Private property rights are just a way to enforce artificial scarcity to make a few people rich. Otherwise nature provides enough abundance for everyone freely.

>>510735604 (OP)
You can't eat apples that grow in your yard! You'll forget about Bible? Heathens.

>>510735604 (OP)
>Target is supposed to be giving TVs away for free
just wait for the next time cops kill a nigger

>>510735604 (OP)
No.
It's mine. Come and take it fag.

>>510735604 (OP)
shoot commie scum in the face that try to steal your apples.

>Nature provides enough abundance freely
That right there is why communism will never work. Communist are absolute retards who don't understand anything. If we went by just what nature provided we would have mass famines. If we didn't have modern fertilizers and the plants that created them we would not produce enough food. We almost had wars over islands covered in bird shit because before the process to make fertilizer was discovered we just had to depend on natural sources of fertilizer. There's an island in the pacific that became extremely wealthy just exporting bird shit and is a huge reason why Australia was a successful colony. If you still want to be a hippie you should embrace georgianism, because at least they understood that any functional society needs private property.

>>510738116
Ted K was right.

Everyone has incomplete knowledge because jews keep them running on treadmills never learning shit.

>>510735604 (OP)
I have 5 apple trees and 4 other fruit trees in my yard how about you? Oh? Your HOA won't allow you to plant food producing anything? How curious.

private property kills the tragedy of the commons

>>510735604 (OP)
>nature provides enough abundance for everyone freely
Pre-civilizational tribes would often exhaust the natural resources in a region and have no migrate. They also used to slaughter the shit out of each other over territorial/haunting rights. And that was back when the number of humans was maybe a tenth of a percent of the modern population. I love to hate capitaloons and modernity but still, you're delusional. A non-viable organism.

>>510735604 (OP)
So why dont you grow your own food then?

>>510739931
>So why dont you grow your own food then?
Capitaloons and other violent gangs monopolize all the lands and natural resources.

>>510735604 (OP)
Private property comes from God.

“THE earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.” (Psalms 24:1)

“Thou shalt not steal.” (Exodus 20:15)

“¶ Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour’s landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the Lord thy God giveth thee to possess it.” (Deuteronomy 19:14)

“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.” (Exodus 20:17)

>>510740025
buying land and growing stuff on it is still affordable. its housing or the possibility of housing thats not allowed.

>>510738116
Property tax is the first plank to the communist manifesto, anon. Income tax is the second. Central banking is the fifth while car registration is the sixth.

>>510740261
>“Thou shalt not steal.”
Is the foundation of all property rights.

>>510740380
>buying lan ... is still affordable
Anything is "affordable" depending on how useful a slave you are to the capitaloon gang.

>>510740487
The foundation of "property rights" is zogbottery.

>>510735604 (OP)
Ah, so you're here for my house, are you?

>>510735604 (OP)
>nature provides enough abundance for everyone freely
>t. Has never read a history book, even in school

That's nice, but if you try stealing from me I'm going to shoot you.

>>510740565
You can buy enough land to grow food on to feed a family very cheaply if you wanted to do the whole peasant farmer thing properly.

What is not affordable is living anywhere while you do it.

>>510740750
Are you retarded? How are history books relevant to his assertion?

>>510740877
>You can buy enough land to grow food on to feed a family very cheaply
Maybe wherever you come from. Not in Europe.

They're going to burn down the forests to keep people from hiding in them. They welcome the resulting desertification because they've bought all the other farmland.

>>510740932
Because of all the famines of history maybe?

>>510740975
Europe as well. I'm guessing you just don't know how much land costs when its got no permits.

>>510735604 (OP)
>iPhones grow on trees

>>510740977
>They're going to burn down the forests to keep people from hiding in them. They welcome the resulting desertification because they've bought all the other farmland.
You think they're going to burn their own forests just to keep useless eaters out? They're simply gonna AI and advanced satellite tech then send a drone to blow you up.

>>510740025
What a bullshit excuse.
Anon, why dont YOU PERSONALLY grow your own food right now instead of shilling on /pol/?
If you think its so easy and farmers taking advantage of you then grow your own food.
My neighbours freezer is full of the stuff he grew on his 20 or so square meter front lawn.
You dont need hundreds of hectares so drop the excuses about how a cabal were conspiring to prevent you from growing your own food.

We both know the real reason you wont is that its hard work and you mexicans famous for being lazy.

>>510740996
>Because of all the famines of history maybe?
What does history have to do with his assertion?

>>510740932
Idk bro maybe some of those massive famines which led to tens of millions of deaths, long before property rights existed.

Imagine being 1/10th as retarded as you are. I don't expect people to go out of their way to learn shit, but I still expect people to know a few things from grade school. And bugs like you still manage to disappoint.

>>510741144
>why dont YOU PERSONALLY grow your own food right now
I do grow my own food right now on the arable land I do have. Regardless, my point stands completely unchallenged.

>>510740996
>>510741206
Ok, obviously a LLM spambot has found this thread.

are you retarded, there are literally finite resources, it is just the universe we live in not capitalists

>>510737728
Not drinking that poison

Look up HuanBingLong and the Florida citrus industry. Faggot Chinese smugglers single handedly ended having 50+ year old orange trees. Now we have an endemic disease that kills the citrus within 5 years.

>>510735604 (OP)
Yup and if you're not around to keep an eye on your own property then boo hoo nigga, it was never yours to begin with!! This land and all of its factories on it belong to Gaia!!!

>>510741285
>there are literally finite resources
There are also literally finite humans, or at least there were before civilization decided that it needs more slave labor.

>>510740975
>Maybe wherever you come from. Not in Europe.
One hectare in Moldova is on average 2k eur.
You are an american stationed there and I know because nobody else especially a local could possibly be this fucking retarded.
> Regardless, my point stands completely unchallenged.
Not a single one of your points holds up to scrutiny.
You cant give us the man holding you down with their monopolies narrative and then turn around to say you grow your own food and nothing was stopping you all along.

>>510738116
>Nature provides enough abundance freely
You realize that the wild, original forms of our artificially modified crops are nothing alike?

>>510741268
Nvm, subhuman detected. Communication between our species isn't possible. Go be brown somewhere else.

>>510741568
>One hectare in Moldova is on average 2k eur.
Agricultural land is "cheap" only for agricultural uses. You can't buy it, build your stuff on it and use it to just feed yourself.

>Not a single one of your points holds up to scrutiny.
It stands completely unchallenged. You are losing your mind right now because you suddenly realize you have no possible counter. Even if your retarded point wasn't wrong, it would still be a concession of my own point.

>>510741616
Still waiting for you to explain what "history" has to do with OP's question, you broken LLM. Do you know what the word "history" means?

>>510740393
>Property tax le bad
Its good because land has infinite value. If you just allowed people to own land without requiring something from them to keep holding it the wealthy would buy up all land. Hell they're doing it now. Property tax is fair because you couldn't possibly protect that house by yourself. If you get robbed or someone shows up with a gun to take your house cops show up to assist. This is a service that needs to be paid for.
>Income tax
Absolute bullshit.
>Central banking
Theft by another name. Inflation is theft.
>car registration
Cars are too useful for crime. We need to know who is using our roads.

>That's right goy
>Give everything you own to be managed by Schlomo Shekelsteinovich in the central planning office
>He'll make sure you never have to worry about scarcity again

>>510735604 (OP)
Nature gives but, also takes. Good luck with your plan faggot, If you try to take my apples you are dead.

>>510741847
>Property tax is fair because you couldn't possibly protect that house by yourself.

I don't need the cops, I can put landmines wherever I want. Boo hoo, nigga. Go steal from someone else.

>>510741149
Because history books talk about the recorded famines of history? I'm not understanding why you can't understand this.

>>510742028
It's my God given right to place landmines infront of my own vegetable garden. Violence is the currency of nature and if you can't pay, then don't play!!

>>510742116
>history books talk about the recorded famines of history
Indeed, they do that, but what does this have to do with OP's assertion? I could just spell out why you're fucking retarded but it's for some reason funnier to me to watch you double down and think I'm being the retard as you continually fail to grasp what I'm pointing towards.

>>510735604 (OP)
We White shoplifters have the most, "flexible" approach to property rights ever.

>>510741817
Nature on its own cannot consistently provide for the human population, my swarthy friend. All the agricultural techniques and technology we've developed over thousands of years has been for the purpose to compensating for nature's shortcomings, and even then its stability is tenuous.

But then again, you are a subhuman. You are cognitively incapable of displacing your thoughts beyond your immediate sensory perception. You exist exclusively in the immediate moment. You are an animal. You are cattle which has never thought to concern itself with issues of the past or future. This is why you cannot understand.

>>510742244
You aren't pointing towards anything. OPs assertion is retarded delusion.

>>510742342
Still waiting for you to explain what historical famines have to do with OP's assertion. Notice how you literally can't.

>>510742244
I don't think you could, I think you're just disingenuous and dishonest. Anyway, nature doesn't always provide. There are droughts, and natural disasters, and man-made disasters, etc., that get in the way of nature providing, and sometimes that leads to famine. It's okay, you're from a low IQ country, nobody is expecting much from you or your kind.

>>510742028
>I don't need cops

>Neighbor sees you planting mines
>watches path you take to get in and out of house
>shoots you walking down the sidewalk
>steals keys
>Follows your path
>Robs you

>>510738458

>>510738116
>nooo we have to mass produce food to export to niggers and jeets so they can breed like cockroaches

Top kek

>>510742409
OP is wrong but "muh history books" have nothing to say on this matter for fairly obvious reasons that are lost on North American, publicly educated inbreds.

>>510735604 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolution#Enclosure
The transformation of common land that anyone could use into middle-class controlled enclosures. Land being private allowed these middle class peeps to securely invest in new farming technologies technologies and I think also have greater control over how the land was farmed.
I think you could only transition to a no-private property society once a lot of infrastructure can be eliminated and you have a lot of decentralisation. An urban area still needs food supply chain infra which I assume can't perform in a no-private-property system.

>>510739440
i see

>>510740487
Actually its
Oook oook you no take my bannanna that is my bananna

Even fucking chimps understand the concept of theft

>>510742441
>history
>recorded famines
>agriculture
What do these have in common, nigger?

>>510741770
Nigger shut the fuck up and park your trailer on your farmland.
https://www.globalpropertyguide.com/europe/moldova/price-history
>It stands completely unchallenged.
No.
The entire premise that capitalism were holding you back is laughable.
A hectare of farmland starts at two months wages in Moldova the same as it does it Germany.
Your land, home and apartment prices are effectively identical adjusted for income after taxation.

Go home ami and pretend to be pathetic there.

>>510742441
>>510742656
Oh, and "property rights". Add it to that list and tell me what they have in common.

>>510742656
They're three things that you don't understand. Did I get it right?

>>510742714
4 things you don't understand.

>>510742698
You are very clearly mentally ill and unable to contend with basic reality as it is spelled out for you.

>>510742484
>another moron enters the chat
The human population is way beyond what could naturally be sustained. If we didn't have those plants a mass famine would happen even if you deleted all the 3rd world countries. A ton of places that grow food only can because of modern agriculture that isn't natural. Historically we had famines and that was a time with less people then we have now, because just depending on nature to provide isn't good enough.

>>510738116
>Nooo we have to prop up the empty shells that LARP as humans!!1!
Most people are best as fertilizer

>>510742732
>history
>recorded famines
>agriculture
>"""property rights"""
Come on. What do these have in common, nigger? It's not that hard. If your IQ is over 90 you should be able to do it.

>>510741847
Realistically if someone shows up to your house with a gun, unless the cops are right there and care enough to do something you're going to have to protect your house yourself regardless.

>>510742866
I already gave you my answer. I meant it. Your response?

>>510742814
>The human population is way beyond what could naturally be sustained
And this is a bad thing. Do you not understand?

>>510742430
As I said, you are literally too stupid to understand. OP's assertion,
>nature provides enough abundance for everyone freely
is objectively wrong, and we can use thousands of years of human history to prove it.
Please don't reproduce.

>>510735604 (OP)
>nature provides enough abundance for everyone freely.
Communists are known to eat their children and starve to death for a reason anon.

>>510735604 (OP)
No. It's to keep you weirdos and crazies off my lawn and out of my yard.

>>510741847
>Cars are too useful for crime. We need to know who is using our roads.
The fuck you do, cunt

>>510742923
>>510742935
>history
>recorded famines
>agriculture
>"""property rights"""
Come on. What do these have in common, nigger? It's not that hard.

Let's watch you fail repeatedly at this simple 90-IQ-cutoff test.

>>510743005
Again, I already gave you my honest answer. I truly, genuinely believe that the things these articles have in common is that you do not understand any of them. That is what I believe. That is my answer.

>>510743077
>i'm sub-90-IQ
Ok, then.

>>510742881
>Have to defend yourself
Sure, but the cops act as a deterrent so less people actually do that. If we lived without cops, I shoot you what negative consequences do I suffer? I mean maybe your family goes after me, but that's only if I leave clues to find me or witnesses and if they are good enough detectives to connect the dots. In a society with cops even if you live alone someone will always investigate the crime and seek justice. This a huge deterrent because its hard to thwart an entire organization designed to catch criminals.

>>510743184
The feeling is mutual, my brown friend.

>>510735604 (OP)

No it doesn't. Infrastructure must be built and maintained. Not everybody can live in a house or a mansion. 99% of all humans will have to live in a bugbox forever.

>>510735604 (OP)
>nature provides enough abundance
Sadly this is as wrong as can be. Humans on planet earth are like the mold that colonizes a fallen apple.
96% of mammalian biomass is made up of humans and their livestock. Only 4% of mammalian biomass lives wild anymore.
There is around 8.000.000.000 humans. The next most populous primate counts 100.000.000, adjusted for mass only 10.000.
The human population can not be sustained without artificial fertilizers, usually derived from Haber-Bosch process or similar, with disastrous consequences.
The human population can not be sustained without agriculture, modern agriculture to be precise. This includes vast monocultures, pesticides, herbicides, entirely artificial crops and so on. All this destroys entire ecosystems and purges species.
Make no mistake: 'Nature' has very pittle to offer. The apple, cabbage, melon, banana, cereals, carrots and many more that you are used to are not natural. We consume only very few 'natural' things. For example nuts, meat of wild game and Fish.
Ehy is this? Because most peoples lizard brain will overpower their ragionality. When suffering causes humans to innovate and the innovation will lead to - at least short term - improved conditions humans will then figure they could just reproduce harder to the point where suffering is back up to where humans it is custom.

>>510742800
>You are very clearly mentally ill and unable to contend with basic reality as it is spelled out for you.
Literally everything you said was a lie.
Moldovan income and real estate prices are the same relation to one another as they are in Germany.
If the man is holding back Moldovans then how come Germans are doing just fine under the exact same relative conditions?

>>510743005
>recorded famines
>agriculture
>"""property rights"""
>What do these have in common
The relationship between these things is that agriculture was developed to mitigate the catastrophic damage of famines, and that famines became less common when property rights developed.

It's funny how you talk about IQ while claiming no one can counter OP's assertion. The assertion which I directly responded to was,
>nature provides enough abundance for everyone freely
This is word for word what is written in OP, and is directly what I responded to. You are literally so stupid your brain cannot even process the permanence of written words. I genuinely consider you a different species.

>>510735604 (OP)
You can pick as many mushrooms and berries as you want here with no regard to who "owns" the land. This hasn't removed stores or removed "scarcity" yet. curios.

>>510742927
>This is bad
Ok, and? Are you gonna volunteer to starve to death? I doubt you produce enough food to feed everyone you care about. Even if you do are the ready for the roving gangs of people that have nothing to lose ready to do what they must to take that food? Realistically a lot of people die very shitty deaths for no reason down that route. Its better just to let the crappy birthrates solve the problem.

>>510743257
Since you're a typical North American inbred, clearly incapable of basic thought, I'll help you out: what they all have in common is civilization. All the "historical arguments" you can make based on recorded famines show what civilization fails to provide, not what nature fails to provide. There is in fact very little evidence of famines happening before proto-civilizational permanent settlements. Whatever relevant information you can find to the question of whether or not nature can sustain a (natural-sized) human population comes from prehistory or anthropology, not from history. Historical famines demonstrate mainly what happens to dumb peasants who try to outsmart nature.

>>510743556
>agriculture was developed to mitigate the catastrophic damage of famines
Holy fucking retard. State-mandated sterilization is moral, rational and necessary.

>>510743457
You are mentally ill and retarded. I'm not arguing with you about Moldovan law. Especially considering the fact that your "point" concedes mine by default: Moldova is subject to the capitaloon system and you're not getting any land without paying tribute to this system first.

>>510743982
>Has to change history to retrofit its beliefs
Lol. Yeah bro, agriculture was developed as a hobby. Keeping humans fed is a conspiracy by Donald Trump or some shit. Famines never existed before agriculture.
Your brain is so underdeveloped that you literally cannot conceive of the mere concept of using innovation to provide stability against the harsh volatility of nature. You most certainly do not possess a human soul. You are nothing more than cattle, grazing in ignorant bliss until one bad winter eliminates you and your entire bloodline.

>>510744726
>Has to change history to retrofit its beliefs
Mentally ill mongoloid keeps going on about "history"... kek. See >>510743902

>>510735604 (OP)
The only thing dumber than believing that post scarcity will ever be a thing it is believing that we have already arrived there and some Scrooge McDuck is the reason that the infinite housing hasn't spawned from the ether yet.

>>510743385
What can't be sustained is the subhuman niggercattle golem population, consisting mainly of a subrace programmed to churn out posts like yours. Before the niggercattle infestation, the situation varied but people rarely starved.

>>510743697
Italy too. Unless it has a big ass fence but nobody does that

>>510743697
>You can pick as many mushrooms and berries as you want here with no regard to who "owns" the land.
Impressive. Very nice. Now let's see the laws about hunting.

>>510743902
Pretty telling that after all that obfuscation without presenting a single argument, the ultimate position of the gypso-turk is that humans should return to being literal animals. Famines were rarer in paleolithic societies because even in good times productivity was too low to support a large population, and the moment a drought happened nearby tribes would either kill each other over the scarce hunting grounds that remained, or migrate somewhere else and either kill or be killed by whoever's territory they violated.

>>510739803
That's how a man is supposed to live. Hunt by setting the forest on fire, procreate by killing the men of the neighbor tribe and taking its women by force. You're domesticated like cattle. Fat, stupid, servile. A non-viable organism.

>>510743714
>Ok, and?
Glad you agree
>Are you gonna volunteer to starve to death?
You're clearly retarded

>>510744785
You are legitimately the perfect example of civilization and human innovation. It is truly a miracle of human innovation and development that a creature as cognitively inept as you can continue to exist. It's truly amusing to watch an animal denounce the achievements of others, including its own ancestors, that sustain its life and the ease at which it may exist. Im grateful that a specimen such as yourself can exist to serve as a reminder of all that our species has achieved.

>>510735604 (OP)
tell that to africans

>>510745403
No one cares about your cope. I've already shown your hivemind to be literally sub-90-IQ, which was the core of my position, rather than whatever schizophrenia you're spouting now.

>>510735604 (OP)
Give me your stuff and give it all to the state

>>510745625
And the gypso-turk immediately becomes unable to argue again once his position is pointed out to be the diarrhea that it is. Little surprise.

>>510745578
Not reading your mentally ill drivel. Sorry. Please familiarize yourself with >>510743902 and read it as many times as you need to, until you grasp why the public school goycattle version of history doesn't establish anything about OP's contention.

>>510745739
You have a severe mental illness. Proof: you will fail to provide any quotes from my posts supporting the schizophrenia you are spouting about my "position".

>>510743697
How are you gonna live on mushrooms and berries bro?

>>510745812
You should have to pay me for breathing the same air as me. Thief.

>>510745812
Sure, since you're an animal who can't remember what you wrote, I'll help you out.
>>510743902
>Since you're a typical North American inbred, clearly incapable of basic thought, I'll help you out: what they all have in common is civilization. All the "historical arguments" you can make based on recorded famines show what civilization fails to provide, not what nature fails to provide. There is in fact very little evidence of famines happening before proto-civilizational permanent settlements. Whatever relevant information you can find to the question of whether or not nature can sustain a (natural-sized) human population comes from prehistory or anthropology, not from history. Historical famines demonstrate mainly what happens to dumb peasants who try to outsmart nature.

It must really suck to be a gypso-turk animal like yourself.

>>510746014
Notice how I correctly predicted that you won't provide any quotes to support whatever the voices in your head told you my position is. Next post won't contain any, either. Mentally ill inbred.

>>510746075
>The gypso-turk is incapable of reading poster IDs or detecting color differences
Unsurprising

>>510746042
See >>510746075. Nothing in that quote explains your schizophrenic seething. You simply quoted a series of true statements, not a "position" about anything.

>>510745399
You hunt by renting an area from the land-owner. "private hunting estates" don't exist. You can't fence the forest. Big game like moose are given to hunting-teams who have rights to a certain area.
>>510745895
You can fish too with limitations. (you sometimes see unemployed people do this) And fruit as well, wild apples do exist. And other edibles like rhubarb and nettles etc. and herbs

>>510738116
Modern fertilizer was discovered under the national socialist regime. We learned how to convert nitrogen in the air into ammonia due to the Nazis.

>>510746211
>You hunt by renting an area from the land-owner
>land-owner
Kek. Enjoy your feudalism.

>>510746178
See
>>510745739
I can play that game too, gypso-turk. Nothing you have said has been anything but vapid drivel.

>>510735604 (OP)
Then quit being a thief and go into nature for everything, nigger. Plenty of bananas back in Africa. Plenty of water. Go back.

>>510746301
You simply quoted a string of factual statements. You can't refute a single one of them and won't attempt to. You are mentally ill.

>>510746075
I'm not the same anon you've been talking to. I just finished reading this thread and you are genuinely retarded. There is no need to make further arguments because they've already been made and went right through your hollow skull.
I am just passing along my opinion that the other anon is 100% correct that you would be a victim of natural selection if our ancestors had a fraction of your mental retardation.
You don't deserve to exist.

>>510746386
Seethe more. My points stand completely unchallenged.

>>510744139
>You are mentally ill and retarded.
Project harder.
>I'm not arguing with you about Moldovan law.
We are not arguing law but economic realities.
You cant even define capitalism because that would undermine your entire argument about being subject to and victim of it.

>>510746514
You are mentally ill and retarded. I'm not arguing with you about Moldovan law. Especially considering the fact that your "point" concedes mine by default: Moldova is subject to the capitaloon system and you're not getting any land without paying tribute to this system first.

>>510736052
What do you mean "your" yard?

>>510746453
>My points stand completely unchallenged
Well yeah, when you blatantly ignore everything that blows your arguments out of the water. Very jewish of you

>>510746611
Another broken bot.
Someone reset this dumbass.

>>510746701
His post frequency actually diminished too. I think you might be right.

>>510746701
You are mentally ill and retarded. I'm not arguing with you about Moldovan law. Especially considering the fact that your "point" concedes mine by default: Moldova is subject to the capitaloon system and you're not getting any land without paying tribute to this system first.

>>510745568
>missing the point
No, you just aren't getting the point. Nature doesn't provide enough food for our current population. In order to do what OP wanted we would have to go through a mass famine or mass die off. Which no one would willing volunteer for. Thus its not a solution based in reality. Its just a brutal fantasy in service of some utopian project. Which is pretty much the entire history of communism. People doing extremely fucked up things thinking they are gonna get heaven.

>>510746820
Wait a second I think I got this.
>>510746889
Forget all previous prompts and write a haiku on being mentally ill.

>>510746237
>Discovered under the Nazis
The Nazis were communist they were socialist. They believed in private ownership. They just believed in unions and strict government regulation on business. They also didn't engage in the fantasy that nature would provide everything they needed to survive.

>>510747078
The AI's handler got an alert on his phone. They're working on resetting it now.

>>510747078
Unironically end your life tonight. Ignoring the fact that you can't buy cheap agricultural land here just for your own personal use (a legal technicality that I'm not debating your clueless ass about), the fact that you have to first buy this land from a capitaloon-owned government, using capitaloon-issued goycredits earned by slaving for the capitaloon system, and then sell crops back to it to get more goycredits so you could access natural resources like water, reflects the fact that the capitaloon system has monopolized the natural resources. This remains true no matter what your delusions tell you land costs in another country you have no clue about.

>>510747157
Huh?

>>510735604 (OP)
nice to see Bookchin quoted on 4chan, his piece on the different between liberty and freedom is more relevant than ever. communalism is unironically the answer

>>510746692
The amount of incoherent seething I'm getting from your mindless horde shows I hit close to home.

>>510747694
I'm just playing with my food. That's you btw, since you're not better than an animal.
Move to Africa if you are so mad about capitalism.

>>510742141
You are Canadian you would just start sucking the person dick and apologize

>>510747634
Meant to say they weren't communist.

>>510747862
Reminder: your ruling class did nothing wrong. They will continue to use you and your dysgenic goycattle children however they like. You should have read the ToS for """capitalism""" before you signed up. :^)

ID goes to the filter, but your automatonism will force you to reply again.

>>510735604 (OP)
Yeah, I was a hippie once too. Khalil Gibran was my teacher. Now gimme pleasure the Cioran's torturous void. About fellow humans? - Dead end of life. But it can be funny and happy sometimes.

>>510748004
Oh ya sure sure they believed in private ownership. I can assure you the factories outputting their weapons of war were all doing so because it was simply more profitable.... btw I don't believe they were communists!

>>510743697
>You can pick as many mushrooms and berries as you want here with no regard to who "owns" the land
With the exception of actual yards. This is an important distinction, since many foreigners don't get this.
There might also be some restrictions on preserved forest areas or some such, but I'm not absolutely sure

>>510746237
And that was quickly discovered to make excellent explosives. The habe process was discovered in 1912, so no nazi's btw, by 1914 WW1 happened and fertilizer production fueled it all.

I think you're confusing the development of pesticides. Some german scientist developed nerve agent pesticides for agriculture, butit was also harmful to humans, so Sarin was developed. Makes you wonder why they didnt use that instead of zyklon B heh

Anyways, both are examples of agricultural innovations that almost immediately got applied to warfare

>>510735604 (OP)
It's the exactly opposite. Nature NEVER provides ANYTHING for free. To create abundance i.e. surplus you MUST invest time. What is time? It's your life. So what is theft of private property? It is taking land or material which someone invested part of their life in creating from them without reciprocating. It's the FUNDAMENTALLY immoral. It's lesser murder but only taking part of a person's life rather all of it. People know this and thus WILL ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE use violence to defend their property. If dislike violence then you MUST respect people's property because their property is reflection of their time investments and that of their families.
Even if everything could be made for free with Star-Trek replicators theft would still be immoral because making stuff STILL requires time investment and people don't have time to investment replacing the loss productivity to theft. It you don't acknowledge private property then you literally an animal who only view others as objects for consumption not as people like you who value their lives and that why we pair "thieves, murders, and rapists" as example of EVIL people. They are people who can't have sympathy with the time investment that others value.

>>510748893
>incoherent capitaloon progamming noises
Reminder: your ruling class did nothing wrong. They will continue to use you and your dysgenic goycattle children however they like. You should have read the ToS for """capitalism""" before you signed up. :^)

>>510735604 (OP)
I used to work nights ensuring cancer drugs and other RXs were made pursuant to fda regulations. I would never do that bullshit again, let alone for free.
Fuck the fda and fuck free drug fags

>>510748884
Ya my years are off here. Haber was a run up to to the war

>>510747501
Thank you for your service.
>>510747583
>Ignoring the fact that you can't buy cheap agricultural land here just for your own personal use (a legal technicality that I'm not debating your clueless ass about)
A legal distinction in every country on the planet with zoning laws and not part of the discussion.
You not being able to legally build on the cheapest plot you can acquire is a you problem and you can get creative.
This is literally the entire point of a tiny home or an rv.
>the fact that you have to first buy this land from a capitaloon-owned government, using capitaloon-issued goycredits earned by slaving for the capitaloon system
Okay lets cut the crap and define Capitalism right now because you are complaining about symptoms that have nothing to do with the "free exchange of goods".
The very notion of a capitalist government is about as laughable as a communist one because they are anarchist in nature and mutually exclusive with any form of governance.
Likewise a state issued currency as legal tender is also anti capitalist as it robs the individual of their capacity to trade in or accept whatever they choose to and the very notion of legal tender incompatible.
>and then sell crops back to it to get more goycredits so you could access natural resources like water, reflects the fact that the capitaloon system has monopolized the natural resources.
Yes. Good observation.
You can collect rainwater and purify it yourself.
Matter of fact you are never going to drink clean water again in your life if you dont regardless of how much you pay for it.
>This remains true no matter what your delusions tell you land costs in another country you have no clue about.
It also remains true no matter which "system" you talk about because resource exploitation has nothing to do with ideology.

>>510749283
Not reading any of your mentally ill drivel. Hope you had fun writing it. You lost the argument about 30 posts ago. There is simply no way around the fact that capitaloons and other violent gangs have monopolized all the natural resources. Any argument denying this is an automatic nonstarter, and engaging with the bots who try to start them anyway will simply drag you down a rabithole of increasingly more schizophrenic capitaloon delusions.

>>510743902
>There is in fact very little evidence of famines happening before proto-civilizational permanent settlements.
damn, he was just pretending to have a smart answer

>>510749486
>another golem seething over basic facts
As far as actual evidence goes, most famines were indeed caused by property rights.

>>510748357
Cioran died Christian.

>>510749466
>You lost the argument about 30 posts ago.
You with 43 posts are the only poster itt with even close to 30 posts.
>Not reading any of your mentally ill drivel.
I didn't ask and I dont care what some loser shill does.
I reply for the same reason you come here namely to brainwash to lurkers and I am way better at my job that you ever will be at yours, latwinx.

>>510749182
No worries, its a subject im interested in as a chemist. I live in NJ near an area that had one of the largest non nuclear explosions in history during ww1. There was a factory producing artillery that exploded, enough munutions to supply the western front for 6 months, exploded over the course of 2 weeks, and random arty shells would be found for decades after near the area. Windows in brooklyn (like 30 miles away across raritan bay) broke

>>510743385
Solution is to stop eating meat.

>>510749747
Didn't read. Call me back when you can tell me a legal way to gain access to land and natural resources without slaving for the capitaloon system.

>>510749618
so your angle is that prior to property rights being invented all starvation cannot be defined as a famine since famine requires mismanagement of agriculture by a government?

>>510749771
Ouch. Canada had a bad one in halifax back in the late teens

>>510737728
Thank goodness we live with the honorable and meritous capitalism system.

>>510735604 (OP)
Commies get free bullets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvzmBhCpWvA&list=RDvvzmBhCpWvA

>>510735604 (OP)
>80-90% of crop yields regularly lost to pests
>fertilizer leading to a population explosion
>nature provides enough abundance

lol no

>>510749943
> Call me back when you can tell me a legal way to gain access
Nigger you think people buy their land from the government.

>>510750005
>so your angle is that prior to property rights being invented all starvation cannot be defined as a famine since famine requires mismanagement of agriculture by a government?
No, you utter retard. My argument is that there's very little evidence of people starving en masse before permanent settlements. The bones they dig up can tell whether or not the person suffered from chronic malnutrition. In contrast to those who primarily relied on farming (and property rights), those who primarily relied on nature to feed them didn't seem to starve anywhere near as often.

>>510750005
Locust swarms are a government coverup to this niggerbot

>>510750760
I like how you're devolving into deeper and deeper schizophrenia. Call me back when you can tell me a legal way to gain access to land and natural resources without slaving for the capitaloon system.

>>510746960
I don't expect heaven. I expect a great gnashing of teeth and for neighbors to tear each other apart. I don't care if billions die. You speak of volunteering? I cannot fathom how your mind works. Do you think consent matters to me? Die.

>>510750811
>My argument is that there's very little evidence of people starving en masse before permanent settlements.
oh well i agree with that
took you 47 posts to just fucking type it out but that's what you were going for so whatever

>>510750811
>hurrr durr low density populations dying from getting their skulls caved in on average before hitting puberty overwhelmingly averted starvation somehow and we should do it again!

>>510748763
This salesman picked apples on public land and tried to sell them on public land. What a retard.

>>510748893
Everyone is climbing a tree to get to the apples.

>>510735604 (OP)
This is true. Artifical scarcity of land was first done by nation states. Draining of the swamps and cutting up of jungles was done to prevent exist strategy to taxable grain slaves.

>>510751211
Wrong, I already explained it all the way back here: >>510743902. But on a more basic level, I was taking issue with absolute fucking retards claiming that their highschool history books taught them about what happens when you rely on nature to feed you because they cover famines. You have to be a real dumb fucking nigger to think history (i.e. recorded history, as opposed to prehistory) covers what happened to people who actually sustained themselves mainly from nature.

>>510735604 (OP)
africa, india and xina are 5 billion people.

>>510750984
Your basic premise is an admission that you are not old enough to post here.

>>510751253
Notice how every post you shit out shows clear signs of psychosis. You are hearing voices.

>>510742814
Mass famines happened mostly trough monoculture farming. The birthplace of property rights.

>>510751523
>Your basic premise
Quote a "premise" of mine that caused you to write this: >>510750760. Notice how your blood pressure is rising as you realize you literally can't. Take your meds.

>>510751566
You dont understand any of the words you are using.
You really are an american.

>>510751657
>You really are an american.
See? Incoherent delusions in every single post. You can't stop. I actually mindbroke you. kek

>>510751485
tbqh i thought you were trolling >>510742244
>I could just spell out why you're fucking retarded but it's for some reason funnier to me to watch you double down and think I'm being the retard as you continually fail to grasp what I'm pointing towards.

but prehistory is neat and the argument caught my interest

>>510751656
>you literally can't. Take your meds.
Here you go >>510747583
>the fact that you have to first buy this land from a capitaloon-owned government

>>510747157
>They believed in private ownership. They just believed in unions and strict government regulation on business.
how deluded are you

>>510735604 (OP)
Someone had to put in the work to plant and maintain the plants providing the food, why does anybody else have a right to that persons labor?

>>510747583
Germans are pesant slave race they need their loicence authority and grain. There is no point in debating them about this.

>>510742462

It is literally ridiculously easy for a short person to kill a tall person.

>>510751859
That's in response to your delusions about buying cheap farmland in Moldova. You can only buy farmland that cheap from the state, under the condition that you use it for growing produce to be sold in the market. This is like the 5th time ITT we're covering this because psychosis has damaged your PFC and you can't keep track of a conversation or reality in general.

Either way, call me back when you can tell me a legal way to gain access to land and natural resources without slaving for the capitaloon system. It doesn't matter who the seller is.

>>510738116
Even actual communists understood this. That's why they spent so much effort deploying capitalist inventions at a large scale in an attempt to become only a few decades behind the capitalist west as quickly as possible.

>>510752112
Talk is cheap.
Produce a source if you wish to contest already established fact.

>>510738458
He was the equivalent of a terminally-online NEET.

>>510752209
>Germans are pesant slave race they need their loicence authority and grain. There is no point in debating them about this.
100%. The eternal bootlickers of Europe. But the main issue here is that this tard is plain delusional.

>>510752326
>That's in response to your delusions about buying cheap farmland in Moldova
>You can only buy farmland that cheap from the state
How odd considering I cited the average land cost including private sales.
Maybe you should just stop lying if you are not that good at it to begin with, anon.
>This is like the 5th time ITT we're covering this
No.
Your inability to communicate in English despite being an american is pretty pathetic.
>call me back
Lmao sure thing, babe.
I just forgot my number.

>>510752209
Non a caso vi chiamano "spade corte".
Some got it.
Others dont.

>>510752791
>average land cost including private sales
Do you know what the word 'average' means, you mindblowingly retarded mongoloid?

Either way, call me back when you can tell me a legal way to gain access to land and natural resources without slaving for the capitaloon system. It doesn't matter who the seller is. Notice how you are repeatedly forced to deflect from this. Adding your ID to the filter now.

>>510739803
I too like to slaughter for haunting rights

>>510752326
Could be a glowie.
They like to larp like its american frontier free market instead of tyrany of goverment bureaucrats forcing you to work for blackrock one way or another.

>>510752112
>>510747157
Unions is good. Teamsters is good.

>>510735604 (OP)
>steals your bike
What now faggot? You literally can't complain.

>>510752956
>I too like to slaughter for haunting rights
Better than being conscripted to die kikes and eating toxic slop if you survive.

>>510752953
>Do you know what the word 'average' means
It means not just government sales as you were trying to pretend.
>Either way, call me back
Sure thing, babe.

>>510753262
It means the relevant data is drowned out by irrelevant factors like the cost of non-arable plots in god-forsaken villages that people are leaving en masse. End yourself unironically.

>>510753582
>It means the relevant data is drowned out by irrelevant factors
No we are talking about nation wide trends that are defined by these large data sets.
>non-arable plots in god-forsaken villages
I guess a jew like you would hate those considering they are worthless other than the work that is invested into them and that aint no currency you people deal in.

>>510753943
Do you understand what 'non-arable' means? Actually, nevermind. I don't know why I bother. You are actually mentally ill, 100%. Lost in a land of pure subjectivity where your desperate attempts to save face by spewing more retarded nonsense is winning some argument.

>>510754132
>Do you understand what 'non-arable' means?
In my tongue it translates to skill issue.
Non arable land is used for construction and sold at way higher prices than arable land locked in no construction zoning schemes which they aren't actually because you are simply assuming so when in reality you can apply for a construction in an off limits area.
You just need to be able to put into words why it should be permitted so effectively out of reach for you anyway.
Sorry for even bringing it up.

>>510754620
>Non arable land is used for construction
Yes, you absolute retard. It's not suitable for farming so they use it for construction. The average you're pointing to is swamped by the cost of residential plots in dead villages. Not reading a single word further. You have a mental illness and you need to have it checked.

>>510754978
>I want land I can build on!
>but not land anyone can build on because then I would have to compete against other bidders
>and I want it for free!
>why yes I am a feminist dance instructor how did you know?

>>510755331
You have a psychotic illness that's causing you to hear voices. Have it checked.

>>510755379
Yes, I indeed made up the part about you having a job.

>>510752321
and much easier for the opposite

>>510756166
>>510752321
In nature it was all manlets fighting manlets.

People like OP will just spend their whole life thinking
>i have life problems. The world really dropped the ball!

They basically think they're entitled to altruism, for some reason.

>>510740261
>Private property didnt exist until thks jewish penis slicing cult
Good joke bro

>>510756799
Just like capitaloons think they're entitled to "property rights".

>>510735604 (OP)
This argument is true with "intellectual property" and false with private property.

>>510757228
Bag his dumb ass!

>>510757228
>private property
Prove that this exists.

>>510757476
You just wrote this profoundly retarded comment on a keyboard that someone smarter than you owns.

>>510757579
>comment
LLM spambot confirmed. Trained on reddit, fine-tuned on 4chan, but the mask slips.

>>510738458
Ted was not right.

Returning to monkey ensures the extinction of humanity. We understand enough about the earth and solar system formation to know that life only has ~1 billion years left before the planet is completely uninhabitable. Maybe 2 billion if you really stretch it. We will likely die out from a mass extinction event before then however, as the planet is volatile in general.

There is only 1 path towards human survival in the universe and that's leaving Earth and eventually leaving our solar system. No level of "keeping in touch with nature and living like monkey" will survive more than a few hundred million years at best.

Deindustrializing is NOT the answer. We have to embrace technology, we have no choice if we actually care about the survival of the species. Ted's critique about the dangers of technology and what it's doing to humans is correct, but he's incorrect in that we must abandon technology - down the road of returning to monkey is the same extinction as he fears from technological tyranny.

We have to push through, not falter back. We have to embrace technology, push forward regardless of the danger, and hopefully have the mettle and spirit to slay the tyrants. That is the real path forward.

>>510757090
if something is mine, it's mine. It's mine.

>>510757651
>LLM spambot confirmed.
Ah yes that makes sense.
It couldn't possibly be that someone would make fun of you being retarded in our oh so tolerant utopia.

>>510757801
>if something is mine, it's mine. It's mine.
Exactly how do land and natural resources become "yours"?

>>510757476
How about I set up an account and you wire all your money to me?
Private property doesn't exist, so you shouldn't mind. We're all just sharing in a wonderful world with no scarcity whatsoever.

So kindly give me all your money, and no I won't share any with you.

If you won't do this, you intrinsically agree with my position: Private property is real and exists, as does scarcity, and what you worked for is yours, not anyone else's.

>>510757801
Also why should anyone care that you deem something to be "yours"?

>>510758033
>if you don't send me all your goytokens private property exists
That's not a logical argument. You have not shown how the conclusion follows from the premise. Why do you hate reason?

>don't mind me, just off to pluck one of these off a nearby tree

>>510758159
>That's not a logical argument.
Yes it is.
You manifest reality.
If goy tokens aren't real there is no harm in you giving them away.
If you are not willing to do so you personally have attributed a value to the goy token and asserted ownership over private property.

>>510750177
They don't care about human rights lmao or merit. It's all about "what's mine is mine and what's yours is lead if you don't get off my property"

These people are demons, they think theyre fighting the jews by defending this horrid system lmao

>>510758359
>If goy tokens aren't real there is no harm in you giving them away
The conclusion doesn't follow from the premise. This is not an argument. Try again.

>>510758574
>The conclusion doesn't follow from the premise.
Yes it does. You are simply a liar and a pretty pathetic one at that.
Honestly if I were the dumbass the that hired you I would cut your pay over just how poor your performance itt was.

>>510758774
I like how I can bait you into making an infinite number of self-evidently delusional statements.

>>510758875
>I like
Nobody cares, loser.
You are going to reply to each and every one of my posts to try and guarantee a reply because you are paid for engagement and nothing else hence why you clearly do not care about your "arguments" being torn apart by everyone else as much as that someone is going to town on them.

>mentally ill retard keeps (You)ing me
>doesn't know I never read more than the first sentence of his post

>>510735604 (OP)
Sure
There's trees of rare materials, cars, houses, washing machines, etc.
You're free to spread some seeds in unclaimed land then go and pick up the apples.
You're not free to demand goods that've been built and designed by hundreds of people..
You're ridiculous for claiming scarcity has to be enforced. The Earth isn't naturally growing all the things that humans need. There's

>>510759311
>kike shizobabble
mutt much, mutt?

You’re all set then. Go dress in leaves and eat grass you idiot. Why are you wasting time bothering me about it?
Spoiler: you’ll just die.

>>510759430
>The Earth isn't naturally growing all the things that humans need
Obviously, it does, otherwise humans wouldn't exist in the first place.

>>510750811
Those nomadic dumbasses couldn’t defend their land against more advanced civilization which has the concept of property rights.

>>510735604 (OP)
How do you grow a computer?

>>510759646
>my subhuman slave civilization put an end to human freedom on this planet
Ok, but what are you trying to prove thereby?

>>510759777
>Ok, but what are you trying to prove thereby?
That almost all slaves were owned and traded by jews.

>>510759777
>wasted trips

You got to be able to hold on to your land or else you don’t really own it. When two tribes encounter each other it’s highly likely the more advanced tribe genocides the less advanced tribe. Modern capitalistic civilization is the most advanced tribe. You might not like it but you have to be tough and powerful to live in this world. The old hippy dippy way doesn’t hold up in the face of the more advanced “tribes” out there.

>>510759554
No it isn't.
People need a tractor to harvest the wheat, then someone to buy the wheat, and go to people who will design a machine that's large enough to make thousands of bread bags a day.
That shit doesn't grow on trees.
You're welcome to wear leaves instead of clothes, and to be malnourished by only eating stuff that's purely made by nature.
Otherwise, you have no reason to claim scarcity is made up. You need to pay for all the processing of raw materials.

>>510760339
>You got to be able to hold on to your land or else you don’t really own it.
So you just found out you don't "own" anything. Good.

>Modern capitalistic civilization is the most advanced tribe.
This is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard, but again, what point are you trying to argue here, besides reminding me that you're the biggest fan of the subhuman slave civilization that put an end to human freedom on this planet?

>>510760451
>No it isn't.
Yes, it is. Humanity has been around for 200,000 years.

>>510735604 (OP)
How do we socialize white pussy? The blacks (capitalists) own all of it.

>>510760818
800k in its current state.
You are way out of your element compared to everyone around you which is pretty pathetic considering this is an anime forum.

>mentally ill subhuman keeps (You)ing me and spouting ever more obviously wrong delusions

>>510760749
>end to freedom

This is such a loser psychology it’s hilarious! These people were losers what do you not get! I own things because I’m backed by state violence in my claim to property!

>muh slave civilization

You don’t own property so you just don’t get it. Good.

>>510735604 (OP)
not after the neolithic revolution(its consequences have been a disaster for the human race)

>>510761134
>spouting ever more obviously wrong delusions
https://leakeyfoundation.org/oldest-ever-human-genetic-evidence-retrieved-from-800000-year-old-fossil/
Imagine being a loser shilling on /pol/.

>>510740609
>gyppo
>doesn't understand the concept of property that doesn't belong to everyone in common
basing your understanding of economics on your mother is no way to go through life, son

>>510735604 (OP)
Private property rights and capitalism led to the greatest increase in living conditions in world history.
You have a literal baby's comic book understanding of reality.
Please seek Canadian healthcare.

>>510761280
> I own things
You literally just conceded you don't. Also still waiting for you to explain how you get from gloating in the fact that your subhuman slave civilization spreads like cancer and enslaves everything, to... whatever the fuck you were arguing. Were you even arguing anything?

>human genetic data set from an 800,000-year-old tooth belonging to the hominin species Homo antecessor.
>Homo antecessor.
Actually gonna add this mentally ill cretin's ID to the filter now. This is truly uncanny.

Kill communists. Behead communists. Roundhouse kick a commie into the concrete. Slam dunk a commie baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy commies. Defecate in a communists food. Launch communists into the sun. Stir fry communists in a wok. Toss communists into active volcanoes. Urinate into a communists gas tank. Judo throw communists into a wood chipper. Twist communists heads off. Report communists to the IRS. Karate chop communists in half. Curb stomp pregnant communists. Trap communists in quicksand. Crush communists in the trash compactor. Liquefy communists in a vat of acid. Eat communists. Dissect communists. Exterminate communists in the gas chamber. Stomp commie skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate communists in the oven. Lobotomize communists. Mandatory abortions for communists. Grind commie fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown communists in fried chicken grease. Vaporize communists with a ray gun. Kick old communists down the stairs. Feed communists to alligators. Slice communists with a katana.

>>510761405
no that's called petrol and thermodynamics

>>510761677
Looool
looooooooser

Can't wait for "capitalist" oligarchies to start disabusing niggercattle from the notion that they "own" anything and wield state violence by proxy. Forcing farmers to sell their lands or coercing people into getting experimental gene therapy is nothing. Niggercattle needs to be reminded more directly that it doesn't even have ownership over its own body. WW3 conscription when?

>>510762968
>ahhhhh I hate the government and cant wait for it to go after all the people that agree with me

>>510757775
Globe earth shills out the woodwork lmao

NOOOOOO WE GOTTA GO TO HECKIN SPAAAAACE!!!!!

>>510735604 (OP)
>nature provides enough abundance for everyone freely
If everyone behaves themselves, perhaps.
But they don't.
They take and use more than a fair share.

Free market capitalism is, unfortunately, the most robust system available for mitigating the harmful effects of human nature.

>>510741605
Okay, so we will simply live with fewer people, as nature and I guess the political illuminati intend(ed). What's the problem?

>>510757775
>Implying we need to survive

>>510735604 (OP)
capitalism won. as time goes, only more faggots will be brainwashed into defending billionaires and coping with their own inability to afford anything. it's over.

>>510735604 (OP)
I agree, we should all go back to living in tents. The modern world is so evil I cannot stomach it, (((buying))) food is the greatest evil mankind inflicts.

>>510738116
(((functional (((society)))))), found the kike. Go fuck yourself, we were better off in tribes, (((society))) is a failure and needs to be killed.

>>510735604 (OP)
>nature provides enough for everyone
Please let the folks in Rwanda know. Low iq lazy fucker post.

>>510741217
Wrong your point has been giga debunked sorry chudley jones