They say the frit is necessary for the windshield glue to stay strong and keep the windshield from falling out, but I don't remember my grandparents ever having their car windshield fall out and I asked all my friends (n = 3) and they all said they don't ever remember hearing about windshields falling off of cars either. Did we just forget how to do this? I looked at the F-35 cockpit and it doesn't have frit, so maybe this is secret export controlled technology now.

Blame congress

Car manufacturing is 100% trapped by dc nigger brains and lawyers.

>>510971415 (OP)
Cars are designed for the cheapest manufacturing process possible while ensuring everything works just well enough to prevent a loss in the warranty trade off. Why dick with fitting a window to a suitable support when you can forgo that with glue that makes the process cheaper? The technology is not lost, it was abandoned in favor of saving a small amount of money and time in production, which over all vehicles adds up. If they could make them any cheaper, they would.

Comments so far kind of make sense. I assume wraparound windows like in picrel are gone because of safety. And the rest is because of cheaping out on design. But then again, even luxury cars have this shit.

>>510971415 (OP)
Why are modern cars completely soulless?

Forgot picrel

It’s to reduce drag so they can meet emissions and fuel economy standards

>>>/o/
and this >>510972511

>>510972405
Because technology is soulless and regulations are soulless. The further you refine technology and the more you regulate the more soulless you become. We’re literally living in a world of engineers and lawyers gone wild. The medieval world was filled with priests and aristocrats run wild and it was filled with soul.

>>510972616
The issue is you lose so much cab space.

>>510972511
Also safety standards.
IIRC they found that pedestrians in a hit and run have greater odds of surviving impact with a more angled windscreen as they can halfway roll over it, instead of slamming through it like hitting a wall.
Same reason that bonnets are longer and less flat.

>>510972511
What about rear windows? It effects drag too I know, but it's starting to sound like everything leads to big glass but tiny view.

cars are for women

>>510971415 (OP)
The older windshields weren't held in with urethane glue, rather a rubber gasket. Over time the gasket dries out and can result in problems with windshield retention. When I did auto glass work, we would replace with a windshield with a frit and glue it onto the pinchweld.
The frit itself is more cosmetic, although the black border does help UV shield the glue and primer.

>>510971863
This, I have worked in the automotive parts industry and they hound you till no end over a 1 penny per part.

>>510971415 (OP)
I fucking HATE THIS SHIT SO FUCKING MUCH
If Trump takes cars back to the golden age and repeals ALL THIS SHIT then I don't even care if hes fucking kids

>>510972405
they're taking your boats away slowly by making them so shit they're worth using its an attack on your independence

>>510971415 (OP)
Frit?

>>510978206
chrome trim i think because cars vibrated more from actual motors

>>510978206
The black edge.

>>510978854
looks like its for dispersing light so it doesnt melt dashes or pillars

>>510978771
>>510978854
Yeah they dropped it since they wanted a more flush look for aero and simplicity. I think they used chrome pieces back then to help break it up since the gaskets were larger and had to do more.

>>510973513
Same thing. It’s for aerodynamics and to save on cost of production.

You know what’s especially crazy about your picture too? The F150 is one of the highest selling vehicles in large part because of its relatively boxy body and roomy cabin.

>>510979314
because ford gave up on minivans

ford mustve been sued a lot from their minivans injuring kids, same with gm... they both just gave up where its only asians and chrysler

>>510978206
oui, sil vous plait.

>>510979165
It's dissipating heat so the glass doesn't start to bend in extremer temperatures, plus it's a deliberately rough surface for the adhesive to stick to.
Before they used adhesives, your car had metal trims that didn't need the dot matrix (frit).

>>510973694
It can be both. A gasket and a sealer on older cars.

Its a common point of failure though not uncommon to get leaks at the top on old vehicles. As with everything on 30+ year old vehicles though the repairs are always cheap but they eat parts etc regularly at that age.

>>510973694
This.
The addition of frit on a windshield allowing for a more secure bond is an improved, and actually a case of progress. The glued in windshield holds better than the old clip and gasket system.
It's especially true once the window breaks. Once an older windshield breaks it looses it's form causing the structural gasket to fail and let the windshield collapse in, or pop out.
Your grandparents didn't have a problem with the windshield "falling out". If they wrecked their car and shattered the windshield they definitely had a problem with the glass falling out, or coming in on them. Modern technology actually fixed this issue.

>>510971415 (OP)
I want an electric quadricycle.

>>510980275
They've been using sealers since like the 60s I think.

>>510972633
I hate this “engineer and tech bro” world we live in. Everyone on here aspiring to be an engineer without knowing what the job actually entails. They’re the arbiters of efficiency and soullessness.

>>510980522
They still use them in some instances. Sealant tech has gotten better, but the frit applied to the glass also greatly improved the performance of the adhesive. That's also why new cars don't suffer leaks around the windshield like older ones did.

>>510971415 (OP)
As it was explained to me by the benevolent officer writing me the ticket for my cracked windshield, the frame has been leaned out to where the ws provides considerable structural strength for rollovers

>>510980822
Yeah I mean as with all things repairability=reliability. Everything is a tradeoff and the tradeoff has to make sense.

Take a car from the 90s with gasket, sealer and rubber trim.. costs what? $300 to replace? Now take some modern cars? $1500? Does the gain in performance really justify the cost? Windshields are fairly mid level consumables it isnt crazy to have to replace one here or there.

>>510971863
>If they could make them any cheaper, they would.
>no we can't sell our $10,000 truck in America
>no we can't sell our ultra reliable Australian truck in america

>>510973513
Everyone is giving a million types of cope, but the simple answer is jews want more people to die from cars. Less visibility means hitting pedestrians is more likely.

That's why they are jacking up truck hoods now. I'm normal height and regularly there are trucks with hoods taller than me.

Urban areas are for people, not cars.

>>510981488
Reliability in the scope of modern vehicles is directly related to repairability and simplicity. A pushrod engine, naturally aspirated, big(ish) displacement, no cam phasing or VVT, no EGR, those are the PREREQUISITES for a good vehicle. Otherwise whatever your selling will never make more sense than an obs chevy or even older.

Name a modern production Australian or Asian or European truck (or an American one for that matter) that meets these parameters and I will consider it kek.

>>510981611
>Urban areas are for people, not cars.
I'll allow for this, but any cyclist on a country road should be fined. Concrete walls are for cyclists, trees and fields for drivers.

>>510981611
>urban dweller
>person
Your argument does not compute.

Don't talk about trucks one way or the other if you are from an urban area. You have no worthwhile opinion on this topic.

>>510981488
Make cheaper, not sell cheaper. A price point that requires financing for a majority of customers is of utmost importance.

>>510971415 (OP)
It's because they're designing the cabs in such a way that the windshield is a key component in reducing risk of collapse during a rollover to save on cost and weight on the cab frame cuntstruction

>>510981875
As it currently stands, you could spend 15-20k and get a world class medium duty truck if you buy an older model. Even if they sold a modern cheap truck for 15k it would still have to be better than an older truck before it made money-sense to buy it.

Perhaps in the future when there are no more 9th gen fords, or OBS chevys, or squarebodies available... we will have no choice. But until that dark day arrives it makes no sense not to go that route.

>>510982146
Cash for Clunkers 2.0 to thin the market, perhaps.

>>510971415 (OP)
We lost frit and we are also losing replaceable parts.

>>510981488
Toyota isn't allowed to sell the $10,000 truck in the US because it doesn't meet the "safety" requirements, meaning having 10 air bags and a big fuckoff screen in the dash tied to a camera on the bumper because mirrors are black magic and nobody knows how to use them anymore.

>>510982303
I mean as time goes on we lose more and more each year so certainly there will come a day when they are too scarce to make sense.

But for now, they are still cheap and readily available and crate motors, transmissions, after market parts, and new oem parts are plentiful and cheap

>>510981778
EGR has been required by the US government for decades now, even 90s GM push rod engines had it.

>>510982443
The 10k "truck" is a piece of junk glorified side-by-side with a 660cc motor, turbos, dohc, vvt, egr, etc. etc.

Literally the worst of both worlds.

>>510978206
Windshield frit refers to the black ceramic paint band and associated dots found around the edges of a car's windshield. It serves multiple purposes, including bonding the windshield to the vehicle's frame, shielding the adhesive from UV radiation, and providing a smoother transition from the solid black band to the clear glass

>>510982561
90s EGR, like that used in the L31 is glorified crank case ventilation used to trim engine temps etc.

It is a whole different animal than a modern egr which is actively limiting the engines access to cool clean air.

>>510971415 (OP)
Your grandparents windscreens were held in with a bit of rubber. It added no rigidity to the vehicle. A bonded screen adds up to about 30% more strength in a roll over.
>>510971863
>Bonding a windscreen in is cheaper and easier than doing a string in or a bang in
LOL LMAO even
>>510978206
The obscuration band around the screen which both hides the glue and acts as a primed surface for the glue and further primer to bond to.
>>510981051
Depends on the tech in the glass. Is it heated? Does it have an extra heated areas for the wipers? GPS antenna? Do you have rain and light sensors that need replaced? Distance sensors that need recalibrated?

>>510971415 (OP)
It is just a cost-cutting measure, it is necessary because oldschool windshields were built in a more robust manner but cost slightly more as a result. They developed newer methods that allowed them to install windshields faster and with fewer parts than was necessary with older windshields, the drawback being they are more fragile because the manufacturer is pretty much just gluing it onto the chassis, so they developed the frit method to strengthen that bond.

SUCK MY DICK

>>510983070
>Bonding a windscreen in is cheaper and easier than doing a string in or a bang in
You think adding an extra (or several extra) steps and parts into the manufacturing process is cheaper than just bonding the window with adhesive? It is a lot cheaper to repair a traditional windshield but a bonded shield is way cheaper to mass produce.

>>510983070
>Depends on the tech in the glass. Is it heated? Does it have an extra heated areas for the wipers? GPS antenna? Do you have rain and light sensors that need replaced? Distance sensors that need recalibrated?
Exactly, at what point do the gadgets and "improvements" dip into the red (so to speak) in terms of the cost/repairability/utility calculus?

>>510982703
The pattern is unique to each car. It is like a finger print so that overhead surveillance can see them easier.

>>510982443
Oh so it's cheap because it's cheap and doesn't have unnecessary crap. Wow!
>>510982641
Cope.

>>510984947
Cope? Kek humor me tell me where I'm wrong?

>>510984947
>Doesn't have unecessary crap
>has egr, vvt, dohc, turbos etc.
Kek it's laughable really. You can buy side by sides in the US with similar performance for a similar price btw that dont have those things.

Btw- my lawn mower literally has a larger displacement engine than most KEI trucks.

>>510984989
>the cheap truck doesn't have 3 million airbags and speakers and a TV and and and...
Cope! Keep getting assraped for a $60k truck that sucks dick compared to options available internationally.

>>510985302
I dont give a shit about air bags tv screens you clown. Your understanding of trucks is like a woman's. Modern trucks dont suck because of tv screens they suck because the motors and transmissions are pieces of shit. I just want a naturally aspirated clean big displacement pushrod motor you idiot. A 660cc motor with egr, vvt, dohc and turbos. The KEI trucks are literally just as bad as a modern truck except they are tiny. There is zero advantage. But you think like a woman so of course you wouldn't never understand what is even going on underneath the hood of anything you drive.

For 20k I could an excellent vehicle that is better in every single way than a KEI truck.

>>510978854
Kinda reminds me of the radio antennas embedded in the windshields, it was extra comfy for going through the carwash.

>>510973694
This is good info thanks anon I do remember leaky cars but they were like old hobby cars must have been 20 years old in the 90s.

>>510983274
A bonded windscreen is two pieces of shaped float glass laminated with a plastic piece in between, it then has the obscuration band printed on and then its baked. Bonded screens are generally much more complex shapes than string in screens. String in screens are two pieces of float glass laminated with a piece of plastic between them and no obscuration band. Generally less complex shapes. Many years ago they were made of toughened glass, just one layer.
In what world is making a bondy which is larger, more complex shape and has an obscuration band printed on it that has to be glued into the fucking car then then car not moved for at least half an hour cheaper to do than stringing a glass in that takes a couple of minutes?