why is arguing such a beta male move?

>>510706345 (OP)
The two phrases that instantly assblast most people when either one is used:
>I don't believe you
>I don't care

it isn't always, it just is the vast majority of the time because there's far more pressure to resort to rheotric in-person and most people aren't reasoned into their positions anyway, therefore you can't reason them out of them

>>510706345 (OP)
because it get nothing done

>>510706345 (OP)
no it's not and I'm gonna argue with you about it

Most arguments are mainly about validation. Rarely is it from curiosity and a desire to get to the bottom of the subject.
/pol/ is still too feminine for me.

>>510706345 (OP)
it's inelegant

>>510706345 (OP)
because the strong impose their will on the weak, the only reasons now you see a lot of betas arguing online its because of the safety behind a screen (its also the reason of the rise of troons faggots and all the shit)

>>510706345 (OP)
it really depends if you get paid for arguing.

>>510706345 (OP)
its not
its just that leftists dont argue in good faith
they lie, they play dumb, they twist
therefore its pointless
they basically misuse the freedom that people give them to destroy the country
there is no point arguing with that
they should be jailed

Arguing works if you're intimidating and threatening and commanding. It does not work if you're a powerless beta cuck who's all bark and no bite. All is situational and all is up to luck. However to your point OP, silence is strength when used correctly. When you know whoever's nagging at you won't and can't do shit.

>>510706345 (OP)
You are beta in here

>>510706345 (OP)
omfg no its not retard

>>510706345 (OP)
Which argument did you just lose and why did you think making a new thread about it would reverse your loss?

>>510706345 (OP)
We can't solve disputes by breaking someone's teeth... se we have to resort to big talk

>>510707002
now swap "leftists" with "jews"

>>510706345 (OP)
People don't really argue. We almost need a new word for what people do nowadays. There is no mutual agreement to attempt to arrive at ontological truth together. There is no agreement to advance each other's knowledge and understanding. Instead, each person is attempting to be seen as "right" for the purpose of stroking their own ego. A cheap dopamine hit. A small little social dominance hierarchy spat. If you're actually capable of independent thought and intelligent, the midwit NPC can almost smell this. Your mere existence is a threat to the temporary comfort they're enjoying from conformity. Many times too, these types are FAKING being genuine, and REAL authentic genuineness(?) brings their delusions crashing down, and they can't fucking stand this. Again, your crime is existing. More and more I can't stand being in the presence of other people at all. They're just not even real, soulless. Shitty, crude early versions of LLMS. Like what ever program people were talking to in the 70's that people thought was passing the Turing test.

Fucking niggers, faggots and subhumans, the fucking art of the debate is what made the fucking west you so dearly admire the culture of progress, art and freat thinkers you cum guzzling street shitting imbeciles.

>>510707574
A lot of times they're interchangeable

>>510708056
>I am so addicted to arguing that I want to argue about what it means to argue.

>>510708056
kikesplaining

>>510706345 (OP)
It's "beta" until the "betas" argue long enough and eventually shift public opinion.
I'm sure the first kikes pushing nigger loving back in the 1790's seemed pretty "beta" at the time.
But they won out in the end because they were persistent and unconcerned with public backlash because they were pursuing an agenda rather than truth.
Maybe the real "betas" are the people calling culture manipulators "beta".

>>510708056
>We almost need a new word for what people do nowadays
THIS APPLIES NOT ONLY TO ARGUING BUT ALSO MANY OTHER THINGS. FOR EXAMPLE, "SENTIENCE", "CONSCIOUSNESS" ETC. CANNOT ADEQUATELY BE APPLIED OR NOT APPLIED TO AI. THE WORD IS NOT DESCRIPTIVE OF ANYTHING WHETHER YOU APPLY IT OR NOT. SAME FOR 99% OF THE POLITICAL -ISMS (FASCISM, LEFTISM, CONSERVATISM, LIBERALISM, COMMUNISM, SOCIALISM) MOST OF THESE SIMPLY REDUCE TO 16TH TO 20TH CENTURY KIKE IDEOLOGIES AND NO LONGER APPLY TO THE MODERN DAY WHATSOEVER. WORDS ARE A PRODUCT OF THEIR TIME. PEOPLE GET MAD OVER WORDS THAT MEAN NOTHING AND LANGUAGE THAT MEANS NOTHING.

>>510706345 (OP)
Well that's the thing, boy, if I were to black your eye or lay you out then you would turn tail. your phony, smug, tuff guy act would vanish, you would turn tail and go snitch like a REAL beta bitch and your mask would be off. Try again slut.

>>510706345 (OP)
Persuasion is a weapon of weakness. The strong do not persuade, they command.

>>510712398
No, the powerful conspire in secret and pay people to spread their arguments.

>>510706345 (OP)
>why is arguing such a beta male move?
It implies that the truth you carry requires someone else's approval and concession to shine.

>>510712625
Nowadays yeah, but the evolutionary psychology of the matter is still behind the times.

>>510712398
>>510712981
Your gay "hierarchy of command" ideal wasn't the norm for humanity before civilization came along. A natural human society organically converges on a stable status quo.

>>510712981
In days of kings as well before that it was tribalism and your bullshit doesn't apply at all since they needed the cooperation when membership is significantly smaller than that of citystates and nations.

>>510707002
Hans is correct

I disagree, words matter and make a difference in the world. It is by argument that people are elected to command the most powerful armed forces in the world and it is by words that they command these forces.

>>510706345 (OP)
If you're incapable of violence, your arguments don't matter. If everyone is capable of violence, then you can start arguing.

>>510714110
>If you're incapable of violence, your arguments don't matter. If everyone is capable of violence, then you can start arguing.
Correct. MAD is the backbone of diplomacy.

>>510706345 (OP)
It certainly can be depending on the situation. For example, if you're having a debate with your girl over something it shows that she finds your judgement regarding the matter to be lacking, or at the very least on par with her own position and therefore worth comparing. If you entertain this enough times it signals to her that you're not someone worth following. Ultimately all they want is a good looking grug with a big club who tells them 'this is how it is' without blinking, and then moves on.

Not here to argue, dont have a social life, wish I had something more positive to do but I'm stupid and naive and people just use and abuse me irl so this is my best option where messages are instant and doesnt go anywhere and happens between other autists

>>510706345 (OP)
eh fuck it, the government is actually based
>NOO THEY'RE STEALING MY MONEY AND TAXING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
>MY RIGHTS
stfu fag fair trails are gay go argue about it beta, imprisoning anyone who doesn't agree with me is based af. shit i actually do believe the government is based now that i think hbout it

>>510706345 (OP)
Fuck you you retarded faggot. Your just wrong

>>510708056
ignore the naysayers, ur doin great kid

>>510706345 (OP)
don't even acknowledge the existence of someone who tries to argue, chances are most likely they will be so butthurt they get physical

In patriarchal societies, men meet and discuss politics.
This have been removed from western society.

>>510717144
>chances are most likely they will be so butthurt they get physical
This have always been the case with communists and leftists.
When the rightwing rally they reds bring violence, not arguments because they have no arguments.

>>510706345 (OP)
it's a female activity

>>510717619
Nah arguing rationally is the most masculine thing you can do

The picture in op is someone arguing emotionally

This only happens against a woman who cant argue rationally and turn the argument into emotion where there is no right or wrong

All faggots and women ruin society by not arguing rationally but arguing emotionally

Its what separate left and right wing politics

Right wing try to argue rationally
Left wing try to argue emotionally

>>510706831
>he thinks nerds wouldnt turn into killers and fuck him up if they were forced to

it's not