WTF is the cause of this?

measurement process alters result.
>>>/sci/

The observer influences the observed. All intelligent people know this.

transcendental idealism

>>510952296 (OP)
rendering bug in the engine
god said he will fix it in 2 more weeks

>>510952296 (OP)
The image you provided illustrates a classic experiment in quantum mechanics, often associated with the double-slit experiment, which demonstrates the wave-particle duality of light and matter. Here’s a breakdown of the concepts and a debunking of common misconceptions:

1. **Wave-Particle Duality**: The experiment shows that particles (like photons or electrons) can exhibit both wave-like and particle-like behavior. When detectors are turned on, particles behave like particles, creating a pattern consistent with individual impacts (like bullets). When detectors are off, they create an interference pattern, indicative of wave behavior.

2. **Role of Observation**: A common misconception is that the act of observation itself changes the behavior of particles. In reality, it’s the interaction with the measuring device that collapses the wave function, forcing the particles to behave like particles rather than waves.

3. **Detectors and Measurement**: The detectors in the experiment do not "know" they are being observed. Instead, they interact with the particles, which alters the outcome. This is a fundamental principle of quantum mechanics, where measurement affects the system being measured.

4. **Misinterpretation of Results**: Some may interpret the results as suggesting that consciousness or awareness is necessary for wave function collapse. However, this is not supported by scientific evidence. The collapse occurs due to physical interactions, not due to human observation.

5. **Quantum Mechanics and Reality**: The implications of these experiments challenge our classical intuitions about reality. However, they do not imply that reality is subjective or dependent on observation; rather, they reveal the complex nature of quantum systems.

In summary, the image illustrates a profound aspect of quantum mechanics, but the interpretations surrounding it can often lead to misunderstandings about the nature of reality and observation in quantum physics.

>>510952351
i've always suspected something like this is the case that gets hidden behind all the pseudo mystical gibberish

>>510952511
You are correct that the measuring device plays a crucial role in the observer effect in quantum mechanics. Here’s a more detailed explanation of how this works:

1. **Measurement and Interaction**: In quantum mechanics, measurement involves an interaction between the measuring device and the quantum system. This interaction is what causes the wave function of the quantum system to collapse into a definite state. For example, when a photon is detected, the act of measurement alters its state, which is why we see different outcomes depending on whether a measurement is made.

2. **Observer Effect**: The observer effect refers to the phenomenon where the act of observing or measuring a system changes its state. This is not limited to human observers; any interaction that extracts information from a quantum system can be considered a form of observation. For instance, using a detector to measure the position of an electron will change its momentum due to the interaction with the measuring device.

3. **Consciousness vs. Measurement**: A common misconception is that consciousness is required for the observer effect to occur. However, it is the physical interaction with the measuring device that causes the change, not the awareness of an observer. The measuring device itself can be any apparatus that interacts with the quantum system, such as a photon detector.

4. **Quantum Mechanics Framework**: The framework of quantum mechanics describes how particles exist in superpositions of states until measured. The measurement process is what forces the system into one of those states, leading to the observed outcomes. This is a fundamental aspect of quantum theory and is distinct from classical physics, where objects have definite properties regardless of observation.

Detectors put energy into the system. That or human consciousness is woven into the fabric of the universe.

>>510952296 (OP)
>>510952511
how does measuring change things exactly, this sounds retarded

5. **Implications**: The implications of the observer effect challenge our classical intuitions about reality. They suggest that at the quantum level, the act of measurement is integral to the behavior of particles, leading to discussions about the nature of reality, determinism, and the role of the observer in the universe.

In summary, while measuring devices are indeed observers in the quantum sense, it is the interaction involved in measurement that leads to changes in the system, rather than the presence of a conscious observer.

>>510952589
I understand that this topic can be quite complex and sometimes frustrating. Here’s a clearer explanation of how measurement affects quantum systems:

1. **Wave Function**: In quantum mechanics, particles are described by a wave function, which represents a superposition of all possible states. Before measurement, a particle can exist in multiple states simultaneously.

2. **Measurement Interaction**: When a measurement is made, the measuring device interacts with the particle. This interaction can involve photons hitting an electron, for example. The act of measuring forces the particle to "choose" a specific state from the superposition.

3. **Collapse of the Wave Function**: This interaction causes the wave function to collapse, meaning the particle transitions from a state of uncertainty (where it could be in multiple states) to a definite state (where it has specific properties, like position or momentum).

4. **Physical Change**: The measurement process often involves energy transfer or momentum exchange, which alters the state of the particle. For instance, detecting an electron can change its momentum due to the collision with the measuring device.

5. **Quantum Uncertainty**: This change is also tied to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which states that certain pairs of properties (like position and momentum) cannot be precisely measured simultaneously. Measuring one property affects the uncertainty of the other.

In essence, measurement changes things because it involves an interaction that forces the quantum system to adopt a specific state, rather than remaining in a superposition of possibilities. This is a fundamental aspect of how quantum mechanics operates, and while it may seem counterintuitive, it has been supported by extensive experimental evidence.

>>510952296 (OP)
Quantum stuff.

>>510952351
I intuitively understood this when I was told about quantum mechanics as a teenager. I got a D+ in Chemistry. But I immediately knew that the measurement process had to be the variable, not the mere act of a sentient being "looking" at the result. How would you even be able to determine that? But every dipshit that told me about it would be all excited: "NO BRO ITS FROM U LOOKING AT IT, GOD IS REAL BRO." Any amount of skepticism or postulating it was the measurement process would get these people irrationally angry and upset. "YOU HAVE TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND BRO." yeah ok.

>>510952622
Sure! Here’s a simpler explanation:

1. **What is a Particle?**: In quantum mechanics, tiny things like electrons can be in many states at once. Think of it like a spinning coin that can be both heads and tails until you look at it.

2. **What Happens When You Measure?**: When you try to measure or observe a particle (like checking if the coin is heads or tails), you use a tool (like a detector). This tool interacts with the particle.

3. **Changing the State**: This interaction makes the particle "choose" one state. So, if you measure it, it will be either heads or tails, not both anymore.

4. **Why Does This Happen?**: The act of measuring changes the particle because the tool you use affects it. It’s like poking the coin to see how it lands; your poke changes its state.

5. **Uncertainty**: Because of this, you can’t know everything about the particle at once. If you know where it is, you might not know how fast it’s going, and vice versa.

In short, measuring a particle changes it because the act of measuring forces it to pick a specific state instead of being in many states at once.

I take it as proof that solipsism is true. You can never interact with any external "reality" without the processing of it through your senses and brain, which changes "reality" itself, meaning you can never actually interact with it or experience it directly.

>>510952296 (OP)
quantum is bullshit.

The idea of the coin changing relates to how particles behave in quantum mechanics. Here’s a simple explanation:

1. **Superposition**: Before you measure a particle, it can be in many different states at the same time, like a spinning coin that is both heads and tails. This is called superposition.

2. **Constant Change**: Particles are always moving and interacting with other particles. This means their states can change constantly, just like a coin can keep spinning.

3. **Measurement**: When you measure a particle, it "chooses" one state (like stopping the coin on heads or tails). But if you don’t measure it, it can keep changing and existing in multiple states.

4. **Quantum Behavior**: Unlike everyday objects, particles at the quantum level don’t have fixed states until you look at them. They are always in a kind of "dance," changing and interacting with their environment.

5. **Uncertainty**: Because of this constant change, you can never know everything about a particle at once. It’s always a bit uncertain, like not knowing how the coin will land until you stop it.

In summary, particles are always changing because they exist in many states until measured, and they are constantly interacting with other particles and forces around them.

>>510952370
not actually how it even works retard, get niggersplained:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mf2UE7PtFIw?app=desktop

Great question! Here’s a simple explanation of why particles can be in a superposition:

1. **Nature of Particles**: At the quantum level, particles like electrons behave differently than larger objects. They don’t have fixed positions or states like a coin does when it’s lying still.

2. **Wave Behavior**: Particles can act like waves. Just like waves can spread out and exist in many places at once, particles can also exist in multiple states at the same time. This is what we call superposition.

3. **Quantum Rules**: The rules of quantum mechanics allow particles to be in superposition. This means they can be in a mix of states (like being both heads and tails) until something happens to measure or observe them.

4. **Measurement Changes Everything**: When you measure a particle, it "collapses" from being in superposition (both heads and tails) to just one state (either heads or tails). This is different from everyday objects, which are usually in one state until you change them.

5. **Uncertainty Principle**: The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle says that you can’t know everything about a particle at once. If you know its position, you can’t know its speed exactly, and this uncertainty allows for superposition.

In summary, particles can be in superposition because they follow different rules than larger objects. They can exist in multiple states at once until we measure them, which forces them to choose one state.

>>510952296 (OP)
conciousness shapes the world
atheists and christcucks btfo, but they refuse to accept this for almost a hundred years now.

>>510952589
Here's a made up example:
You want to measure the water level of a container of water.
You dip a stick into it and mark the water level.
When you retrieve the water stick, some tiny amount of the water stays on the stick. (The measurement affects what's being measured.)
The true water level is now slightly lower because of the "contamination" of the measurement device.

This is what everyone is talking about. You're all getting confused by the word choice of "observation." If they had used a term like "measurement" from the beginning, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

>>510952657
but it acctually is from you looking at it.

>>510952589
The detectors are optical -> electron based systems, which require the entire photon to be absorbed by the detector, which thus prevents it from interfering with itself.
The jew nerds know this and the real experiment has some extra shit to try to prevent this, but the end result is the same.

Just try to find an example picture of the experiment, you can only find the basic one without detectors

>>510952793
Nope, that's objectively wrong. It's because of measurement contamination. You're getting confused by irresponsible terminology.

>>510952739
holy shit every post you made is fucking retarded

>>510952722
that doesn't contradict what anon said

>>510952574
>Detectors put energy into the system
No such thing as detectors.
By this reason, the wall behind the slit is also a detector.

>>510952423
god actually has to fullfill DEI demands the jewish studio investors are demanding. So no code review until he added a bunch of trannies and niggers to the overworld.

>>510952296 (OP)
your mother has a double slit

just leave the photon niggas be, sometimes they wanna act like a particle and sometimes they wanna act like waves, not my problem

>>510952791
no no no, you missunderstand it.
Its not about the measurement interfering with the result. (Although that ofcourse is true for the vast majority of experiments)

Your measurement (observation) acctually determines the result of the experiment. Reread Schrödinger Cat. There is no way back after you understand what it means.
Especially if you consider what "the box" is and that "the box" is human defined, which christcucks and atheists fail to grasp.

t. MSc physics

Yeah so maybe the particles are just moving so fast that it looks like a cloud of superposition to us because we can’t see fast enough.

>>510952296 (OP)
First, learn the problem, because what you represent as an issue is not correct. Here is the "lie" and the correct version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbzHNBT0nl0

>>510952957
>In July 2011, researchers from University of British Columbia and University of California, Santa Barbara showed that applying high magnetic fields to single molecule magnets suppressed two of three known sources of decoherence.[40][41][42]

>>510952793
how would youve interacted if you actually met the photon on your way to the detector?

nigger scientists wont be able to explain this

>>510952296 (OP)
this is /pol/, and even if it was the appropriate board the idea of superposition is pseudoscience.

not sure who out there needs to hear this, but 1 thing cannot be in two different places or states at the same time. just another flawed experiment / observation / conclusion. i fucking hate math nerds. they try and pretend like Science is their game, when they're the fakest scientists of them all.. talking about the raw theorhetical types. fucking Neil Tyson. UGH MUH MATH. fucking imaginary bullshit. ooo its the language of nature. yeah fuckin right, as if you speak it.

>>510952296 (OP)
So what, determinism or free will?

>>510952850
No anon. I am not confused. It may be an object of discourse to this day. Wether or not, things exist without an observer.
But I honestly consider the side that says "there is existence without observation" to be denying reality of the quantum coherence experiments, which is simple stupidity.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_d%E2%80%99Espagnat?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Btw you are on the side of (((Einstein))) with your false opinion.

>>510952296 (OP)
The modern explanation of quantum mechanics and everything being waves is wrong. Quantum field theory is a lie and many physicists know it, but they also profit from it and receive large grants. It isn't 100% wrong in observation, but the "theory of everything" nonsense is an attempt to shoehorn the universe into a theory. We've known this for some time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIyTZDHuarQ&t=92s

This video explains a visual demonstration of quantum mechanics. Your picture also mentions bullets, but bullets are spin-stabilized, electrons are not. You can get certain bullets to behave like quantum particles at extended ranges and give you random results. Most bullet companies have fixed this with modern designs, but historically a bullet's range was seen as the edge of supersonic flight. Afterwards the bullets behaved completely randomly even with the momentum of the projectile.

>>510952998
I dont understand the question.

A photon can interact with something (be measured) only once, but it cant be manipulated without being measured.
I hope that answeres the quesiton.

>>510952296 (OP)
Clockwork gnomes

>>510952296 (OP)

>Kek

>>510952871
Yes it does, the observer doesn’t influence anything. The measuring apparatus does

>>510953220
>>510953247
*ding ding ding* the retarded short bus niggers have arrived

>>510953294
if it was that simple then there wouldn't be countless interpretations of quantum mechanics... if measurements were just interactions, entanglement wouldn't be a thing. when two particles interact with each other they become entangled; that is, a single wavefunction represents the state of both of them. well, the detector is made out of particles, and so is your brain. so in theory the particle should become entangled with everything and the universe would be a single wavefunction holding all possible states of everything. somewhere along the way, the wavefunction collapses... when is it? we literally have no idea.

>>510953301
>jewish

>>510953140
>utm_source=chatgpt.com
fag/bot

>>510952296 (OP)
It's a spastic test and you failed it
>>510952351
Literally this

>Oy vey

>>510952997
>In July 2011, researchers from University of British Columbia and University of California, Santa Barbara showed that applying high magnetic fields to single molecule magnets suppressed two of three known sources of decoherence.[40][41][42]

nigger I am not reading a full paper...
but from the abstract I guess they are just using new insulation techniques.
I dont see your point. Also its from 2011... where are quantum computers now? Technocracy fags...

>HEY jews
Have fun with your cartoon-based anti-science larp there
>Kek

>>510953336
So if it's just an interaction then why are entanglements a thing?

>>510952511
kek ai

>SNEED
OVER AND OUT
>HONK

>>510952296 (OP)
the cause it's made up bs
detector has to do something to the particle, to "detect it" so it interacts with the particle and changes the pattern

>>510953333
nice quads, I could have hidden this, but I dont.
A bot could have hidden this too, you double nigger.
I used AI, because I only remember the phrase my physics prof told me once, not the source.

>>510952351
IT'S ALIVE!

>>510953407
the non observed case is only possible if the particle behaves as a wave. That is the whole point.

The image on the right might be a wave length of some kind.

its all fucking retarded bullshit pseudo garbage

Sabine is a whore

>>510952351
When they talk about interactions they don't mean in a classical way such as a billiard ball hitting something. They mean the wave function of the light collapses and it assumes a definite state meaning it's not a wave anymore.

>>510952296 (OP)
That’s not how it works, retard

If the photoelectric detector is able to detect individual photons by absorption, you aren’t going to have a single pattern on the wall behind it. If they scatter photons, of course you are changing the pattern in function of the type of detector you use.

>>510952511
@grok rape OP

>>510953325
What I’m intending to dismiss is the anthropomorphization of the term ‘observer’ in
>the observer influences the observed
which the original poster, in my interpretation at least, sort of vaguely implied this was related to consciousness or at least some parallel could be drawn, when that’s not the case — the wave function collapsing has nothing to do with the observer being conscious or not, it’s just a measuring apparatus.

Maybe I was misinterpreting but I see this misconception made nearly every time this subject is brought up by non-STEMcels

>>510952351
>>510953336
Double slit is false. Subsequent experiments of the test show altered results in the first scenario when done for hundreds of times thereby refuting the observation results and hypothesis. The double slit experiment is peak midwit and retains it's dominance solely because it creates a narrative that they are in a simulation. The initial disproven experiment affirms both redditor atheism and religion so both IFUCKINGLOVE SOIENCE and religion returns continue to lap it up and ignore solid evidence to the contrary. Most of quantum mechanics is a pseudoscience grift and you're both incredibly stupid for falling for it and even more stupid stating it as if it was a matter of fact. It's not.

>>510953623
You obviously don't understand the experiment because you're stupid as fuck.

Light seems to function like a wave. Once the measurement (detection of which slit the photon goes through) happens the wave function collapses and it assumes a definitive position. When this doesn't happen it behaves like a wave hence the interference pattern. You don't know what you're even looking at.

>>510953663
Yes correct. You're right.

>>510953510
Yeah but the brouhaha and pseudo-confusion is about “an observer” which people are led to believe means conscious beings— not a mechanical measurement device which collapses the probability wave by adding energy.

>>510953599
it specifically collapses because the detector "has to hit it like a billard ball" so to speak. call it what you will its interacting with another system which alters the state of both systems.
check out >>510953726

>>510952296 (OP)
measurements is action.
you need to interact with a particle to measure it and by doing so you alter it's momentum.

particles aren't real anyway, it's all wavepatterns that interact where the excitation of the field seems like a particle.

>>510952351
B-but that's not very exciting?!?!?!

>>510953663
Anon, nothing can observe without consciousness, and nothing can be known without observing. At some point the information has to hit a consciousness no matter the method of metric, the machine registers a tree falling in a forest but if nobody is there to read the printout did it make a sound? Detector on, particle. Detector off, wave. Detector nobody ever checks ever? Both.

It's because people explain it completely incorrectly. It makes much more sense if you understand what "observation" is in context. There's nothing too crazy, just a complete lack of knowledge of what's actually going on.
We can predict it with probabilities, we can't predict it in any deterministic manner.

>>510953850
the "interaction" isn't like an interaction in classical physics sir. you're misunderstanding what's happening here

>>510953902
by the term observation he means measurement.
conciousness is not necessary.

>>510953883
>science has to be heckin lovable, not state dumb boring reality

redditors be seething

>>510953726
>Most of quantum mechanics is a pseudoscience grift
Spoken like a true retard

>>510953850
>particles aren't real
electromagnetic fields are real

>>510953930
>the "interaction" isn't like an interaction in classical physics sir.
yes it is you pajeet.

it's not a collision, but with electromagnetic fields (photons) they can be interacted with through magnetic or electric fields, and by doing so experience forces.

>>510953817
You're pointing to a schizophrenic retard who claims that QM is fake. Sorry if I don't take that seriously. Have you ever even done this experiment yourself? Have you seen it done with actual detectors like I have?

>>510953958
And if you understand that even "measurement" is misleading, you're getting to the truth. It's observation, because the process of elimination is used to determine what's going on. It's not any single measurement.

>>510952296 (OP)
Wave function collapse

>>510954001
>electromagnetic fields are real
the electric field is real, the magnetic field is just a simplification of electric field.

it's all just fields and waves.

>>510954024
QM is fake. scientists think quantum mechanics are just so random and quirky when in reality the just lack the science to properly evaluate it.
n=/=n*p

>>510952296 (OP)
It exposes an uncomfortable truth that our notion of reality is entirely wrong. Ask any bad scientist and they will parrot some jargon laden waffle which explains nothing, ask any good scientist ( very few of those ) and they they will simply admit that no one has any concrete idea whats going on, just wild guesses..
What we experience is constructed from something quite unfathomable to our little monkey brains. But give it another 6 million years and we might figure it all out.

>>510954052
does the tree in the forest still fall even when not observed?

>>510953797
it acctually is the consious obserever, there is no confusion here.
Look up quantum coherence. Here is a qrd
>insulated quantum system behaves ike a wave.
>photon escapes quantum systems and flies is in eye of anon.
>all the wave functions entangled with that very photon instantly colapse.

Or from a different angle:
Why doesnt the mechanical measurement device colapse the wave? Why doesnt it behave like a way itself?

>>510954052
im starting to think that "science" isnt very scientific after all

>>510952296 (OP)
>Measure use A -> find B
>Measure using B -> find A

it's not difficult to understand.

>>510952296 (OP)
changing the detector changes what gets detected. This is stupid kids logic the jews have obfuscated,

>>510952351
Accurate
>>510952370
lmao such a jeet answer

>>510954106
Unironically correct take. Einstein's and Schrödinger's problem with QM was that it was just a hack to force predictions with probabilities. That's what you do when you don't know what the fuck is going on. God does not play dice with the universe and Schrödinger's cat was supposed to tell you that it's a really shitty way of explaining events. A cat is not in a superposition of being dead and alive, that's silly. You just don't know what's going on.

>>510954052
>And if you understand that even "measurement" is misleading, you're getting to the truth. It's observation, because the process of elimination is used to determine what's going on. It's not any single measurement.

You can't teach jews. They tell themselves what they want to know.

>>510953988
Normies literally think "Quantum probability" means that if they science hard enough you can make a dragon appear from another dimension.
>wow very cool!
You cannot comprehend how dumb the normie brain is. They say things like "I love dopamine!", as they are told they dopamine is the "feel good" chemical.
When they say "I love science!" they mean that they love gadgets, trinkets.
Approaching reality directly is a source of great fear for the normie as it means they must admit they are insignificant in every sense of the word.

>>510954114
Anon, that doesn't enter the picture at all. You've been explained the experiment incorrectly. If the tree was upright and you come back and the tree has fallen, you have observed that the tree has fallen.

>>510954106
>notion of reality is entirely wrong

sounds like Jewish thought.

>>510953797
>>510954120
Sorry I have to rewrite my post,

it acctually is the consious obserever, there is no confusion here.
Look up quantum coherence. Here is a qrd
>insulated quantum system behaves ike a wave.
>photon escapes quantum system and flies in the eye of anon.
>all the wave functions entangled with that very photon instantly colapse.

Or from a different angle:
Why does the mechanical measurement device colapse the wave? Why doesnt it behave like a way itself?

>>510954120
the photon does not collapse because your eye recieves it, it collapses because it interacts with other particles and alters the state of both.these interactions could be anything, even interacting with gravitron bosons from fucking saturn.

>>510952296 (OP)
Detectors interfere with detected thing.
It is like being amazed that when you observe water flow it is laminar but when you put finger into it it becomes turbulent. Shock. Do not put your finger in it.

>>510954011
It's not like a classical interaction you fucking idiot. The magnitude of the force doesn't matter at all. Explain entanglement from your view.

>>510952296 (OP)

German man was right and don't paid a single $1 for jews to find the answer.

>>510953366
>the observer effect is just optical friction
....

>>510954129
or put it another way
>measure AB using A = find B
>measure AB using B = find A

>>510954278
You're thinking about classical interactions. This isn't what's happening here. There's no classical analog that you can relate this to. Get out of that line of thinking here.

>>510954211
these people unironically follow black science nigger on the socials.
I dont see them as human... more like lemming in humansshaped vessels

>>510952739
Your answers are very sharp and cut right to the core.
Let me know if you want to explore deeper or just ask.

>>510952296 (OP)
That is not a real experiment. You can't measure a photon without destroying it. I believe a version of the experiment has been done with electrons (or perhaps ions, I forget), although it wasn't done until some years after Feynman popularised it as a thought experiment. If you want to understand le quantum mechanics, I suggest you start with the Stern-Gerlach experiment.

>>510953760
You're the retard and >>510953623
is quite right. It's impossible to detect photons without destroying them.

It's really amazing how fucking retards make .jpgs about physics which they don't know anything about, then other retards offer their hot opinions about it with all the assumed authority of a seasoned professor.

>>510954211
The problem is you don't actually understand what we're talking about here. Probably because you're retarded. Can you explain to me what the difference between a wave and a particle is in classical physics?

>>510954281
>The magnitude of the force doesn't matter at all
He's simply saying that it's a force acting upon another force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion
>>510954011
However "forces acting on forces" isn't quantum mechanics because information-based interactions are not based on forces. Thus, quantum interactions are not classical because the interaction is not necessarily equal or opposite, which makes them outside of Newton's laws.
:O

>>510953792
What bothers me about the experiments wording in common explanations is that it’s not always made explicitly clear that measurement entails physical interaction. Once you have these misconceptions cleaned up, the experiment is much less mysterious.

>>510952957
Shrodinger's cat is a bizzare relitigation of object permanence. The cat, objectively speaking, is either dead or alive before you open the box. You looking into the box didn't change anything, it just feels that way from your retarded human perspective.
The concept that a particle or whatever can be in two states at once until observed is inherently unfalsifiable. You'll never be able to see it in both states since the act of looking at it (as you claim) changes it. Idk why this is so hard to comprehend. We're talking about such a tiny scale that the laws of reality get fuzzy, meaning it's wholly irresponsible and absurd to not factor in the human measurement instrumentation not affecting results. Again, the word "observation" is making retards think that the abstract act of a sentient observation makes a change on reality. It's throwing a handful of metaphysics into a hazy and not understood field of science. It all reminds me of the hype over the "God particle." Retards like you thought scientists had somehow proved God is real JUST because the particle was named the "God particle." It's wasn't a literal metaphysical label, it was scientists saying this "god" particle was the cornerstone for understanding some other aspect of science - it was illustrative, not literal.

So a particle accelerator shoots probability waves and not particles?

>>510954404
>It's really amazing how fucking retards make .jpgs about physics which they don't know anything about, then other retards offer their hot opinions about it with all the assumed authority of a seasoned professor.

its the principle reddit is build upon

>>510954412
Cool it chief I code this stuff IRL.
>wave
2d energy
>particle
1d energy
kek :^)

>>510952296 (OP)
This diagram is total ass

>>510952511
>In reality, it’s the interaction with the measuring device that collapses the wave function
Where it gets interesting is with the quantum eraser experiment: effectively doing the measuremnt after a photon has already hit the screen as wave or particle. It seems like past behaviour is altered by a measurement in the future.
Is this spooky action at a distance or just some type of non-local behaviour related to entanglement?

Dunno but the Wheeler's delayed choice experiment which was replicated in many ways complicates it further.

>>510954404
Explain what "destroying" a photon means. No professor talks about QM this way. Go ahead and I'll wait.

>>510953205
>but it cant be manipulated without being measured
So you admit measuring (observation) manipulates the result. Literally what I've been saying this whole time

>>510954455
its that way because real earth scientists lack the physical measurement devices to go really into detail. QM on the planck scale is so fucking tiny that we have literally no clue how to "observe it" without interacting with the whole system. This is why the QM wording is always so wishy washy and retardedly worded. Quantum scientists have to come up with even more, only mathermatically proven in a perfectly encapsulated systems, why their measurements are the way they are. in reality the can only fucking guess.

>>510953220
>>510953247
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>>510953403
>leave planet (or at least low orbit)
>move on any plane on x or y axis
>flat disc or sphere?

>>510954463
A "probability wave" is just a contrived a way of describing that we don't exactly know where the fuck it is.

>>510952296 (OP)
The simulation conserves memory by representing matter not as fixed particles, but as probabilistic waveforms—clouds of possibility governed by Schrödinger's equation. Instead of rendering every outcome in full, it defers commitment until observation, collapsing the wave function into a single definitive state. This collapse acts as a form of computational compression, reducing the need to simulate all potential realities simultaneously.

In higher-dimensional space, all possible configurations of matter and time—every permutation of the universe—can exist within a single, elegant mathematical framework. These infinite dimensions allow multiple potential timelines to coexist in superposition, stacking on top of each other without conflict. The moment of observation—the point at which the wave function collapses—acts as a selector, converging an unbounded set of quantum possibilities into a single experienced outcome.

From the perspective of the only conscious observer—you—this mechanism reduces the infinite complexity of multiversal reality into a localized, navigable experience. Every choice, every moment, is just one branch surfacing from a dense matrix of unobserved potentialities. The simulation doesn't need to compute all outcomes—just the one you’re aware of. In this way, memory is conserved, complexity is masked, and reality becomes a rendered illusion shaped by your conscious path through an otherwise infinite space.

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>>510953663
This this this

>>510952296 (OP)
consciousness is part of the electromagnetic field which precedes our material reality, and this is why >>510952351 measurement (observation) collapses the quantum waveform

>>510952296 (OP)
My theory is this only happens to quantum particles and would not happen to any particle the size of a buckyball or higher. Something about being so incredibly small fucks shit up, its a neat phenomena but I think its mostly a meme.

>>510952351
This. Basically means that to truly measure what we want to measure we have to devise a new way to measure it properly.
There is still an observable effect here, but the interpretations of what that effect is are likely not reliable.

>>510954576
i love how QM fags always say "the probability wave could even go around saturn and then return to our measuring device before getting measured, we simply dont know" kinda BS

>>510954542
What professors are you talking about? By destroying a photon, I mean that the only way for a photon to interact with anything is to be absorbed by a charged particle. Another photon may be emitted, as in reflection, but in that case you are not going to detect it. The only way to detect a photon is to observe the effect of its energy being imparted on another particle (as in the photoelectric effect), which necessarily requires its absorption and no re-emission.

>>510954622
i am correct and you are wrong if you disagree

>>510954367
There is interaction on subatomic level you midwit.
Detector needs power and detector need interference with detected thing to detect it. It needs some data to interfere with it to show what it detected. You have zero idea about how physics work midwit.

>>510952296 (OP)
Wow. Op is a faggot. Imagine muh shawk

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https://thequantuminsider.com/2025/07/15/quera-harvard-and-mit-researchers-demonstrate-logical-level-magic-state-distillation-on-a-neutral-atom-quantum-computer/
>actually it's MAGIC!
Between this and "AI" I'm not sure which is fooling the normies harder.

For me, it's the double slit quantum eraser. If you're not adding time travel to the experiment, you're not doing it right. Also, Sabine sucks off dogs.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-025-57704-x
"Magic spreading in random quantum circuits"
Lol.
>here's my scholarly article about how we don't know what the fuck we're doing
Lovin' it!

>>510954817
No no it's the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitzur%E2%80%93Vaidman_bomb_tester
25% of the time it works 100% of the time.

>>510954746
text generator - normies be like " its basically a type of AI and self aware and it will fucking make humanity stop having babbys"

>>510952296 (OP)
sensors/detectors convert the light into a detectable signal.

>>510954857
>google but with UX that's easier to use
>OMG IS IT ALIVE?
Normies can't tell the difference between things they can rub their dick on and abstract ideas.

>>510952511
AI slop

>>510952574
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>Detectors put energy into the system. That or human consciousness is woven into the fabric of the universe.
Human consciousness effects the universe. The fabric of reality is more complex than we realize.

>>510954572
well that should be made more clear imo, the experiment showcases a disservice in proper public communication more than anything imo, there’s layers of common misconceptions here, thing is like a freakin onion

>>510954622
you're an idiot

>>510954681
Sir the effect is non-local and collapses instantly. There are non-absorption experiments where the wave function still collapses. How?

Now explain quantum entanglement

>>510953902
>Anon, nothing can observe without consciousness
You're being intellectually dishonest. That's not what is being disputed. We all know sentient consciousness comes into play with literally everything. We're talking specifically about the claim of human observation changing particles as a direct cause and effect.

>>510952296 (OP)
Proves humans can't really understand shit about the universe.
That's ok though, because God made it for us, so there.

>>510954716
QM. Isn't. Classical. Physics.

the wave function collapsing doesn't appear to local. Do you understand the implications of this you moron?

>>510955000
I'm a bicycle mechanic tho

>>510954106
>What we experience is constructed from something quite unfathomable to our little monkey brains
Peak reddit comment

>>510954572
Planck scale is a ridiculous scale. The Planck length (10^-35 m) is about as small to a proton (10^-15), as a proton is to us. The way the Planck length was conceptualized was as a unit made of three fundamental constants. If you combine Planck's constant, the gravitational constant and the speed of light in such a way that you get unit length, you have the Planck length. It's not some mysterious length scale at which the unit operates on or the "the miminum possible length" or such bullshit. It was only later theorized that the uncertainty principle would lead to conflicts with general relativity on that scale, even though neither theory, not even quantum mechanics are applicable to that ridiculously tiny length scale.

>>510954991
What effect? Which experiments?

>>510952296 (OP)
my grandma calls that time she lezzed out with two bulldykes at uni her double slit experiment

>>510954907
its a fucking detrement to humanity and shines a light on how fucking low IQ ppl are that think they are "self aware"

>>510952806
I actually went down that rabbit hole once, years ago, trying to find the second picture.

>>510952657
Look up “delayed choice quantum eraser”. It really is about observation, not about the detection process causing decoherence, since if you later on (post-detector) make the information about the path travelled unrecoverable, the fringe pattern comes back.

>>510954254
>the eye of anon
Which is a mechanical measurement device, just made of flesh. You proved yourself wrong.

>>510955207
Non-digital AI is pretty cool. This one doesn't even need power to run.

>>510952296 (OP)
it's a version of pic related

>>510952296 (OP)
From evolution to the Hadron Collider we’re being sold ancient occultic mysticism as modern science.
Quantum physics is just more crusty old crap thats been given a fresh coat of paint to make it all modern and sciencey.
modern science is a scam. they get billions in funding to come up with old shit from kabbalah and a few cartoons

>>510955318
How does the mirror know Mario is there?
:O