Do Poles/Balts really think Americans will even lift 1 finger for them if Russia attacks? Do they really think Washington is ready to sacrifice New York and Chicago for Warsaw and Tallinn?

Imagine being this delusional... Article 5 is pure deterrence, when shit actually hits the fan Americans will be quick to compromise with Russians.

If it's a meme why are ziggers deathly scared of it?

>>510702221 (OP)
Nato exists to defend Israel in the Middle East.

>>510702221 (OP)
How much spam does this catalog need?

>>510702221 (OP)
I'd ride or die for Estonia, but I don't decide such things.

>>510702279
do you really think America will defend you if Russia attacks?

>>510702221 (OP)
I found a flaw in your argument.
You're sperging about nukes. Nobody will use nukes because they're taboo.
The only thing that matters about having nukes is other countries knowing that you have them. Nobody is going to use them.

>>510702221 (OP)
if it was a meme finland and sweden wouldn't be shitting their pants begging for membership

>>510702221 (OP)
Just stay out when rromaniggers gonna get hit!

>>510703210
This
This is why everyone wants a nuclear deterrent but zelenzkike said he was gonna shit himself like a big autistic baby and shoot them at moscow. Vlad said "aight nuff of dis sheit, dafuq timmy gon do?" Since russia is literally nigeria with snow and I am almost positive russians on average are half a standard IQ deviation from run of the mill white europeans.

>>510702279
lol, lmao even

>>510702221 (OP)
>Obama, Trump, Biden foster a war on EU's borders with Russia.
>Biden cripples the German economy by doing/okaying Nordstream gas supplies.
>Biden, uses Britain to create a bloc of small EU states within the EU that want Poland to take over leadership from France & Germany, divide & rule.
>Biden tells Germany they now have to fund the war as its Europes war not the USA's.
>A secret source in USA tells German Chancellor Merz Trump is 'leaving NATO', on the basis of that (false) info Merz announces massive rearmanent. https://archive.is/OjMaj
>Trump demands Euros make 5% GDP commitment to NATO, the effect of which will be a massive borrow and spend that will suck huge wealth from Euros.
The timeline indicates that its US policy to clip the wings of Europe and its elites. Does that imply they also want a conventional war between EU states and Russia that would intensify the above? Sure, makes sense.
Are Euro leaders dumb enough to do that?
Sure, they are loyal to USA hegemony, committed Atlanticists, they see no divergence between US interests and those of Euros.
So OP is right, USA will decide not to get involved in a hot war with Russia, but it will be happy to finance and arm Europe as it fights following the manufacture of the perfect conditions.

>>510702221 (OP)
I hope they don't. Europeans have become fat lazy stupid morons who have forgotten what really matters in life, their people and their race. They only live for the money now.

>>510707138
Budgets don't increase, they get reshuffled. Besides, Europe's fate is death by demographics and dwindling economy anyway, the only way Europe could ever somehow ride the tiger is by annexing the entire Russia and turning it into EU Lebensraum.

I don't see the Russians trying it tho. They invaded Georgia and Ukraine and also keep an occupied territory in Moldova. I don't see them invading a NATO member on their borders.

>>510707509
protip for you: start using a memeflag because nobody real gives a single fuck what the anglo has to say. all that flag communicates to billions around the world is THIEF and LIAR.

>>510707138
Within the entire Europe, the only people that wished us well are the Russians. Everyone else wants us dead.

>>510702221 (OP)
>Do Poles/Balts really think Americans will even lift 1 finger for them if Russia attacks?
Russia seems to think that

>>510702221 (OP)
>Article 5 is pure deterrence
So it's working?

>when shit actually hits the fan Americans will be quick to compromise with Russians
Russians don't seem willing to take the risk of MAD

>>510707927
Pridnestrovie isn't an occupied region. It was given to Moldova and when Moldova decided to chimp out, the region separated itself and joined The Russian Federation.

The Benelux and Scandinavia are enough to beat Russia to its knees.

>>510702221 (OP)
There is a city in one of those baltic shithole countries that is right on the border with russia and has like 99% russian population. If Russia takes it there is 0% chance USA will do anything

>>510702221 (OP)
It doesn't matter. Europe can take Russia. They're not really powerful anymore.

I don't believe so, but it doesn't matter when our politicians think world's politics operate on basis of good will, and being nice and grateful.
I also don't think Russia will attack Poland in the near future. But hey, I've been wrong before.

>>510708676
You are underestimating how demoralized europe is currently. If germany suffers 100 casualties a day it would cause unrest and the country would collapse

>>510708552
Who's knees?

>>510702221 (OP)
Polish are just gayer Russians who got molested by Catholic priests during childhood.
And they liked it.

>>510702221 (OP)
>turkey
>in nato

>>510708768
If you think that we would fight the Russians, you are delusional.

>>510708789
I'm sure that everyone molested them.and liked it.

>>510708768
And you think Russia and Ukraine weren't? They were and now they're even more. Russia doesn't have the money or equipment to take any European country. Heck they might even lose Ukraine war at this point. If this war lasts too long Russia will have to give up. I give it two more years.

>>510708835
I mean look at this guy. I didn't even say anything negative about russia.

>>510708803

>>510702221 (OP)
Poles need to make peace with the fact that both their "allies" and Russia fully expect them to be Ukraine 2 and nobody is coming to help.
Just like trannies never were women, Poland was never Western Europe and Central Europe does not exist.

>>510702221 (OP)
America might not even be necessary.
Russia was expected to absolutely curbstomp Ukraine, but not only did it not get captured in 3 days russia has lost immeasurable power.
A far reach from the country once considered near peer to america.

>>510703101
Yes I do. But Bertrand Russell believed it war happened Russia's best try,would be to nuke the UK and the rest of the world would see the destruction and agree to live in peace

>>510702221 (OP)
We went thousands to die for no real reason in Iraq. Americans love warfare, we invaded Mexico for shitty reasons, we blew up our own battleship to fight a war against Spain, we declared war on Germany because we were supposedly threatened by them suggesting Mexico attack us even as they were in a civil war. We've been so bored since Afghanistan ended.

>>510702221 (OP)
>NATO is a fucking meme
I agree, we should just get nukes and that would guarantee sovereignty forever.
I am thinking the judaized powers that be want to keep this "russia threat" alive because there is literally no reason to not get nukes.
That would get rid of the threat for good and we could resume business as normal without any aggressive posturing
Nuclear armed country has never been invaded

>>510702221 (OP)
Relying on US is delusional but after witnessing Russia's performance in Ukraine, it's clear that US isn't needed anymore.

>>510703101
no, which is why russia being scared of NATO borders seems silly

>>510702295
/thread

>>510710449
maybe its not being scared, maybe its just anger and viewing it as losing potential leverage by threat, or just future potential allies in some long future conflict
like feeling that the country has been lost as potential friend or ally forever

If NATO is a nothingburger then "NATO expansion" is also a nothingburger and there is no reason for ziggers to chimp out about it.

>>510702221 (OP)
So what do you propose? We know from the experience that neutrality is a fucking meme.

>>510702221 (OP)
When the Falklands was attacked by Argentina none of our NATO allies lifted a finger to come to our defence.
If I remember correctly America was selling them missiles.

>>510707256
Congratulations on the most retarded take on this thread. We are all just rich and chasing after more money indeed.

>>510713222
> When the Falklands was attacked by Argentina none of our NATO allies lifted a finger to come to our defence.

Hahahaha.

>>510702221 (OP)
>Do Poles/Balts really think Americans will even lift 1 finger for them if Russia attacks?
Realistically, what can the US send?
They only have something like 1400 tanks, and the rest is pretty much air force and about 4 operational carriers (there are 11 "in active service", but only 4-5 are actually available for operations).

So in a conventional war, all of NATO has the ability to over 2 years replace 30-40% of Polands armed forces in terms of equipment and maybe provide air force support (from airfields they can't defend).
But that's it pretty much.

So it will be nuclear or nothing.
And Russia has more nukes as well.

>>510708768
>>510702221 (OP)
USA,France,UK would use their naval assets and air force. US some boots on the ground and France and UK special forces.
Germany would stay out of it, but would have no choice in the matter of NATO using it's airspace and vases(Per international law, Germany isn't a sovereign state, see UN Charter).
Sweden would also send air force and naval forces.
I used to think Russia would win easily but current US air superiority is a decade of not two ahead of anything anyone else has.
I can see Baltics Latvia and Estonia falling, but Lithuania probably would hold and serve as a bridgehead to link up with Polish forces.
Russia would lose Kaliningrad and western Belarus if not all of it.
Modern US air power is just too strong for Russia to overcome. Polish and Romanian forces plus Ukraine would be enough to stop Russia, and that's not including western SF and mobile brigades stationed in Eastern Europe.

>>510715932
> Realistically, what can the US send?

I heard Swedish rappers are fearsome warriors. Also considering Sweden was the last to join in (LIFO) I’m kinda calm.

>>510715932
>and maybe provide air force support (from airfields they can't defend).
But that's it pretty much.

That is enough. See what happened to Iran's air defence and air force. Sure Russia would fare better but not by much. The naked truth is that Russia is too backwards technologically compared to the West. It would be decimated in open conflict and it's only hope would be nukes.

>>510702221 (OP)
>Do Poles/Balts really think Americans will even lift 1 finger for them if Russia attacks?
I don't care if they will or not. What matters is Russia believes it and it has worked for 20+ years