Why is Putin popular amongst gamers?

>>510882125 (OP)
edginess. They used to put hitler nad swastikas too but Valve clamped down on that.

>>510882125 (OP)
Kids in the west are hilariously sheltered from the ugly realities of shitholes like russia.

>>510882162
>>510882369
I feel like we're in part responsible, because there are many right wingers who try to be very much pro-Russia. Found some Germans who were part of this group.

>>510882475
>there are many right wingers who try to be very much pro-Russia.
No shit, retard. Every right-winger should pro-Russia. Not that you want Russia to take over the world. But rather that only through Russia(and changing global power structures) can the tranny world order be upended.

>>510882475
thank you for bringing this group to my attention.

>>510882660
But our Soviet mythos is revolving around victory over nazism though? I am confused about Germans explicitly supporting us, when our whole thing is '1941-1945 we can do it again'

>>510882660
there's plenty of fags and trannies in russia though
black people too. and more muslims than in any country in Europe

>>510882872
Only amongst the administration-adjacent oligarchs and prison system.

Most of the country is a fag free zone.

>>510882475
For as long as there's been conflict in the world there's always been outliers like that. Pretty normal behaviour, especially for young men.

It's very much the "grass is always greener" sentiment taken to the extreme. At least most people aren't stupid enough to act on their larp edgyness.......others.....well lol

>>510882825
Holy fuck you're stupid. Ideology is a means to an end. It is not the end in itself.

You need to start with an objective(an end) and think backwards of how to make it possible. While understanding that the world is ruled by power(see money).

To put it simply, the real aim of Hitler was to restore Europe to global power. Europeans can only be saved by a strong Europe(including diaspora).

You need to start thinking like an ubermensch instead of a faggot.

>>510882958
>yeah it's just the military, prisons, government, randoms, etc. Everyone else is in the closet.
lol okay great fag free zone you got there
also more HIV than most african countries

>>510882872
I'm talking about global power-dynamics you fucking retard. The actual reason the world is the way it is is because (((America))) is too powerful. If you want the world to change, you need competition. Moreover, Europe is COMPLETELY cucked. Russia "losing" doesn't solve that problem. It makes it worse.

>>510883007
I pity this dude, but at the same time, if he or that CIA director's son wouldn't die - Russian would, so better him than us.
>>510883039
But strong Europe is our historical adversary?
There certainly has been a shift from our enemy being the USA to it being Europe after Trump's election, as it has always been, again, historically a thing.
We aren't benefitting from a strong Europe.

>>510882825
>>510883039
To put it simply, there is no contradiction between being a Nazi and supporting Putin. Because Nazism, or anything else, is pointless without power. Like, even if Ukraine was led by an actual Hitler instead of a kike, it wouldn't do anything because Ukraine has no power.

Power, nigger. That is what matters. Thus the goal is to make Europe powerful. And for Europe to be powerful, it needs to become a unified empire.

>>510883182
>he thinks the world will be a more peaceful place if nations are on equal footing and all start vying for control
Namefags, not even once.

>>510883304
Personally I think it's the height of freedom and i'm fine with men going off to fight for whatever cause they believe in, they just shouldn't expect to come back if it's in opposition to their own nation.

>>510883392
But power seems to lie with China in this case, to whos favor Russia has diminished it's own.

What is power? We're talking political, electoral or military? Or demographical?

>>510883304
>But strong Europe is our historical adversary?
Europeans were competing with each other, but a strong Europe was never an adversary. You are part of the same civilization. European civilization. You only ceased to be part of that civilization when you were taken over by kikes after WWI. Who were using Russia's vast resources to destroy European civilization. Likewise America.

Europe is essentially dead, regardless of its supposed wealth. Because its powerless. Europe has no future without Russia. This has been known since Napoleon.

>>510882125 (OP)
bombing hohols is a pretty good gamer move

>>510883408
Who said anything about peace? Yes, a global leviathan will bring peace, but what kind of peace?

>>510883564
I am half Central Asian. I don't feel any particular connection to European Civilization or values desu

>>510883691
Well then, I'm not talking about you.

>>510883526
>But power seems to lie with China in this case, to whos favor Russia has diminished it's own.
>What is power? We're talking political, electoral or military? Or demographical?
Yes, China is the primary catalyst, but Russian resources are the deciding factor. Why do you think Russia has any power at all? What do you think this war is about?

Germany + Russian resources = unstoppable.

>>510882741
Damn nigga you already left the server?

>>510882125 (OP)
putin is popular, you're just a gamer faggot that's why you see him there

>>510883668
Dugin denies genetic differences between people albeit
>>510883842
>Germany + Russian resources = unstoppable.
But it's China + Russian resources right now. Z took a sharp turn towards China.

>>510883526
Here, go listen to Richard Nixon to understand what is actually happening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsc6-hF1WTg&t=1353s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8LMwNCt2w&t=1844s

To put it simply, we built China up to create a massive security dilemma for Russia which essentially forced it to "give up" in the Cold War, and in which we hoped would force them to seek security from the United States(and thus become a subordinated vassal like the rest of Europe). That was the strategy.

Basically, by encircling Russia, and threatening it in all directions, and with a rising China to the east, Russia would have no choice but to dismantle what's left of its empire in favor of security for its oligarchs.

>>510884196
>But it's China + Russian resources right now. Z took a sharp turn towards China.
China cannot let Russia lose this war. But Russia hates China, and China hates Russia. Russia need Europe. Europe need Russia.

Russia's entire foreign-policy since the 80's has been to buy the Germans off. Because without Germany, there is no EU. Russia has been calling for a Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok for 40 years. That's the only way it can protect itself from China and America.

It's also why Russia has been extremely hesitant to come to any kind of deal with China. And why America still believes we can weaken Russia to the point it becomes so fearful of becoming subordinated to China that it will come to terms with America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcj8xN2UDKc

autism

>>510884196
>Dugin denies genetic differences between people albeit
Does he believe in storing information in double helices?

>>510882125 (OP)
Say what you want Putin is a better warlord than Zelesnski

>>510884921
It's wrong to assume that Russia needs Europe or that China needs Russia, all those dynamics can easily change.

>>510884921
>But Russia hates China, and China hates Russia. Russia need Europe. Europe need Russia.
that's just like your opinion bro
The geopolitical situation where we are in need of Chinese drone parts dictates otherwise.

>>510885151
>It's wrong to assume that Russia needs Europe or that China needs Russia, all those dynamics can easily change.
Russia needs Europe because it needs manpower and it needs warm-water ports. Moreover, it needs to secure its western flank and throw America off the Eurasian continent. Otherwise it will be perpetually surrounded by two superpowers. Stop being a fucking faggot.

>>510882125 (OP)
Jews

>>510885255
Allies are not friends retard. Allies can even be enemies(see WWII, America/Soviet Union/etc). An ally is just someone with a common enemy. Thus both China and Russia are allies and enemies. China wants to destroy Russia and seize back the land Russia stole from it(see Sino-Soviet split, Sino-Soviet War, etc), but America is the greater danger at the moment.

But if America ceased to exist, China and Russia would be right back at each other's throats. That's just how the Grand Chessboard is played my nigger.

>>510885283
>Muh warm water ports
-Sevastopol and Novorossiysk
-Tartus
-Kaliningrad
-Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and Vladivostok
what are icebreakers

>>510885502
Yeah well Dugin used to have a whole chapter about dangers of China in 1990's in his third geopolitical theory, but publishers removed it in 2000's lmao

I mean I see us becoming vassals of America and lose 3 more millions in SMO in far east in Manchuria, but then SMO in Ukraine was really grim and useless. Was it all for nothing? We just can't switch sides now, too many people lost. Better stick to the anti-imperialist anti-colonialist outlook because anything else crosses out a huge chunk of Putins rule for last 30 years.

>>510883842
>Germany
What resources, aside from beer, do they have, pray tell?

>>510885586
I said MAJOR warm-water port. Maybe I should add, economically viable and strategically valuable. To put it simply, the goal of the United States in the Cold War was to block Russia from becoming a sea power by blocking it from every major port in Europe. The Black Sea doesn't count because it's hemmed in by Turkey/Dardanelles.

Russia can't afford to move all of goods from fucking the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean before loading it on ships then sending it back to Europe. And Kaliningrad is effectively cut off right now.

So please, fuck off retard.

>>510885983
They don't really need them to defend their lands, they would only need major ports for offensive.

>>510885760
>Dugin used to have a whole chapter about dangers of China in 1990's in his third geopolitical theory
Yes, and nothing has changed. He's just being diplomatic because Russia needs China. But it doesn't matter because China also needs Russia. For now.

As soon as things change, everything will change. Dugin talks a bit about it in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv02AsNATAg&t=3249s

>I see us becoming vassals of America
Why?

>Was it all for nothing?
No. The SMO restored Russian sovereignty and will destroy NATO, and thus America's stranglehold over Europe.

>>510885917
>What resources, aside from beer, do they have, pray tell?
None. That's the point.

>>510886084
>They don't really need them to defend their lands, they would only need major ports for offensive.
Please stfu if you don't know what you're talking about. Go watch some Mearsheimer and learn something.

>>510886206
>Tucker Carlson interview with Putin.png
sheesh, Tucker was nudging him towards something about God, but Putin didn't catch the meaning at all, because he isn't religious. There was actually two times when Tucker did that.
>>510886206
Without NATO, why wouldn't China just conduct it's own SMO on Russia? If there's no world police, I mean. NATO is a big guy, but if it becomes fragmented, lonely states are up for grabs.

>>510886312
>Mearsheimer
No, Russia wants to be allied with the West but the Catholics won't let them into their group, but will allow protestants, why is that?

>>510886439
>Without NATO, why wouldn't China just conduct it's own SMO on Russia?
What's NATO got to do with anything? China won't conduct an SMO on Russia because it would get nuked. What China hopes to do instead is to make Russia dependent on them. So that China can essentially dictate to Russia what it has to do. Kind of like Trump wanting to "buy" Greenland from Denmark.

America doesn't need to invade Greenland or Denmark. Because Denmark's livelihood(and Europe's more broadly) is essentially controlled by the United States. If America sanctioned Denmark/Europe, it would either become a third-world country overnight, or be forced into the arms of Russia and China. Because Europe cannot survive on its own.

>>510885917
>What resources
Indominatible human spirit, drive to perfection, discipline, an irrepressible urge to do the right thing for the community, and the will to sacrifice for your neighbour.
Simply the opposite of what russians and jews have.

>>510886617
It's not about that at all. It's the (((Anglos))). They want to destroy all competition. Whether it be French, German, or Russian. They've already subordinated the French and the Germans. Russian is their one remaining enemy in Europe.

>>510886960
How you gonna build a tank without Iron dipshit? Or copper, aluminum, rare earth minerals, lithium, silicon, and all the other shit.

For that matter, what are you going to use to power your factories? Horses? Manure?

Without imported energy and raw materials, you'd be poorer than Africa. And without natural gas for the Haber process(fertilizer), you'd starve.

>>510886990
Russia is making huge progress towards a more democratic market based economy and away from communism. They want to be like the USA. If we are patient they can eventually create a middle class. USA's middle class wasn't invented over night, and we were the first in the world to create one. Right now their oligarchs have created a super presidency with no checks and balances. They aren't our enemy, they are wanting to join us.

>>510887370
The name of the man was Haber-Bosch, you should know this, because his genius is whats feeding russian subhuman mouths to this day.
But thank you for providing another example of german excellence in your schizophrenic stupor.
Really funny.
So let me add
>Extremely high number of breakthrough scientific discoveries

>>510883408
> own nation

LOL it belongs to banker elites and pedos. Its even worse in Oinkraine. Similar level of corruption as Russia, except Russia doesn't need to brown nose US at every opportunity.

>>510887517
>They want to be like the USA.
No they don't. Again, ideology is not an end. It is a means to an end. From the perspective of states, the only end in this world is power. Russia moved away from communism because it was a geopolitical deadend.

As for "wanting to join us". I have no fucking idea what that means. Being trannies and importing niggers?

>>510887640
I'm pro-German, retard. I'm 1/8th German. The rest Anglo. The point is, it doesn't matter how smart you are if you have no resources. Europe ceased to be powerful once it lost its colonies.

The real question is, why did Europe lose its colonies? Also, there is only one European power that kept its colonies.

>>510887711
>the only end in this world is power.
That is a huge assumption, most Russians wouldn't feel that way, my bet is Russian's want income equality, less oligarch dominance, generous welfare, affordable housing, strong labor protections ect.. Just as the wester powers are striving for for everybody.

>>510882125 (OP)
Simply because Ukraine is gayer than Russia. They're just picking the less faggy choice even though Putin is still a jew puppet who supports multiculturalism. He's just not *as* gay as Zelenski.

>>510888047
>That is a huge assumption,
No. That's reality. And always has been. Anyone who knows history knows this.

Do you even know who Machiavelli is you flaming faggot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOXl0Ll_t9s

>>510882125 (OP)
Putin is a fellow gamer, he likes grand strategy games. Plus, liking Putin, Stalin, and being pro-Russia makes a lot of nafoids and butthurt belters seethe. That alone is satisfying. Z.

>>510888190
>Machiavelli
kek, the only flaming cock sucker is you. You keep posting all these men you worship and suck off.

>>510888047
>Russian's want income equality, less oligarch dominance, generous welfare, affordable housing, strong labor protections ect.
The Russian people are completely controlled by propaganda, just like everyone else. With that said, America is worse than Russia on almost every metric you listed. America just has more money. And the reason we have more money is because we have the privileges of the dollar(see world's reserve currency, financial system, trade deficit, etc).

>>510887950
I do not give a fuck about your LARP.
You have no clue about Germany or its accomplishments.
>if you have no resources
The world could not run without Israeli dates.

>>510888393
>America is worse than Russia on almost every metric
We have a 50% middle class whereas Russia has a very fragmented unstable middle class of 28%. They are controlled by propaganda because of the super presidency, they need shorter term limits and checks and balances.

>>510888536
Nice dodge there faggot. Because you know it's true. Why do you think Germany lost WWI and WWII? Resources and resources.

Regardless, the question is, what can we do about it?

>>510882660
This. There's the basic argument of supporting Russia as the lesser of two evils for being more conservative than the West, but there's the larger geopolitical argument that forcing the Western government to divert resources to defend against Russia means they can't use those resources against us. All the borders in eastern Europe are only like 70 years old, so I hardly care about any changes in them.

>>510888393
USA could be more like Denmark, they are doing better than everyone.

>>510882958

Nice German car retard, why can't Russia build something as good as a 3rd gen golf?

>>510888710
>We have a 50% middle class
Rofl, no. Plus Russia has much higher home ownership, and a more European-style welfare system.

As for super presidency, we're Nazis here, retard. Democracy is just a hidden oligarchy you fucking child. Go learn how the real world works and stop talking like a fucking woman.

>>510882125 (OP)
A former KGB agent inspires so much more respect than career bureaucrats.

>>510889038
>USA could be more like Denmark, they are doing better than everyone.
God. What is with you fucking women who know nothing about economics running your fucking yappers? No, the whole world can't be Denmark you blithering imbecile, or Norway, or whatever other American subsidized socialist shithole you imagine.

>>510888769
What dodge
>Iron for muh tanks
They still have some mines but no, Germany was never full of resources, and that did never stop them before.
It is kind of crazy to look at Norway and Russia for a good comparison what a civilized society can accomplish vs. a bunch of oprichnik mindfucked alcoholics.

>>510889333
>American subsidized socialist
Norway is rich because it has alot of resources and created a fund for a part of all sales from these resources.
You know, how non-subhumans treat a community resource.

>>510889196
Home ownership isn't the defining metric for "strong" middle class for example education, income, savings for retirement ect..

>>510889337
>Germany was never full of resources, and that did never stop them before.
Germany was getting iron from Sweden/Norway. Why do you think Hitler invaded and occupied Norway? They also took the oil fields of Romania. Without which Hitler himself said the war would have been lost before it even got started.

Regardless, Germany lost because of the combined resources of America and the Soviet Union. If Germany had America's resources, it would have won easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec

Regardless, you can't do anything without resources. It is a plain and self-evident fact. Not sure why you insist on arguing with me about it.

>>510889448
>Norway is rich because it has alot of resources and created a fund for a part of all sales from these resources.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

You economically-illiterate fuck. Where do you think that "sovereign wealth fund" is invested? What is the financial system anyway? How does it work?

Holy fuck you're retarded. That shit could go to zero tomorrow. It's just crypto-lite.

>>510882125 (OP)
it's like using hitler's on your profile pic. makes you look edgy.

>>510889473
I really don't give a fuck. Suffice you say, you're a flaming faggot. And no one gives a fuck about "muh democracy". Democracy is fake and gay, and the only reason it is exists is because America is powerful. Go read Hans-Hermann Hoppe and stop being a fucking trannie.

>>510882369
Yeah but vids of Moscow and. St Petersberg look lit and modern as fuck.

>>510890171
>you're a flaming faggot.
Poor argument is that your concession? America got power from the republic not the democracy, the republic wanted power by the people and thus created the constitutional republic with democratic elements. You don't take power, you earn it.

>>510889448
>>510889688
>let me add
The reason Norway is rich is oil. Period. Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking moron or liar. It's just Kuwait but also leeching off the "Western"(American) financial system.

>>510889688
>Where do you think that "sovereign wealth fund" is invested?
In golden toilets and stripper poles for the President of Norway, of course.
Where else? The people? Infrastructure? Healthcare? Education? Gibs?
Nah, that would be socialism, and thats what commies do.

>>510890426
I recommend you work on your reading comprehension.

>>510882825
GDR fanboys?

>>510890426
>we are nazis
>we are controlled by propaganda
>go read all this propaganda
rofl

>>510890354
America is powerful because it conquered a continent, genocided the natives, and stole the resources. It had absolutely nothing to do with muh democracy, or muh republic, or any other nonsense. There's nothing special about America except to the extent it is the luckiest country in history, with no rivals in our entire hemisphere. Which allows us to meddle all over the world. What do you think the Zimmerman telegram was about?

having a russian flag is just an insane bait lol, I love it when someone gets triggered by it and starts malding in chat

>>510890431
wtf are you ranting about.

>>510890509
I linked Norway's export treemap. It's all oil, gas, other commodities, and fish.

I was trying to explain that Norway's business model is not replicable. So anyone who says we should be more like Norway is a fucking moron who knows absolutely nothing about economics/finance.

>>510890940
>wtf are you ranting about.
About investing Norways oil money, you fucking illiterate monkey.
Its so funny how fucking stupid you are.

>>510890940
>I was trying to explain that Norway's business model is not replicable
Of course it is - by countries with a lot of resources. Like Russia.
But why is Russia a poor shithole and Norway isnt? Does Norway have superoil? Are Russians stupid?

What happens to Russian Oil Money?
What happens to Norwegian Oil Money?

>>510891028
>About investing Norways oil money
Explain to me how that works and why it is a good thing and why others don't do it.

Stop just repeating rhetoric and learn something.

>>510891134
>Of course it is - by countries with a lot of resources. Like Russia.
No, retard. Norway not only has 1/30th the population of Russia, but Russia is not anchored into the western financial system in the same way Norway is because Russia is not a US vassal.

>>510891144
>What happens to Russian Oil Money?
Sure, just please answer this question first.
You might learn something!
>>510891355
>1/30th the population
Damn, if only Russia had 1000x times the land with resources.
>>510891355
>Russia is not anchored into the western financial system in the same way Norway is because Russia is not a US vassal.
>i-i-its not ruskis fault!
>DO NOT ASK WHAT HAPPENS TO RUSSIAN OIL MONEY NAFOTROON!!!!

>>510891134
>What happens to Russian Oil Money?
The military. Infrastructure. Domestic subsidies. Various other internal investments.
>What happens to Norwegian Oil Money?
Most oil revenue is spent domestically. Since the cost of producing a barrel of oil for Norway is usually 60% of the cost(plus transportation/export costs). So the vast majority of the oil revenue stays in the Norwegian economy through jobs and such. The remaining is put into essentially global market funds. Which on the surface do nothing, but in fact give Norway collateral for low-interest loans for other investments.

>>510892403
>The military. Infrastructure. Domestic subsidies. Various other internal investments.
So
>Most oil revenue is spent domestically.
Your words were
>I was trying to explain that Norway's business model is not replicable
And you just explained to me how they are the exact same in your own words.
Thank you.

>>510891952
>Damn, if only Russia had 1000x times the land with resources.
Russia doesn't have 1000x the oil. And it definitely doesn't have 1000x the captive markets.

For example, Norway exports 1/3rd as much oil with 1/30th the population. Which means Norway exports 10x more oil per-capita than Russia.

Moreover, Norway's oil export receipts about half of Russia's because Norway has more lucrative markets to sell to. So Norway has 15x more per-capita oil revenue.

These things aren't remotely comparable you dumb motherfucker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_exports

>>510892631
>And you just explained to me how they are the exact same in your own words.
No they're not, retard. See >>510892637

These are orders of magnitude different. Moreover, Norway is essentially a US vassal under the NATO security umbrella. Russia is actually a sovereign and independent state(empire). Russia is a great power. Norway is a weak cuckold.

>>510892637
>And it definitely doesn't have 1000x the captive markets.
Yes, China is an incredible small market, especially during their industrial booms.
Its understandable russia has trouble with such markets.
>Where do you think that "sovereign wealth fund" is invested?
In the exact same things Russia is investing them officially.
Except they are mostly actually doing it...

>>510892797
>The military. Infrastructure. Domestic subsidies. Various other internal investments.

>Most oil revenue is spent domestically.

>No wait, I didnt mean it like that!
lol

>>510892887
China doesn't want to become dependent on Russia. Moreover, "influence" in terms of international relations is really about "dependency". So a lot of time your trade partners and trade deals are designed around countries where you want to improve relations, not just about economic advantages.

For example, the real reason Russia began building pipelines to Europe during the Cold War was not for the revenue, but for the influence. Russia's goal was to buy Germany off. To basically convince them to choose Russia over America.

Don't you remember the old saying about NATO... "To keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down."

Even if Russia could make more money selling to China, from a geopolitical perspective, Russia will always favor Europe.

Do you understand? You seem to think the world is just a capitalist struggle. No it's a managed economic system based on geopolitics. The goal is not to get rich for the sake of being rich. But because money is power. The only thing that matters in this world is power.

Russia isn't poorer than western europe because they're incompetent. They're playing the geopolitical game the best way they can. Which includes a hostile west/sanctions/etc.

And for that matter, Europe is only rich because America built them up and anchored them into our financial system(see Bretton Woods, and later the petrodollar). Without America, Europe would be poorer than Africa.

>>510893026
There was no contradiction. The only difference between Norway and Russia is that Norway throws some of the excess profits beyond production/labor/transportation/export costs into a fund which I suppose is nice to wave around, but it doesn't really do anything until it's spent. Moreover, that fund is completely dependent on being on good terms with other countries since the fund is almost always invested in foreign markets.

I'm sure you recall that Russia's foreign investments/assets were all confiscated at the start of the Ukraine War, and are being slowly given to Ukraine.

So no, Russia cannot do the same thing. Please shut up you're completely derailing this conversation with total nonsense.

>>510888302
Putin can grow a beard?.. or stubble?

>>510893585
>Russia isn't poorer than western europe because they're incompetent
You are right. It is because they are incompetent, corrupt, and have a population that was mindfucked by the Oprichniks.

You are correct in that it doesnt matter how much wealth they have - their population will never profit from it.

>Russia's goal was to buy Germany off
>America bought them off.
So, what happened?

>>510893851
>Moreover, that fund is completely dependent on being on good terms with other countries since the fund is almost always invested in foreign markets.
But enough about russias entire state budget.

>>510882125 (OP)

>>510882125 (OP)
Being misguided i guess. At least when they did it with hitler or the merchant meme it's kinda factual, but now its like a curated outlet of frustration where they remove the main enemy from the og to a crypto jew that is backed by jewish billionaires that is slightly different to them.

>>510894092
>You are right. It is because they are incompetent, corrupt, and have a population that was mindfucked by the Oprichniks.
Good lord. You're a waste of time.

>America bought them off.
America didn't buy Germany off. We bought off the Eastern Europoors and blew up Nordstream. Thereby forcing Germany's hand.

We built Germany up as a wall against Russian expansion during the Cold War because Germany was the main contact point. But as NATO moves east, Germany becomes irrelevant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Europe_and_New_Europe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcj8xN2UDKc

>>510882475
>language english
you didnt post any proof for your claim, asshole.
most pro russoids are deranged angloids that somehow think that russians are based because they torture pow's or something. theyre just mentally ill.

>>510882125 (OP)
Cyber warriors, Lahtab bpts
>>510882660
this

I'm left and it hell for me. But all rightoids are happy right now

>>510882125 (OP)
Russians are good at Counter Strike

>>510890602
> genocided the natives,
I'm living proof that isn't the case

>>510894933
>I'm living proof that isn't the case
Genocide doesn't require killing, retard. You can wipe out an ethnicity without killing them. It's called forced assimilation, indoctrination, propaganda, etc.

>>510894527
>Good lord. You're a waste of time.
You are saying systemic corruption doesnt waste untold amounts of russian resources?
Okay, I disagree.
>We bought off the Eastern Europoors and blew up Nordstream.
>We built Germany up as a wall against Russian expansion during the Cold War
There is 80 years between these events. Did Russia just completely fail at gaining influence or new markets in this time?

Why did Russia threaten Europe with FRROOOOZING when they actually would have LOVED to keep dealing with Europa?
Was losing the entire European market for parts of the Donbas really a winning play if they prefer Europa like you say?

Are russians incompetent?

>>510882125 (OP)
>>510882125 (OP)
>>510882125 (OP)

>>510895383
>You are saying systemic corruption doesnt waste untold amounts of russian resources?
There's corruption everywhere you retarded nigger. You really need to be more specific. Waste them on what? Moreover, define waste, and explain what they should be doing instead.

>There is 80 years between these events. Did Russia just completely fail at gaining influence or new markets in this time?
Russia "gave up" on the Cold War because China had essentially sided with America(see Sino-Soviet split, Opening of China, Nixon/Kissinger, etc), and the United States was promoting Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle-East because it was anti-communist(including funding madrasas alongside our ally Saudi Arabia). Basically, Russia understood that time wasn't on its side. So it attempted to do what China did and "open" up to foreign markets(see Glasnost and Perestroika). The West did everything it could to undermine the Soviet Union because it wasn't interested in a Soviet behemoth entering its markets. The Russian strategy thus was to essentially become as unthreatening as possible while also increasing economic ties to Europe(especially Germany). Russia agreed to significant nuclear/military disarmament, and "deindustrialized" most of its industries as to not compete with European industry.

The strategy was thus to build gas pipelines which would function as a massive subsidy to German industry. Allowing Germany to become much richer, which would likewise subsidize the entire EU. Eventually, this would lead to integration with Russia and Germany/Europe.

The United States doesn't want that, and has done everything it can to antagonize Russia, and to create a schism between Russia and Europe(especially Germany). When everything else failed, we blew up nordstream to force Germany's hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72HrccCDPhc

It's also why we hacked Merkel's phone. Merkel was opposed to everything. From NATO expansion to the 2014 coup.

>>510895383
>Why did Russia threaten Europe with FRROOOOZING when they actually would have LOVED to keep dealing with Europa?
Other than some random people on Russian TV, Russia never threatened Europe with freezing. Putin said repeatedly he would respect all contracts signed with the EU. The only issues that arose were over Ukrainians stealing gas like always.

>Was losing the entire European market for parts of the Donbas really a winning play if they prefer Europa like you say?
Russia's hand was forced, retard. If Putin had simply wanted the Donbas he would have done it in 2014 when it was easy. The war is not about the Donbas. It's about America's attempt to encircle/overextend Russia.

Why don't you read a fucking book for once you fucking retard.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVXzwnU1H6U&t=355s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCr0_E742k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHm_7T7QNl8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPZNRZNvwCU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wB9uL2lKaw

>>510896295
>You really need to be more specific.
Russia has higher Corruption than Norway and this is one of the factors why Russia is poorer than Norway.
>>510896295
>Russia "gave up" on the Cold War
>Giving up in the geopolitical struggle for power that determines life or death
Guess it was a gesture of good will.
Or maybe you meant to say
They lost, their power projection and structures went away, and the military subjugation of their sattelite states could no longer be guaranteed?

>Russia understood that time wasn't on its side. So it attempted to do what China did and "open" up to foreign markets(see Glasnost and Perestroika). The West did everything it could to undermine the Soviet Union because it wasn't interested in a Soviet behemoth entering its markets.
lol
Yes anon, Russia gave a gesture of good will and dissassembled the Soviet Union but those perfidious anglos and euros were afraid of the market might of the newly formed Russia, which is why they managed to completely annhilate this new market (I guess they were more competent than Russia and are now Richer as a result? wait no, you said thats not the case)
What the flying fucking historic revisionism is this.

>>510896807
>Putin said repeatedly he would respect all contracts signed with the EU.
You mean this Putin?
He is obviously very accustomed to lying.
It seems ill advised to take his word for granted.
Other words like "The Russians will attack Ukraine on February 22nd" were also spoken, and deemed more reliable.
While Lavrov posted John Travolta on maidan square btw.

>>510896852
>Russia has higher Corruption than Norway and this is one of the factors why Russia is poorer than Norway.
What is corruption? How is it measured? And what does it have to do with anything?

America is one of the most corrupt countries in the entire world. So fucking what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWeoeqXPOqQ

>They lost.
They "lost" because China switched sides, retard. Not only was Russia suddenly surrounded by two hostile great powers and face with a massive security dilemma on 2-3 fronts that bankrupted them, but cheap Chinese labor was subsidizing the "western" system. Had there been no Sino-Soviet split, America would have lost. It had nothing to do with whatever nonsense you imagine.

Even Richard Nixon says as much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsc6-hF1WTg&t=1353s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8LMwNCt2w&t=1844s

What you fail to understand is that this dynamic has almost entirely reversed. It is now America and its European vassals vs pretty much the whole world. It's only a matter of time before this empire too collapses.

>Yes anon, Russia gave a gesture of good will and dissassembled the Soviet Union but those perfidious anglos and euros were afraid of the market might of the newly formed Russia, which is why they managed to completely annhilate this new market (I guess they were more competent than Russia and are now Richer as a result? wait no, you said thats not the case)
>What the flying fucking historic revisionism is this.
That has nothing to do with anything, retard. I said Russia voluntarily disarmed itself because it was the only way America/Europe would accept them. And Russia's primary geopolitical aim is to pry Germany away from America. With Germany goes Europe.

Which is why we had to blow up Nordstream. We cannot let Germany get away.

>>510897630
>I said Russia voluntarily disarmed itself because it was the only way America/Europe would accept them
Yes anon, Russia voluntarily disarmed itself (it, btw, did no such thing besides minor nuclear deproliferation) after using the arms to forcefully keep states inside the Union.
That is totally not an utopic fabrication and excuse for the crimes the central Communist Authority inflicted upon member states and its population.

>Which is why we had to blow up Nordstream.
Anon, there was Russian soldiers in Donbas 8 years before Nordstream exploded.

Your brain seems to have severe difficulties processing change during timeframes. You just lump together single events and then justify them all with "Russia was the good guy there".

It is an interesting, but quite common defect.

>>510896958
In all fairness, Russia didn't want to invade Ukraine. There was diplomacy going on behind the scenes. The problem was that Russia demanded that the west agree to not expand NATO to Ukraine. The West rejected Putin's demands.

The road to war began in September 2021 when Ukraine held joint-NATO operations in Ukraine. Which came right after the American pullout from Afghanistan. Zelensky admitted he knew in October 2021 that Russia would invade.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-holds-military-drills-with-us-forces-nato-allies-2021-09-20/

Putin had also written a long article in 2021 where he tried to pursued the Ukrainians not to the pursue the course they were on because it would "destroy their country". You can read it here.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf5xEBwBhds

Putin finally began sending troops near the border to show the west he was serious. The West continued to rebuke him. So he invaded, with a relatively small number of troops. And Ukraine nearly agreed to terms immediately after. But Boris Johnson showed up and told Ukraine if they signed anything with Russia the West would basically turn their backs on Ukraine. Feed them to the wolves.

https://x.com/citizenjournos_/status/1756061498051375435

>>510882369
>shitholes, says the memeflag

>>510898240
>In all fairness, Russia didn't want to invade Ukraine.
I am not dignify this schizophrenic nonsense with a reponse.
If Russia doesnt want to invade Ukraine they can stop sending men on motorbikes to draw fire.

>>510898240
>The road to war began
When Putin ordered Strelkov to start trouble in Ukraine, as Strelkov explained himself.

You ignore the presented webm that shows Putin directly lying, instead giving me more stuff from a source that is clearly unreliable.

That is your response to proof the source is unreliable: To give me more stuff from the source.

You either have an Agenda or you are mentally impaired.

>>510898214
>Russia voluntarily disarmed itself (it, btw, did no such thing besides minor nuclear deproliferation)
The two nuclear disarmament treaties would have reduced nuclear stockpiles by like 95%. Russia also agreed to other arms controls agreements such as intermediate missiles, among other things. It was the United States that backed out of those treaties, retard.

>after using the arms to forcefully keep states inside the Union.
Chechnya was not an SSR(IE it was never an independent state). It was an integral part of Russia. It's kind of like South Ossetia or Abkhazia in Georgia which the west is still crying about. Moreover, the Chechen War did not use nukes or really any heavy weapons. It was a relatively light conflict. Russia employing about 40k soldiers as something akin to a police action against largely irregular forces supported by foreign governments. In the end Russia largely granted Chechnya autonomy, and heavily subsidizes them to do this day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War

>That is totally not an utopic fabrication and excuse for the crimes the central Communist Authority inflicted upon member states and its population.
I was discussing events after the Cold War, retard. Every major European country committed all kinds of crimes in the past(see Germany). You're just being a nitpicking faggot because you want to argue. I was only here to explain Russian foreign-policy/strategy so you could better understand history.

>there was Russian soldiers in Donbas 8 years before Nordstream exploded.
Very few. Mostly they were some officers who helped organize the opposition, and they were lightly armed. Russia only began funneling in ground forces when Ukraine attempted a major operation as a backstop.

Regardless, what does America blowing up nordstream have to do with a few Russian special OPs in the Donbas?

>>510899322
Oh, so Russia DIDNT disarm itself.
Thanks for clarifying that.
We came from
>Russia VOLUNTARILY DISARMED ITSELF
to
>Russia didnt disarmed itself because of perfidious anglos

Every_single_one of your justification ended like this btw.
>It was anglos fault Russia lost Europe
>it was anglos fault the USSR crumbled
>it was anglos fault Russian economy was in super deep shit after the fall of the union
>it was the anglos fault Russian men on motorcycles are sent to draw fire from german-made weapons

Do you see the pathological thought pattern?

>>510898403
>I am not dignify this schizophrenic nonsense with a reponse.
War is literally politics by other means you fucking moron. Putin invaded when diplomacy failed. Period.

Putin felt like he had no choice because he saw NATO expansion into Ukraine as a existential threat. Which is the standard position for all the Russian elite. And it makes perfect fucking sense if you read the literature.

But eh, you don't like to read. So you just spout your retarded talking-points and waste everyone's time.

>>510898548
>When Putin ordered Strelkov to start trouble in Ukraine, as Strelkov explained himself.
Naa, the road to war was when Victoria Nuland orchestrated a coup. But that war would have been avoided had America not been arming/training Ukraine, holding joint-NATO exercises, and declaring that NATO would join Ukraine.

>>510899491
>Russia DIDNT disarm itself.
Not completely. But agreement for a 95% reduction is pretty fucking major, retard.

Anyway, I can't talk. Gotta go.

>>510899525
>And it makes perfect fucking sense if you read the literature.
Yes, a schizophrenics logic is sound in its own, perverted, misconstrued system. This is 0 difference and your desperate linkspamming and always coming to the conclusion
>it was the anglos fault
is very akin to that.

Now give me more of Putins schizobabble after I have proven he is a liar.

>>510899755
Yes.
Run, Subhuman Slave, run while you can.
Death To Putin
TZD

>>510882125 (OP)
hohol fatigue

>>510882125 (OP)
When a young man has his narratives destroyed, he reflexively goes running to the opposing side of the one who destroyed them.
Deep down he is desperate for meaning.
Instead of being a man and building his own narrative, he latches onto the fruits of evil men like a little faggot under the guise of "doin a little trollin"

>>510882125 (OP)
>Oy vey why won’t you hate russia stupid goyim!

>>510900601
Russia leaves Israel alone because, according to Putin, there are so many Russian Jews living there. Anti-Russia as Pro-Jew is brainlet tier propaganda.

>>510900601
1: it's a propaganda tool in western media (see: kremlin press release)
2: russia has a very rich history with gaming (crazy taxi, vka-konami wars, russian tank, etc)

>>510882125 (OP)
he's based

>>510882125 (OP)
Russian leaders are popular in games