Mfw I don't know how to short stocks
The AI bubble is about to burst because of the Garbage In Garbage Out problem cuz LLMs are a total DEAD END in solving the chinese room problem

Do shorts have to be timed to-the-day? Or can I set them to go off anytime within the next 6-12 months?

stock exchange is legal gambling for the rich

>literal retard
>off topic thread
>poland
>anti-AI
>pedo image

>>510733998
i'm pro-AI, LLMs are only the A, they aren't I
facts are facts and they aren't pretty, this bubble is about to burst Dotcom-style

>>510733797 (OP)
it's just getting started
don't short you fool
get long and get rich

short losers
like FedEx UPS, transports competing with Amazon
United Health and health insurers
industries that can't turn a profit

>>510733797 (OP)
if you believe this then just buy puts.

>>510734238
>buy puts.
isn't that what shorting is?
but i wonder how restrictive it is, like are there 1-year-lasting puts that i can cash in at any time during?

>>510734751
buying puts (and selling calls) is a form of shorting but less risky (as long as the calls you sell are covered). proper shorting involves borrowing stocks then you have to buy them back, with unlimited downside to you if the stock were to blow up, hence can be riskier and not all traders are allowed to do it.
you can cash in on options any time before the option expires, derivatives are traded just like stocks but without premarket afterhours, at least not for retail traders afaik.

>>510735142
premarket & afterhours*

>>510733797 (OP)
CUNNY

>>510733797 (OP)
yes, shorts have an expiration date
if you don't close your short by the date the broker will either close it for you at whatever price is on that day
or you'll need to up your deposit to cover your short
tl,dr: you can lose more than you invested
executive summary: don't do it, retard

>>510735252
ah, so i can close the short at any given moment before the expiration date? that's nice. can the expiration date be 1-2 years from now? and can it be extended
>executive summary: don't do it, retard
i'm pretty sure the AI bubble is bursting by 2026
same with tesla stock (by 2027)

>>510735533
>ah, so i can close the short at any given moment before the expiration date?
yes
> can the expiration date be 1-2 years from now? and can it be extended
not sure about that
when I realized I could lose more than put I stopped reading and never got into the details
>i'm pretty sure the AI bubble is bursting by 2026
>same with tesla stock (by 2027)
they won't let them burst, that would end the US economy and the empire

>>510735191
>>510735787
What would you even short? Most pure AI companies like OpenAI and Anthropic aren’t even public. You gonna short Google and Meta? Lmao. AI being a bubble won’t hurt them.

The only one that is over valued that I can think of is NVIDIA.

>>510735787
dotcom didn't end the US economy, why would this do it in? you've got sunk cost fallacy

>>510734115
shorting is very dangerous

bubbles don't burst because of cold hard facts, they burst because of a change in public perception

until the AI grifters stop their ongoing multi-billion-dollar, full-spectrum pro-AI marketing campaign, the bubble will not burst

when you stop seeing articles about all the incredible achievements of AI that are just around the corner, and start to see more articles questioning the AI narrative - that's the time to short

>>510736284
>you've got sunk cost fallacy
I'm in boomer stocks on the GPW and I made 37% this year twiddling my thumbs, not sweating any shorts, dates, deposits or other bullshit

>>510736321
no one expected the dotcom bubble to burst so soon, in 1999 the hype was enormous and then by late 2000 it was ogre
i think the hype is peaking just now and 2026 is the end

>>510736088
all the recent growth in the "mag 7" is speculation about future AI-generated profits

this is easy to see because the laggard of the seven (apple) is widely perceived to be "behind" in AI development

>>510733797 (OP)
>chinese room problem
Are you retarded? This is a complete non-issue. Current llms are useless, but in principle an AI doesn't need to "understand" anything, it just needs to act in ways that are financially beneficial to the person who's using it.

>>510733797 (OP)
why the cunny photo ? why the irelevant question?

>>510733797 (OP)
That's a 14 year old, you ficking pedo.

>>510736581
so long as AI doesn't produce any novel output, it's useless as far as general application goes
i'm not doubting that advancements in dumb "AI" will find a use in fields such as unmanned navigation, that scope is simply too narrow to warrant such a gross over-valuation, hence the bubble burst

>>510733797 (OP)
I dunno man why don't you ask AI? Options can have different expiration dates. You really need to do your own research though. If you don't even know options have different expiration dates, it will take too long to get you up to speed.

>>510733797 (OP)
just go to a broker and say you want to trade futures. they will do everything in their power to help you lose your money

>>510733998
>Anti-AI
But this is based. Beyond AI's only use cases being shitposting and porn the massive investment in it is clearly a bubble, restarting entire fucking nuclear plants to power data centers for it.

>>510736753
>>510736843
>lust provoking image
Only way to get replies

>>510733797 (OP)
>LLMs are a total DEAD END in solving the chinese room problem
This is them most retarded statement I've read today and as usual, it comes from a Pole. Good job. There is no "Chinese Room problem".

>>510736863
But most of the economy isn’t built on novelty though. It’s just the same rehashed slop that AI can do faster.

>>510733797 (OP)
Buy put options.
Only problem with writing puts is that there's only limited upside.

>>510733797 (OP)

Don't short if you don't know what you're doing you could end up owing the stock broker money.

Buy long dated puts instead they're safer for beginners. The most you can lose is your initial investment

>>510736863
>so long as AI doesn't produce any novel output, it's useless as far as general application goes
It can produce tons of novel output. It's just that the degree of its novelty will be inversely proportional to the degree of its usefulness.

>>510737136
full-time coding is based on novelty & that was supposed to be AI's biggest future selling point
AI is too retarded to code full-time

>>510736566
>i think the hype is peaking just now and 2026 is the end
very possible, i'm surprised it has gone on this long. i think there is a lot (a LOT) more money going into AI hype today than there was going into internet hype in 1999. it's going to be less about an organic change in public perception and more about watching for the massive marketing campaign/psyop to end

in any case it won't hurt you to set up a brokerage account and learn how to short, so you're prepared when the time comes

>>510736581
>just needs to act in ways that are financially beneficial to the person who's using it.
Never expect more from commercial "AI"

>>510737264
>full-time coding is based on novelty
Wrong. The overwhelming majority of coders are CRUD monkeys and API plumbers who will never solve a novel problem in their career.

>>510737001
lmao...

>>510737032
based. the only reason i helped OP.

>>510736935
>I dunno man why don't you ask AI?
see, AI is so useless and irritating it's easier to discuss shit on 4chin.
especially with how the jews at OpenAI set up their chatgpt as a vague confirmation bias machine. it's useless and you have to tardwrangle it at least 10 times to arrive at a reliable answer

>>510733797 (OP)
You cant.
The hedge fonds and brokers reserve the right to not follow through on your orders with what to do with your money.
They did this with robin hood and rug pulled people by selling their options on gme against their will because it was impacting the hedges short and they did it at rock bottom too.

>>510736088
>Meta
>Not overvalued
Literally the only profit producing thing meta has is facebook besides that they're a meme of a company. As for shorting you don't need a company to stock, you just need to have their stock go down. There's ETFs that are 2x, 3x, or 5x of Nvidia, Tesla, and other major companies or QQQ and there's -2x, -3x, and -5x ETFs the same which just long and short exclusively those stocks to get those returns.

>Why doesn't everyone buy TQQQ and get more than the stock market returns each year?
Because it's high risk and most people don't want to lose 10% of their portfolio in a single bad day when QQQ drops by 5% and if it continues to drop your value drops to near nothing. If QQQ lost half its value your portfolio would essentially be gone.