Why are you sacrificing Palestinians en masse to cling to a few Israelis?

>>510927533 (OP)
Oh gee, this totally means all those kids and women getting droned and air striked is absolutely ok. Thank you op for showing me the light

>>510927533 (OP)
>Why are you sacrificing Palestinians en masse to cling to a few Israelis?
How are Palestinians being sacrificed by Pro-Palis?
Israel has been mindlessly killing Palestinians since the 40s.

>>510927636
They lose Palestinians daily because they refuse to let go of a few hostages.
Admittedly it's not my call to make whether it's currently bad but their own side certainly seems to think so.

>>510927608
Pretending the collaterals are the catch convinces nobody.

>>510927737
Kikes will use any excuse to murder palestinainas theyve been doing it for 80 years and they worship Satan

>>510927822
They are the target, stop being retarded

>>510927737
Israel has time and time again rejected a ceasefire, just this past may they rejected one that would've released the hostages.
Bibi is extending the war to avoid persecution for what he's done, even Israelis are unhappy with him, or so they claim.

>>510927533 (OP)
wish that were me

>>510927636
Your country is pro Israel

>>510927533 (OP)
>Hamas and all the palestinians are the same

Do kikes really think that goys are that stupid?

>>510927822
Kekfuel if you actually believe this you are retarded.

>>510927851
So why the hostages then?
You're just legitimising their excuses with that.

Towhat end?

>>510927737
Israeli prisons are full of Palestinian hostages who Jews rape daily.

>>510927928
Right, the greedy kikes are totally goibg to waste valuable munitions on worthless Palestinians.

>>510927936
You mean the one where you stalled for time with delusional demands and let a temporary ceasefire expire just to pretend they broke it? I remember.

Serms pretty stupid to help Bibi by providing him cover to extend a war you suffer far worse from.

>>510927737
>implying jews weren’t bombing Gaza daily before Oct 7, 2023

Lmao

>>510927533 (OP)
nuke them both

>>510928224
It’s not their munitions you drooling moron. They are actively killing everyone on the US dime
Are you genuinely fucking stupid? It’s like you have done zero research in this topic

>>510928073
The reality of the ongoing situation implies most people believe it though, so you're probably going to have to adress that even if you desperately don't want to.

>>510927533 (OP)
Because they want dead Palis. Hamas wants as many Palis dead as possible. Why do you think they constantly record gore porn? It’s so they can get the UN liberals to give them more money. If they had no hostages left alive right now, they’d lie about it just to keep the bombs falling. Hamas and Israel have one thing in common. They don’t care how many Palis die.

>>510928144
Prisoners aren't hostages and Gaza is no state.

>>510928259
Well if it's unchanged then it's apparantly all just the usual arabic melodrama and we can safely ignore it.

>>510927533 (OP)
>what if we could get one of enemies to kill our other enemies
A story as old as time. Hamas are only interested in smoking kikes invading their homeland. All the head choppers work for Mossad and the CIA.

>>510928298
Nice excuses, but US supplies are not infinite as Ukraine has illustrated abundantly well.
Bad time to be a shill for Palestine in that sense.

But why are we even talking sbout this, there's a simple question this thread is about:
Why Palestinians sacrificing Palestinians en masse to cling to a few Israelis?

>>510927988
The government, not the people. Unfortunately most ME countries are compromised, but we also don't want to give them an excuse to go through with their Greater Israel plan.

>>510928224
No? They've rejected countless ceasefires and broken countless ones too, are you intentionally acting in bad faith or what?
Israel doesn't actually care about the hostages, if the indiscriminate mass bombing doesn't convince you of that I dunno what will.

>>510928489
So why aren't the pro-Palestinian idiots attacking those then?
That would put Israel and its supporters in a very tough bind - if such claims were to be true of course.

Just imagine how hilarious it would be to force Israel to execute its own mangy pets.

>>510928553
If you’re going to dismiss basic truths, it’s sad. You have not done any research and you made this thread to show everyone ITT that you’re a fucking idiot lol
You love watching kids die too, what a massive fuck up you are

>>510927533 (OP)
I always wonder when I see kike propaganda like this: who is this for?
clearly it's not for women because this would turn them on
probably not for incels because she voted for it.
is it for girl-dad faggots and tradcons to larp about protecting women from their own bad choices? maybe
I don't know who sees this and thinks "gottem!" you'd have to already be a kike, basically

>>510928614
Then why not just release the hostages?

>>510928614
And yet the last one was exactly as i described, so how do you account for that?
Or did you lie about the previous ones too?

And if Israeldoesn't care about the hostages then it's even dumber to not let them go immediately and without preconditions, since they are then obviously not trading for themand all they do is make Gazans look vile and Israel look justified.

>>510927533 (OP)
your all a bunch a goofs the land changes hands every twenty years to install the new genetic mixtape so the world keeps getting those fresh memes

>>510928686
You seem worried kike.

>>510927533 (OP)
Based. Just makes me like Hamas more.

>>510928839
>girl-dad faggots
have a nap, man

>>510928702
Look i'm familiar with the shill talking points (who isn't at this point), so if you can't adress the dismantlement of your argumentation and offer anything other than these attempted distractions we're just gonna return to the original question: >>510927533 (OP)
Why are Palestinians sacrificing Palestinians en masse to cling to a few Israelis?

>>510928843
>>510928875
An attempt at having some leverage? Maybe to show the world that Israel doesn't even care about their hostages?
Plus how would releasing them even go? They'd shoot any 3rd parties on sight, then blame it on Hamas. Not even kidding.

Also here's an article from an Israeli newspaper admitting that the IDF doesn't care about the hostages https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-idf-document-lists-returning-hostages-as-least-important-war-goal/
All they care about is prolonging the war.

>>510928907
About what? Absent reasoning for retaining the hostages?
That's more curiosity really.

Can't blame a guy for noticing such a glaring hole in the narrative of such a loud protesting minority.

>>510929040
You are in denial of basic facts, and are doing so in an unintelligent way. What kind of retard makes a thread like this? Do you enjoy being mocked? You’re even confused right now and can’t see the answer I clear gave you. LOL

>>510927737
>They lose Palestinians daily because they refuse to let go of a few hostages.
Israel just kills jewish hostages anyway, so as long as Netanyahu is in power those jews are safer with Hamas.

>>510927533 (OP)
Why do kikes only post drawings while the proof they are committing genocide is enough to cause Netanyahu to be wanted in most of the world?

>>510929008
>girl-dad faggots
you know who I mean, old school feminism like
>we must protect women from their own retarded decisions
or else, what is this comic trying to say?

>>510928839
It's a pro israel angle
>you hate muslims
>israel hate muslims
>so we're allies
Every kosherservative show does this

>>510929097
What makes you think the IDF cares about the hostages? They don’t. They’re just an excuse to keep up the attacks. Hamas wants the attacks to continue though. They want Israel to have the excuse. This shit is how they get the UN and rich oil inbreds from the gulf states to give them money. Hamas has openly stated that Jews killing their people and making them into martyrs is their goal.

>>510929097
An attempt was made, sure, but thereby they signal that they are willing to sacrifice their own in an attempt to preserve that leverage. Incriminating themselves.

And Israel has a rather easy way out of that one too, given that the scale and agression involved from the Paledtinian side of the raid gives them a very reasonable excuse to value dismantlement (prevention of new hostages) over rescueing older ones. So i'd say Hamas really screwed the pooch with that.

And you can try to blame the IDF for prolingueing the war but clinging to the hostages is exactly what allows them to do that.

>>510929168
What a nice attempted distraction, but why don't we just get back to business and get to the bottom of why Palestinians apparantly consider ~60 dead Palestinians a day fair trade for a single set of ~60 moretheless alive Israelis plus whatever Hamas occasionally kills.

Seems an obviously poor trade if you ask me.

>>510929336
you're probably right, it's a boomer facebook meme, but isn't it circular in a way?
kosherservatives will already hate the rainbow flag woman. but if hamas kills her, then that's a bad thing somehow?
or it's like schadenfreude, kind of?
I think you're probably right though.

>>510929228
...Soo why are they working for Israel now?
I would have a tough talk with my boss if i kept his kids safe but had to pay him to do it.

Cultural differences i'm sure.

>>510927533 (OP)
We should be sacrificing Israeli en masse.

>>510927533 (OP)
Hamas takes hostages and sends them back, assuming Israeli missiles don't blow them to bits first.
Israel murders allied servicemen in false flag attacks.

>>510929618
Hey to us it's all fair game to get the ovens going.
Were jews still numerous today we'd burn them but nowadays muslims are the annoying brown menace so yeah.

Israelis just a tool in that sense, but that doesn't even matter for the question i'm asking as it's just a genuine glaring hole in the pro-Palestinian narrative and such things vex me.

So it's less ideological and more autistical, so to speak.

>>510929577
You suck so bad at this, lol
You were better off not even trying. If you ever debated irl you would cry
Genuinely don’t understand how people like you even exist

>>510929707
If we're using the same method then we need to get Israel to do that

>>510929788
Cool story, doesn't fit the practice since Hamas is effectively sacrificing like ~60 ish Palestinians daily to keep 60ish hostages in its grasp.

>>510929920
Interesting, all you are left with is ad homs and this is what you come up with?

Just answer the simple question if you've any content at all, i'm still hungry for a proper answer, and judging by the peoples involvef the answer can't be too complicated (naturally i have theories aplenty, but i need unambiguous confirmation).

>>510929618
actually they would say that muslims/hamas don't share our western liberals values and that includes being gay etc
which is true
their leap is then that you should ignore a genocide because of that and they equate support for palestinians for support for hamas

>>510929855
>>510929977
>>510930136
The most egregious Islamic terrorism is directly funded by Mossad. Ask yourself why ISIS never attempts attacks in Israel, and actively apologizes to Israel when Jews get caught up in Syrian attacks. Ask yourself how the jew who owned the twin towers knew to take out an insurance claim for terrorism days before 9/11.
You're European so you can't "zoom out", you're emotionally invested in not liking Muslims.

>>510927533 (OP)
Free Palestine=/= Supporting terrorists

>>510930397
I am familiar with islam's tendency to attempt to blame others for its own crimes and faults, and thus i am unimpressed.

And yes i do dislike muslims a great deal, but none of these things you have mentioned have ever withstood my scrutiny knowing islam's nature.

athat's the thing you see, i do not beliebe Israel's version because they are trustworthy (they are not), rather i listen to Israel's enemies knowing they are yet worse. And then i poke and prod them until they unintentionally reveal the truth - through questions such as what i ask here.

If there is innocense in Gaza then show me by answering the question:

Why are Palestinians sacrificing Palestinians en masse to cling to a few Israelis?

>>510930450
In the context of this war it kinda is though, the good Palestinians are not at war, not being bombed, not being discussed or even referenced here before this.

Though sadly their savage Gazan brethren did somewhat justify Israel's treatment of the westbank by showing what happens when they are too lenient as with Gaza.

Yids fuck kids

>>510928373
When Jews commit atrocities it's called war. When Palestinians go to war it's called terrorism.

>>510930959
Its a genocide not a war. Most of the casualties are regular people.

>>510927822
How many Palestinian children have been slaughtered since Oct 6 or whatever their dumb justification of genocide is. It's like 30,000 or more, right?

>>510931263
Not really, that's just an excuse for Hamas' ineffectivity.
Besides Hamas did their best to protect Israel in this regard by initiating the conflict, knowing full well that Gaza does not have the space to separate military and civilian matters.
It didn't help either that they managed to make it unambiguous that their own attack was primarily terroristic in intent and nature.

>>510927533 (OP)
I'll answer it: israel has for years been slowly genociding/ethnically cleansing palestinians
They get away with it when it's slow and quiet
With the Hamas attack israel was forced into a big loud reaction
the result is economic destruction in israel.
Hamas managed to halt all the abraham accord stuff
Tourism destroyed. Eliat port bankrupt from Based Houthis
Also israel's #1 weapon is western support and this has damaged it a lot.
israel support has probably peaked and will go downhill from here
this was is also damaging the idf and their moral
you can say Hamas is sacrificing civilians. But these are civilians that israel want to kill/displace eventually anyway
at least Hamas has forced the issue and not allowed israel the quiet incremental route.
I can't say if that makes it was worth it.

>>510930959
You are disgusting if you support Israel's open genocide of Palestinians and as mass child murder. How many of those children were involved in Oct 6th? Or is this just blood libel doctrine now?

>>510931378
Yeah that's what happens when a city state is stupid enough to start a war on its territory, still not a grnocide though.
Even just the voluntary nature of it rules that out, and holding on to the hostages is abundant illustration of that.

Another part of the reason i'm asking this question.

>>510931515
I have no idea mate, i don't believe any accurate statistics on the matter exist.

>>510927533 (OP)
Do can say what you want but ..
Now US get Vietnam wars 2.0 and 3.0 at the same time make me happy.

>>510931685
Its not a war, either. You don't bomb millions of innocent people for 13 months straight and still think youre the good guy.

>>510931544
>Besides Hamas did their best to protect Israel in this regard by initiating the conflict
this is a 100 year old conflict. It was not started by Hamas

>>510931622
That kinda justifies Israel entirely by identifying all of this suffering as a tactic by Hamas, making perpetrator and victim one and the same.

It seems like a tactic designed for a world that no longer exists, and perhaps that has never existed.

>>510931725
This was a good and informative reply. The fuck did you even post for? Retard.

>>510931676
Those kids die by their own people's fault, not Israel's.
I do not support Israel in any practical meaningful way but if i did want to get involved in striking at the ones respinsible for the kids' suffering i'd be forced to aid Israel, for they end the perpetrators.

>>510931893
most people in the world don't see israel as the victim. shabbos goys like you are the minority

>>510931862
You kinda do though, that's what Hamas apparantly did not understand.
I mean we've literally destroyed Raqqah and IS for much less, killed many more than just the ten thousands in Gaza.

What's so special about Gaza?
Everybody has a sob story.

>>510932118
So you admit that Isreal is deliberately targeting innocent civilians and condone those actions?

>>510931871
Conflating the current one with the 100 year one does the Palestinians no favors, and worse it works towards the sentiment that this needs to finally get settled for a change.

And that would involve a genuine genocide, not this excuse for one.
Millions of dead, not thousands.

>>510931997
>Israel is forced to commit genocide to protect itself
they've said this since the 40s

>>510931956
What's so upsetting about pointing out the obvious?

Gaza's mostly flat, its leadership repeatedly culled, the only other group in there with meaningful operational freedom is the IDF.
Who would even gather credible statistics at this point? There is literally no side with credible means or credible objectivity.

>>510932094
Reality implies otherwise, you might be mistaking a loud minority for something more. Muslims are good at that stuff, keep that in mind.

>>510932220
No? How'd you even get there from that post?

>>510932242
>Conflating the current one with the 100 year one does the Palestinians no favors
It does actually
>it works towards the sentiment that this needs to finally get settled for a change.
and in your mind that can only happen through violence
that's what the zionist say
but you should realize that they can't actually commit any of these genocides without western support

I'm not pro palestine I'm anti Israel

>>510932467
>>510931893
>>510932118

>>510932437
>Muslims are good at that stuff, keep that in mind
They are good at hasbara? okay schmuli

>>510932262
They can scarcrly prove the current "genocide" is that and even now i hear them openly talk about how they can stretch the definition to make it one in the legal sense.

All that screams is "We literally had to mangle legal definitions to make our disastrous war attempts look like a victim story" to me.

>>510927533 (OP)
based hamas?

>>510932481
Eh, if the muslims make genocide the only way out then i guess we might indeed end up supporting a genocide of the Palestinian people one day.

We'll discuss it when we get close to that but so far it does not look like they have the stomache to sacrifice their own people like that.

>>510932551
I think they call it taqqiyah or something, what's hasbara?

Eh i'm getting tired, see ya later, maybe.

>>510932629
>legal definitions
israel doesn't acknowledge stuff like that anyway

>what's hasbara?
>oh.. i have to run

>>510927533 (OP)
>Why can't the pro-Pali side answer this
Humans are capable of showing empathy even to their enemies.
Any other questions, kike?

>>510927533 (OP)
Israel created Hamas in the first place to thwart a two-state solution and justify subsequent Nakbas:

>For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/


>Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, disclosing in 1981 that he had been given a budget for funding Palestinian Islamists to counter the rising power of Palestinian secularists. Hamas, a spin-off of the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, was formally established with Israel’s support soon after the first Intifada flared in 1987 as an uprising against the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands.
>Israel’s objective was twofold: to split the nationalist Palestinian movement led by Arafat and, more fundamentally, to thwart the implementation of the two-state solution for resolving the protracted Israeli-Palestinian conflict. By aiding the rise of an Islamist group whose charter rejected recognizing the Israeli state, Israel sought to undermine the idea of a two-state solution, including curbing Western support for an independent Palestinian homeland.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2023/11/21/world/israel-failed-policy/

Some more breadcrumbs to follow:

https://files.catbox.moe/pb8rx2.mp4


And now, just to make things even more cartoonishly evil, Israel is insisting that the West take in the radicalized refugees:

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4297914-israeli-lawmakers-urge-world-leaders-to-accept-gaza-refugees/

It doesn't get much more geopolitically fucked than that. Even if you hate Palestinians, you should still resent Israel for trying to push the survivors onto us knowing damn well they're all now perma-jihadists.

>>510936517
It isn't limited to just Hamas, either. Israel also funds, supports, and sometimes even runs ISIS and al Qaeda, to use in proxy wars and false-flag operations.

ISIS attacked Israel only once, and that was by accident. As soon as it realized what it had done, ISIS apologized profusely to Israel.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-israel-defence-force-apology-attack-unit-golan-heights-defense-minister-moshe-ya-alon-a7700616.html

Israel provides medical aid to wounded ISIS and al Qaeda guerilla fighters:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/11/exclusive-israel-is-tending-to-wounded-syrian-rebels/

In at least one case, it was discovered that an ISIS leader was actually an Israeli jew Mossad agent:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/isis-commander-captured-libya-revealed-mossad-agent/231863/

By the way, Israel did 9/11.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4qwfH7QVpXM

https://archive.org/details/TexeMarrsWithGuestVictorThorn-TheZionistPlottersBehindThe9-11

Israel has a long history of using false-flag attacks against us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
>The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation, codenamed Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the summer of 1954. As part of a false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents", or "local nationalists"...

And let's not forget the USS Liberty:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZYjRREqUF0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JITBsNMcN8A

Israel's attack on the USS Liberty was a failed attempt at a false-flag operation. The plan was to sink the Liberty with no survivors and blame it on the Egyptians so that the U.S. would bomb Cairo and send in troops. Fortunately, the Liberty survived (but with 34 dead and 171 wounded). Unfortunately, shabbos goy President Lyndon Johnson (whose mistress, Mathilde Krim, was a Mossad agent) made sure the entire incident was swept under the rug, and the crew of the Liberty was threatened with court martial if they spoke to the press about what happened.

Here are some of the people who helped plan the 9/11 false-flag operation and carry it out: Ehud Barak, Ariel Sharon, Binyamin Netanyahu, Dov Zakheim, Michael Chertoff, Philip Zelikow, Ehud Olmert, Larry Silverstein, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and George W. Bush, along with the scores of Israeli operatives arrested by the FBI but ordered released by Chertoff and returned to Israel where they were lionized.

Nuke Tel Aviv as payback for 9/11 and give what's left of "Israel" back to the Palestinians.

Israel runs child sex-trafficking rings for blackmailing our politicians. Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Les Wexner were all working for Mossad, which is Israel's version of the CIA.

>>510927533 (OP)
I honestly don't believe they are. I would have thought the hostages would have been shot as soon as Israel started mass murdering Palestinian civilians. So the only explanation to me is that Mossad moles control the Hamas factions that are supposedly holding the hostages, and the IDF is deliberately avoiding making contact with them so as to have an excuse to continue the killing unabated. We know Israel funded Hamas through Qatar, and they keep claiming to know how many hostages are still alive. It makes sense that they used that money and influence to infiltrate Hamas and are now using the hostages to justify their turkey shoot of Palestinian civilians. I think Israel could release the hostages any time they want. They don't want to. They were willing to fire on their own citizens with a Mass Hannibal command on October 7th 2023 just to create more casualties and justify a violent response, why wouldn't they hold hostages to do the same?
Never underestimate jewish evil.

Think of the IDF's Gaza operation as a game of Battleship. We're now at the stage where every single space on the board has been shelled except the ones with the targets. They can't possibly keep missing. Yet they do. They just keep bombing the same areas and forcing civilians around. Because they don't want to hit the target. They don't want to sink the battleship. They don't want the game to end.

>>510927533 (OP)
We don't want to cling to any kikes like you. We want to free Palestine.