Why do people still love big corpos so much? How do we stop using their products?

>>510869961 (OP)
These "people" you speak of are nigger cattle. They will NEVER take the steps toward digital freedom that Linux and GrapheneOS provide.

>>510869961 (OP)
whats this guys channel called sar, I forgot?

>>510870377
Checked, I like to dable but anything other than a browser app is a fools errand. However if SteamOS got serious I would probably not need a windows desktop outside of my AI machine.

WENDELL wAS RIGHT

>>510870381
Level1tech

I keep trying linux now and again. Its improved over recent years but still nowhere near ready for daily driving.

Pistol where?

Most people don't want a computer, never did, never will.
They want gadgets and appliances.

>>510869961 (OP)
It will never be the year of the linux desktop

>>510869961 (OP)
| chmod issues, like grouping rights is the issue.

>>510869961 (OP)
Liberty is not Linux.
Liberty is freedom from windows or apples.

>>510869961 (OP)
People?? Oh you mean NPC. Simple, they don't think. They just do as their told and consume without thinking

Big corps paired with small corps were always the way to go, small cops being people and big corps being for people not for profit only! Eventually.

But nope, we fuck everything up, always.

What should have been building and transitions is now poison.

>>510869961 (OP)
>How do we stop using their products?
install VirtualBox, VM Ware or any entry level virtual machine. create a VM with Linux OS. Practice using it until you feel confortable ebough to chuck Microsoft or MacOS

Stay in your lanes, windowcucks. We don't need more normies in Linux, it's already bad with Arch troons anyway.

>>510869961 (OP)
the same reason superior betamax lost to inferior VHS

>>510870377
That quote is ten years old and was in the era of Windows 7, so it made sense to say something like that.
In the current era of Windows, which wants to install a HR manager on your PC and have you pay out the ass for the privilege, it makes a lot less sense.

I didn't pay for windows 10. It's unlocked and I cleaned it up. Never had an error or a problem using it. People who say it's horrible are either retarded faggots or people who jerk their small dicks to all the CP they have downloaded(which would also explain all the fat fuck nonces on here gooning to the thought the release of the Epstein files). You're all pedos and troons. Go back to pretending to be a woman and some hacker man on arch and stfu already. If some people prefer it and think it's not compromised (top fucking kek, it's your hardware you dumb niggers, but Linux is as fucked as any other OS barring the great TempleOS) you're a retarded dipshit.

>>510870381
Chud Syndicate

>>510871278
Porn?

>>510871522
Fucking kek. Checked as well. You Aussies are alright.

>>510869961 (OP)
Because big corpos used to make good products. Maybe that's changing, but for now Windows is still the only OS you can actually use.

>>510871646
Indeed. DOS was awesome. XP and 7 are still goated but I have never had an issue with 10. The problem is the hardware. I mean if some kike Intel agency is monitoring me I'm not worried about my PC because I fucking post on this shithole which is 100 times worse, kek. Oh, fuck winjeet 11, that shit is a slow laggy nightmare.

>>510870327
Graphene is shit. It only runs on Google phones. Ironic.

Fuck your honeypot OS

>>510869961 (OP)
the simple answer is that Linux isn't good and never was. It's a niche which a bunch of jobless retards who live in their basement try to push as the next holy grail for humanity, but once you actually go down to using it not as an OS but as a tool to progress with your actual life - it's absolute trash.

It's same as comparing a 3d-printed gun to a glock. Can you 3d-print a gun? Sure. Will it work? Only if you put enough effort into it? Is it freedom affirming? Yes.
But when put into a real death-or-life fight, will you chose it over a glock? No.

>>510872094
>winjeet 11
It's not too bad if it's debloated, and you use a local account, but it's illogical, and things are hidden for some reason.
>go to settings>power to change the power settings
>the setting I want isn't there
>have to go to control panel anyway

>>510869961 (OP)
I just want shit to work and not rewrite stuff in a kernel or download a million different updates and patches, that is coming from a rather ignorant perspective.

If you want mass appeal, you must appeal to the masses.

Everything I use is plug and play
Every time someone tells me Linux is easy they type out a flow chart

>>510869961 (OP)
because people don't make (or update) software for Debian. because anything apart from Ubuntu or Mint is too hard for your average npc. because Ubuntu and Mint are fucking crashing more than Windows. because Arch is lego for autistic adults that think they're smart (protip: you're NOT). because Fedora (and some other versions) are corporate slop anyway (and please, don't use those hats. please.) because almost every piece of software is fucking shit anyway, so people just use something that won't give them too much of a headache. because people that are really working with tech just use either Windows or Linux whenever it is more convenient for the task at hand, because being a purist is dumb. because even Steam crashes when you use it in the most user-friendly Linux versions, which is unbelievably retarded.

>>510872522
Let me explain that to you a bit, me and my brothers dug out shit from the trash to sell it on a "computerbörse" to buy new parts for a pc. If you ever had win 95 and tried to make a random networkscard with 10mbits per second work you know what i m talking about. I m too old for this shit, i dont share the ideology i dont want to be a part of your group. I just want to boot my pc play some video games jerk off to some porn and make money playing poker.

>>510870327
>GrapheneOS
comped. backdoored more than a guy in nsync

>>510869961 (OP)
it requires you to type in the console I did that in MS DOS they are 30 years behind ease of use

>>510870377
This guy has no idea what Linux is.

>>510872829

>>510872829
The Linux console has been ahead of your trashy Windows at least 30 years. At one point Microsoft had to create "PowerShell" because the advantage that a Linux shell had over Windows was too obvious. It doesn't take a 3 digit IQ use a shell. Besides, Linux desktop environments are as good as your shiny Windows and the console is only for expert level stuff, you can manage your system from the GUI if you are a boomer who cannot remember ls or cd.

>>510869961 (OP)
I’m a frequent Linux user and I just bought a MacBook. I couldn’t figure out how to change the time zone manually after unchecking the automatic option. I hit the dropdown for locations, and it only showed those in my time zone. It turns out that you can just type any city on earth and it will set your time zone to that of the location you wrote: no dropdown or searching for pre-defined options necessary. I have such Stockholm syndrome from Win/Linux that I didn’t even imagine it could be that convenient.
That’s why normalcattle will never switch: they just want the thing to take care of everything for them.

>>510869961 (OP)
>>510870327
imagine hating jews and indians but still using microsoft.
ultimate slaves.

>>510870956
lol stfu jew. show flag.

switch to Linux Mint and stop subsidising jeets with your Windows license fee + data.

>>510873098
All this doesn't matter if it's impossible to use. Fact of the matter is that desktop Linux is made by engineers for engineers.... and you can tell. I've worked with lawyers, doctors, computer scientists, etc. etc. and I legit had to question if computer scientists/engineers were even human. I've never been around a more awkward weird group of people.

>>510870327
true. back in the days we had no google etc. now they get everything and yet are unable to use a fucking search engine. running linux or grapheneOS, even if it plug and play already, is too "complicated" for them. ridicolous. it never was easier but still... they are too retarded.

>>510872772
It’s open-source. Point out the back door.

>>510869961 (OP)
I keep thinking "man linux looks cool. I'd love to drop windows but I'm a retard. I'll wait for the enthusiasts to deliver a truly plug and play version." I've been waiting most of my life now and it never happened.

t. sad retard

it just works.

>>510870377
fpbp

>>510869961 (OP)
Path of least resistance. Most people simply don't know anything about computers and just want something that works out of the box, so they go to the nearest store and buy whatever the vendor tells them to buy.
Asking random joe to format his drive and install another OS on their newly bought computer is like asking same random joe to change the engine of his newly bought car.

>>510871278
and hd dvd to bluray

linux is shit

>>510873273
This btw. Most people just use whatever is there out of the box. They don't even care to update it themselves.
These people are what I call a typical goy cattle. And they make up like 90% of the entire population. And this is why humanity deserve to die out.

>>510871278
>>510873277
Steve Jobbs ?

once the shit I need stops working on win10 and the only solution is win11, I'm switching to linux and never looking back.
If someone is working on an alternative to premiere and after effects, now is the time to put the pedal to the metal.

>>510870956
It's been ready for daily driving for the average computer user for like a decade at this point. It's usable for 95% of even gamers these days because of valve's work with the steam deck and proton. The only use case it's still wholly unsuitable for is professional shit that relies on microsoft enterprise software. Outside of that linux is an almost seamless swap for the average non poweruser.

>>510873182
Low IQ and the inability to learn is not my problem.

>>510873434
Retarded normies are everyone's problem.

>>510870377
Yeah Linux tech support is on the level "lol git gud" or "you should learn to use the tools before using them" if you are lucky.

>want to play game in Jewcrosoft Windows
>install graphics drivers
>install game
>play
>want to play game on Linux variant 15r1 micro dick mint faggot hat version 6.3
>20 fucking steps
>game runs like shit
>dual boot windows instead
>play game
Linux is meant for nerds who will spend hours fixing a problem that won't exist on windows. Yes i hate windows and it's jewish but there is no better option.

i use windows 7 it works good

>>510873229
>open-source
lol @ people who still think this means safer after the vault 7 leaks where nearly every backdoor the glowniggers had been using were in open source software

>>510869961 (OP)
Because it's useless for professional work... A good example is music... Absolutely worthless for anything more than basic editing

>>510873434
Actually engineers just make things extra hard for no reason. A lot of things they do can be solved by one button.

Understanding human psychology is far more difficult than engineering.

>>510873595
It's not that it can't. The amount of steps required to make the software work correctly is not worth the time for 99,99% of people who own a PC. This is for most of Linux. The people who use Linux host servers or are programmers. There is no reason to use Linux for anything else really, and it's just a hassle. Most Linux users are using it because it thinks it makes them sound cool. They are just tremendous faggots.

IMAGINE pay for a windows licence lol

Just give me two or three actual reasons why I should switch, instead of the usual schizo babble.
I tried Mint for about two hours. I stopped the first time I had to interact with "the console". It's not fucking 1990 anymore. I plan on switching to Linux but so far it's rather annoying than beneficial.
The only real benefit I recognize so far is the fact that you don't need an anti-virus software running constantly in the background.

>>510873595
>A good example is music... Absolutely worthless for anything more than basic editing
Video editing I could see with how gay adobe is on linux but music? Linux is way better than windows has ever been for music production for the way it addresses USB devices alone. It's obviously not as good for software compatibility as Mac but if we're talking linux vs windows it's not even close.

>>510869961 (OP)
Because I'm not learning an entire coding language just to install a file. Sometimes it's just better to pay for a convenience.

>>510873273
Bingo. It's this. Most people have a computer and will use it for nothing but browsing the Internet and writing a document or two. My corporate IT guy brother has given our boomer mother laptops that were destined for the scrap pile, which all run some flavor of linux, and she can't tell the difference. All she has to do is know which icons to click to get a browser with a search bar.

>>510870377
>gotcha quote that is 10 years out of date
Congratulations, you posted it again.

>>510873729
What did you need the console for?
I don't think I've *had* to use it yet.
It's just a faster way to do things in some cases.

>>510872950
I played that

>>510873729
Learn to use the console, dummy. You live in an age where LLMs can spit out a usable shell script for doing all kinds of batch processing that would take you hours with a GUI.

>>510870377
This. I tried it. KDE Linux. I can't rename a fuckin disk without using command line. Which I have to fucking look up wasting 5 minutes. When I could've done it in 10 seconds in windows or mac

I dont care
Im not interested in learning about this
I like the simplicity of whatever os the device comes with out of the box

>>510873698
Video is more complicated than audio, and the main commercial alternative to After Effects is available for Linux.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/

>>510874011
So I have to use an AI just to look up something when a well designed UI could of done the job without effort? Linux are for neckbeards

>>510873729
>I had to interact with "the console"

My only response to your nigger behaviour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikod2fONH0Q

>>510874034
Have you tried not being a retard?
https://www.reallinuxuser.com/how-to-simply-change-the-name-of-your-hard-drive-in-linux/

Linux
>Yeah mess around with config files and gpu drivers for 5 hours only for the video to look like shit

Windows
>Oh you moved the mpc-hc window to a tv with HDR and Dolby Vision? Let me automatically adjust the image quality for you :)

>>510873769
I don't think people want to run music programs on wine. Sounds like a disaster incoming.
Wouldn't be surprised if Apple and Microsoft had agreements to keep the software from releasing on Linux.

>>510870327
Terry Davis did claim Linus Torvalds was an Ovaltine Spooge drinking Nigger fucker by the way

>>510869961 (OP)
My autist friend uses linux and spends half his time on his pc trying to figure out why things aren't working

>>510870377
Despite his couple of accomplishments, Jamie Zawinski is a petulant toddler. He blocked me and many others on social media for politely (actually politely!) disagreeing with him on something. Sort of taints XScreenSaver. I guess when you've got Tech Bubble Zero level money you don't have to be a reasonable person to anyone anymore.

>>510874100
Click the same sequence of buttons a thousand times then, brainlet. Actual smart people don't have to waste all that time. Haha.

>>510869961 (OP)
Because it's inconvenient. Sure it may technically be better somehow but you really underestimate the average guy. If theres an easier, quicker way, people will choose that. And the fact that Windows has been a household name for decades, of course people will just stick with it. The average person doesn't care about security or the nitty gritty details, they just want something that works.

>>510874318
My c++ programmer coworkers are the same. Even something simple like renaming a variable takes them forever

>>510869961 (OP)
Make better products.
Faggot.

>"B-b-but i am already pretending to!"
Stop pretending, if it's better it wins, if it's not winning it isn't better.
"Better" is not something with limited dimensions, tunnelvision on one way in which it might be better is countereffective and retarded.

>>510870377
As true today as it was back then
Linux hasn't budged an inch in anything important, and has actually been harder to keep working without issue than it was back when I first ran ubuntu 11.whatever.

It is just not ever going to be more than a toy operating system. If it was gonna happen it would've by now.

30+ years of this shit

>>510873698
>There is no reason to use Linux for anything else really
win11 was made solely by shitskin jeets and AI
linux is made by white people in their free time
and you say there is no reason?

>>510873962
>>510874011
>>510874121
Ok, so far: zero arguments in favor of switching to Linux. Just the usual "learn to code lol"

>>510874545
Real white men write their own compiler, Linus Torvalds is a nigger

>>510874565
Pajeets can manage copy and pasting code snippets why can't you?

>>510874625
ok but we're talking about something you can actually use, not closed circuit schizophrenia simulators

ITT: Tech illiteracy.

>>510873729
>mint
>needing to use the command line
What the fuck could someone who's too uncomfortable with console/cmd to want to learn to use it possibly be doing that would require use of the console in mint?

>>510874410
Microsoft pays literally billions to computer manufactures to install windows on their device.
And because of that software makers make their softwares for it. And the loop continues.
This is why windows is popular. There is no other reason.
Its certainly not convenience.

>>510874629
Because we have better things to do like take our monster trucks to the swimming hole and watch the chicks swim naked. All they have is street shitting and raping.

>>510873434
I find it's actually the software devs who are low IQ

Even grok can write code, but you can't come close to understanding the theory of mind of other people. Which is a fundamental necessity for creating genuinely good software. UI isn't supposed to be an afterthought, it's a core element of your program.

Test

>>510874709
I wish. Most Americans are corporate slaves who'd rather mow their lawns and watch Netflix.

>>510873729
Not dealing with shit like xbox gamebar, forced updates, windows uploading files to one drive and deleting files after that, windows fucking with documents folder etc, etc
But if you are coprofilic masochist feel free to continue using this piece of shit.

>>510874565
>using the konsole is the equivalent of learning to code

NGMI.

>>510869961 (OP)
its easier
most people don't care that much. they want something simple and easy that works. and status. the status of owning a linux is being associated with neckbeards, spergs and pdfs
and if you're a gamer and gaming on linux you are a literal dumbass and have to hop through so many hoops to play a fraction of games developed for windows

>>510874529
All LINUX distros and you use the ooga booga, poop color one. Nigalinux. H8 it.

>>510873729
I remember my first time using KDE and all files/folders opened with a single click, so I was right off the bat accidentally opening stuff I just wanted to move around or select.

It's the sort of thing that just leaves you flabbergasted. How could someone be so fucking stupid that they think this is the better way of doing things? Then it gets worse and you find them defending the utter retardation they've come up with and it takes 10 years for whatever stupid shit they cobbled together to finally get torn down and replaced by something that works. Gnome in particular is bad for that. I think there was a time (or maybe it's even still like this) where you couldn't touch anything on the desktop. You couldn't view any files there, everything was hidden by default, because apparently, some typical low IQ retard programmer felt that the desktop ought to be clean and everyone is just "doing it wrong"

e.g.
>Having icons on the desktop is bad for general file organization because you're not taking advantage of dedicated folders like Pictures, Videos, Documents [...]

this kind of retarded shit is replete throughout linux. "I know better than you about how you want to use your computer". Ironically many linux retard devs have gone full circle to acting more like microsoft than even microsoft does.

>>510874734
Holy shit you're dumb. If I write a code library I have to build an API for other programmers. The "I" for API and the "I" for GUI is the same "Interface". One is graphical and one is linguistic. Each can either be a pleasure to work with or absolute hell. Designing either requires understanding "the theory of mind of other people", you absolute brainlet.

>>510869961 (OP)
Linux is fully controlled by large corporations.

>>510875032

>>510869961 (OP)
>If Linux is so good...why don't more people use it.
If Mclaren make good formula 1 cars how come more people don't drive them?

>>510874823
>and status. the status of owning a linux is being associated with neckbeards, spergs and pdfs
do people in norway really care what OS you have installed on your PC?

>>510869961 (OP)
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

>>510875129
This is your brain on linux.

>>510875129
I kinda find this boring but mclaren sounds like a household name.

>>510874784
>Not dealing with shit like xbox gamebar
I don't even know what an xbox looks like, never had this problem
>forced updates
What do people even mean by this? You mean Windows ending it's support for your current version? Yeah that's bad, but don't you have to update Linux as well?
>windows uploading files to one drive and deleting files after that
Who the fuck uses a cloud service?
>windows fucking with documents folder
Like how?

>>510870956
It's not a polished and not all software works with it, but it's definitely ready for daily driving. I've been daily driving it since November and dual boot windows maybe once every couple of months.

>>510875212
However in germany ralf schumacher is all of our prayers. I dunno what these prayers consist of though.

>>510869961 (OP)
Convenience.
Big corpo products make things that just werk. Boil things down to simple buttons.
All that intrusive shit? Well it's packaged as convenient features, "smart" features.
The redpill about people is they will trade away privacy and freedom for convenience and "safety".

Nobody gives a fuck about their rights.
Nobody gives a fuck about their privacy.
Nobody gives a fuck about owning anything.
So long as it doesn't interfere with stuffing food in their face and allowing them to engage in their slop entertainment.

>>510874034
I never wanted to rename a disk but it took me 30s to figure that one out without looking anything up online.

>>510870377
I switched 10 years ago and this quote has aged poorly. If you just wanna browse the internet, read mails and do some basic writing you might as well use Linux. It's much easier, too.

>>510873415
>for like a decade
more like two decades, desu

>>510874784
It's great getting rid of all that crap on linux

but in exchange you get even more crap to deal with and more bullshit causing headaches. It takes 10 seconds to uninstall, delete, or disable 99% of microsoft's garbage, and hours upon hours to solve the problems you run into on linux (if you can even solve them)

For example I've got some retarded "update now" nagging bullshit in my current KDE install and no clear way to tell it to fuck off. I'm just permanently stuck with it like this unless I waste at least 30 minutes of my time researching how to tell KDE to fuck off with their update notifications. That's just how linux always is. Meanwhile on windows I can practically just accidentally find the off button for most of their retard shit.

>>510872772
source?

>>510870377
I didnt include that you can suck my pp.

>>510869961 (OP)
I equally distrust an OS that grabs updates from "wherever" in the cloud after typing in a few words.
But with Windows going mandatory subscription only and looking like it'll be unhackable, I guess that will be the only reasonable option left.

>>510874703
It is convenience. The average normie isn't going to bother with Linux. Its always been and always will be an autist thing.

>>510875134
yes. not considering desktops of course. most normies only own laptops and those are normally apple/macs.

>>510875564
Windows will be hackable. Besides, Linux doesn't grab shit from "wherever". You specify the mirrors and repos when you install a distribution.

>>510875765
Arch literally just had a bunch of malware found in their repos

>>510869961 (OP)
The big corporations sent trannies into FOSS projects to destroy them from within using CoC (Code of Conduct). Open Source used to be extremely apolitical but then the tranny army showed up right around the time corporations like Microsoft decided to "embrace" FOSS.
Coincidence? We all know there's no such thing. Big corporations saw open source as a threat for a while, then they realized if they could get their agents to seize control, they could direct the projects in whatever direction they wanted. Don't like it? Well, there's a CoC violation somewhere with your name on it, even if they have to dig into your third grade yearbook to find it.

>>510875564
>But with Windows going mandatory subscription only
First good point, this would actually be a reason to switch.

>>510875639
Correct. What I'm saying is, if llnux was installed by default on computers then normies wouldn't bother to install windows on it either.

The average normalfag already finds Windows difficult enough to use if they need to do anything besides office work or gayming. OP's endevour is fruitless since ising Linux would be even more difficult for them.

>>510875837
Ironic when trannies are harming their own COC

>>510869961 (OP)
If you know anything about normal fags they literally will not do something outside of the box unless you stand in their rooms, and guide their hands to do it for them.
>complain about ads on YouTube
>ok just use adblocker
>insert piss poor excuse for why not
>Netflix took off my show
>ok here's stremio, or better yet, torrents
>viruses, muh isp
Getting someone who isn't already sort of tuned to trying out new things to switch to even mint just isn't going to happen. It only frustrates my in the case of my parents because they pay hundreds of dollars for cable for almost no reason. Everyone else i just learned to stay happy that they outright refuse to even try because it means there's less cat and mouse for me on certain things and I don't have people asking me inane questions that they could search for. They don't have the facilities to play around with shit on a computer doing something they don't fully understand and spending a day and a half unfucking their computer and coming out more knowledgeable on the other side

>>510875830
ok sar

>>510876112
Instead of watching superior fansub anime on pirating sites they will pay a goysxription on Netflix and Crunchyroll to see subpar woke dub anime, pathetic!

>>510869961 (OP)
Corporations don't use open source and love windows because of legal liability, they have no vendor to blame

>>510871272
>>510870327
Keep the low IQ out of Linux, they don't belong to our nation. Linux is for nerds

>>510870377
Still cracks me up that people that a class of people who spend 8+ hours a day on a computer have panic attacks over CLI and entering into BIOS

>>510875639
>>510875684
Normies use whatever is packaged with the product they buy.
If laptops and desktops were sold with Linux on them you'd see a lot more use of it.
>But that happens
You have to dig and find it basically in a special circumstance. The big brands that sell in physical stores never have them displayed and on websites you have to dig. Any others that only sell Linux on their machines are esoteric brands.

>>510869961 (OP)
>>510870327
Dude Linux fucking sucks you trannies can't even pick a good kernel to build off of let alone a DE
Linux is good, even AMAZING as serverware but for the average user it still has too many issues with dependency hell that no one wants to go through.

How to use Linux, how to install software, what is hardware or software is compatible, what software is actually complete, what competes with big box software packages, isn’t readily apparent. It’s a design mistake. I’d rather pay more for a complete product, than have mish-mash system I’m unsure how to use.

>>510875837
>OMG did you really use the term white-list! OMG master-branch reeeeeeeeee! How dare you, xir!
Yup, I saw Github go gay just before Microsoft bought them out.

>>510876344
>dependency hell
literally not an issue on non-retard distros

>>510870956
It's great for daily driving if you're doing general stuff, programming, gaming. Anything specialised outside of that and it falls flat on its face, music & sound production being the worst.

>>510871278
>the same reason superior betamax lost to inferior VHS
VHS could record a full sportsball game while betacucks couldn't?

>>510876401
>music & sound production
i didn't know 6 billion windows users use windows to produce sound and music

>>510876396
Give me a list of non-retard OSes cause I'm pretty sure I've heard of it happening in arch as well

>>510876475
slackware
arch
debian

This 3 is all you need.

>>510870377
spbp

>>510876112
Most people just have a general aversion to learning and prefer the comfort of learned helplessness. My dad complains about things going wrong on his computer (windows) or that things keep changing (he recently got a new laptop with W11, all his previous stuff ran W10). I could install mint for him, but then I'd be babysitting him even more than usual.
I can't be bothered to be free tech support simply because I'm willing to Google the answers and they're not. Gotta learn to let them go.

>>510875837
EU has passed laws against open source AI so American corporations can sell them software

Imagine being so cucked

>>510869961 (OP)
There needs to be a convenient alternative. I mostly use a computer to look at the internet, play videos, and play games. Linux is too fragmented, if I ask three different people to recommend a flavour of Linux, I'll get three different answers, all of which will involve jumping through some hoops to get things even vaguely working. If this steam os thing becomes compatible with most modern games, that'll take care of 90% of PC users, but there's always going to be some hurdle for everyone else.

>>510876494
I'll take a better look into those cause I've heard mixed shit all around. That's ANOTHER problem I have is that every Linux thread I try to enter is largely shitflinging and nothing is learned because everyone has conflicting opinions about every OS you could possibly grab

>>510869961 (OP)
I stopped using Linux years ago because command line and fixing program incompatibilities became tedious. GUI on Linux is shit-tier. The freedom it offered was nice though.

>>510876654
>>510876680
If you are really serious into giving linux a try then I recommend this https://bazzite.gg/
It is a newer concept where users don't have to fiddle around to get it to work.
While I always recommend people to actually learn few command and know how your computer and operating system works, hence why I recommended these >>510876494, for casual user it isn't really necessary.
And you can always learn it when you value your privacy and security later.

>>510875329
Exactly. It drives me insane when idiots say Linux is "hard to use" or "isn't ready". I've gotten boomers to use it, it's not hard or confusing. Winholm syndrome sufferers just don't want to leave their abuser and don't like change.

>>510873098
I'be tried a lot of programs for Linux that have a Windows version and the UI in all of them is trash. I get it, it's a linux nerd thing.

>>510874272
Terry was also schizophrenic and claimed a lot of other things

>>510876882
Probably Indians, they worship Windows and Bill Gates

>>510876108
It's also odd that they have a thing for wanting strong static types and immutability.

>>510873511
Are you retarded or something? Just learn and do. Daddy's not gonna hold your hand for the rest of your life

>>510876811
I DO value privacy and security, that's why I'd rather die than mig to W11. I dont mind learning Linux terminal commands, just not for every little thing in order to use my OS at a basic level. I've heard a lot about bazzite, namely "it just werks" and hopefully that's actually the case when I try a dualboot. I can see a lot of people migging to Linux once W11 gets forced if projects like Bazzite are actually that accessible for the average retard
>>510876990
Oh yeah, TWM is definitely just good in general. A good GUI goes a long way

>>510877133
but thats the reason why it isnt popular to duffus
we still live in an era were people a large amount of the population get stumped when a pc runs into an issue and call tech support
if you use linux thats not even an option hahaha

>>510874186
>something incredibly basic as renaming has 5 steps
anon i uh...

>>510869961 (OP)
Give us a good alt oh wait your kind just complains without doing anything. Well, get fuck animal! We will keep on buying the Nintendos and the sonys

>>510877235
Did drunk chatgpt write this comment?

>>510869961 (OP)
Wait till Microsoft releases subscription based model of their OS. People are going to switch to mac. The poor ones will start using linux.

>>510876654
The distro doesn't really matter, they're just doing different things under the hood too achieve the same thing from the end user's point of view. The only things worth caring about for the average user are the desktop environment (avoid gnome, they're gay troons who think everything should behave like a phone) and how easy it of the box it is. If you want the easiest time, just get mint with the cinnamon desktop environment.
>>510876811
Bazzite is fine if you primarily use your computer for games. For general purpose, get mint.

>>510877166
Great to hear. I hope it serves you well.

Learning terminal commands is one thing.
First you have to learn how much you are being raped by proprietary softwares you are using.
Most people don't care about it. But when you do and find out you have full control over your life, data and your device, you will never use them again.
It will automatically motivate you learn commands amongst other things. And believe me, you don't even have to "learn" linux commands these days. Most of it is GUI and automated.

>>510877663
to add to this, I get physical sick to my stomach whenever I have to use windows. I am not even exaggerating. It has happened to me multiple times.
It's like how women get sick when they have to face their rapists.

>>510877235
Most people don't use a PC outside of school or work. The primary device people use is their phone and would simply move to that rather than doing anything remotely technical

PCs are already viewed as a ham radio

>>510869961 (OP)
Majority of the world is rarted in more ways then one and it's just gonna get worse it's the reason apple still exist and why the movie Idiocracy is becoming a prophecy

>>510877524
>>510877663
Okay, I'm running on like no sleep right now so I'll look into these more. Bazzite looks promising but I don't JUST use my PC for gaymen so mint might be a good choice too. I don't have the spare IQ to mull over that decision right now. Thanks for the info
>>510877786
Disgust is a based emotion, never stop hating the modern winjew

>>510872429
even arch has package managers anon. I swear to god, every time someone talks about the terminal/konsole got filtered by sudo apt get and never recovered and then pretend to talk about shit that they dont understand.
>>510873234
its already happened and passed you by anon. go try out mint at the very least and if you still think its not plug and play enough, i really dont know what else to tell you.

>>510870327
>digital freedom
>can’t do shit without hoping some redditor coded a fix for your programs to work
nah i’m good

>>510876811
I've been thinking about it for a long time, but the horror stories about each new version of windows have been unfounded for me. windows 98 onwards were supposed to be the devil incarnate, but they all worked for me. I was told not to install a pentium 3 processor because of the backdoors. I recently got a new computer and installed windows 11 on it, half expecting to go back to windows 10 or make the move to linux, but it's been fine. I ran the iso through some debloating script, and I haven't been hounded by the adverts, candy crush and ai nonsense I was expecting. I'll probably continue to use windows until I'm forced to pay for it, then move to linux whether the situation has improved or not.
>>510877524
This is the problem. I could use this mint thing for going on the internet, playing videos and install an alternative for my music software, but I'd also like to occasionally play games on it without dual booting or messing around with vms. Windows does all of these things, but if it's going subscription only, it looks like I'm not going to have a choice.

>>510877939
idk dude, there are plenty of people 20 and up that open laptops but cant deal with tech issues at all
its not like grandparents tier "what is a usb" but its still up there

>>510877663
Big software companies are all trying to get you to pay subscriptions these days too. I've stopped using Adobe products because of this. They aren't in the innovation game anymore. They're run by MBAs who think squeezing customers because there are no alternatives is fine, but there are alternatives, and I've found in a lot of cases the code libraries are there and because I can program I can write some glue scripts and be MORE productive because I'm not living in GUI land all day.

>>510869961 (OP)
Here's the problem- most people are too dumb to install it and the people who actually care to are majority white (world minority ethnicity)

>>510872168
>GrapheneOS


yeah seems everyone gets clobbered at the top and its re-released as graphene, literal glowies at work

>>510878309
>but I'd also like to occasionally play games on it without dual booting or messing around with vms
Now that proton exists you can run a massive amount of games "natively" in linux. There are very few modern games that straight up don't work using proton and most of them are the multiplayer portion because of specific anticheat software. It's worth trying and at the very least as there's a large amount of user reviews and info the state of specific games on proton's website.

>>510873729
Use what ever you like to use. Preferably decide on your OS by thinking of what software you use. Some things might not work on Linux that would work on Windows or Mac.

But after saying that, Linux has become quite nice to use and it does have lot of things that Windows or Mac can't do as nicely - if you're also willing to learn to use the console/terminal or spend some time look into some available software. Of course it's not always nice that there are a shit on of different distros with their different peculiarities and each autistic nerd is telling you to use different distro. Start with just one popular one and you'll most likely get something that works.

Many games already work in Linux with Proton quite well and the support is most likely just getting better. You decide what happens on your computer, when updates get installed, when computer is restarted and how you want to customize your system.No ads, no shitty one drive, no big corpo deciding what you can or can't do on your system.

Some times life gets better once you spend a little time to learn something new, even if at first you might not like it. If you're not an absolute retard, you'll manage.

>>510872522
Yeah but when it fucks something up you'll just be screwed. Linux has backups for everything.

>>510878810
The only games that don't work on Linux are the ones that ban them through anti-cheat

>>510878309
>but I'd also like to occasionally play games on it without dual booting or messing around with vms
literally the only thing that loonix cant do at this point is VR stuff which, even then some pretty good strides have been made recently for certain headsets, and slop like valorant/league that need EAC. I think there was some movement recently with proton about being able to work around it.
People give windows every bit of leeway when it comes to it completely shitting itsself on an update or not working with certain games because you have a logitech mouse plugged in when you start the game but if you have to add an extra click to play a game just fine everyone pisses and shits themselves about how unintuative it is when, its just something that youre not used too yet.

>>510878809
>proton
I've encountered that before, does it just work on top of a normal linux install? I'm not bothered about multiplayer and I don't use steam. The games I've been playing recently are either gold, platinum, or works out of the box, so I'll give it a further look. The linux file systems also seem better, I've been using stablebit drivepool and snapraid in windows, I think linux might do that natively.

>>510870377
This is the dumbest fag post of all time, probably from somebody associated with Apple because not even a Microsoft fag could be this gay. Modern Linux distros take 5 mins to install and have GUI's comparable to anything paid. Terminals are all based on logic so if you can't figure out how to use one you're probably just a fucking retard niglet.

>>510875308
>this quote has aged poorly
It really hasn't. The problem has always been that Windows is less annoying to configure. Windows is complete aneurism-inducing diarrhea to configure, but Linux is just worse in this aspect.

When configured, I believe Linux shows the good sides. If you never have to configure a damn thing, great. Problem is that if you never configure anything, your choice of OS is completely irrelevant as long as you're not choosing something like gentoo that forces you to configure things. If you're never configuring anything, why the hell aren't you using Linux? What are you afraid of?

>>510869961 (OP)
I like ham radio as well and a lot of that software is windows only and hard enough to set up on there let alone linux, there is really no incentive for me to move, unless I feel like playing around with it for fun.

>>510875371
Or you could install ltsc

>>510873729
>schizo
Aka anybody who isn't braindead conformist cattle
>schizo babble.
Aka anything that braindead conformist cattle can't comrehend or understand.

>>510869961 (OP)
>if linux is so good

>commie flag

>starvation flashbacks

>short vivid imagery of soulless abandoned ghost towns

>return to the origin

>i can feel my hands

>i am in my room

>it was just a dream

>screen says:

>if linux is so good

>commie flag

>starvation flashbacks

>short vivid imagery of soulless abandoned ghost towns

>return to the origin

>i can feel my hands

>i am in my room

>it was just a dream

>screen says:

>if linux is so good

>commie flag

>starvation flashbacks

>short vivid imagery of soulless abandoned ghost towns

>return to the origin

>i can feel my hands

>i am in my room

>it was just a dream

>screen goes dim

>your electricity bill is due, stop binging 4chan an pay your fucking rent

>>510875299
>Big corpo products make things that just werk
Not anymore

>>510873729
>I stopped doing something because I had to use my brain
this is why AI is going to win

>>510876882
my old, 83 years old, silent generation, mother has been using linux exclusively for about two decades
which is a good thing, because there's a lot less maintenance to do like so
"people" who'd rather stay on windows are niggering monkeys, desu (and applefags are even lower, of course)

>>510878941
True, but maaaybe some others might not work either. Most likely some 70-90% of modern games should work very well though (even some older ones if you use something like Wine), especially if there's no anti cheat. So if you're not into the multiplayer games that use anti cheat, you might not need to be to worried about the games not working on your penguin machine. This situation could still get better if the developers start to see more users on Linux.

>>510878810
>You decide what happens on your computer, when updates get installed, when computer is restarted and how you want to customize your system
If it is troubling you so much that you have to restart and update your system, and will therefore be unable to use your computer for 5 minutes, then you have way bigger problems but Windows ain't one of them.

>>510877053
no wonder
bill gates (maxwell) is a jew
and jeets literally eat shit

>>510880094
I will have to change to linux soon enshittifaction of windows is advancing too fast
not using google for 5 years and had to give up chrome last month

things get worse and worse and worse

>>510869961 (OP)
Woman preferring shining things and clean looks . That’s why apple is considered the best personal computer.

>>510869961 (OP)
Linux or no linux we are still trapped in the data gathering surveillance hellscape, so I might as well just chill using windows rather than worry about making linux work for me.

>>510880325
everything gets worse: enshitification is immanent, and has been for a decade and a half
in linux too, fwiw (though it remains more usable than anything else, it's far from spared)
such is life, with all the looney troon incompetent and lazy "devs" and "maintainers", as well as with the streetshitting monkeys who are even worse
tech peaked in the late naughts: niggering monkeys don't think it be like it is, but it do

>>510869961 (OP)
2025 still doesn't play all my games at max quality.

>>510880464
they will force us out same as google and chrome did

>>510873381
Similar situation here. I just need to use Ableton with low latency. As soon as I can do this in Mint, Windows is going down the shitter

>>510880537
maybe the chinks will be our salvation

>>510880590
lol
dirty chinks are even dumber and filthier than the streetshitting monkeys, and even more degenerated and untrustworthy than the jews

>>510875837
Pretty much.
I feel like open source participation has gone way down as a result.
But don't worry, you can soon pay the Jew for GPU flops for AI commits to make up for it.
Coincidence?

>>510879913
Windows is going down the shitter for sure. Now more than ever before. There's one thing that shows exactly where they went wrong years ago. The movement away from the control panel way of organizing things for a non-technical users was a nightmare in design philosophy. Trying to idiot proof the computer just meant idiots can't find the correct features. I think it's objectively an incorrect way of doing things.

I find myself using the command line more now on Windows for no other reason than the fact it has become a disorganized and dysfunctional piece of garbage. They are genuinely just shitting all over completely functional features for no real reason.

Problem as I see it is that multiple linux distros aren't immune to this shit either. These environments become bloated messes because there's always someone asking for an unnecessary feature, the unnecessary bloat gets added, and now you can't remove the bloat because so many trash programs depend on the bloat. It's to the point where it was named Windows 10 instead of 9 to safeguard all the sacred spaghetti code relics.

>>510880918
MBAs see mobile as more profitable, my instinct says they move more and more towards unity with desktop to get always online and wallet access

I just want to play my video games and watch my big titty porn

>>510869961 (OP)
People use their computer to get things done, not play around with settings and configurations for weeks on end. Plus 99.9% of corporations use Microsoft products.

The only people who talk about Linux are computer enthusiasts. Normies don't know or care about Linux, or 3D printing, or your raspberry pi. Just enjoy your niche hobby in peace and stop trying to push it on a public who isn't interested in the same things you are.

>>510881185
I will have to switch to linux, windows is getting worse and worse.
Had to give up google 5 years ago, was an early adopter, its pure shit now.

>>510869961 (OP)
Pick your Linux
> easy to use: https://www.linuxmint.com/
> configurable: https://archlinux.org/
> secure: https://qubes-os.org

>>510873170
>license fee
Windows 10 has had a crack on github for years.

>>510875837
it's absolutely true
it precisely dates from the codes of conduct, in the late naughts
looney troons started requesting inclusion into projects, mostly as "maintainers" but also as "coders", and to be treated nice even when they screwed up
thing is they screw up all the time, because looney troons are completely incompetent and lazy, so smeared everything with shit from their axe wound/cloaca
which discouraged decent people
enshitification ensued, and is still doing its bidding a decade and a half later

pic related: "gwyn" ciesla
that vile, lazy, crossdressing faggot pretends to be "maintainer" in fedora, but is so lazy and incompetent he made inkscape unusable for about a year and a half, in that distro (it's barely usable as well since last upgrade: copy/paste can take a dozen seconds, lol)
of course, he was too busy organizing aurora, IL fag's parade
he also pretends to be "wife" and "mother" (he rapes kids, no doubt)
and he even testified to his local senate, or something, claiming he was rejected from job offers because he was a faggot in a dress
hey, "gwyn": wake up!
if you're rejected, it's first and foremost because it's fucking blatant you're a lazy incompetent pedofag, is all
you prbly also reek like shit, but it's not like it's gonna bother streetshitting monkeys in the industry much, lol

>>510869961 (OP)
I'm thinking it has to be
Games
Netflix/DRM
Being part of a large crowd that must be supported. Whatever tech issue with someone's website will be supported for windows. The issue might be with the app or site, but when you're troubleshooting you want to factor out any variables - first on the list: the OS.

>>510881185
Stop trying to stop people from pushing their niche hobbies to a wider audience.
Or is that your hobby?
If so, please continue.

I use Ubuntu for work.
Not a fan.

>>510869961 (OP)
Every few years I try Linux and it ends the same: Random unexpected things don't work. Get weird errors trying to install/use various apps. Troubleshooting is impossible, no advice anywhere for obscure unexpected errors.

>>510869961 (OP)
>>510870377
Why linuxtards are constantly seething instead of fixing their shit?

>>510872950
Hard game

>>510881501
I appreciate you knowing this stuff. I've never really been able to use a computer well, I'm just not a computer guy but I feel like knowing specifically how trannies ruined computing make you a valuable person in the tech scene. Keep dropping this knowledge on people

>>510881645
Troubleshooting on Linux is far easier on Linux because there is at least an error to clue you in. On windows it just won't work mysteriously and you won't even have a place to start.

However if an app or website doesn't work for linux users or doesn't work without a tweak it's a minority of users. If there's a problem for windows users it could put them out of business if allowed to persist.

>>510881794
I've been warning about weimar abominations being back since the late naughts (2007, if memory serves me well)
so I'm not stopping anytime soon, desu

>>510873381
Davinci Resolve replaces both Premiere and AfterEffects, is a pay-once own-forever software, and works on Linux. You can also try the free version, which has almost all features. If you're a casual, the free version is all you need. Has cloud features, but doesn't require the cloud. Does not require always-on Internet connection. And it's better than the alternatives. Many Premiere users export to Resolve for coloring. All other features are at parity, so it's a superior product. The only problem is reach. Premere is the default. But it shouldn't be.
> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

>>510874011
>Learn to use Linux, Chud
>ask an AI to do everything for you

>>510881413
i know but they still steal your data and serve you ads.
as long as you are using it, they are making money off of your daily usage.

>>510881810
windows just works

>>510874346
>Actual smart people
>have salary lower than mine
>can't code for shit
>drown themselves in one-liner bash crap instead of actually fixing shit
>obsessed with retarded shit, overly defensive and have daddy issues for a piece of software
>still bad at it
why linux attracts the most retarded spergs on earth?
everything related to linux is fucking Terry-core
and don't make up scenarios in your head, I can guarantee that I know more about your swamp that you do

>>510881923
Based Frog. So one of my best buddies was an IT dude for years before they shipped his job to India, is the same kind of outsourcing happening in France? I wonder if their endgame is to get that tribe of Indian street troons at the top of the tech totem pole

>>510873595
Linux is not good for audio work, but you can get some things to work in Wine. Admittedly I haven't tried in a few years, so maybe things have changed.
>>510873769
Linux is good for video editing. See my post above about Davinci Resolve. It's better than Premiere and After Effects, and works in Linux.

>>510873729
Benefits
> Free as in beer
> Free as in Freedom
> Does everything I need it to do
> More powerful than Windows (see: terminal)
> install software securely with a single command
> Not locked into an extractive ecosystem (Apple Appstore, Microsoft Network)
> Not filling up with default, required AI
> Not reporting back to HQ or the government about everything
> works on the oldest machines
> fun to learn
> leads to competency and self-ownership

The terminal is the superior interface for most purposes, except media consumption. So it's not a 1990s vestigial organ. GUI simply can't do what terminal can do. The more you learn about it the more you will appreciate it.

>>510882171
>is the same kind of outsourcing happening in France?
absolutely
a neighbor of mine, senior dev in a big ass business, got his job outsourced to romania (close enough to india, funnily enough, since gyponians are just traveling jeets: they offered to ship him there, at a quarter of the pay, lol): went to buy an agricultural market with the unemployment money instead, lol
a cousin of mine, PhD in CS and researcher, in a big ass business as well, is basically left to play as he wants, without much if any practical application: he successfully demoed very famous tech like 15 years before some gafa started pretending they invented it, only for his bosses to tell it was great, but would be too hard to implement and would interest no one (not being more specific, because no dox plox), so he's now basically waiting for retirement, playing with things he likes while knowing they'll never be put to use

their endgame?
the total destruction of civilization, and the whole Creation
I for one hate the tikun olam

>>510874034
>This. I tried it. KDE Linux.

There's no such thing as KDE Linux, you absolute faggot.

>>510880238
It's just about control and not getting fucked by some inconveniently timed restart, as Windows can some times does when you might have the computer doing something that you don't want to get interrupted. I've heard people doing something work related and then being forced to restart, when timing wasn't good for it for what ever reason.

>>510869961 (OP)
>>510873814
This!! My god why the fuck would I need to learn how to code just to install a fucking program on loonix?

>>510882054
>steal your data and serve you ads
Prove it.

>>510883184
>need to learn to code to install a program

I'm sorry to hear about your traumatic brain injury :(

>>510883432
Am I wrong?

>>510877939
>PCs are already viewed as a ham radio
Always been true.
If most people did not need to update their browser since it was not supported or their computer did not get slow, they would never even think about the Operating system.

It's why most people just buy whatever Mac or Apple device there is as all they care about is "Does it have my program that I use" and that's about it.

And lets not forget the current day ZoomZooms don't know SHIT about computers
Windows? All they know is Meme's about Windows.

They are so impatient they just mult click on that mouse and accept whatever is thrown at them.
These people should not be around a desktop.
Let alone a fucking Playstation DESU.

There is a reason why the GAYming market is such a shit show.
These people couldn't care less about the OS.
Just that the shit works.

>>510869961 (OP)
in windows i download a program and start it with the exe file, in linux? what is the actual program that i click to start and where does this shit os install it? oh right nothing no standard in anything

>>510873814
>I'm not learning an entire coding language just to install a file.
>>510883184
>My god why the fuck would I need to learn how to code just to install a fucking program on loonix?

looks like there are microsoft bots in here!

>>510873698
>The amount of steps required to make the software work correctly is not worth the time for 99,99% of people who own a PC
It's not just the software problem though. Music/sound production is an absolute hell-scape of subscriptions, licenses and lock-ins. That kind of aggressive monetisation just does not work in the Linux landscape.
This is Linux's problem. It shuns license heavy programs/industries, so they won't come to Linux, but can't provide the same level of alternative.

>>510872094
>DOS
>awesome
There was nothing awesome in having to optimize your memory by shifting system programs between lower and upper memory blocks,
Also in even slightly older Windows versions you have to defrag hard drives because of the poor fs.

>>510883752
>wahhh im chud and every response i don't like is a bot

>>510877023
You take that back he is our Prophet!

>>510881810
>On windows it just won't work mysteriously and you won't even have a place to start.

In corporations major issues on Window computers have aren't worth the time to troubleshoot anymore, you're better off re-imaging a computer having it shipped the next day or spinning up a new VM
The people paying the bills for Windows just don't care about paying for troubleshooting when everything is on the cloud and there's zero chance of losing data. They will expect home PC to be the same eventually as your computer just becomes a DaaS that simply connects to a VM


This is one of the many reasons Windows is so garbage now for home use, it's backend is built off the same spaghetti code of 30 years ago

>>510883738
>in windows i download a program and start it with the exe file

in windows, you download a spyware
https://youtu.be/3yXgyrsqraE?si=-yFp9dlFmIDVT19f

>>510883513
very

>>510883184
> sudo apt-get install <package-1> <package-2> etc.
> apt-cache search <search-term>
The entire "programming language"

Meanwhile in Windows
> have to search on Google for the download page
> figure out which page is the real one
> download the software
> no SHA security, don't know if its been compromised
> viruses and malware in everything

>>510883934
>built off the same spaghetti code of 30 years ago
Linux is from like 1985 and it's based off UNIX which is from like 1960.

>>510884126
Prove me wrong ten.

>>510883184
>>510883387
>>510883513

Why's this faggot shilling for microsoft?

Does microsoft employ faggots to post negative comments in every thread about Linux?

>>510884172
So I have to literally learn coding commands? LOLOLOLMAO

>>510869961 (OP)
>if Linux is so good
it is not

>>510869961 (OP)
This is a copy paste of a /g/ thread. The OP is not engaged in the discussion. This thread exists to slide other threads which do belong on /pol/.

>>510881501
I wonder if Russia will ever roll out its own Version of Linux or something close to that.
They seem to have smart people, and that alone would get them more money is their small villages and keep them online being a code maintainer.

The thing is going forward, most software just wants something to run on.
And most people don't really give a fuck about what's under the hood or "It's Values" - Fucking QUACKS ruin everything good.

Fuck it.
More shit breaks not my problem.
I go outside and have a life.
All this tech shit is just there to HOPEFULLY make your life better.
If I have to fuck with it?
It's not making my life better is it?
So let them destroy it.
China will just come in and suck up the power vacuum.

And man, did these troons destroy open source.
Nobody even wants to be on their boards or teams anymore.
That's how bad it is now.

>>510884215
You know Microsoft funds the Linux Foundation right?

>>510884174
It's not closed off spaghetti code, you can actually get under the hood

>>510884357
Great, so more hackers know the vulnerabilities of the code. Good job there.

>>510884225
>So I have to literally learn coding commands? LOLOLOLMAO

you are on /pol/ , newfaggot.

/pol/ does not say LOLOLOLMAO

>>510869961 (OP)
I would love to totally switch over to linux, but it's still a pain to run vidya and steam. Although maybe I just haven't found the right distro

>>510884402
Reddit spacing.

>>510884174
package managers (both from the distro, as well as crossdistro appimages and flatpacks, these days) are among linux top strengths
makes not only installation, but also updates, a breeze
the primitiveness of non-Linux shit as to that particular probrem (as well as simple file based configuration for most thing, noticeably) is enough to make me consider "users" of such crap as most lowly subhumans, lol

>>510884335
>You know Microsoft funds the Linux Foundation right?

yeah, /pol/ knows all about your great overlord

>>510884444
Wasted digits, enjoy having to code to keep loonix from crashing. How's wifi working out for ya? LMAOLOLOL

>>510869961 (OP)
I dont love big corpos and i never bought a windows license ever, always pirated the shit out of it, but linux is a pain in the ass, i tried way too many times and everytime was an endless research on how to solve a problem, also most games that i play wont even work on linux so yeah, i dont have that much time to waste on an os, so i couldnt care less about linux

>>510882023
They stole everyone's code to train their models. I may as well benefit from that shitty situation. They've bought the government out so this is the new normal. You can get an LLM to spit out a workable script that will get 95% of the way there, ya purity spiraling faggot.

>>510884387
Windows has far more vulnerabilities and needs anti-virus, especially the unsupported versions. I wouldn't dare connect a Win10 or Win7 machine to the internet before having to harden it and completely debloated

>>510884480
>>510884444
>>510884357
>>510884172
>IM CHOOSING THE FONT

>IM CHOOSING THE FONT RENDERER

>IM PICKING EACH INDIVIDUAL ICON

>IM CUSTOMIZING THE COLORS

>IM VETTING EVERY DEPENDENCY

>IM BEAUTIFYING THE SHELL

>IM USING ASCII ART

>I HAVE A SCRIPT THAT CHANGES MY TERMINAL COLORS FOR EACH DAY OF THE WEEK

>I USE A ROLLING RELEASE DISTRO SO WHEN THINGS BREAK I CAN GET RIGHT BACK TO CUSTOMIZING ALL OVER AGAIN

>I CHANGE SOFTWARE AS MUCH AS I CHANGE DISTRO

>I LOVE MY COMPUTER BEING INOPERABLE WITHOUT AN INTERNET CONNECTION

>I ALWAYS INSTALL FROM THE LIVE CD

>IM CONNECTED TO THE CLOUD

>1000 DIFFERENT PROGRAMS IN MY OS ARE ALWAYS CONNECTING TO SOMETHING

>I LOVE THE FEELING OF BEING CONNECTED. ALWAYS ONLINE

AH- HH I LOVE PROGRAMMING

>I LOVE MY SOCKS

>I LOVE LINUX

>AHH-HHHHHHH I LOVE GITHUB

>I LOVE TRANIME

>AAAAH-HHHHHHHH I LOVE RUST

>UU-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH IM GONNA CUM *THUMP* *THUMP *THUMP*

>>510884411
>but it's still a pain to run vidya and steam.
Linux has its problems, but vidya and steam has not been one of them for a long time. Any of the main distros should be fine.
I'm running it right now and use it for gaming exclusively.

>>510884522
>Wasted digits
not at all, niggerwits
>having to code to keep loonix from crashing
first, it's been years since I've seen one of my machines crash (and it was due to damaged ram, lol)
second, I don't have to code shit if I just need things to run, lmao
>How's wifi working out for ya
great, really
both on clients as on the AP (which runs Linux, like most APs)
you really are a niggerwits, lol

>>510882126
Suck my balls, memeflaggot shill.

>>510884225
> I NEED PRESS ONLY BUTTON MY COMPUTER!!!
> WEEEEEEEEE!
It's really not hard to learn those two commands. If you have a poor memory, you can write them down. Just write down all the Linux commands you need to use. There are some, and it depends on your use case. Once you've got those, you'll have a Windows-like experience 95% of the time.
Or let a Windows AI remember it for you, and everything you've clicked on, which they analyze and send to the Feds.

>>510884730
meanwhile, in reality, you're the one playing with shit
so there's that

>>510869961 (OP)
Linux will turn you into a trannie ..... all linux users are strange freaks

>>510873531
>Linux is meant for nerds who will spend hours fixing a problem that won't exist on windows.
Kind of. Using Linux for anything other than IT is a waste of time. Using Linux at a consumer level is as pointless as using Mac at an IT level.
Linux = You build it from scratch so it has only what it needs to have any runs optimally
Mac = It has only what it comes with and making any changes is near impossible, making it idiot proof

Linuxtards are the Reddit atheists of computers. They say how only Linux is the only logical solution to their big brain problems, and they go around telling everyone how people who don’t use Linux are stupid. It becomes their identity, and they never shut up about it despite 99% of people not giving a shit about it because 99% of people aren’t neckbeards who have time to hyper focus on shit that nobody cares about.

>>510884730
> Computer does what I want it to do
VS
> Windows AI watching everything I do
> telemetry dialed up to 11
> Windows updates turning off my privacy settings
> viruses and malware dominating my experience
> software installation a chore

Why has nothing better,more powerful,and more efficient than these current OS's been created after all these years?

>>510884887
>Mac = It has only what it comes with and making any changes is near impossible, making it idiot proof

And that is exactly what 99.9% of the world cares about.
Stuff that just works.
Nobody wants to Mod their light switch.
Those that do?
Linux is 4 U.

>>510869961 (OP)
>>510870327

That is a rarer FTM. Note how it WANTED to look uglier

>>510885070
> Windows AI watching everything I do
> telemetry dialed up to 11
> Windows updates turning off my privacy settings
Can you prove any of these claims?
> viruses and malware dominating my experience
Sounds like a you problem
> software installation a chore
With loonix you have to code into a command prompt to install shit and half the time it doesn't even work. Windows doesn't have this issue.

>>510884780
>Or let a Windows AI remember it for you, and everything you've clicked on, which they analyze and send to the Feds.
None of what you just said here is true.

>>510869961 (OP)
Linux is an operating system that requires a dedicated maintenance technician. Windows is self-maintaining. For middle-class commoners like me, who barely earn enough to employ a butler for the guests of the house and a maid for the kids, Windows is the obvious choice. Only upper class people can employ their own maintenance technicians.

>>510883871
Doesn't make him any less a genius. Just a schizophrenic genius

>>510885241
>Can you prove any of these claims?
Windows 11 Recall

>>510873729
>he used a terminal on Mint
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>510885314
>Linux is an operating system that requires a dedicated maintenance technician. Windows is self-maintaining.
same, except just the opposite

>>510885496
That's just a history feature you can turn off any time.

>>510884411
>but it's still a pain to run vidya and steam.
What do you think the Steam Deck does?

>>510884887
Corporate normal faggots say Windows is easy until they can't call a pajeet slave
Going to have to deal with the registry and winobjs issues on your own boss

Linux is easy, everything is a file. Simple as. Windows backend is a total nightmare

>>510885557
right but in order for it to function it has basically watch everything you do. Furthermore, the plan is/was for it to be on by default

>>510885241
You have to use the command prompt to install software in Linux?

>>510884887
Linux isn't typically built from scratch. You pick the distro that fits your use case and install it. It can be as easy as a Windows install.
Linux can do almost everything the other operating systems can do, including running most games.

>>510885241
> can I prove windows update resets privacy settings
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/stop-windows-from-changing-telemetry-settings-during-update/

> viruses and malware being a (me) problem
On Windows I have two anti-virus programs running and interfering with my work. On Linux I have none.
> https://superuser.com/questions/1646162/windows-10-massive-performance-drop-after-copying-files-why
On Windows, copying lots of files suddenly slows down because Windows thinks it might be ransomware doing something nefarious.
I'd call that a Windows problem.

> installing software
I've already outlined the superiority of secure Linux package management over insecure hunt and peck Windows software installation.

Windows is a piece of shit operating system that is becoming EVIL due to AI. If that's your dildo, jump on it.

>>510885314
>Linux is an operating system that requires a dedicated maintenance technician.
This has not been true for the average user needs for over a decade now.
Many don't even need:
>sudo dnf update -y
>sudo apt upgrade
any more. They have some program informing you need to update and just press this button to do so.

>>510884012
you didnt answer my question which basically proves my point

>>510885314
My personal maintenance technician is a guy named Rajeed who has to say “Of course, saar” whenever I tell him to fix my Linux computer, and he’s contractually bound to have to say “An excellent idea, saar” in front of my guests whenever I suggest anything so that I look smart and important. He has to say this even if my idea is totally retarded. He also has to wear a white suit and a turban whenever he’s in the sight of me of my guests.

>>510884335
>>510884730
>>510885632

who pays faggots like these to disparage Linux?

>>510885632
>Going to have to deal with the registry
Just had a fun one there myself. I'm more versed in Linux but Windows is what my current company uses (A lot of their hires are nepo so I think they chose Windows because like you said, everything THINKS they know Windows).
Took right around 2 weeks to find that a Windows 11 update fucked the registry values on half the devices. That's a lot of down time for a supposedly easy to work with system that forced an update because the end users have little to no say in when/how the products they paid for update.

>>510885749
And this is a problem how? You know this was a thing in Mac right?

>>510885788
This thread you posted is a guy who is using 3rd party software to change shit, ofc it's going to reset if it's being changed by 3rd party shit.

I've never heard of the 2nd thing or had any issue copying files.

Windows software installation is like 3 clicks and you're done, it's easier.

>>510880311
Gave some to ol bill too

>>510885310
I can tell you don't have real privacy requirements. You believe what they say in the TOS, when they can change that at any moment, and do all sorts of things behind the scenes to spy on users.
Look up how Google and Apple both deceived users about location tracking privacy.
Apple has floated a system for client-side scanning of contraband information which they will report to HQ and sent to the Feds. It was quashed due to outrage, but only temporarily.
Windows Recall remembers everything you do. Microsoft is also a proud member of PRISM and works openly with the intelligence community. You'd have to be stupid not to think Tab A isn't going to be silently pushed into Slot A.

If you have real privacy requirements, use Linux. If you're too stupid to use Linux, use Apple. Those are your two choices.

>>510870377
>>510870716
>Checked, I like to dable but anything other than a browser app is a fools errand.
>>510870956
>I keep trying linux now and again. Its improved over recent years but still nowhere near ready for daily driving.
>>510871035
>It will never be the year of the linux desktop
>>510873315
>linux is shit

I switched to Naboro OS after only running windows. Reason being:

1. Windows blows mega donkey cock. If they could stop spying on all of my shit with bloat services in the background, and stop with the DEI bullshit fag UI stuff, and actually provided real settings that could disable all the stuff that a power-user would want without having to mess with editing kernel shit... Then I would use windows.

2. My computer specs are from 2016 or so, still works fine. I7700K, 16 gb DDR4 and gtx 1070. --> apparantly this shit is outdated for windows 11, dont recall if it was the CPU but my computer is not supported for this. Loads of good hardware is not supported.

So the alternative is for me to throw this computer away, sell it or whatever and buy a new one so i can suck more bill gates cock and get "personalized ads" as this faggot spies on my shit. OR... I can just move to linux, which I had dreamed of for years because I hate windows and their buggy shit.


End result:
I had a spare AMD XT 5700 - that i got from a pal. Installed that shit, installed Naboro OS, the latest official version. And with very few quirks this OS is by far the best OS I have had, maybe besides Windows 7 back in the day, although that was slow as shit.

You run every game through steam - they got the proton layer with unbelievably good support. Valheim, Arma Reforger, Squad, all of these games run amazing. Only fag games like Battlefield 2042 dont run due to battleeye faggery.

>"BUHHH ANON I NEED TO RUN EXCEL OR WHATEVER..."
So ? Literally run it in a wrapper. "Bottles" is one alternative. I run windows apps in it all the time.

>>510884172
in windows i can start the program i have downloaded by looking for the exe file in the folder, what do i look for in linux after the programm gets installed in a random place that i finally find after half an hour of looking (because the programm i just installed isnt on the desktop or the "start" menu) for the folder now i am in the folder with 80 random files so which of does random files opens now the program? in windows again its easy i look for the exe file.. what do i look for in linux? how do i start the program that just got installed but doesnt have a shortcut on desktop or "start" menu?

>>510885788
>Linux isn't typically built from scratch.
Well of course. I certainly wouldn't waste my time building a flavor when there are thousands of variations already.
I just mean in big corporate settings where you don't need 60 gigs of bloatware and unnecessary spyware on your servers, it's better to just get linux as barebones as possible and just have it serve the purpose it's meant to serve. For a typical consumer...they'd rather have Mac where they get what Apple says they're allowed to get, and they can't make any changes, but they can use Google, Youtube, and Tiktok all day long.

>>510885314
> for normies Windows is the obvious choice
No the obvious choice for normies is Apple. MacOS is BSD, which is a good operating system. The only real problem I have with it, besides the license, is being locked into the Apple ecosystem. But on all other measures it's vastly superior to Windows.

>>510869961 (OP)
If I have to spend a single second opening up the command terminal over the course of owning Linux over a 10-year period, I will never switch to Linux. For myself and the vast majority of people, computers are are not even tools we use, but the toolbox for our tools (programs). If interacting with the toolbox involves anything more than
>open toolbox
>use tools until finished with session
>close toolbox
Then we're not going to use it. I'm not making an appeal to stupidity here. I have a set number of hours in my day that I can do things, many of which are taken up by obligations. If I use my computer, the time I spend interacting with the computer itself to use the programs on it needs to approach zero seconds.

Linux currently cannot offer such unobtrusive convenience, so it will never become more popular.

>>510869961 (OP)

People are fucking retards. Theyd rather subscribe to 10 different streaming services for 100s/month than pirate the 4 shows they watch for free. And its not a moral issue for them its simply convenience. Even gen z are idiots despite growing up in a post napster/torrents world.

I imagine most normies could do everythibg they need to ob a linux os but dont have the patience to learn it, even just the basics. Im not tech savy at all but there was a time where i had a dual boot ubuntu windows laptop.

Put this in perspective, most people dont even run a fucking adblocker while using youtube.

>>510886046
Can you prove anything you said? Show me Windows spying on you. You know the "evil telemetry" in Windows is anonymous data right?

>>510886034
jews are obsessed with butt stuff too, anon
a jew once told me
>I'll kill you, goy: I'll kill you!
because I had reminded him that jewesses love it in the butt like you wouldn't believe
but he certainly didn't call me a liar, and I'm still alive and kicking

>>510886089
>I had a spare AMD XT 5700
Forgot to mention this in my gay long blogpost - but only switch to Nobara OS , or linux in general if you are on AMD.

I used to hate AMD, and I still sort of do because their drivers are shit on windows. But AMD is the best for linux. Because AMD graphics drivers are built into the linux kernel which is holy fucking based.

>>510885915
>Facebook ban
>Starting on January 19, 2025 Facebook's internal policy makers decided that Linux is malware and labelled groups associated with Linux as being "cybersecurity threats". Any posts mentioning DistroWatch and multiple groups associated with Linux and Linux discussions have either been shut down or had many of their posts removed.

>We've been hearing all week from readers who say they can no longer post about Linux on Facebook or share links to DistroWatch. Some people have reported their accounts have been locked or limited for posting about Linux.

>The sad irony here is that Facebook runs much of its infrastructure on Linux and often posts job ads looking for Linux developers.

>Unfortunately, there isn't anything we can do about this, apart from advising people to get their Linux-related information from sources other than Facebook. I've tried to appeal the ban and was told the next day that Linux-related material is staying on the cybersecurity filter. My Facebook account was also locked for my efforts.

Anyone who is anti-open source is a bootlicking shill. They don't want to lose control

>>510886181
>most people dont even run a fucking adblocker while using youtube.

For sure. Most people when they get home after a long braindead day of slaving, just want to get home and watch dumbass slop with ads. They really dont care. Definitely not enough to install linux.

>>510886466
>people
*"people"

>>510885986
> link proofs
> I see nothing
You do you.

Privacy settings that block my OS from sending telemetry reports to HQ aren't third party apps. Insofar as people are pushed to use third party apps to set rational privacy settings for their OS, it's proof that something has gone very very wrong.

>>510886181
It is a moral issue though, stealing is wrong and a sin. What this thread just tells me is that people are paranoid about telemetry because they're doing illegal activities on their computer.

I used linux mint for a while but it was a hassle. I was getting screen tearing and when I fixed that it then broke video playback in video players making everything all laggy and slow

>>510886110
AAAAA SAVE ME NIGGERMAN.

>>510886193
>the sky is blue and not black
do you have a source of that? you know that these dark clouds emitted by Gates™ isn't toxic right?

>>510886639
>stealing is wrong and a sin
you can neither steal nor own what isn't limited in amount, though
the real con is the laughable notion of "intellectual" "property"
particularly when proper mixes of even old music aren't even manufactured anymore, or when the proper cut of a movie is already such a chore to find in pirated version (not even talking of commercial streaming and physical media, lmao)

>>510876498
>>510886034

Microsoft faggot wants to make this a racial issue

>>510885986
>This thread you posted is a guy who is using 3rd party software to change shit, ofc it's going to reset if it's being changed by 3rd party shit.
>I've never heard of the 2nd thing or had any issue copying files.
>Windows software installation is like 3 clicks and you're done, it's easier.

i dont care if the installation is 15 hours. Usability is all for me. At work my fucking windows machine constantly is bogged down by various anti-virus programs, and it crashes applications a lot. Its just a buggy experience caused by overbloat.

Visual studio and coding and all of this is a mess and it wastes so much time for me. Teams and outlook constantly freeze and stop loading in messages from the server due to bloat.

I kid you not when I say that I on average restart my work laptop 2 times a day to get my daily shit running. -Also i know its not a windows issue necessarily, but excel is a piece of shit too in how it operates.

All of this shit was built decades ago, they still use the same functions and calls, just a new UI. Microsoft really dont care. Its a fucking garbage company. They should get out of the OS space, because they do not know what they are doing outside of the GUI - and they admit to not caring one bit about performance or efficiency.

Task manager was written back in the 90s btw, still using the same code from back then, code that was rushed one morning if i recall correctly. Just an example.

linux cultists are delusional.

>>510870377
best post in the thread. if my life span was 200 years i might start using linux again.
I have used this trash as a professional for years ok. little faggots who install a browser and then go parade on the internet how linux is great really have no idea what theyre talking about. most faggots will put a custom background to their console and pretend like theyre elite hackers, its so fucking stupid.

the main problem is that every fucking program is a "quirky chungus" straight from reddit. there are no standards. everything is an amalgamation of shit. there is no grand design, its accumulated feces pressed together. there isnt even a proper image editing tool. there is no good music player, nothing. really just the browser works and thats all. everything that is good is a program that already exists on windows. mac is much more powerful and better than linux on almost all fronts.

the only thing linux is good at is running a server with minimum waste. its a multi user OS, not some windows alternative.

>>510886281
>Facebook's internal policy makers decided that Linux is malware and labelled groups associated with Linux as being "cybersecurity threats". Any posts mentioning DistroWatch and multiple groups associated with Linux and Linux discussions have either been shut down or had many of their posts removed.

of course

Zuck has built an underground city for himself

>>510886193
if Windows isnt spying on you, and telemetry is harmless...why is Microsoft forcing users to have a Microsoft account? What purpose does that serve other than to collect data that is attached to you?

>>510887007
shitties are just for urban sodomites
that which urbanite is short for

>>510886918
youre a retard, not a professional coder. big difference. ive never had my work windows crash or freeze a single time, wtf are you doing.

linux on the other hand is just totally broken after every other update. oh looks like the sound is broken AGAIN

>>510886800
>>510887029
As per usual, no proof.

>>510887001
>if my life span was 200 years i might start using linux again.

ah! the faggot with German flag who's 24/7 on /pol/ baking divisive threads...kek

Usually this faggot bakes thread baiting white europeans

>>510887243
meds, schizo

>>510886813
Look up the definition of stealing and pirating.

>>510880590
Yeah no. Chinks can only copy and they will copy even from you, if that what it takes to be "ahead".

>>510887182
you didnt answer the question....what is the purpose of forcing the usage of a Microsoft account? If that is NOT proof they are collecting data on that user, why is it necessary?

>>510887330
pilpul moar, sodomite
you can't own ideas
and those who pretend you can are most vile criminals against Humanity
and thus deserve a most brutal and humiliating death
simple as

>>510887399
You didn't answer my question either. Can you prove anything you said?

>>510887399
Can you show me the data they are collecting?

>>510886855
I don't care about microsoft saar, poo in the loo
Racial on the racist board? Unheard of!

>>510887399
you get finger printed every time you use the web, your OS doesnt matter.

>>510887538
>racist
I for one prefer the term "specist"

>>510886639

Im saying i doubt the moral argument is whats keeping normies from pirating.

>>510886181
they aren't retards man. they just do things that they see working with others. survival instincts.
it makes sense to you to reprehend because you are outside of the normiesphere, not so much when inside of it.

>>510886466
Having a job is bad now? I can certainly see you getting a gf.

>>510887732
I mean who wants to wait 2 weeks for something they can legally pay for and not get into trouble and watch right now?