If Ukraine is winning... - /pol/ (#510918373) [Archived: 286 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: +b9KhOAbUnited Kingdom
7/20/2025, 11:49:17 PM No.510918373
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why is Zelensky begging for an immediate peace summit with Putin? Is Zelensky playing 4D chess here or is it ogre?
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Anonymous ID: 9UcNy+AEMorocco
7/20/2025, 11:50:18 PM No.510918436
>>510918373 (OP)
The grift is over. Time to bail to Israel.
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Anonymous ID: +b9KhOAbUnited Kingdom
7/20/2025, 11:53:35 PM No.510918672
>>510918436
>press ganging Ukrainians
>then escaping to Israel
Almost as if NAFO are IDF.
Anonymous ID: jnX6D1e0Japan
7/20/2025, 11:59:12 PM No.510919075
He's just going to do the same shit he did every time. If Russia fall for it again then they're truly retarded.
>ask for a ceasefire while they "negotiate peace"
>use that period to rearm and reorganize another defensive line
>demand Russia give back all the land they've taken, the Crimea, extra land inside Russia, and pay reparation
>call them a warmonger when they refuse
>start another offensive
Anonymous ID: xaCNiR/bUnited States
7/21/2025, 12:14:49 AM No.510920308
its over
its over
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>>510918373 (OP)
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Anonymous ID: xXm7rpcdUnited Kingdom
7/21/2025, 12:19:02 AM No.510920585
>>510918373 (OP)
Nobody thinks Ukraine is going to march to Moscow.

The fact that they haven’t capitulated to the largest country on earth for 3 years is winning.

If Russia took all of Ukraine tomorrow, it would still have been more costly than could be justified, and NATO would be the real winners as they can support a costly insurgency.


Cope and seethe Russia shills.
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Anonymous ID: OQYzhCwRUnited Kingdom
7/21/2025, 12:22:02 AM No.510920764
>>510918373 (OP)
If Ukriane retains state hood and ends up joining the EU then Putin has failed. So how is pursuing peace under these terms perceived as a massive L?
Anonymous ID: +b9KhOAbUnited Kingdom
7/21/2025, 12:27:22 AM No.510921149
>>510920585
I agree. NATO are the biggest winners, then Russia. Ukraine only loses.
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Anonymous ID: wwIWfYtESwitzerland
7/21/2025, 12:27:47 AM No.510921176
It's just to remind Trump that russia doesn't want peace when they once again reject all demands.
Anonymous ID: iRyU6/SUGermany
7/21/2025, 12:31:08 AM No.510921426
>>510920585
> more costly than could be justified
Thank you for worrying about the price that Russia is willing to pay for the maintenance of their national sovereignty.
Anonymous ID: xXm7rpcdUnited Kingdom
7/21/2025, 12:31:54 AM No.510921477
>>510921149
China wins before Russia by getting more influence over their collapsing state.

Russia and Ukraine both lose, everyone else wins. Even Saudi Arabia is winning by increased oil price
Anonymous ID: SdvQ9jA/United States
7/21/2025, 12:44:38 AM No.510922373
Ukraine genuinely wants to not be bombed
Anonymous ID: 9Ar4qwYuGermany
7/21/2025, 12:47:29 AM No.510922591
>>510918373 (OP)
The US needs the war in Ukraine to end so that it can bomb Iran, and then China.
Zelensky has been told to get a ceasefire.
Anonymous ID: Cax4vFLGAustralia
7/21/2025, 12:49:49 AM No.510922754
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>>510918373 (OP)
>ukraine
>winning
Anonymous ID: 7EGHj25aCanada
7/21/2025, 12:58:10 AM No.510923358
>>510918373 (OP)
Speaking as someone who doesn't really give a shit which gang of retarded slavs wins the slavbowl, my guess is that they see Trump is frustrated with Putin stonewalling him on peace talks and really wants the propaganda win of negotiating peace, so they position themselves as seeking peace talks so that Trump will see them as being more cooperative with him than the Russians and therefore side with them in terms of aid, support, pressure against Russia, etc.

There's not really any disadvantage to them doing this because Russia is currently still aiming for a total victory. If Putin suddenly came to the table and agreed to a ceasefire or peace along current lines then the Ukrainians would be fairly screwed because they'd never get that land back (once the war goes cold they can't really heat it up without giving Russia a significant propaganda edge as defenders), but it seems very unlikely he'll come to the table.

So it seems like a safe gambit.