Stefan asks: hey atheists! Why should you not lie? Why should you be moral and do the right thing?
It's a very simple question. Please answer without mentioning Christianity. No one has been able do to it.
For some strange reason, they always involve religion and Christianity, and never their own atheistic worldview.

>by what objec
intelligence
intelligence is what creates the concept of morality itself
if a all-knowing god (which can indeed exist) can be right that means becoming closer to a all-knowing god makes you more righteous
and those means and that concept can be done without religion

>>510686417 (OP)
>Why should you not lie?
it feels good to be truthful
not in a high dopamine way but in a long term benefits way
I've made it a habit to be truthful.

>>510686417 (OP)
>You have to have an objective moral standard and not just have an innate intuition about everything
Dilate

>>510686417 (OP)
>Why should you not lie? Why should you be moral and do the right thing?
>It's a very simple question.
And it has a very simple answer. The Golden Rule.

Anything else?

>>510686417 (OP)
Who?

>>510686566
Then why do the atheists always involve religion and have the inability to demonstrate a coherent moral framework?

>>510686930
>inability to demonstrate a coherent moral framework?
Empathy is that demonstration. At least for me it is

>>510686417 (OP)
>For some strange reason, they always involve religion and Christianity, and never their own atheistic worldview.
because they are all christians
religion is kike shit that created the concept of progressivism itself and has set back humanity by thousands of years.
it created feminism, multiculturalism, and all these vague justifications of do-goodism
right wingers were the original feminists
leftists have all sorts of judeo-christian values on top of them simply supporting religion and spiritualism only if it benefits blacks, gays, and women. they dont actually hate christianity, just the people behind it.

>>510686417 (OP)
Is Stefan asking a rhetorical question or is he actually just retarded?
>I lie about something
>Others find out I lied
>Others punish me
Telling the truth is the rational choice in most situations. It's almost like we evolved in cooperative tribal society.

>>510686417 (OP)
"Objective" just means we agree on it

>>510686930
>>510687009
because leftists arent actually atheists, nor are right wingers. they all live off judeochristian values because they are retarded, just like retards always get drawn to religion for all of history.
atheism itself is a religion as it believes that "you feel nothingness during death", which is impossible, because you cannot possibly "be" dead. there cannot "be" nothing during death, this is grammatical trickery. as long as you are conscious you will always be conscious, and thats all that matters. you will only ever feel consciousness so there is no point of caring, in death time will be obsolete which makes everything in reality go an infinite amount of time in an infinite speed, guaranteeing that atoms somehow get rearranged to ressurect "your" consciousness in some form. its the exact same thing as sleeping and waking up, which happens in a lightning speed. this is a clear scientific explanation, which im doubtful counts as atheism to most people.

>>510686884
Who says you need to obey the golden rule?
Is it nature?
Do animals by nature follow this golden rule?
Are we not animals and do we not obey nature then?

>>510687540
>Who says you need to obey the golden rule?
No one. But it works out the best for everyone I deal with so the outcomes are why I follow it

>>510686417 (OP)
> objective moral standard
He seems to be rather uneducated on the subject. How embarrassing.

>>510686417 (OP)
Moly is asking a loaded question. Morals are not objective. They can only be subjective. If you lived alone in the woods with no contact with any other human being, what would be moral or immoral?

Morality is a kind of social contract that human beings have when they live in communities with each other. When we interact with other human beings, we don't want to be lied to, so by the principle of reciprocity, we don't lie to them.

Atheism is only the lack of belief in any gods. It has no ((( worldview ))). Believers fall for lies and spread lies, and they lie about atheists all the time.

>>510687755
>No one
Okay so then we can just lie then when we feel like it.
Who gives a shit about everyone else if the golden rule is not being enforced?

>>510686930
You don't have the first clue what atheism is, do you?

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>>510687999
>Okay so then we can just lie then when we feel like it.
>Who gives a shit about everyone else if the golden rule is not being enforced?
Knick yourself out. But I hold myself accountable and so do those around me.

>>510686417 (OP)
I do lie. A lot less than Christians do though.

>>510687893
Exactly this

>>510686417 (OP)
he's a fake christian cause he thinks objective morality is only possible in a theocracy
he is a fucking faggot and a pussy

>>510686417 (OP)
Who?

>>510686417 (OP)
>Why should you not lie? Why should you be moral and do the right thing?
Because I don't like when it happens to me.

>>510688480
guy who got de-platformed years ago because of bell curve realism

>>510686417 (OP)
it's almost as if the answer lies in the middle where there is no corrupted religious institution, just you and the Most High as intended

cut out the middle man and go straight to God

>>510687893
So reciprocity is your objective moral standpoint?

>>510686861
the fact that theres a theoretical good intuition/moral in reality that can exist, and that you can theoretically move forward to, is enough to prove that morality is objective. if reality is subjective and diverse, that means there is some morality that's better than all the others. the death of all species of animal can be justified if it means humanity advances enough to bend time and space and ascend to godhood, the ultimate objective morality. anything can be justified if it somehow is a choice that leads to better in the future in comparison to all the others. if there exists right and wrong, there exists a good version of the right and wrong you dont know of yet which the objective morality.

>>510688243
Compare all histiorcal accounts and will find the same thing, eye witnesses contradicting each other, you must therefore conclude all history is a lie and therefore fake and gay

>>510687881
>Apple is a fruit
>Humans have two legs
Yeah, these are true and you’re also technically allowed to believe an apple is a mattress and humans have a micro third leg that is not possible to see. If God is real and created the universe then the morals he set would be in along side the laws of physics

>>510688713
>the fact that theres a theoretical good intuition/moral in reality that can exist, and that you can theoretically move forward to, is enough to prove that morality is objective
Not really. All you're saying os everyone has some form of morality. Which is true. But what those morals are, is subjective.

>>510688798
theists and abrahamics have controlled archeology since forever...

>>510686417 (OP)
Is he retarded? I am a Christian but this question is so dumb. Atheists derive their belief from the concept of UTILITY - a peaceful, orderly society is easier to live in and manage. Therefore man will apply whatever behavior is USEFUL to these ends.
Of course they fail down the line and degrade into nihilism or worse, but still, it's absolutely possible for an atheist to have a moral framework based on an idea of common good. Just not a very solid one is all.

>>510688850
>If God is real and created the universe then the morals he set would be in along side the laws of physics
>law of physics
There's aren't really laws more than our current understanding. Equating a supposed omnipotent and omniscient to human understanding creates a paradox

>>510686417 (OP)
by what objective moral standard do christians know lying is wrong?
the bible doesn't demonstrate why lying is wrong on a moral basis, it simply says not to lie. That's a law, but laws aren't morals.

>>510688953
>Of course they fail down the line and degrade into nihilism or worse
Strange how ot was the opposite for me..
>Just not a very solid one is all.
Pretty solid to me

>>510686417 (OP)
I bet that faggot never heard about Universally Preferable Behaviour.
Does he even objectively moralify?

>if your parents are mean to you, you should cut them off entirely and come join my forum instead
>also lying is only bad because God wrote that it was
Libertarian lesions on his brain have finally kicked in, his brain looks like Swiss cheese now

Nature is amoral, this constant griping about muh morality is missing the entire point. You do not need God to have morality, because morality coevolves with culture, and does not exist in nature outside social behaviors. It is entirely arbitrary in practice, and while there are some attempts to put a rigid structure upon it (like the works of Ayn Rand), there are always edge cases and complexities because nature is dirty, and does whatever it needs to do.
The entire implicit goal behind the morality in the Desert Quadrilogy is to be a cooperative member of society, as well as passed down knowledge in the form of fables, parables, and fairy tales, because for most of human history spoken word has broadly surpassed its written form in longevity. If you strip away the social behaviors from the Bible's moral code, you are essentially left with basic survival tips and arbitrary bullshit.

>>510686930
Language itself is the moral framework. Civilization requires civility, and civility is whatever we say it is. Usually the definition is implied based on dominant culture, but in a hypothetical atheist society it could include definitions like “no lying.” Civility is then the requirement of the civilization.

What is religion but a set of definitions? Those definitions can be de-mystified without losing a thing.

>>510688713
I guess I must be some form of superhero or God, because it literally blows my mind that any fucking intelligent person doesn't understand objective morality. I guess that's what decades of postmodernist secular Communist materialistic hedonism and psychological sabotage does to an entire planet, but it's honestly surreal.

Listen close here, because a God is posting now:
>morality is self-evident because morality is truth, and civilization does not exist without truth. A human civilization of naked self-interest based on lies cannot sustain itself, and will be completely destroyed as it implodes. It flies in the face of every natural law we understand, and truth, for humans, is our natural law.

>The truth will live forever, and a lie will eventually always die. Every strong society and advancement we have ever seen was based on high-trust institutions, with just a tiny spark of such power leading to centuries of growth that will be immediately pounced on by progressively larger groups of parasites eager to enrich themselves on the spirit of true humanity.

Morality is the most self-evident, objective truth there is, but people are so lost and blind that they question whether it even exists at all. They therefore question the meaning of themselves and all things, and descend into nihilistic despair and decay.

>>510688850
They are, you absolute fucking retard, which is why when they are ignored, civilization fucking collapses and everyone literally fucking dies. This board has gotten dumber than fucking /b/. It used to be intelligent, long ago.

>>510687219
Quite right, and unintelligible beings like niggers and jeets do not have the ability to conceptualise these long-term consequences.

>>510688953
>not a very solid one
Yeah bro totally not as solid as deriving your "morals" from a 2,000+ year old desert mythology book cobbled together by pagan Jewish tribes.

>>510688870
yes they are subjective, but one can be - and get - closer to an objective morality. this means in his case, his morality would literally objectively be above all others around him, the definition of objective morality and what we are deciding if it exists.

>>510689244
>civility is whatever we say it is
hilariously wrong

>Those definitions can be de-mystified without losing a thing
Also HILARIOUSLY wrong you double nigger fucking utter retard. All around you is the evidence for what happens when you try and replace divine, spiritual reality with secular reality and pretend it has the same weight. Motherfuckers don't give a fuck about the physical world and its consequences, but everyone very much gives a fuck about spooky eternal judgment and divine beings that claim to control their immortal souls.

>>510688953
Utility? Is it not useful to lie? Why are then all positions of power occupied by sociopaths and psycopaths?
>Well they shouldnt lie!
Retarded take

>>510689529
>yes they are subjective, but one can be - and get - closer to an objective morality
Objective by who's standard?
>>510689529
>this means in his case, his morality would literally objectively be above all others around him, the definition of objective morality and what we are deciding if it exists.
So you're saying they're objective to himself?

This thread is full of pseud retards posting as if they were intelligent.

>>510689700
>why doesn't anyone believe my nonsense !?!?!
Get lost kid

>>510686417 (OP)
Lying a sign of weakness, and admittance of guilt. There is something wrong, and you want to keep it hidden.

>>510689560
Jeets aren’t defined as human in my hypothetical. Humans must have the capacity to understand the definition of civility in such a civilization.

>>510689262
>objective morality.
List every objective moral

>>510689890
Might makes Right.

>>510686417 (OP)
Under judeo-christian civilization we are ruled by child sacrificing pedophiles that are literally committing genocide with the blessing of our leaders and this faggot claims only chriscuckery can be moral.

>>510686417 (OP)
Rightwing grifters are out of work. You know, they are a lot more silent since Trump won. What are you gonna bitch about all day? So? On to the next topic/grift, Religion.

>objective moral
Why would I care about objectivity when everything I perceive is subjective? I don't want to get lied at, so I don't lie.

>>510689849
Let me rephrase: In a secular society where morality and civility are one, a “human” (in the moral sense) must be defined as an entity capable of engaging with the shared language that sustains the social contract. Without the ability to understand or participate in that language, one cannot be a subject of moral duties in the same way.

>>510689920
Got beaten up a lot eh?

>>510690091
Love is also a form of Power. If you have no Love for the games, you will have no passion to win, and therefore; no Power.

>>510689836
Stephan is a fake theist, he's trying to get your flock's $
he has an answer, has callers that can answer the question,
they will not be heard

>>510686566
if that were true then there would be a trend of moral perfection among the intelligent and yet there is not. Good and evil are more fundamental than anything we can measure. It is a trait that has nothing to do with intelligence or wealth or upbringing and everything to do with whether or not you are rotten inside and whether or not you love the truth. the vast majority of people are rotten and get visibly aggitated by truth they dont like. This defies all metrics.

>>510689560
>>civility is whatever we say it is
>hilariously wrong
Not really. It's how society was formed. Those that agreed on the same moral principles grouped up and made society and codified morals as laws.

This isn't hard my smooth brain friend

>>510686417 (OP)
A man is only as good as his word and if his word is worth nothing than he is worth nothing

>>510686417 (OP)
WHAT THE FUCK is this? Its WRONG because its WRONG, how fucking difficult is that to understand? If this traitor atheism had any brain and could understand the basics of reason and science he would fucking KNOW that everyone knows that lying is wrong and we do NOT need to ask baby jewsus if lying is wrong or not! TIME FOR THAT FUCKTARD TO LEARN LOGIC, REASON AND SCIENCE! I was a militant atheist until my early 50s and fought hard for science, reason and logic, every fucking day on youtube. Fighting for my rights against the intolerant christcucks! Now that I am more mature, and just like Adam Green, I realized there might be something more than just pure materialism and I turned pagan and back to the gods of my forebears. I know that christucks are capable of DOING EVERYTHING to ppl that DONT believe in their bronze age morality and bronze age myths! I fucking HATE the uneducated and ingorant christcuck's intolerance and bigotry against ethnic minorities, religious minorities (Pagans, Muslims, etc), sexual minorities etc.! During the Roman Empire and the time when we worshiped our forebears and the gods of our forebears, we had sexual freedom and we didn't even need the term for sexual minority, cuz everyone did whatever he wanted sexually and could do as much as drugs as he wanted, cuz nobody cared! It was fucking PARADISE ON EARTH but then the fucking christcucks came and ruined it all!!! So all you kids out there: If you want to get informed how it all happened, then watch Adam Green and LEARN something!

Soooo fucking typical christcucks....must be boring virgin cuz so afraid of girls exploring their sexuality ... baby jewsus forbid......
https://x.com/ChristnNitemare/status/1896599866928726379


I hate christucks so much its unreal. Slava Ukraini, Slava Perun, Heill Óðinn, Sire!

Deception is a tool of the weak. The strong has no need for lie.

>why should people not lie?
On a purely informational basis, it is important for the survival of all creatures to operate with as much information as is available to them. To obfuscate, obscure, or otherwise malign information is to corrupt Truth and the world itself.

>>510690211
Whoever defines polite is polite. We can call them politicians.

Objective morality is retarded. Are you really going to assume every single person in a christkek nation will follow all your morals rules to the letter? If so how are those 100% christian african nations doing?

Lying is wrong because it ends badly for YOU. You can get away with it every now and then, but if you keep doing it you are building a house of cards that will collapse.
You have to be retarded to think God cares if you lie or not.

>>510689560
>divine, spiritual
Nebulous terms that have different meanings to different people

>>510689560
>Motherfuckers don't give a fuck about the physical world and its consequences
We wouldn't have a legal system if that were the case.

>>510686417 (OP)
Embarrassing. Didn't molymeme used to claim to be a philosopher? How does he not know the very basics of ethics?

>>510690294
Sup kike

>>510690373
We also vote for these politicians

>>510690441
...

>>510686417 (OP)
it violates my honor and culturally that is objective

>>510686417 (OP)
He's back? Since when? I thought he was gone forever.

>>510690441
Debatable. We’ll create a master document that constitutes the language of our civil agreement, and build into that methods of changing the document.

>>510690426
that is not objective it is a self interested preference

>>510686417 (OP)
I've been lied to many times. It's awful, so I try not to do it to others.

>>510689615
what is and isnt moral isn't merely what a person decides as so. its true that you do need to figure out on your own what is and isn't moral, and either way you might be wrong, BUT that is only necessary BEFORE becoming god, which is THE objective morality that no one will refute.
you vaguely need to get closer to an objective morality, but your morality will never be the objective one, only simply above all the others. which is impossible to TRULY tell - only the person themselves (or god) can decide if they know if they themselves are being more moral than others, yes, and only they themselves can make the decision if they agree with a persons moral decision or not, yes, but thats the entire nature of the game, a confusing slog towards progress. this doesn't mean that morality isn't objective, since the concept of objective morality exists (god). your definition/agreement of subjective morality is simply a metaphor.

humanity's collective morality has progressed, and our intelligence creating technology, and AI (more intelligence), is a good indicator that we are on the right path towards objective morality; since intelligence is morality, and vice versa. its not possible to tell UNTIL godhood, but another good indicator that we've progressed and the past is dumber than us, is that every human can agree that we are less retarded than we were during prehistory. we have to become more intelligent, making us more moral.

morality and intelligence is vague, but there exists an ultimate form of each, meaning its possible to be more moral and intelligent although you can try (being intelligent helps) but never truly tell unless you yourself become said ultimate. i hope you can understand.

>>510690520
You're welcome to whatever silly conspiracy you like

>>510690571
>Debatable.
Not really.
>>510690571
>and build into that methods of changing the document.
Yeah, also takes votes kek.

>>510690589
>self interested preference
I think you just described what most people do.

>>510686417 (OP)

Im not an atheist but the simple reason you shouldnt do any of these things is they damage trust and a low trust society is not a cohesive one. See you can have a morality system not ingrained in religion.

>>510690739
You missed the joke. I was describing the constitution lol

2010 called
Wasted thread in current year +9

>>510690739
all government employees and representatives are child rapists satanists?
>How else would you get on the ballot?

>>510686417 (OP)
stefan will forever be vaxcattle. There's no coming back from that.

>>510690683
>what is and isnt moral isn't merely what a person decides as so
Glad we agree

>>510690791
Me too :^)

>>510690823
>all government employees and representatives are child rapists satanists?
Sounds like you're figuring it out still. Good luck bud

>>510690885
That’s why atheists win.

Morality = civility, and civility is defined by law.

Niggers and jeets will seethe, but I don’t consider them human because they can’t understand language.

>>510686417 (OP)
I thought he died in 2017?

>>510690964
Is that a silly conspiracy in your opinion or..?

>>510690198
>if that were true then there would be a trend of moral perfection among the intelligent and yet there is not.
there is. its vague and not a perfect trend, especially considering you cant tell if theyre truly intelligent, but there is. humanity is more advanced now than it was in prehistory. intelligence can create more intelligence, just like AI.

>>510688678
Reciprocity pre-existed all the religions.

Philosophers don’t solve problems. They only create them. It’s time to burn them at the stake. It’s time for retard mode

>>510691207
reciprocity is not objective
my honor culturally demands I speak the truth this is an objective standard within a framework
that is the same standard a religion imposes

>>510686566
>I'm so smart I suck dick

>>510687893
>Atheism is only the lack of belief in any gods. It has no ((( worldview )))
You're presupposing several things that can't be empirically verified simply by using language, engaging in discourse and using science. You ARE making bold metaphysical claims as an atheist, you're assuming laws of physics work in the same way you have observed them to work even though you're not an omnipresent eternal being to be able to gruly verify it, you're assuming logic, the principle of identiy, meaning behing words etc..

>>510691319
eye for an eye is objective my dude

Atheists do have a hard time explaining why we have moral knowledge in the first place.

>>510691455
thats theological not objective without framework

>>510691010

>>510691532
it's totally objective, you fuck with me, I fuck with you, it's the name of the game

>>510691112
Still figuring it out?

>>510691348
>heh I always talk about dick wherever I go

>>510691599
Not when the game is called conquest.

>>510691521
Simple-- We don't. Pretty demonstrable

>>510686417 (OP)
>It's a very simple question. Please answer without mentioning Christianity. No one has been able do to it.
Easy. The foundation of ethics and religious principles is... survival. Look at the story of the boy who cried wolf. Lying creates distrust. Distrust creates hardship/death.

>>510691599
you believe its objective and within the limited frame of you faith it is

>>510691638
yeah nah...
I don't wanna conquer shit when we're conquered by kikes, makes anything anyone does seem hollow and empty
>here's your participation trophy

>>510690885
how? you were implying morality in of itself is subjective solely because people have different beliefe systems, towards my point being that doesnt make the concept of morality subjective. >>510688870
the big debate is whether or not morality in of itself is objective or subjective when the obvious answer is objective. people's moralities are subjective but that doesnt make morality not objective and that doesnt mean a person's morality cant be more objective.

>>510691611
are you?>>510691654

>>510687219
A person without an objective moral standard is only does that for their own benefit; he will have little hesitation in lying or cheating if he believes that he has something to gain from it and that they will not be found out

>>510691728
Example. You can't do shit to your parents when they love you. That's Conquest.

>>510690160
People who don't care about winning have more power than people who do. The only way to win is to not take it seriously. So no love means nothing you all die the same!

>>510691803
Nah, you will never win against me in chess. You have no love for the games.

>>510691735
>how? you were implying morality in of itself is subjective solely because people have different beliefe systems, towards my point being that doesnt make the concept of morality subjective
Morality is subjective on a macro scale and becomes more objective on a micro/societal scale, see
>>510691010
>Morality = civility, and civility is defined by law.

>>510687893
It's really a weird musing what if you lived alone in the woods.

If you encountered another divine being such as yourself you would probably try to befriend it.

>>510687893
>that image
LMAO get a load of this guy, giving the fedora of euphoria guy a run for his money

>>510691859
>you will never win against me in chess
Whatch this clown short circuit..

White pawn to e4

>>510686417 (OP)
This is hilarious from someone who listened to his podcasts 20 years ago. He would shit on Christianity endlessly back then constantly blaspheming and talking shit about Jesus.

He knows all about how the Bible is a bunch of nonsense and said it often enough. But now all those podcasts have probably been taken down and he is going to grift Christcucks until he retires.

>>510691521
Empathy. You have children and don't want them to be hurt, you empathize with other parents, and so on. Its not a perfect or objective system by any means, but some of it is just instinctual.

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>>510691952
I already have official victory over your stupid ass. Keep me in your brain. I like it there.

>>510686417 (OP)
Not even an atheist, a Christian even, but lying is objectively wrong religiosity aside, simply because it hurts people. sure a wee white lie might seem innocuous, but the bigger the lie, the more individuals you're going to tie up in it

atheist's don't believe in god but still like thinking they'd go to heaven

>>510686417 (OP)
>threads this week about Lauren Southern, Stefan Molyneux, and Laura Loomer
The fuck, did I get transported back to 2016? Where can I find the latest Red Ice episode?

>>510691521
You've never asked an atheist this.

>>510692005
This anon gets it

>>510692023
>sargoy of Mossad
kek

>>510692042
a murderer is looking to kill you and i know were you are
should i lie?

>>510692029
>>510691952
>Whatch this clown short circuit
Lmao

>>510686746
i.e. lying is often psychologically harmful in the long run. It can also be sociologically harmful

>>510691647
Lying only creates distrust if you get caught. No one who lies thinks they're going to get caught.

>>510687399
checked
WIttgenstiened

>>510692147
That's the extent of your power. Lie, and deception.

>>510686417 (OP)
Categorical imperative can forbid lying.

>>510692204
>>510691952
>Whatch this clown short circuit

>>510692131
What are you yapping about danebro

>>510686417 (OP)
Objective morality doesn't exist, morality for the most part is a part of culture, but there's nothing stopping one from making up their own moral framework based on their own views. Case in point my moral framework is based on the belief that suffering fucking sucks so we should do what we can to minimize it. Lying under this framework is wrong because lies hurt people, either by betraying their trust and damaging their relationship with you or by defaming their character to other people, that's why "white lies" exist, they're inconsequential bullshit that are usually harmless, but even then I'd argue that they're wrong because they damage trust and therefor can lead to needlessly hurt feelings\
TL;DR I'm a faggot and lying is wrong because people get sad when they're lied to, and making people sad is bad

>>510686417 (OP)
Damn, he's leaning into boring boomer shit. I never liked this guy that much though, so whatevs!!

>>510692131
More info is needed. Is the murderer looking for an ally/family member/friend/neighbor or an enemy?

>>510692131
Ohh this is a good one. Well done bro

>>510692250
I hate lying. I see it as a form of weakness. It reflects badly upon the God that I loved.

>>510687881
Imagine not knowing the difference between negative moral claims and positive moralclaims and quoting an authority as your argument. Boot lickers like you are as dumb as niggers. You have to be 18 to post here

>>510686417 (OP)
I'm not a fedora tipper, however, objectively speaking creating lies creates problems in a plethora of different ways.
Lie to your loved ones? You betray their trust and build your relationships on a house of cards.
Lie to your friends? Even if they don't find out the truth, what you fabricated will eventually either catch up to your, brought up again making you forge new lies, or you'll have to just tell the truth and then everyone'll be confused and distrustful of you.
Lie to yourself? You will feel the weight of your actions.

Lies are objectively evil for these reasons.

>>510692299
>Objective morality doesn't exist
Found the noodle-armed liberal

>>510686566
Educate men without faith and you but make them clever devils.

>>510692374
>>510691952
>Watch this clown short circuit..

>>510690683
>> humanity's collective morality has progressed

How? Explain because millions are still dying every day hell more so than in the past. So this is once again made-up by your ass.

>> intelligence creating technology


Technology is meaningless you still die and intelligence is subjective. I was told Einstein was a genius and yet he is 6 feet under ground, what was the point of his “intelligence”? AI steals so thieves are now considered intelligent, huh?

>> good indicator that we are on the right path towards objective morality

By stealing other people's work?

>> the past is dumber than us

And yet they have more freedom than we do. To you intelligence means being a slave.

>> human can agree that we are less retarded than we were during prehistory

Prove without kikes fake history that the prehistoric age actually existed. Yeah, we all know you can't.

>> there exists an ultimate form of each


To who? Yeah you really like to suck your own dick, huh? You say a bunch of made-up stuff my dude. Let me guess you are still studying for your Ged. Lmao!

Its weird how atheist get all this criticism about morality when most of the bad shit throughout history was perpetuated by believers in different religions or deities. In more recent times you have asshats like Trump mentioning god and bombing countries in the same sentence. Like sure we might be a little degenerate, but these fuckers act like we're just psychopaths running around ruining good christian societies.

>>510692293
If my friend John is at my house and a murderer comes by and says
>is John here i want to murder him?
should i lie or tell the truth?

>>510686417 (OP)
>objective moral standard
contradiction
standard assumes subjectivity not objectivity

>>510686417 (OP)
It's not like religious have an "objective" moral base any more than Atheists.
And Stefan turns his coat which ever way the wind happens to be blowing.

>>510692427
>no rebuttal
You will continue to give me energy, you will mock me despite me having no flaw whatsoever, and I will get blessed for it.

>>510686417 (OP)
>objective morality
>implying

>>510687893
Anothrt faggot that doesn't understand human morality. Morality is a consequence of person hood aka free will (the ability to compare proposed actions to ideal standards). A human in the wild alone can abstract about universals of negative moral claims.

Your talking shit out of your ass and either won't reply or spread dishonest faggotry because your a dumb fuck nigger

>>510692525
>>510691952
>Watch this clown short circuit..

>>510692023
Speaking of blasts from the past

>>510691859
Without the chessboard can you still win at chess? Hell if I shot you and then moved your piece would you still win? Yeah, see it’s all subjective hell we have to agree with the rules. What if I want my king to just glide over and kill your king? What can you do except tell me to stop or quit and guess what? I would win.

>>510686417 (OP)
Lying is harmful and you shouldn’t seek to harm others. It’s amazing I didn’t need christkikery to prevent me from being a harmful asshole. I always find it funny that christkikes admit that if they didn’t have their jew book holding them back they would be be evil. Why do they need a jew book to not be psychopaths?

>>510692522
God is the judge of that objective morality.

>>510691118
>intelligence can create more intelligence, just like AI.
Damn dude, do you browse reddit with that kinda IQ?

>>510686417 (OP)
lying isn't objectively wrong. Many circumstances in life require you to lie and nobody feels bad about it

>>510687423
>judeochristian
Found one!

>>510687399
HIUUUUUR BIGGER NUMBER MAKES MOAR TRUTH HHUUUURDUUUUR IM A YUGE FAGGOT

>>510692671
I'm talking about chess as both a metaphore and a literal. If you think I cannot beat you in a battle to the death, then you are wrong.
>The world as a grand chessboard. All souls as pieces in my accord.

>>510692470
Per capita Atheists have a complete monopoly on mass murders and atrocities. In the past century they accounted for like 1% of the population, but ~75% of all atrocities.

>>510692299
Objective morality is civics. Language creates objective reality, and language writes laws.

(Note: Humans are defined as entities capable of understanding language… so jeets and niggers are excluded.)

>>510692692
What god?

>>510692722
No shit nigger. Got more then two brain cells to jerk off

>>510692836
The omnipotent God.

>>510691879
do you define intelligence as a necessity of civility?
the laws are subjective in determining what defines civility, but they still all try to aim for objectivity. civility aka intelligence IS in of itself objective and is something on a macro scale, compared to people and laws which are not anywhere near objective yet and are on a micro scale.
i believe that by objective youre meaning someones rule you must follow or a persons point blank opinion, which isn't what im defining objectivity as. im defining it as being all-correct, something that everyone ever ought to follow.

>>510692675
And you were raised by those same stupid Christians but at least they don't lie like you and say that they don't need religion the same religion that allowed you to live a free life. So you are a liar. You use people and then turn around and say “Oh I’m not like those stupid Christians who raised me and gave me care when I needed it the most.” You are lost and gone. A perpetual liar!

>>510692521
Non whites cant do philosophy

>>510692836
The one you hate the most.

atheism is just what happens when the goyim overdose on too much kikery and pilpul. shabbos goyim OD.

THERE IS A GOD
SUCKERS
BRIT MILAH
LCHAIM
FILTHY KIKE PARASITES
YOUR CALLED THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN IN MY BIBLE
HURRY UP BACK TO HELL

>>510692795
I already beat you then because I disagree with what you are saying. So now what would you do? I believe you really did mean you could beat me in chess and hey I’m right. So tell me what you would do now? This is why everything is subjective! We have to agree for you to win.

>>510692692
Subhuman authoritarian faggot take. God gave you the fucking tools use them and stop sucking off the priest because some Jews sucked off baby penis after they skinned it alive.

>>510687999
>Okay so then we can just lie then when we feel like it.
t. "christian"

>>510692486
No answer
I gave this scenario to a guy on here once who was also claiming that it was never moral to lie, he came up with all sorts of bullshit to avoid answering

>>510692521
Chriskikes want to say something else

>>510692698
a person who genetically does better than their parents will usually make their offsprings life better than what their parents did to the person. theres also natural selection, and darwinism, and all that... (evolution is a pattern recognition scheme just like AI, i just thought bringing up AI would make it easier to understand for your retarded ass)

>>510692425
cope

>>510688798
so the bible is at best as accurate as every other "fake and gay" history
winning argument

if there was no morality without god why does god give a fuck?

>>510693080
I will just keep existing and assert my dominance as the God Emperor of the universe. You can whine about it. I am the Apex.

>>510692486
You kill him, he admitted that he is going to commit a crime so all hands are off. You don't need to lie in this scenario. Next!

>>510692905
>do you define intelligence as a necessity of civility?
To maintain civility, yes.
>>510692905
>i believe that by objective youre meaning someones rule you must follow or a persons point blank opinion
Then you believe wrong
>>510692905
>im defining it as being all-correct, something that everyone ever ought to follow.
"All-correct" by who's standards and what defines "correct"?

>>510692930
My father raised me and he wasn’t a christkike so I’m not sure what you are on about. Why do you need a jew book to control you from being an animal? Help me understand. What exactly is wrong with your brain where without your jew book you would be a violent ape that lies cheats steals kills and tolerates those that do? Why do you have such shit character?

>>510686417 (OP)
Oh no... turns out my philosoraptor was actually a midwit... not again!

>>510693241
And yet when I turn off this phone you will cease to exist so once again, that is subjective!

>>510693033
>I hate Cinderella
Grow up kiddo

>>510693077
>worship my kike god
Kys, groyper

>>510693087
My God is the Best.

>>510686417 (OP)
Youre retarded. Molymeme has explained endlessly his philosophical moral principle of Universally Preferred Behavior.
His point, if you understand this, is to attack the nihilism of leftist atheism.
He's done this for a decade now. His entire point is that leftist atheism has been catastrophic to western civilization because it only attacked and destroyed morals and meaning, leaving degeneracy and nihilism.
He is very much dedicated to logical morality absent god/faith. Its literally his defining position.
UPB is his theory on secular morality.

>>510687540
>Who says you need to obey the golden rule?
This is a really retarded false axiom youve fallen for in your understanding of morality and ethics.
There is not a requirement for a third party to explain morality or a consequence to not following for morality to exist.
There only needs to be a logical basis, and a universal application.
Prove this axiom you stated. The burden of proof is on you here.
Humans exist and live as if good and evil exist, its instinctive and within our lived and evolved experiences, we understand a basic concept of wanted and unwanted behavior toward outselves and each other.
Nihilism is not the null-hypothesis, because you cannot convince me that my life has no meaning to myself, and therefore the burden of proof is on you.

>>510693271
His dad was and if not his dad’s dad was. So once again you have lied to me and everyone here. But go on continue lying.

>>510691319
here is the answer as an atheist that the christians can't beat without revealing that they have an illogical double standar

>>510693289
Nah, I will keep living rent free in your head. You will debate with me during your work, when you eat, and in your dream. You can never ignored me.

>>510693241
The only thing you're beating is your meat later tonight, probably to gay porn too, fag!

>>510691348
so? homosexuals are objectively wrong in the fact that men are physical attractive since its not even coded into us nor women. they dont find men attractive, theyre simply sexual deviants. almost all homosexuals find women and/or feminine men attractive, as for women they might simply choose not to indulge for tertiary reasons.
homosexuality, that is a XY being attracted to an XY, is absolutely not wrong unless youre a simp christcuck. every person with an IQ above 1 would fuck a biological male that is physically female than a biological female that looks like mike tyson. homosexuality isn't bad, homosexuals are.

>>510693372
I don't work so um I don't really care and you won't last that long in a conversation with me. Just like everyone else. I can continue pointing out that you are wrong but it’s all subjective Your reply to me proves that everything is subjective.

>>510693254
>"All-correct" by who's standards and what defines "correct"?
i already explained this

>>510693337
No my grandpa wasn’t a christkike or was my great grandpa. Are you going to answer why you need a jew book to keep you in line? What sickness do you have? Do you hear voices or something do they tell you to do bad thing? I genuinely want to know

>>510693511
You can only reply to me because you have the power to do so. Without that Power, and energy, you can't do shit.

This is objective.

>>510693297
>latvian
LOL . sorry kiddo I guarantee you'll take the rope before me.

I might be your father better ask your whore mother. stay Godless , faggot. the jews love you. your best hope is an eternity of hell beside the demonic kike , fire and brimstone eternal buffet.

> CTRL+F universal
a (you) to anyone knowing the difference between objectivity and universality

>>510693271
Honestly that's not even a great argument, the best argument is the fact a true believer can't be bought or sold. Society would be better for that objective reason alone. If more people feared an objective righteous law, they would be less susceptible to blackmail and bribery. Probably more wiling to die for their righteous cause as well. Doesn't even matter if it's true or not just that people think it is and act as though it is.

>>510690683
Nah.

More 'intelligent' societies have sub replacement birth rates.

The stats don't lie.

You say AI is 'proof'?

Sure. When the population collapses and can't make the video cards to run the AI and then we are are back to Muslim values because they are the only people who reproduce where does that leave you?

If your value system doesn't at the minimum support human civilization it's doomed.

Only midwits think otherwise.

The proof will be the first 3 year period where high IQ people have a higher than replacement birth rate. If AI achieves that I would be surprised because women would by necessity lose the 'right' to abortion and birth control would become illegal unless you think you can do it by any other means.

Good luck with that under democracy. This plane is on a terminal trajectory and people are pretending they don't see it.

>>510693659
So your argument is you think people need to be sheep so they are more willing to die for stupid bullshit that you tell them is real. I guess christkikes really are psychopaths your not doing much to dispel that

>>510691319
And another culture that accepts deception for personal gain is just as valid as yours.
You still have no objective morality in your worldview, you've just stated what you feel is right.
You can't have objective morality without God
Not the same framework as religion at all
Atheists are fucking conformist retards

>>510686417 (OP)
By what objective moral standard are you deciding to be Christian?

>>510693538
Not really

>>510693248
He's armed, you're not. You have no chance if you try anything funny. Now what?

>>510693936
my culture is true and I believe in it as objective yours is wrong and inferior

>>510686417 (OP)
Truth is its own moral standard, you weaken yourself by ignoring it, you make it harder to influence future outcomes if you operate on or peddle in false premises.

Also Christianity doesn't even hold truth telling in very high regard, its not even a base commandment, false witness is more about testifying in court to incriminate someone, not telling white lies or deceiving aggressors.

inbf hurr durr richard dawkins but he argues that populations that act morally at least among themselves simply just have a better chance of survival because cooperation. more so than a roaming band of psychos that rape eachother.

still, seems like self-own when christians say there wouldn't be any morality without god because essentially sounds like if there wasn't a god that's what they would do.

>>510694193
Yes, life isn't a gta games becauae there is a God.

>>510694193
> if there wasn't a god that's what they would do.
it's the exact same argument as with the morality of state laws
> hurr durr, Dawkins is intellectually dishonest because he's a statist and atheist
> *becomes christian*
and I thought he got rich enough on crypto
a sect is a sect, though

>>510694253
if you need the threat of eternal damnation in order to not rape, steal, and murder you're a piece of shit. simple as.

>>510693033
Would be fairly odd to hate something you don't believe to exist.

>>510694425
A threat of higher power is evidence in the hand of the law.

>>510694425
let him be, his theology and culture makes him think his inferior and wrong culture says it is true
my culture is objective superior and true no such place exist

>>510694425
Might makes Right. Power is Absolute. God is powerful, so God is good.

>>510694610

>>510686417 (OP)
Poor little Molymeme jumping on the christcuck grift.

>>510694610
Yes, without a god involved at all.

>>510694828
Lmao.

>>510686566
Love how you immediatly involve god when talking about morality. You said it yourself, following Jesus's teachings makes you more righteous. I cant think of a single teaching that when followed properly doesnt improve your life in some way.

>>510686566
Intelligent people also lie, a good chunk of them don't even think that's a bad thing

>>510688243
A doff of the ol' cap at thee, m'sir

>>510688930
WW2 history was written by atheists and we all know just how many lies it contains.

>>510695043
>WW2 history was written by atheists
Why would you make such a ridiculous claim? Trolling?

>>510686566
>I'll save myself through sheer rationalism and intellect.
O.K., Dr.Peterson vs 20 atheists.

>>510694968
weirdly enough I think a good chunk of christians doesn't actually believe it to be literally true but it should be and thus they act accordingly. the noble lie thing you know

>midwits arguing philosophy
stefan "80 iq" molyneux needs to look up moral realism, moral naturalism and consequentalism
none of which are theist positions.

>>510695170
>protecting jews
sounds pretty atheist to me
some would even call it communist

>>510686930
>atheists always involve religion
You have no idea what atheism is. It's OK, most "atheists" think it means denying the existence of God when it's the rejection of theism and its zealots.
>coherent moral framework
"Because sky daddy said so" isn't a moral framework. If you don't think altruism can exist outside of fear induced worship of a vindictive, schizo, omnipotent yet testy sacrificial moon God then talking about Locke's basic bitch maximums or Aristotle's eudaimonia is going to be lost on you.

>>510695307
>moral realism
"Moral realism is the view that moral claims, like "killing is wrong," can be objectively true or false, much like scientific claims."

GTFO of here with your "but we MUST feed and house the needy" garbage pseudo-morality. This sort of shit directly feeds into pathological empathy that gets hijacked by melavolent actors.

>>510695360
Jews are not atheists fren and they only wrote part of the lies.

>>510695498
I think the cope how it's actually murder is wrong given how christianity has killed a shit ton of people.

>>510695170
Soviets provided "evidence" for most of WW2 history, what's ridiculous about that?

>>510695537
the only people that would protect the killer of our saviour Jesus are atheists
admit it

>>510695389
>altruism
Hijacked by leftists into "feeding them a fish for a day", you now created a poverty stricken, learned helplessness, underclass that resents you for being so much better off you can spare to them...an insult to their ego.

>>510695596
Periods of lived Christian rule are few and far between. Its not a machine you put in gear and it takes you to the promised land. Its a living effort.

>>510695603
in a sense the soviets are just a spin on christianity. communism is a salvation religion with prophets, holy books, original sins, promise lands, even it's own kind of apocalypse with prophecies. ironically enough it's kinda like anabatism back in the late middle ages early rennaisance taking the bible literally. the stuff about the camel and so on.

>>510695596
I mean, look at pre-WW1 to WW2, they were largely not believers, they had just discovered "technology" and mapped the world, were studying stars and such. It was seen an antiquated beliefs of "metaphors and allegories".

>>510686417 (OP)

>Why should you not lie?

Morality is a product of evolution anon. Some people are moral and don't like because it's a good long term cooperative strategy. Groups that cooperate will beat groups that don't cooperate almost always. That is how morals evolved by natural selection.

>>510695801
Not that I disagree per se, but if we can't claim that Soviets were atheists then what are we even doing here?

>>510695911
wasn't a good chunk of their leadership jewish?

>>510695882
Morality is not something reserved only for your in-group, those are just societal rules you're talking about.

>>510686417 (OP)
The butthurt they have tells me it's personal. They are either gay or hate someone who happens to be religious. Nothing to do with objective morals.

>>510686417 (OP)
I guess it's because I have empathy for other people and wouldn't like being lied to by others to my own detriment.

>>510692023
what about catturd?

>>510686417 (OP)
>Stefan asks: hey atheists! Why should you not lie?
Because you're white and you've been cultivated at the genetic level to preserve a high-trust honor society. There are a critically low proportion of whites like that left in the West though, so the argument might not resonate the way it did a century ago; we've been judaized and reduced to slave-morality appeals, so Christian appeals to the authority (and wrath) of Yahweh might be the only thing we have left.

>>510686417 (OP)
even if Stefan is asking a great question, and his implication is correct, he's only doing this shit because he needs money from his fanbase. shit like this would be nice to see if it wasn't clearly grifting.

>>510686566
Children can understand the concept of morality without an education.

>>510686417 (OP)
>Morality is whatever God says
Is God an Object? Or a Subject?
If God is a Subject, then that's SUBJECTIVE morality, not Objective.

>>510696068
Your entire country voted to leave the EU to end mass migration...only for it to ramp up because of it. Your entire culture is centered around lying to themselves.

This has created passive men who only want positivity but are barred from taking charge of things in the society...*because* you dont lie. This is why your people have a government thats against you. You *dont* lie, steal, cheat, rape.

>>510695989
Yes, but they certainly didn't practice openly if they practiced at all.

>>510695603
Oh you think that the Allies as a whole didn't write the history of WW2?

>>510686746
Some people can't imagine living without white lies. They think it makes them more likeable and impressive.
You can be 100% honest and still be likeable. Just use tact and manners.

>>510696186
What is the morality of a cuckoo bird?

https://youtu.be/7BmGROmnrUA?si=lBEnI-hmPN_WKdAv

>>510686417 (OP)
>Why should you not lie? Why should you be moral and do the right thing?
Because I'm White and not some faggot shitskin christcuckold.

>>510696243
thank you for breathing Armenia
you are blessed

>>510696423
who gives a fuck?
we pay taxes to pedophiles
that are above the law

>>510686417 (OP)
>ONE DOLLAR

>>510696363
Is that what I said? Just take the L, you forgot that Soviets controlled more than half of physical locations where the war actually happened.

>>510696494
I am biologically program to worship God.

>>510686417 (OP)
Morals are principally a codified social/antisocial rule framework. They are objective in the sense that they lead to prosocial/antisocial behavioral outcomes.

No god required.

>>510696539
You brought up the history of WW2.
Now you're pretending that you only referred to the Holocaust.
And tell me to take the L.
Lol! XD

>>510687219
retard
he didnt ask what the benefits of telling the truth are. he asked how do you know lying is wrong

>>510696632
I am biologically programed to survive
so...
you have your schizo fit
I'm going in the fallout shelter

>>510687219
Many people tell the truth because they want to. Not because they fear punishment. If you only do good because of fear then do you wonder why you are antisocial and uncivilized?

>>510696857
Genshin Impact is still the number 1 hottest shit in the gacha market despite Wuthering waves being far better. I believe it's all because of Paimon.

Can atheist explain otherwise?


https://youtu.be/TldM0xe_6Xc?si=LXt6G1g7xyeHZCcm

>>510696951
I don't know what any of that means or how to react to it
have an interesting video I found recently instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-0ONrHP_2w

>>510697074
Of course. You don't know. You are not omniscient.

God knows, and that's all that matter.

>>510697130
nope
nothing is
all is chaos

>>510688059
Athiesism is rebellion and rejection of God and all things spiritual. It's a reactive not proactive view.

>>510697216
The God I have seen can predict the future with 100% precision.

>>510687999
Sure you can lie, just dont cry when it eventually bites you in the ass because at some point or another you will slip up. If you need an all powerful god to tell you not to lie you aren't a moral person anyway.

>>510697250
tell him to stop being a psychotic crazy cunt that does nothing but chaos and reward evil then

>>510686417 (OP)
Morality is fake and gay. A fiction you tell yourself to get what you want.

>>510688634
/this
Corruption in religion is the main attack on God. You are attacking flawed people and not the laws of the universe.

>How are you doing?
I'm good thanks(no, I'm fucking not)
>Did you like your food?
Yes it was delicious ( It was below mediocre)
>Do I look good in this dress?
Yes, you look beautiful (Its looks like shit because you got fat)

>lying is objectivelly wrong
KYS religious hypocrites

>>510696951
They named her after one of the great kings of Hell hail king Paimon. He has some pretty cool lore. What is her character like?

>>510697392
Reality is designed in a way so that no one can predict the future. Biologically impossible. Only God can do that. Faith is all we have.

>>510693218
Always has been, only dumb protties worship the bible

>>510686417 (OP)
good one

>>510686898
One dollar man

>>510697600
>assume total chaos and anarchy
>my god is great
this is mental illness

>>510686417 (OP)
What's the objective moral standard of ONE FUCKING DOLLAR!?

>>510686417 (OP)
Just so you know when Stephan asks these questions, it's an act of legitimate inquiry. They aren't rhetorical.

>>510686417 (OP)
Life's usually just easier when you don't.
But when it's easier to lie, then do it.
Everyone lives this way, regardless of their moral code.

>>510697761
I have no flaw in my mental capacity.

>>510697875
You think the world is a mere shit test as one of the faithful but engage in it constantly to enforce your misguided will upon it, odd.

>>510689411
Which is why I'm not anti-religion despite being an atheist. I think religion is a useful tool for stopping bad behavior.
>>510691771
Yes, and how often does that situation actually happen? How often can you tell a lie that substantially benefits you with little to no downside? I have this mindset and there is a reason I said people should tell the truth in most situations.
>>510696813
What? If something benefits me, then that is a good choice. If something hurts me, then that is a bad choice. Telling the truth is a good choice in most situations.
>>510696866
>you are antisocial and uncivilized
Damn, I didn't know that. I'll have to tell that to the dozen or so friends I'm going on vacation with next month. I don't think I'll have to tell the other twenty guys that I regularly talk to in discord and play strategy games with, since they're probably antisocial and uncivilized too. Maybe I should tell my family? Nah, we spend so much time together and they care about me a lot, so they must know already. They probably just didn't think it would be nice to tell me. Anyway, kys retard.

>>510686417 (OP)
Atheists are just Jews without the special extra rights or tribal nepotism connections.

>>510698023
Projection. The world is my garden, and the supreme God is my lover.

>>510689262
>Lives in Christian based civilization and culture.
>"Why do I need a God to know that rape and murder is wrong?"
>Supports utilitarian state
>"What, whatever produces the most good."

You sound a nigger child. You don't have a family, you don't have a wife. You are a faggot millennial who never figured it out.
>"morality is self evident".
Dumb fuck thinks that Atheist Romans would end slavery.

>>510698142
...that'd be heresy buddy

atheists can't even survive a decade without being vaxxed to death

>>510698245
According to whom?

>>510698363
theism last time I checked
>God is my lover

>>510698412
Yes. The supreme God is my lover. I am the only one being able to say that, and meant it. Because it is the Truth.

>>510686417 (OP)
Atheists have no objective moral standard by which they know that lying is wrong.
Neither do Abrahamics.
The ten commandments given at Sinai don't make an exception for the Mosaic commandment to go to Canaan and exterminate all the people so as not to "adopt their abhorrent ways".
Judaism failed from the start, it's an absolutely ridiculous religion that makes no sense and only causes harm to the world.

>>510696186
and?

>>510698487
>muh dick
go on

>>510686417 (OP)
because lying is not wrong, language is a tool and one should not arbitrary handicaps themselves to give Abrahamists exclusivity edge at lying. At same time one should understand its poor long term strategy and hinders tight inner group formation

>>510694968
anything can theoretically be justified. war is always justified against your enemies. you sound category 5 christcuck

>>510698658
>In the beginning there was no dick
>God said Let there be dick
Here I am.

>>510694891
>a
god. which ive already explained the difference of with a made-up specific theistic god.

"do good" is basic common sense, except its said in such a way that it makes genuinely good people lower their guard.

>>510698691
King David was denied the right to build the temple because he was a killer of men.
It was left to his successor King Solomon, a rampant idolator.
What then do we learn about God's attitude toward murder that we don't learn from the ten commandments?

>>510698738

>>510686417 (OP)
>ah so you want to tell the truth and not believe in magic space farts?
>so how would you lie??
religioncucks not recovering from this one

>>510686417 (OP)
Who?

>>510686566
>can exist
>yet doesnt exist

>>510692452
holy boomer

>>510697225
sounds jewish

>>510699318
Epicurean believe in the Devil.

>>510686417 (OP)
Unfortunately for Christians, the universe is vast, dark, cold and morally utterly indifferent

Morals are an emergent property out of the need for human survival and flourishing, there is no objective grounding to them. Morals change all the time and have changed throughout history. There is no such thing as an objective morality that exists independent of human thought, experience and the fundamental desire for survival

>>510688798
or npcs exist, and the rate of their existance increases based on access to jewish religions

>>510699394
Name those that think themselves moral.

>>510699450
Abraham should have killed that cuckoo kid. Just saying.

>>510699318
if a god existed, it would know right between wrong. a god can be created as a god is within this realm, so are humans, meaning with enough technology and intelligence, right can be discerned between wrong by creating a ultimate intelligence.

>>510699389
better than believing in yahweh, who is retarded

>>510699589
You have never seen God, yet you think God is ugly. I have a bad news for you.

God is the most beautiful being. If you have ever seen God. You will feel like you want to die for being unable to reach tbat greatness.

>>510699589
svd

>>510694870
Words on money aren't what enforces the law

>>510699549
you can determine right between wrong by speaking to god, same way we always did it.
lying isnt wrong, because god does it. some events are necessarily only possible through being told a lie to achieve a good end.

good = creator god. no matter how evil he is.
or is good = something else?
what defines good, if not god?
these are questions youd have to look back 2500 years to find answers to, since today youre living in an atheist in all but name cesspit

>>510699726
I am the Master of Violence, and I obey the Almighty God.

>>510687893
You and your picture are unintentionally hilarious for every reason you don't want to be. You have so few principles that you have to hang your hat entirely on women's rights and begging the existence of billionaires. This, in an era where facebook normies are denouncing feminism, and the edgiest social commentators are openly speaking of removing women's rights.

This is your true face. Atheism was always the degenerative voice, demanding no-fault divorce, demanding the decriminalization of sodomy, demanding rights for immigrants and jews. Your spiritual idol, Jeremy Bentham, believed in all of these things. He invented the "Jesus raped a boy in the bathhouse" story from nothing, he made it up just to try and convince British Christians that sodomizing boys was morally fine.

You were always freaks, calling God a bigot and a savage. And now, over the last two centuries, you have been ruthlessly beaten on every issue you ever took. There was never a real racist atheist, there was never a conservative or traditionalist God-denier. The divine force you claimed was fiction has shown you up on every issue. People hate fags again, people hate niggers and jews again. Even women are beginning to loathe women's rights. Your modern idols have been forced to walk it all back, their egos bruised and shattered. Hitchens and Dawkens claiming to be "cultural Christians." Molyjew arguing that biblical law is necessary for Western morals.

You lost. You've lost every battle you tried to fight, God defeated you without ever needed to raise a finger against you. Even now, in the 58th minute of the 11th hour, you're still here, desperately rehashing old arguments to try and win some kind of consolation prize in philosophy. Your own actions, who you attack and what you criticize, is itself proof that your harshest critics were right from the start. You're just a midwit with daddy issues, who hates the Christian God solely and especially for emotional reasons.

>>510696412
I've worked with a number of people over the years who would lie to a ridiculous degree about the most ridiculous shit imaginable. I worked with a guy who maintained a faux American accent despite I believe, not being American. He would tell people shit like his parents abandoned him as a baby and he was found and adopted by a famous rock star.

>>510688243
All that data on cross referencing, and nowhere on the picture is a translation version given. Fedoralords are the worst gish gallopers of them all. You learned it by emulating the jews you love so much.

>>510699775
Yeah bro the government obeys god so hard *aborts babies, legalises homo marriage*

Stefany Prostituex is just another Judas Peterstein

>>510700204
Balancing the ecosystem is part of the duty.

>>510688713
>the fact that theres a theoretical good intuition/moral in reality that can exist, and that you can theoretically move forward to, is enough to prove that morality is objective.
The problem is that this is true only and exclusively for white people, and no one else.

The bible even comments on this, with God telling the Israelites that He "wrote the law on their hearts," meaning that the descendents of Abraham intuitively know right from wrong and prefer to live by those morals. This is what God meant when saying things like "they are circumcised in spirit" or "made in my image."

Only white people have an inherent moral compass built into them. This is a truth that is so obvious that it should be self-evident, but most people deny it because they're not racist enough, or have done no biblical studies beyond surface level hippy boomer ziotardation.

Fedoralords, and broader philosophers in general, will never make any headway in crafting some sort of "unified theory of everything" for morality, until they can admit that only white people have an intrinsic instinct for goodness. You will always be confounded by the fact that God wrote the law on a white man's heart, but that inclination does not exist for a chinaman or a nigger.