Is it some type of masochist fetish or like when some girls who like when boys treat them like crap which you enjoy? I saw a video once of some camp for masculinity and the leaders scream at the guys telling them they are pieces of shit and not worthy of anything yet they pay thousands of dollars to go there and become an "alpha male" Personally I don't pay attention to any of these influencers or YouTubers left or right so I am asking you guys why you enjoy being talked down to by the right wing influencer people in that way

>>510769713 (OP)

>leftists still don't realize they're the bad guys
lmfao

>>510769713 (OP)
>find a hobby, that will be focused on fags and trannies
>start celebrating whores and stop demanding monogamy
>you deserve nothing and will get nothing, but spend all your time trying so we can laugh at you

what leftist ever said that?

didn't they literally call Jordan Peterson the next Hitler for saying that?

fuck off with the lies

>>510769713 (OP)
Left >be a slave for Jews goy
Right >be a slave for Jews goy

>>510769713 (OP)
you started your thread with a strawman so I'm gonna ask you to fuck off.

>>510769713 (OP)
I am not doing any of that before circumcision reparations are made

>>510769713 (OP)
>I saw a video once of some camp for masculinity and the leaders scream at the guys telling them they are pieces of shit and not worthy of anything yet they pay thousands of dollars to go there and become an "alpha male"
Post it

Jeffrey Epstein and his boss Madame Maxwell operate an international blackmail ring on behalf of Israel, which is why our pedophile politicians all lick Bibi's taint.

>>510769713 (OP)
"Growing up" means allowing yourself to be exploited by at least one Jew, and it's usually implied -- 1 parasitic foid. Women aren't conscious sentient beings. Society is a goy plantation. Nietzsche is based. If you baghold for gay race communism, you're not a male. Simple as.

>>510769713 (OP)
Ngl the Right Wing Influencer is very convincing

>>510770276
>Nietzsche is based
Found the poison for the well

>>510769713 (OP)
I dont care about either side. I just want billions to die. The whole planet should explode.

>>510769713 (OP)
My hobbies are drinking beer and watching TV. So I do so I like. I'm also a millionaire.

>>510769713 (OP)
I'm voting for those who don't hate me and don't want to enslave me

>>510769713 (OP)
>I saw a video once of some camp for masculinity and the leaders scream at the guys telling them they are pieces of shit and not worthy of anything yet they pay thousands of dollars to go there and become an "alpha male"
First of all you're referring to a fucking movie. Second, the only place like that that exists is the military and they pay you.

A lot of right wing people in those areas don't have dads and low self esteem. That's why they took people like Jordan Peterson as a father figure for a long time

>>510770989
Bro nobody takes that drug addicted shabbos lolcow seriously

Because i dont accept random strawmans from retards

the left and right are two sides of the same shekel.

>>510771101
For a long time they absolutely did. For years. Don't pretend. You are even Canadian you know it

>>510770525
yo gib me some scratch mang, sheeeit

>>510770059
Here is one

https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1bqqslh/this_is_what_actually_happens_inside_the_18000_3/

>>510769713 (OP)
Because leftists celebrate weakness. Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying civilization. They want you to believe that technology is going to deliver you to an age of abundance and equality but that's how they seduced you into mouse utopia. You're all going to die instead, your bloodlines and family trees terminated forever. Funny innit.

>>510769713 (OP)
Here's the correct messaging:
FAR LEFT:
All whites and men must die. [maletears.jpg]

LEFT:
Fuck you men made the world shit, men are all monsters, you are all terrible it's HER turn, women are all wonderful and can do no wrong. We must fight the evil patriarchy still! Also give all your money to Israel, they totally need it because evil Nazis did a thing a century ago that you saved them from, so you totally are responsible for their care because your parents saved them from fascists.

CENTER:
Men are the worst, women most affected, please keep Israel afloat guys, they are our greatest ally.

RIGHT:
Quit being a little baby, clean your room, man up and die for Israel and give all your resources to women. Ban porn and vidya because we are retards who can't into cause and effect! Buy my supplements and survival pails. Praise Jesus!

"ALT RIGHT" GRIFTERS:
You are a pussy faggot who gets no bitches, sign up for my "Erryday I'm Husslin" course for $599.95 and I'll personally tell you how to get bitches and become Chad. Look at my social media for proof at how awesome I am!!!

FAR RIGHT / RED PILL:
It's not your fault. This is just how women in nature are, you aren't to blame. The silent generation of men fucked everyone over by granting women voting rights with no checks, then boomers took society out back and filled it full of holes while getting theirs. Shit is gonna collapse, and only then will the strong men be able to fix things. Get ready, prep, because shit is gonna get hard.

>I'll let you figure out who captures more men.

>>510771501
>They want you to believe that technology is going to deliver you to an age of abundance

I have never seen this said by leftist only by tech bros who are hardcore capitalist and wants technocratic feudalism. Thiel types

>>510771945
>Also give all your money to Israel

Even the Democrat party in itself is not pro Israel amongst its voters. People on the left especially are not wanting to give all the money to Israel. Pro Israel has become strictly a right wing boomer thing

>>510772273
Here is Republican

>>510770736
The military pays pennies for the shit they do to you.

And there are "camps", but really they are just glorified hotels where men isolate themselves to work out, eat well, and do whatever tech bro shit they consider "hustling". The camp itself of course is some dude's hustle. It's really just the male equivalent of retreats that women do. And yes, PUA hustlers still have seminar/camp shit they do for their marks to get soibois off their ass and talking to women. Though I can't see zoomers going to that shit (but maybe they do?).

And they do have fat camps for fat fucks to lose weight.

>>510769713 (OP)
Funny how they removed most women from said useful society

>>510772172
Imagine not knowing anything about the Open Conspiracy or Stanford Research International
>wew lad

Worse, I don't think you understand what judea is working so very diligently to accomplish with notions like memes > genes and "virtualize everything".

>>510772273
Democrats themselves are pro Israel, 100% approved by AIPAC. The NPCs that vote Democrat are not, they are programmed to be pro-brown people, so they side with Palestine because brown people trump rulers in cultural marxist doctrine. This means the messaging is pro-Israel from Democrats, but the Democrat voters will feel differently thanks to marxist programming.

So that means they WILL give all the money to Israel, even if it's against their personal interests. As well as lose their jobs/college spot for speaking out or protesting Israel.

>>510772438
You didn't counter with everything. The whole desire for automatization comes purely from venture capitalist types. Not from leftist

>>510772553
Moron. You're not even on my level.

>>510772611
You have nothing of substance to provide.

>>510769713 (OP)
both of those statements are identical but the latter is more straightforward and to the point

>>510769713 (OP)
He forgot the part where leftist "hobbies" have to be chosen from a safe list of the gayest most soul sucking exercises in virtue signaling faggotry possible and "start treating women like people" is some over arching ethos that permeates completely unrelated topics to the point where you have to consider their feelings when talking about men's health; it all just comes off like some desperate plea for a pity fuck. Instead of smugly typing shit online in an attempt to sway them to your side via shame you should look to WHY the chinless retard offering nothing besides harsh insults and masculine acceptance is mogging your message at every level.
>tldr
You aren't smart, you've just decided to suck your own dick in the hopes some women approve of the spectacle

>>510772810
>He forgot the part where leftist "hobbies" have to be chosen from a safe list of the gayest most soul sucking exercises in virtue signaling faggotry possible

I literally just watched a video of Nick Fuentes said going to the gym is gay and for homosexuals

>>510771945
The "real men" have the physical constitution of that of Nick Fuentes at best btw

>>510772882
>I literally just watched a seething fed shit his pants on stream
Okay? Still less gay than spending your whole life only able to express masculinty via craft beer, flannel shirts and bacon

>>510769713 (OP)

>Left: You need to grow up

Sure, sure.

>>510769713 (OP)
Red pedos at least deport illegals. All though if I thought blue pedos would actually stand up to Israel I’d vote for them instead.

>>510773073
your average millennial would molly wop your average zoomer

>>510773073
There is nothing manly about nick Fuentes

>>510773201
>my fag could beat your fag
Okay? If you still can't see why Spic Fuentes and Bottom G are mogging "just aspire to be homer simpson" you'll never understand

>>510772643
>hurr not all democrats want to give money to Israel
>you don't support democrats because you're irrational and dumb and we're smart, be jealous of us
You're yet another person who wants to blame "the rich," and "capitalism," and "oligarchy" for the same problem because you're so afflicted with moral cowardice that you refuse to research individuals guilty of specific crimes and instead retreat to "reforming the system".

You're literally a shabbos goy for the diaspora. You're so fuckin worthless that you've turned your fear of truth into a smug, quasi-religious sense of duty to conceal the crimes of your fellow travelers. You should be hanged as a traitor, not listened to considerately.

>>510773339
Andrew tate got rich off only fans degeneracy, scamming people and lives a life of complete vanity. I would absolutely not want a child of men to idolize that in anyway. He has the same ethics and morals as a hippy. Nothing about him is conservative

>>510773263
>spuc fuentes is not manly!
Are you brain damaged? That's never been the point. Spic Fuentes being a gay zoomer is still mogging the left's offering, instead of playing the smug clown for a crumb of pussy maybe try some introspection?

>>510773339
what?
>>510773432
every single rightiod out there is a turbo simp for Israel from argentina to brazil, hungary to the UK
you're just pissed off that crank realignment is happening and you can't be a le epic schizo anymore, it's normalfag NPC behavior from vtuber watching dweebs

>>510773432
Still haven't provided any proof that leftist are who promote automation. Tech bros are who promote in silicon valley who are the definition of capitalist.

>>510770989
>A lot of right wing people in those areas don't have dads and low self esteem
Alexa, show me antidepressant use by political affiliation
Alexa, show me which side celebrates single mothers

>>510773544
Nick Fuentes literally encourages pedophilia like with his friend Ali who he didn't care about soliciting little boys or Milo who he associated with for years. There is nothing to respect about him.

>>510773554
Except that they're not. Lots of right wingers idolize Rome, not Israel.

>>510773579
>automation
Fucking retard, I said virtualization. What are you, ESL? Can't you fuckin' read, idiot?

>>510773603
This didn't prove anything. Countless Jordan Peterson fans saw him as a father figure because they don't have one in their life. That's what they seek out for guidance. Someone to give them structure and moral advice because they don't have someone to give them it. A mother can't fit that role.

>>510773506
>grrrrrrrr Andrew tate BAD
Okay. I'm gonna type this reeeeeeal slow so you can understand. Tate and Fuentes being bad role models isn't and excuse for the left's offering to be even more dogshit. Hitting their followers with a smug jeer doesn't make up for the left's message of being and celebrating a weak faggot who will be hated by everyone around you, including yourself. Learn to read you subhuman.

>>510769713 (OP)
You're both faggots. However I have marginally more respect for the right leaning faggot because he's at least honest about how he feels.

The second choice is closer to masturbation fantasy so it sinks deeper

>>510769713 (OP)
The entire right wing is just loud retards leading quiet retards with no self-confidence.

That's it. That's the movement.

See: Trump and his voters.

>>510773737
You can mock it all you want there is nothing traditional about Andrew Tate. He would be laughed out of the room by the right 15 years ago. No one with such degeneracy would be associated with the right in any form.

>>510773662
And yet he is more popular amongst youth than whatever the left offers. You could have saved 10 million dollars crowd sourcing dumb cunts to attack the right's moral character and paid me 10 to tell you "be a weak fag" doesn't sell.

>>510769713 (OP)
>why do you like strawman?
I actually in fact don’t like strawman

>>510773877
Popularity is irrelevant substance is what matters. Cardi be has 160 million Instagram followers she's still a retard. You glamorize vanity and fame instead of actual values, tradition and morals. You have the view of a teenage girl in middle school talking about who is more popular

>>510769713 (OP)
>Why is the right wing one more appealing for you?
Because the left wing hates me and wants me dead for my skin color.

>>510773825
>why can't we beat Tate and Fuentes!?!?!
>is it our messaging?
>no! Clearly people just need to be told they're gay a few more times
Literally braindead, if you can't even begin to understand your target audience's motivations you might as well pack it in. This is embarassing at this point.

>>510773722
>This didn't prove anything
yeah it does
>Countless Jordan Peterson fans saw him as a father figure because they don't have one in their life. That's what they seek out for guidance.
and waaaaaaaaaaaaay more libtards get theirs from muh therapist who gets them on SSRIs. theres no right wing equivalent to troons, for instance.

>>510773999
Its the same in the end, the right wing praises you while stripping the flesh off your bones.

>>510774125
the rights way less gay about it, at least

>>510769713 (OP)
They're both fags, the rightoid just sounds less gay about it.
Define your own success and take what you need.
Don't listen to fags that tell you "if you don't x you aren't y".

>>510773992
The thread is about why people choose tate et al over whoever the left is pretending is cool this week. You pointing out water is wet in a vote where the majority says it's dry due to their hate of everything you stand for and them getting asshurt about it is amusing though.

>>510774225
*then getting asshurt

>>510774057
You clearly are coming off some perspective that I am some hyper leftist which I am not and are confused. What I am telling you is that Nick Fuentes or Andrew Tate being popular is irrelevant. They both promote complete degeneracy. Nick Fuentes with a lot of faggotry, hatred of manliness and pedophilia where he even encourages his fans to talk about rape and he clearly likes trans people. With Andrew Tate he is a guy who neglects his kids, gets rich off onlyfans and scams people. I rather follow religious figures or people with actual accomplishments in life with structure regardless of if popular or not. Popularity clearly matters to you a lot and follower counts for me it dosen't. I could read a book from the 1800s and how many people liked them is irrelevant to me. For you clearly you need to check a persons twitter follows to know if worth listening to

>>510774299
>I could read a book from the 1800s and how many people liked them is irrelevant to me.
They should give you a medal kek

>>510774070
Jordan Peterson is literally a psychologist. You are attacking the profession he is a part of in defense of him. You can't have it both ways.

>>510774183
Its not such a bad thing, most people look better as skeletons anyway

>>510774410
You just have to accustom yourself to the shock

Leftist is more like
>You're inferior to women in every conceivable way. You are the cause of all the problems in the world. You don't deserve to be loved. At best you should be a paypig for a woman while she fucks chad, but really you should just kill yourself.

Left: Be more of a woman and women will like you.
Right: Don't do that, be a man instead.

>>510774057
>Politics is a product and the customer is always right
Interesting take, at least

>>510774225
You are who focused on popularity as your defense not me.

>>510774522
The more virile a man is the more womanly he seems. Its just the final law of biology

>>510774739
So they are both stupid people whove never seen the real thing

>>510774531
>implying it's wrong
You give people the power to do as they please, and they'll take it. All the seething in the world doesn't matter in a democracy if you can't get the votes.
>>510774535
I don't really follow your schizo babble, you seem to think calling Fuentes and Tate gay will somehow sway people? It's a democracy, you win via votes not truth. And the bait the left is using nobody likes. Get better bait instead of jerking off in your own face about how smart you are while everyone votes against you. (This applies to "muh economic interest" wanking as well but you fags have yet to grasp that one either)

>>510774817
One side always lobs the ball to the other for the homerun.

>>510774817
I don't care about swaying anyone we are on a Japanese basket weaving forum. I am not a politician trying to win votes or gain followers on social media on my side. This isn't an attempt at a persuasive essay either. I am telling why I personally see them as terrible guidance for people with what I see and why I prefer other people. What you make of that is up to you. If what I wrote makes the more or less popular is irrelevant to me.

>>510774905
When only results matter, thats the inevitable game plan the elites will play

...

Its all stupid people who have never seen the real thing.

>>510769842
>"good guy" and "bad guy" framing for politics
ngmi

>>510774817
Also as I said earlier you clearly seem to have taken this as if I care about electoral politics telling me about "people voting against me" as if I am some type of party enthusiast or imply I am some leftist. You are very confused. You came at this conservation like a sports team where you need to defend your team instead of discuss the substance of these people. You are way too caught up in these online influencer figures and party politics to even be able to talk about these subjects

>>510769899
>insane projection
find a hobby that isnt focused on fags and trannies dumbass.

>>510771945
This. And very fitting digits too.

>>510774299
Lmao imagine typing this in a "why is the left losoling the culture war" thread. I'm not nor have I defended tate or fuentes' message. It's a simple observation that (as dogshit as it may be) it is more popular than what the left offers. The left and right offer you death, the right says they at least won't shame you for liking tits while they do it. Simple as. I think that should be sufficiently concise for an 1800's level of literacy.

>>510769713 (OP)
The twitter post just reads like that meme comic of the guy saying "I am silly" and acting retarded

Deeply 1pbtid thread
>inb4 2pbtid replying to this

>>510770276
>Nietzsche is based
>gay race communism
BAPoid detected.

>>510769713 (OP)
1pbtid but i'll bite anyways
i've never heard leftist talk about or to men like that. that is literally how ive seen right wing men talk to men.
grow up and get a hobby
>go to the gym and quit playing vidya
start treating women like people
>find a wife and put your dick in her
find a useful role in society
>cut your hair and get a job
i'm around a lot of leftist much to my growing disdain but most of them either bitch about what young men do and dont do through a feminist lens. demand that men just be submissive to their desires/interests.
like i haven't actually spoken to anybody to the left of me in a long time who had anything reasonable to say about men and masculinity.
BUT
there is some really strange cognitive dissonance about them saying and acting the above and wanting to be degraded in the bedroom. its weird and i dont understand it and ive quit fucking leftist women a long time ago despite it being fairly easy because im covered in tattoos lift frequently and obviously a mutt.

>>510775201
The thread isn't discussing character, it's discussing messaging. I repeat, do you have brain damage? The OP is clearly wondering why their message loses to the right's. The answer is simple, you are the only one here actually arguing about whether Tate and Fuentes are right or if either side maintains their morals once in power (they don't) maybe go make a thread for that? Or go ask grok, you seem to like screeching into the void about irrelevant e-celebs

>>510769713 (OP)
>1pbtid
Anyway, most young men don't give a fuck about cultural issues. Convince them that you'll do good for them economically, and then they'll vote for you.

>>510769713 (OP)
Everything the leftist says is a poisoned apple that's why.
>get a hobby
it will be invaded with holes and shitskins and you'll be forced to allow them to ruin it.
>start treating women like people
except they don't mean this because they won't hold them accountable which is why they were never treated as people to begin with.
>find a useful role
but only if it serves to allow shitkins and women to walk all over you and take your money through taxes.
>right wing
all of that is wrong and you should fight back against it.
which sounds more reasonable to you?

>this random spambot said don't believe your lying eyes the left secretly LOVES men
>p-pwease vote democrat? :3
the threads on this board are so stupid

A few things:

The GOP has been promising a return to the 1950's for 45 years, when I was a kid and Ronnie was president, but they only seem able to deliver tax cuts for billionaires.

A lot conservatives seem to be a bunch of mean spirited assholes who justify being assholes with their "conservatism". Here's the thing, making other people's lives worse (ripping apart the social safety net, firing a bunch of govt, works willy-nilly, etc.) isn't gong to make your life better. Also, times are hard enough, but a lot of people on here claim that things are "too easy" and it's created "weak men". Are you really trying to get people to follow by offering to make things worse?

Give me a fucking beak.

>>510771945
Pretty much. Only caveat I would add is that its possible that technology will deliver us from women in the form of AI, sex toys, sex robots, porn and artificial wombs but men have to embrace the technology and stop simping. Also legal hookers would be good too. Apparently most John's are married men who's wives wont put out so do the math on why women want to keep it expensive and illegal.
https://archive.org/details/the-rational-male-rollo-tomassi