Marriage used to be a clever trick to prevent society and as an extension, civilization from collapsing. It worked because men were guaranteed a life long partner, with each other bound solely to each other, encouraging men to fight for and contribute back to society.

With marriage nowadays being nothing more than state enforced slavery, with no-fault dirvoces and with women's arbitrariness (emotional retards), ungratefulness, promiscuity breaking the original contract, men either focus on money and recognition, which leads to greed and narcissism, or become exiled from the very society they have created.

Will we ever fix this problem or is the west destined to be Rome v2?

Yeh, i think im just going to make millions, and have a Harem of 100 kids around the world.

>>510957599
wait, that sounds bad. A harem of 100 women, giving me kids

Not in the maxwell kinda way

>>510957136 (OP)
Also, what's the point of kike-based religions if even those faggors are divorcing en masse.

Good argument and agreed. Everything is so cheap and hollow now. People don't even know what they are missing. This is a disposable trash society. People and products are cheap. The old ways were born of centuries of trial and error. The west has flipped the table and said "we xan have no rules, no standards, nothing meaningful". This is a rudderless existence and people are becoming lost frequently. If the west has a functioning future it will entail some reversion to what used to work

>>510957136 (OP)
me on the furthest right

>>510958015
How do we even revert back at this point without society outright collapsing?

>>510957136 (OP)
>Marriage used to be a clever trick to prevent society and as an extension, civilization from collapsing.
What else works is unrestricted prostitution, too bad for laws inherited from christcuck moralfags.

>Will we ever fix this problem or is the west destined to be Rome v2?
No... But, if could be fixed, and done so by the coupling of Caucasian males and Asian females -- the latter being less feministic (Korea notwithstanding) and with their maternal instinct still mostly intact. Time is fast running out, however -- concupiscent niggers and poojeets won't be waiting around for humans to get their act together /!\

>>510957136 (OP)
go back to the 1950s

>>510957136 (OP)
Marriage worked because men were empowered. As a result more men have value to women and society blooms. More get a partner, more have a stake in society, and even the women find the men more attractive.

In the reverse, where women are empowered, they will always trample over the heads of lesser or men on their level to get to chad richfag. Or they will siphon the souls of as many males as they can through whoring.

Female empowerment does not build anything, it’s just women being able to get through life whoring without any worries, not forced to have babies, no innovation or technology. It’s just decadence, collapse and reversion to a primitive state as women just live to chase hedonism and die. There is no sexual imperative in a female to build anything when she doesn’t need it to get sex.

>>510958805
If I come back home, fucked from war (or another kind of tragedy), I want someone to take care of me. Modern women are completely incapable of emotional support, if anything, they will make you even more miserable.
You think hookers are capable of providing you with anything other than their holes? The dopamine release from sex is a temporary relief, not a solution, akin to chugging painkillers while you are suffering from terminal cancer.

>>510959245
Unironically, I would go back much further if I could, memeflag faggot.

https://youtu.be/BFOO-HFoMSg?si=t1PTIhPSX425EogH

English lyrics (barebones translation): https://www.letras.com/vicente-celestino-musicas/77578/english.html

This is an old brazilian song from back when my grandparents were in their late 20s to mid 30s.
The song is pure, raw pain and suffering, dealing with women's ungratefulness and abandonment stereotypes.

>>510957136 (OP)
Me on the right

>>510957136 (OP)
I know a lot guys that say they don't want to get married but they let their GFs live with them, I consider this the same as marriage because of two main reasons and those are after living together for a couple of years or more there becomes a lot of considerations that would have to take place if you were to break up like cost of living and so forth. Also you would run into the problem of dispute over property, like who gets what because after living together after a few years there are going to be a lot of items and assets acquired along the way. I say this because I know a lot of guys that said they never want to get married again but yet wound up letting a woman move in with them and from my vantage point it looks exactly the same as being married, I think a lot guys even supposed redpilld guys are in denial big time when it comes to living with a woman they just tell themselves that "this isn't marriage" just as a cope.

>>510957136 (OP)
It could be fixed. Just needs a bit of trickery. People are fucking cattle. If they see a trend becoming popular they will hop on it.
So you begin a movement for a higher form of marriage than what counts for normal now. Give it a name, doesn't really matter what. Call it "Soul Binding", or "Eternal Union" or whatever.
Now add a bit of pagan-like razzmatazz. You are starting a new and very exclusive tradition. Think up some shit like: Ceremonies can only be held under a full moon. Must have 100 witnesses. Neither partner must not have already existing children. Invent some sort of new procedure, like bride must be dressed in red toga, groom in purple toga, rings are not exchanged instead necklaces, or bracelets of some description caring a unique symbol, like a full circle, or a tree, or fucking something. The vows are completely different from a normie wedding. Think up some shit that's different. Its basically a wedding but with an entirely different packaging.
But here is the important part. Both man and woman must sign a legal document stating a binding agreement to never cheat, abort a child, divorce, or inflict domestic violence. Failure will carry serious financial penalties. Failure will result in the person being banned for life from attending other such events. Make it obvious. You do not change your mind. There is no tolerance for whimsy.
Listen you can modify, add, or subtract from this, whatever, but the idea is to make it exclusive, start a trend among new trads. Then once it gets rolling a lot of the younger normies will want in. Keep them out unless they are prepared to meet the conditions. Never let it be watered down again.
>Why all the ceremony bullshit?
Because women, that's why.
>Law of the land will override any contract you sign.
In many countries yes, unfortunately, so in that case start pushing for new legislation. In the meantime just accept it. If it can grow then laws can change.

>>510957136 (OP)
>muh marriage
>muh society
>i need to need someone
Fuck everything, your son gonna troon out and your daughter will marry Mohamed at 9yo

>>510961737
>"Be demoralized! Be sad! Bad! BAD!"
Christ get a grip you dumb monkey, fuck's sake why are anons always so doom and gloom all the time? What a bunch of gay nonsense, you can't actually have this teen angst crap still rattling around your thin skull past the age of 20, right? That'd be pathetic.

>>510961737
To add to this
>>510961622
Both parties must denounce all existing religions. Catholic Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc.
Both parties must avow that there are only two genders. Male and Female and never shall a person change their sex.
Both parties denounce all forms of aberrant social behavior ( which would then include homosex, bestiality, being a criminal, etc )
Add some positive shit as well, like being loyal, being respectful, caring, etc.
Note none of this is presided over by some conventional priest or something. In fact basically this could be a prelude to starting a new grassroots faith which isn't based on any holy book, prophets, saints, miracles, or messiah. Its based on plain common sense and social harmony instead.
Use this to form communities of like minded people who are sick of all the bullshit we see today. Use the only weapon available at this time to enforce these precepts, banishment from the community. Ostracism. Those who break the solemn oaths are NEVER forgiven, they become ghosts. They cease to exist as entities.

>>510959088
>webm
kek

>>510959341
Well yes, but it worked because men were guaranteed "something good" for their efforts, not the feminist BPD roasties we have now.

>>510961622
>inflict domestic violence
Eh... most foids like that. The "getting wet for bad boys" has been a stereotype for generations.
In my own experience, if you treat them nice and truly care about them, they resent you and return the favor by making your life miserable.

>>510961737
I don't need shit anymore, monkey. I am a minimalistic who has avoided foids for years after what they pulled to make my life miserable in my previous long-term relationships.
But this is exactly my point in OP. I am a minimalistic now, I have no ambition, I have zero reasons to contribute back to society.

>>510961622
>abort a child,
Edit
>abort a healthy child.
Fuck being saddled with a downie for the rest of your adult life.

>>510962837
Ah, então concordo contigo

>>510957136 (OP)
democracy is wrong
you fix it all by not having democracy

>Kikes poison marriage.
>Guys the peasant class needs to get rid of workers rights, marriage, anti trust, commuting, guns; anything that prevents them from being controlled.

>>510962837
btw, decompression is hard and our generation were raised by romantic disney shit, I'm starting to believe the misandric foids who hate men are right and people should just stop marry and even reproduce

>>510961949
Nigger im 42 and married and know that its ALL fake and fucking gay now. Do what you want, live your life for yourself and fuck what ANYONE else thinks. Society? Fake and gay slavery just to make number go up for the kikes. Marriage? 90% of them are going to end in devastation for the man in it. Go out, acquire currency in ANY way you possibly can (bonus points if you scam it out of the system somehow and can get it tax free) and check out and live for YOURSELF. And if anyone talks shit about it, laugh in their fucking face and walk away.

>>510962837
>>inflict domestic violence
Depends on the extent, what is defined as domestic violence. Battering a woman black and blue, fracturing jaws and shit like that is not acceptable under any circumstances.
But you are just picking at nits. I answered your OP in good faith but I dont think I will get that reciprocated. So whats your solution? I dont see you providing any so far except for some wishful thinking for a bygone era that will never return under current political conditions.

another incel thread

>>510963450
>Battering a woman black and blue, fracturing jaws and shit like that is not acceptable under any circumstances

Fuck that noise, if a woman hits me, I hit her back twice as hard. Thats the ONLY way they can learn.

>>510963212
>In early modern Europe, Prussia took a pioneering role with Frederick the Great's 1757 edict allowing marriages to be dissolved on the ground of serious and continuous hostility between spouses, without pointing to any one guilty party.
>Frederick the Great
>he allowed religious freedom and tolerated Jews
>Frederick was almost certainly homosexual
>He was interested in attracting a diversity of skills, whether from Jesuit teachers, Huguenot citizens, or Jewish merchants and bankers.
Source: jewpedia

>>510957136 (OP)
>or is the west destined to be Rome v2?
Fate of all Empires, etc etc

>>510961949
>why are anons always so doom and gloom all the time?
pattern recognition
I'm 38, had previous relationships during early my 20s and nowadays i see a lot of miserable men who felt for the adult life bait, and i almost joined them
I can see their hatred towards me when they know i've got to this stage of life free from any social pressure

>>510963450
How did you infer from my OP (or any of my posts) that I have a magic solution or wishful thinking to any of it? My final question in OP is literally pondering on the same fate as the roman empire.
I answered you in good faith, simp faggot. My ex used to want me to choke her and then resented me because I always refused to.

>>510964254
I see. You are a fucking idiot, a dolt. Good luck with that.

>>510963427
There is this thing going on around here where Anons are desperately trying to get men to uphold wemons dignity when clearly we've all been exposed to hours and hours on social media of wemon behaving like in OPs video from many many different wemon regardless of there political or religious background. Tradniggers around here are still currently going through the steps of acceptance, a lot are still at the denial phase most are currently at the anger phase and a small percentage have moved on to the bargaining phase.

>>510957136 (OP)
Here you go

>>510963297
I grew up with a trad boomer father and I ended having that old fashioned, cucked view on romance. To this day I still enjoy Altemar Dutra's kind of boleros, Sinatra's kind of jazz, and those old brazilian waltz songs, but hell if I'll allow myself to cuck out through those old fashioned ideals.

>>510964410
See? This is why we will never get out of this mess without complete societal collapse.
>Men
>Attack each other constantly
>Can't form brotherhoods
>Weak men and foids controlled by jews continue to destroy civilization

>>510964434
>There is this thing going on around here where Anons are desperately trying to get men to uphold wemons dignity
Most of them are jeet shills or foids themselves. See >>510963550
It's copy pasta garbage posts.

>>510959365
>You think hookers are capable of providing you with anything other than their holes?
Sure. There's currently a demographic bias because you have to be a criminal to be a prostitute in 99.9% of the country. I've had long talks with strippers at their place of business though.

>>510965905
Yeah they like to through around that word "incel" a lot even though they use it improperly but either case it's fun watching the incles mop the floors in these debates around here. It's so easy to win when you are debating from a position based on truth and reality.

>>510966111
Prostitution is legal in Bananil and only carry a little bit of stigma in these degenerate days. Do men seek hookers for emotional comfort? Sure, but the old "emotional support from male bartenders" stereotype is far more common down here.
I would never confide in a hooker, it's too risky, they have been used for intelligence gathering for a reason. They also rarely give a fuck about you and pretty much never provide you with good advices, while your old trusty bartender may actually be sincere and provide you with some quality advices, but that too is becoming rarer by the year.

>>510959088
Why do i prefer the monkey?

>>510963297
>>510964863
>I'm starting to believe the misandric foids who hate men are right and people should just stop marry and even reproduce
Romanticism, a product of Cathar poison, is inherently Gnostic, so it's natural that when taken to its logical conclusion it promotes death and anti natalism.

>>510959365
Why would you need the support of a woman to take care of you?

>>510963297
i dated a woman who lived off the lies of disney movies and jane austen novels, expecting me to be the perfect charming romantic man, and as time went on she saw that I was just human, it really set her off