true.

>>510703891
post nose

>>510683438 (OP)
I was taken out of a cult family in 1998 and got one of those plastic robot dogs and told that it's the future but it never got any better. My foster family were basically uninterested after the newspapers left.

>>510683438 (OP)
America was the only, clear, superpower. Our power of projection was so far above and beyond everyone else it was laughable. There truly was a feeling that anything was possible and the future was bright. Then that got sold off, co-opted and stolen

>>510694384
Only the Sean Connery ones are any good. I almost went mad with longing as an unhappy little boy at the idea of living in that world so far away from my utter misery.

https://youtu.be/YVAq90lAqHU

>>510704204
our power projection was always overstated. the belief in that myth is actually what led us to our downfall.

>>510703468
Nah man… let’s see:
Judaism says there’s a god. PM is against meta-narratives and universal truths.
Judaism has ethic rules and rituals. PM promotes moral and ethical relativism.
Judaism is about continuity, community and history of the Jews. PM questions identity and lineal history.
I could continue but it’s not necessary.

>>510696306

I spent 5 weeks in Hawaii at the beginning of 2000 and there was nothing to do in Honolulu because all the night clubs were deserted out of roofie fear apparently so I read a stack of Pat's books in the evening. Pat was everything we wish Trump was and isn't.

He's alive but I wonder if he's even cognizant of what is going on now. I'd love for him to step in and have a word on all this shit.

>>510704328
>Judaism has ethic rules and rituals. PM promotes moral and ethical relativism.
lmao did you chatgpt this shit? holy fuck. like i said before, go explore some real ideas.

>>510683438 (OP)
He knew about 9/11, im sure. The same shadowy group tried to take it down when he was president also.

>>510696379
>>510696715

And now even an engineering degree is worth no more than an arts degree...

>>510697408

Imagine; the working classes betrayed by their own Democratic Party.

>>510704385
Again, another post without any content. I’m starting to think you are slow or plain retarded. That Judaism impose ethics and morals is not something you can argue about. You could argue about the quality or nature of those rules, but not about the existence of those rules and rituals. You are completely missing the point. I suspect on purpose. The alternative as I just said is you are profoundly retarded.

>>510704243
No it wasn't, it's just that no one uses power/war the way it's intended which makes it ineffectual. We had space cruisers being built at that time when other countries were dreaming about sending up rockets still. We still are so far ahead but if we leak that tech we
1. Lose even more of an advantage
2. If free energy is allowed, we no longer had resource leverage over most countries

>>510704545
you're so fucking stupid i'm thinking you've never met a jew in your life and certainly don't know anything about them.

>>510683438 (OP)
The tech bubble made everyone believe that the kind of technology we are enjoying now is just around the corner.
It sure as hell made a lot of people feel optimistic, but I am not sure if it paid off for many people.
E-Trade was becoming very popular and there were many BBS forums like the current r/Wallltreetbets where people discussed stock and options trading.

>>510704608
again, you're wrong.

>>510704635
Wow, great rebuttal, I'll truly take your opinion to heart instead of the mountains of data

>>510704615
I think what I’m saying is flying over your head essentially. If you think I’m in defense of Judaism you are just plain retarded. Literally too fucking dumb to understand what I previously said. Nigger tier almost.

>>510683438 (OP)
I had a sense of optimism for the future then, and I don't think it was entirely because I was young. As for history being solved, there was a lot of anti-Russian propaganda in the 80s, I can't remember if that transferred elsewhere after the fall of the USSR, but I certainly don't remember much if any anti-China propaganda. When Hong Kong was handed back, there was just a sense of sadness that it had ended. 9/11 came as a bit of a shock even in Britain, but it sort of made sense.

>>510704693
>mountains of data
garbage. which war did we win using that data, again?

>>510704787
nigger you are clearly a tourist. it takes real blindness to come on /pol/ and try to have a jews 101 conversation

>>510704375
Trump then was well known for the debts he was juggling lol

>>510704883
Definitely a retarded nigger. This has nothing to do with jews 101. It is you the one that tried to link the postmodernist principles with those of Judaism. Your ignorance is off chart and you chimp out when someone tries to educate you. Like every other nigger does.

>>510702887
God American Beauty was such low grade cinematic garbage. It was as insufferable as a late medieval morality play enacted by toothless vagabonds.

>>510704883
>war
I clearly stated America's power projection is not used effectively. That does not dimish the amount of power that America was able to project (whether real or merely perceived is irrelevant) during that time period

>>510683438 (OP)

Once the USSR collapsed, it really felt like democracy/capatlism had proven beyond all doubt to be the superior system. The West was clearly the best place to live too. It felt like the rest of the world was coming around to those ideas and the expectation was that once they implemented those, everything would be better there too.

We could even import many foreigners and they would boost the economy and clearly they would adapt our values since our values had been proven to be the best. Maybe we had to topple some governments here and there to help them see reason but it would work out. It was a pipe dream but an appealing one.

9/11 was the splash of cold water that ended that dream and made it clear that there were a lot of people in the world that weren't eager to westernize and wanted nothing more than to stick it to the West.

There were definitely people warning of the problems that would come in the 2000s but they just got ignored. Not unlike people smoking, eating junk and overspending. If it's not a problem today, they don't change anything.

Maybe they even acknowledge the problem and "some day" they'll stop. Usually "some day" isn't until they hit the brick wall of reality.

Not all hope is lost. The fact that the problems are now widely discussed (even if it's met with ridicule from the old guard) is a signal that things are changing. The brick wall is coming into view on a lot of these issues.

>>510702588
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py2mxl6xTus

The film is not the book

>>510683662
> parents beatint me
hahahahahaha

>>510683438 (OP)
>Fight Club
Produced by Arnon Milchan who later admitted he was a life-long spy and weapons dealer for Israel who used movie productions as an international and domestic cover. Even CNN reported his admission, it was more like a boast.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnon_Milchan

Milchan also produced the 70s conspiracy thriller The Medusa Touch, about a man who has premonitions of an airliner crash. Check it out if you haven't. Freaky cohencidence.

>>510704242
>Only the Sean Connery ones are any good.
For me Dalton was the best, but Sean was second. Except just last week, feeling nostalgic and because I hadn't seen them since before 2000, I watched Thunderball and From Russia With Love. And they're actually both kind of ludicrous. I realise that's me changing in my perceptions over time as opposed to the film changing, but what I either didn't notice or forgave when I was younger made me laugh out loud this time around.

>>510684408
>2000's New Year coverage.
People really overlook how much pre-NYE coverage there was warning of an Islamic terror attack in NYC during the ball drop. It was a popular subject in America, that the millennium would begin with a literal boom. MSM kept emphasizing how many Fed and NYPD snipers would be on the roofs on NYE and there were comparisons to Die Hard 1, although Die Hard 3 featured an international bomber plot.

There were also frequent reports in late 2000 and early 2001 about Osama bin Laden as the "new Saddam Hussein" who was amassing a radical following. The clips showed jihadists training with machine guns and the same loop of OBL. This is also why when 9/11 happened, a lot of "informed" adults and teens immediately "knew OBL did it!" A prime example of predictive programming.

When Condoleeza Rice in the Bush Cheney admin infamously lied that "no one could have seen 9/11 happening" she never referenced the 2000 NYE tension and reports.

Also there was a cultural link between Columbine and 9/11 as far as msm transitioning America into a nation of fear, foreshadowed by "graphic violence" in music, movies and TV. Columbine greased the wheel for "young white male domestic terrorists" and 9/11 did it for the Greater Israel agenda now at the finish line.

>>510684408
it really was before globohomo ramped up the propaganda hard, and there was no such thing as social media and smartphones

>>510686524
"he belongs to intelligence"

>>510695278
this

>>510696093
rona lockdowns came on patriot act auth

>>510696201
>2008 was bigger demoralization for people than 9/11
this is correct, I watched half my retirement savings evaporate

>>510707647
As someone born in the mid 80's - Obama and the financial crash of 2008 were the events that ended the "good times"

>omg pop culture
Sure, pokemon red and blue was rad and I wish Japanese cars were cheap and came in fun colors, but pre 9/11 was a time period of hyper conformity, it's really the peak time of normie ignorance. Waco and Ruby Ridge happened and the average person did not care. The media was honestly damn near just as woke as it is today; every cast had to have a fag, a spic, a gook, and good guy niggers. The Balkans is disintegrating, there are terrorist attacks all over the world, all of our industries are being slammed into China (had been going on since the 80s), and inflation was started to skyrocket. Education systems has been gutted for college shit and boomers were packing their kids into colleges. Jew worship is in full swing. People only listened to the ((radio)) and mindlessly lived and died by the ((television))And nobody questioned a thing.

But ((they)) slipped with the Internet somehow. Hubris I assume. At least briefly. Idk why, probably because Millennials didn't get a good taste of the past beyond childhood, but boomers and Gen x were slow to jump on alt internet media. Gen Y began to create and find their own music and entertainment online, and it largely was counter culture to mainstream shit. And it did begin an osmosis with the mainstream once smartphones got to normies, of course then there was a ((corporate)) crackdown on it by the late 00s, but that short period of time of a parallel online culture created people like us all here unplugging from the retard conformity. And while I know the way of life seemed better back then, their standard of living was a fucking blindfold for cultural issues that have been festering for 100 years. Go talk to your normie childless aunt and your sportsball, pro vax dad if you want to know what the 90s was like. We may sit in ruins, but we have our own minds.

>>510698625
>With some bumps on the road it kind of did, didn't it?
fuck off, at that point globohomo already put pajeets in my office

>>510683438 (OP)
Chips with everything
Smart clothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HntLblRlff0

>>510699492
>Lots of people saw it and said "yeah, something like that was inevitable."
kys moshe

>>510700417

>>510704328
esteban has not figured out that jews prescribe one thing for their own and another for goy

>>510683438 (OP)
>And they have an entire segment about how young American men at the time like the movie Fight Club because they have no Vietnam to speak of and are sort of distanced from real violence.

Sounds like psyop to me.