if there's no morality without god where does god get his morality from?

>>510981826 (OP)
Seriously?
Stephen Colbert, obviously. That's why he lost his show.

>>510981826 (OP)
God = Reason anon.

>>510981826 (OP)
>where does god get his morality from?
FROM THE WAY THIS WORLD WORK, ACCORDING TO GOD THE CREATOR, THE GOOD WAY IS THE MORAL WAY, FOLLOW THE GOOD WAY AND FOLLOW GOD!

>>510981826 (OP)
Plato

>>510981826 (OP)
from jews,

>>510982767
why does he care

From mutual cooperation, any child can figure this out

>>510981826 (OP)
It's part of His nature of course. He didn't learn it somewhere or something. Use your brain.

>>510981826 (OP)
there is no God and there is no true morality

morality is merely what is or is not acceptable within society at the time

>>510981826 (OP)

>>510982978
why is his nature like it is

>>510982978
How does that work?

>>510982916
Get into a praying trance and ask him!
Maybe you'll schizo hear voices or have some fucked up dreams after.

>>510983107
>>510981826 (OP)
Anons like to tout this guy's "work ethic," but it's literally to be a slave to the economy and do it all before caring for yourself. We've been lulled into a state that's slavery-adjacent for all of human history, and every attempt to escape it has been answered with death or a totalitarian regime that makes the citizens wish they were dead. This fucking guy is pushing a work mentality that erases the individual needs and replaces them with productivity. As much as I like this guy as a presenter and interviewer, his work etic doesn't equal the pay, no matter what you do. Even things like scuba diving in sewage that everybody says "Wow! That guy makes a lot per hour!" doesn't pay enough. Fuck the rich. They all deserve death. All of them.

>>510983261
Ask Him.

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” (Revelation of John 22:13)

“Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.” (Psalms 93:2)

>>510983614
tip your supervisor! smoke some meth! get a hip replacement, get two!

>>510983686
isn't really an answer. is god's morality just a random decision for unknown reasons or a logical conclusion you would agree with if you could understand it?

>>510981826 (OP)
> where does god get his morality from?
If you understood the psychological and social phenomenon of God you would know that you are not supposed to question it. You are supposed to obey. Exactly what every kind of morality expects of you.

>>510983614
I agree. They all deserve to be murdered.

>>510983795
why?

>>510983686
How?
>inb4 prayer
That's just your mind reflecting on itself.

>>510983702
Hahaha. I know the meme is a joke, but this guy really does have a "work ethic" checklist that he stands by, and all it says is basically to suck it up and go to work because of morality or something. It's a slave-driver's propaganda, like a poster you'd see in antebellum south, like, if slaves could read.

>>510983764
If you grant the premise of God to begin with you have to accept he is all knowing and therefore knows everything that ever is was or will be including the ultimate moral framework. It's not even something worth asking, it's like asking why are rocks made of rock or why is air made of oxygen.

>>510985251
>he just does, ok?
Oh, ok.

>>510983966
Because it's as easy to preach God/morality as it is hard to justify.

Morality is a spook. Imaginary laws meant to be broken. My God, why are you people such NPCs that you can't break a few laws? /poltards are a disappointment. God could give you freedom and you still want to be cuffed to someone else's ideas. Sad. Pathetic. Laughable.

>>510985397
He wouldn't be God if he didn't, by literal definition.

>>510981826 (OP)
>have two Red Bulls
>tip your supervisor
This has to be fake.

>>510981826 (OP)
>assuming a fact not in evidence

>>510981826 (OP)
there is no god jesus christ is a astral parasite
energy cant be created or destroyed imagine thinking jesus is god

>>510984859
imo he's kinda right but disengenous and it's a bit of a half truth. he's not working hard. he's in entertainment smearing dirt on his face while doing lectures or whatever the fuck he does. he's been a tourist, quite literally.

my whole family worked super hard. dad, uncle, grandpas, etc. what guys like that don't tell you about is the alcoholism, the cheating and being cheated upon, being exploited by weasels getting ahead (despite not doing any real work), the near death experiences, and all kinds of other shit. might pan out, but chances seem to be against you. they don't even complain about half of that stuff until they realize they're old and have been had.

there needs to be some sort of middle ground imo. been on construction myself and I didn't take that kind of abuse and that mean spirited bitterness they have going on. I'd rather do something else. this generation is totally right to walk away from a job like that. you're not a slave you're paying people to do something, don't act like a cunt. doesn't mean you should act like cunt either.

but hey, what do I know.

>>510985251
so god's morality is essentially just utalitarian like the ends justify the means? killing a toddler is ok if it saves two later on?

>>510985551
Not really. People believe or have believed in all sorts of god concepts.

>>510983764
It's tied to God's nature, and we can only know so much about it. You cannot explain any of God's attributes without first explaining His eternity. Best we can do is allow the consciense He gave us to agree with Him.

>>510981826 (OP)
God is the basis of morality.
God gives morality. God eschews immorality
Immorality is being outside of God.

>>510981826 (OP)
>>510982916
Pattern recognition is everything. Nothing else actually matters. Divine truth is revealed to us in statistics.
Atheism makes you gay, it makes you tolerate degeneracy, it makes you worse at fighting, worse at breeding, it makes your positions conform almost exactly to that of jews. Reasoning is irrelevant if that reasoning causes you to be a dying faggot who's bad at war, because your people and your culture and your *arguments* will no longer exist.

Tolerance for atheism is like a culture catching AIDS. Anyone who listens to you and allows you to spout your ideas ends up sick and dead, so your ideas are bad.


Arguments don't matter, statistical effect patterns matter.

>>510986143
does that mean if god told you to do something evil it was ok because god said so?

>>510983404
>This

>>510981826 (OP)
>work for free tonight
>get the extra hours
Lolwut

>>510986185
if you go for pattern recognition all I notice is that most priests are either closeted homosexuals or not that interested in women (or lying about it)

>>510986143
>God is unknowable
>Here are its attributes

>>510985931
It's not even that, you're essentially assuming you have total knowledge and can make accurate moral judgments about reality and the nature of existence and then can apply this to some internal philosophical concept you have of God. If he is real, he has a complete picture of reality and knows what he's doing, you have to accept you're an inferior being comparatively and that, obviously, you're missing a part of the picture leading to an inaccurate understanding of things. These kinds of questions are absolutely beyond asinine and useless. They literally will not get you anywhere. The real questions are does he exist, should I believe he exists, and what evidence is there that suggests he exists. Shit like

>But why does muh god morals not match my own personal view of morality? Shouldn't god do what I say god should do?

Is low IQ retardation.

>>510986044
>conflating gods with God

>>510986185
Non-sequiter and ad hominem.

>>510986351
They're all god concepts. You can seethe, but they all fall in the same category.

>>510986351
you sound ben shapiro doing mental gymnastics about why killing children is actually good thing

I don't need to know everything to know that murder is bad. sorry.

>>510986556
They literally don't and if you actually researched them you'd know that

>>510981826 (OP)
morality makes you weak and cucked

>>510982916
You know how you find ant colonies and watch for ants that aren’t bringing enough foods back to the hive or following scent trails enough and then you kidnap them and torture them for not living up to your standards?
It’s kind of like that.

>>510986595
You're missing the entire point of my post, nowhere did I make a moral judgment about anything, you're just so narrow minded and focused on the wrong things leading to impotent questions

>>510981826 (OP)
Gods aren't real.

>>510986344
We can only know what He has chosen to reveal about Himself in scripture.

>>510981826 (OP)
You don't need a God or gods to have morals. It's cool if you base yours off that but others don't and do just fine

>>510986697
no u. there's this basic thing called empathy where you put yourself in the shoes of someone else and which makes you not want to do certain things because it feels bad. and even if it doesn't feel bad some people realize the concept rationally.

so if god didn't exist you wouldn't call about morality? or phrasing it like you: if god was actual morality does that mean moral atheists are really just christians in denial? none of that shit makes any sense.

>>510981826 (OP)
>where does god get his morality from?
He creates morality with an ancient jewish magic spell.

>>510985832
I was a mechanic for a long time. When I was young, I thought it was a good job. Like all trades, you're exposed to chemicals, dusts and all manner of dangers and health risks that you aren't compensated for. Professional sportsball players should be paid an hourly wage. Blue-collar workers should be able to retire in about 15 years, max. Billionaires should be skinned alive on a worldwide public broadcast.

>>510986185
>Atheism makes you gay
Thats not what the graph says lol

>>510987012
Morality is just subservience to group norms. It's the NPC genes that speak when morality speaks.

>>510986185
It helps to have a rule book that says it's bad. I think "should be accepted" is probably just a politically-safe "I don't care"

>>510987012
If an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being actually truly existed then yeah I'm going to default to their judgment and understanding of things. Wouldn't you? Or are you saying we should ignore that being if it existed and default to YOUR understanding of things? Because as far as I'm concerned, you're a retarded idiot anon, straight up. I wouldn't default to you on how to boil water

Your God is a kike invention. Bow down , pay 10%, and worship a kike.

>>510986656
These displays are shameful.

>>510986243
God cannot sin, therefore anything that he comnands us to do cannot be evil, and it's God Himself who determines what's good and what's evil to begin with.

In any event, God will not contradict Himself, so if I ever hear a voice in my head or something, and that voice contradicts what the bible says, I'll know right away I either have gone mad or Satan is trying to get me.

>>510981826 (OP)
you kinda had me until
>tip you supervisor
gr8 b8 m8

>>510987059
that's actually a cool idea although not sure how to finance it. cops retire early, so do soldiers. also would be a better incentive to get into the trades and to hard manual labour in hazardous areas if you know you don't have to do it till 60.

>>510986618
>no ur dum n rong
Lol ok.

>>510987331
>I'll know right away I either have gone mad
You're there already, anon.

God's dad lmfao

>>510987221
yeah yeah. how do you even know what this ominpotent being is saying? the bible? because your pastor said so while claiming to speak for said being? are you really sure you're not being tested and supposed to do certain stuff because it's right not because an authority figure told you so? like the binding of isaac. or killing palestinian children to "bless israel".

>>510986925
Like being a homicidal maniac?

>>510987331
would you kill your son if a god told you so?

>>510987355
It would transform industries, anon. Money would go to robotics every single place they could. Automation would become the most important issue of our day.

In the end, it all leads to the fact that the people at the top who make all the money and wield all the power need to die, en masse, with their families, and no one should ever be allowed to return to such a state of undue influence again.

I don't give two shits about commercial progress. If we remove subjugation and exploitation from the equation, other means will take over.

>>510987578
See how stupid you are anon, you're mistaking entertaining the concept for literally believing and asserting it as true. You are so dumb, and so fucking focused on one narrow minded aspect here you are barely even present for the conversation. You've changed the entire question from "how would god be moral" to "Yeah well prove to me god exists" No where, at any point, in any post, in this entire conversation did I say that and had you actually read my posts instead of just spamming your bullshit, you'd already know that. At least you're asking one relevant question for the first time the entire thread though.

>>510981826 (OP)
It came to him in a dream

Strange that the left have taught the pleb to demand better pay and conditions for generations and now replace them with cheap subservient coolies

How do we reconcile this?

>>510987578
that said the jewish people are not god's chosen. they're cursed, fucking cursed! roaming the world never having a home, genocides, the holocaust (generally speaking), their greed and them burning all the bridges constantly. they aren't a light to the world they're a warning and christians refuse to take the hint themselves and are in the process of picking up the curse.

>>510987355
>not sure how to finance it
Take it from billionaires and whip them bloody every time they take some.

If God is omniscient, your rationalizations are irrelevant.

>>510987816
you're tapping out of the discussion. it's ok. talking to you is like peeling an onion and realizing there's nothing at its core.

>>510987582
I beg your pardon?

>>510987982
I imagine all of your conversations are like that considering how dense you are.

>>510987925
if god was knew everything why does anything matter, why would he get mad and interfere with floods and whatnot? he knew it was going to happen and why. omniscience is contradictory to free will, even god's free will own. that's hard determinism. even if it wasn't it means god is putting up an act for whatever reason

>>510987656
I wouldn't, just as I explained here: >>510987331

That's something God does not comnand to a christian.

>>510988080
you're the guy who needs the bible in order to not rape babies

>>510988155
"middle knowledge" molinism etc.I know OP is a faggot, for example but that doesnt mean I'm going to take the cock out of his mouth. None of it matters. We go to hell or not depending on Gods decisions under any of these structures. Literally doesn't matter. Its not going to surprise God. God /= bible btw

>>510988198
Deuteronomy 13:15-17

New Century Version
15 you must kill with a sword everyone who lives in that city. Destroy the city completely and kill everyone in it, as well as the animals, with a sword. 16 Gather up everything those people owned, and put it in the middle of the city square. Then completely burn the city and everything they owned as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That city should never be rebuilt; let it be ruined forever. 17 Don’t keep for yourselves any of the things found in that city, so the Lord will not be angry anymore. He will give you mercy and feel sorry for you, and he will make your nation grow larger, as he promised to your ancestors.

>>510988219
I'm not even religious but thanks for demonstrating you're sub 90IQ anon. I advise you start listening to other people, there's a very high like-hood they're smarter than you given what we've seen ITT today. I think there was even a gorilla who could have taught you a few things about philosophy

>>510987331
>God cannot sin
He just commands others to do it. Like killing babies and raping little virgin girls

>>510987111

>>510988441
Notice how it says
>views on homosexuality
Not
>are you a homosexual

Learn to read bud

>>510988219
Atheists rape kids.
Atheists created NAMBLA.
Atheists murdered over 100 million people.

>>510981826 (OP)
He makes it up as he goes along.

>>510988556
kinda underlines the argument that some people might need the bible in order to not do that because they can't into morality without bells and whistles.

>>510981826 (OP)
If there is no Lord of the Rings without Tolkien, where does Tolkien get his LotR from?
If there is decision without a judge, where does the judge get his decision from?

You question is so dumb its hard to answer it.
Its better to use the adjective "objective", maybe then you'll get it. there cannot be objective morality without god. if theres no god, every morality is purely subjective, if there is God, His morality is objective morality.

>>510988556
>Atheists rape kids
Not exclusively
>NAMBLA
has religious members
>Atheists murdered over 100 million people.
Not really. You mean communism

>>510981826 (OP)
I like how he's full of dirt so you know he's a hard worker!

>>510986185
>pattern recognition and statistics reveal divine truth
Here's a fun statistic for you: the most religious demographics in the west are brown and female. Least religious are white and male
Blood matters more at the end of the day. Only one set of people are able to tap into and discover divine knowledge. The rest are utterly incapable and can at best be led to it, but it will mostly fall upon deaf ears

>>510988936
you think judges just randomly come up with judgements and don't base them on laws and interpretations of laws, concepts, context, etc.?

>>510988432
>He just commands others to do it.

No He doesn't. That would be sin. If anything, you can find a warning against sinning in almost every page of that bible.

>Like killing babies

It's God who makes the rules and establishes right and wrong.

Killing: The taking of a life.
Murder: The deliberate killing of a person God did not authorize you to kill.

>and raping little virgin girls.

Chapter and verse. Never read God command anybody that ever.

>>510988556
An atheist might rape a kid.
An atheist (former Pentecostal) created NAMBLA.
Some atheists killed 100 million people.
Atheists as a whole have no share in such crimes since there is no shared doctrine.

Atheists are not a group and have no requirement for group cohesion. There are no shared positive beliefs, only one shared doubt.

It's even more specious than accusing all Christians of being pedos because some Catholic priests raped kids.

>>510981826 (OP)
>where does god get his morality from?
Super-God. Have you even read the bible?

>>510989138
if the year is 1000 BC, and i declared myself tribal judge after killing the previous judge, they yes, i think my judgement is whatever i decide.
Someone wrote the law, be he Ozymandias or someone else.

>>510989305
>i think my judgement is whatever i decide

>>510989092
ya. prolly related to average IQs and other factors like warrior genes, or mirror neurons and self-reflection. that said, africans and other third worlders actually might need abrahamism. roughly speaking whites and japs are they only people on earth who actual care about animals despite there not being like an animal welfare chapter in the bible. if anything the bible tells you to abuse animals.

>>510986185
>Pattern recognition is everything. Nothing else actually matters. Divine truth is revealed to us in statistics
Funny thing is that atheist are statistically white and white people are statistically less homosexual

>>510989228
This anon gets it

>>510989228
did atheists create wars atheist reasons or for other non-atheist related reasons like bad economic policies and whatnot?

>>510989154
>No He doesn't
Yes he does. In numbers he commands the death of everyone but virgin girls as they are taken as spoils
>>510989154
>It's God who makes the rules
Nah, killing babies and raping little girls is always wrong. No matter what

>>510989154
>>and raping little virgin girls.
>Chapter and verse. Never read God command anybody that ever.

Why are you asking this? You just admitted that whatever God wants is good. Even rape lol

>>510989443
... well, of course it is.
No wonder you believe in existence of something as stupid as objective morality.

>>510989228
so many christians would be pedos if they weren't believing in god?

inbf hurr durr retard I'm hinting at the existence of people who wouldn't rape kids either way doesn't matter if they're christian or not. but if you're only reason to not rape kids is the bible you're doing something wrong. not even sure if the bible even argues against it tho. at least the 10 commandments don't.

>>510986185
Pattern recognition is the kryptonite of miracle claims. Demonstrate miracle

>>510981826 (OP)
In Kabbalistic thought, Ein Sof (אֵין סוֹף) represents the infinite, unknowable aspect of God, while Yahweh (YHWH), often pronounced as Adonai, is a Biblical name of God, commonly used in Jewish prayer and texts. Ein Sof is God in His essence, before any manifestation or emanation, while Yahweh refers to God as revealed and active in creation.
Ergo if You want to know the origins of truth, You need to study the source of sources. He is this way only as a single configuration out of an infinite amount of possible configurations. Why He chose isn't the question to ask, but rather you exist in a world where He chose this emanation above others. In another configuration He chose differently. Also keep in mind that for Him, there is no linear choice, He already made them. He's already at the point of beginning and Ending for each path. You are the one choosing. "Morality" ultimately is obedience to the source of all things, and how it separates choices for those in linear movement. I know what I'm saying seems scattered, but you need to understand nonlinear existence to start with. Otherwise it sounds like schizo babble.

>>510989228
>You're not allowed to notice patterns when it's atheists!
Hahahahahaha

Retard if having a big nose and curly hair made you ten times as likely to be a pedophile no one would care if they didn't have a "cohesive group ideology".

Atheism literally cannot survive basic pattern recognition.

>>510989305
>This happens ten thousand times and the tribes that allow themselves to have judges who don't hold with objective pattern recognition get weaker and weaker until they're annihilated.
Sorry fag, natural law is divine law.

>>510990242
>Atheism literally cannot survive basic pattern recognition
See
>>510989474
>Funny thing is that atheist are statistically white and white people are statistically less homosexual
Now what else is parrer recognition? People who lie to hide their identity to avoid be ousted in their community.

>>510990336
>divine law
Nebulous nonsense that changes based on the affiliation of who labels what "divine"

>>510990203
guess I'm saying we don't know what god actually wants or doesn't want for certain and it seems like we have to rely on our own instincts and judgement to make decisions while also risking those decisions to be wrong. so people who make the right decisions go to hell figuratively speaking and people who make the wrong decision don't. there's nothing you can do about, your forced into making decisions every day and you're just following your potential either way. so some people are just doomed.

>>510981826 (OP)
>if there's no morality without god where does god get his morality from?
From the rabbis who invented him.

>>510989647
>Yes he does. In numbers he commands the death of everyone but virgin girls as they are taken as spoils.

Lies. Allowing men to take virgin girls as spoils is not the same as commanding them to rape them. In fact, it does not even imply allowing it. Under the law you could only lie with them (young women, not children; they had to wait for them to mature) if you took them for wives or concubines.

>Nah, killing babies and raping little girls is always wrong. No matter what.

Raping little girls is wrong no matter what, that's bible, but back in the day God commanded killing babies and since He commanded it, there's nothing wrong with that.

It's God who makes the rules and establishes right and wrong, not you or me.

Killing: The taking of a life.
Murder: The deliberate killing of a person God did not authorize you to kill.

>>510990242
how about this pattern: the middle east? religious fundamentalism - prepetual shithole. japan? borderline atheist with some pagan/buddhist undertones - pretty decent place to live. philipines? very religious also a shithole.

>>510981826 (OP)
Why would I do any of that when a 21yo girl get a government job working mostly remote and paid more than that YET none of what I do is appreciated socially but the opposite?

>>510981826 (OP)
Wheres the epstein files?

>>510990761
again, how do you know god isn't just shit testing you with some 4d chess bait? I don't know if I'm being tested but I wouldn't kill babies unless they were rushing me with buther knives. being hyperbolic

>>510989762
God cannot command rape because rape is sin, so if you slander God by saying He commanded rape, you better be ready to back it up.

>>510990336
thats like me saying
>i will eat icecream today, thats what i eat.
and you replying
>thats impossible, since if one eats ice-cream every day for ten thousand days they will die.

you think you proved something, but you didnt.

>>510988055
Don't play dumb.

>>510985832
nice post

>>510990998
god isn't commanding rape but he isn't condeming it either. that's the issue with abrahamism because at its core it a neurotic religion made up by ancient lawyer types who think they can outsmart god on technicalities. like a kosher lightswitch on sabbat thats technically not a lightswitch. or some magic wire hung up around the neighborhood so it's all under the same roof or whatever the hell.

>>510990761
>>Yes he does. In numbers he commands the death of everyone but virgin girls as they are taken as spoils.
>Lies.
Read your bible you dumb nigger

Killing of captive children and non-virgin women (14–18) Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

You are faggot making excuses for a bogus imaginary friend

>>510990998
>God cannot command rape because rape is sin
So is murdering babies

>>510990966
I can only go as far as I can discern with my brain and my spirit, and they both tell me this isn't the case whatsoever, but assuming it were just for the sake of argument, there's nothing I could do about it anyways. Who can resist God?

>>510990761
>God commanded killing babies and since He commanded it, there's nothing wrong with that.
It's clear you don't have children

>>510991329
Correct, but killing is not the same as murdering.

Killing: The taking of a life.
Murder: The deliberate killing of a person God did not authorize you to kill.

>>510991369
>Who can resist God?
Does everything happen in life based on the will of your God?

>>510991442
>Correct, but
There is no but. Killing babies is wrong, no matter who commands it

>>510983764
God's nature, by definition, is goodness. You were created and given the free will to reject him if you so choose. Life will be worse for you, in a sense, if you reject goodness, but maybe you prefer it that way. Like a drug addict who can't say no to the pleasure of his drug of choice. However, also like the drug addict, you'll probably hit a point eventually that's rock bottom where you realize you can't keep going the way you've been going and you'll make a radical change. Life just seems to be set up this way, so that we eventually come back to goodness with our own free will. If we don't choose goodness with our own free will, it will never truly be a part of us.

>>510982567
The god of the Jews?

>Plato's Euthyphro
This is literally philosophy 101, day 1, minute 1. Start with the fucking Greeks.

>>510991289
>>510991289
Where does it say go rape them? Are you retarded?

>>510991369
>Who can resist God?
Sounds rapey.

>>510981826 (OP)
Is that Mike Rowe the actor who pretends to be working class?

>>510990120
Lmao you don't even understand what pattern recognition is, not surprising.

Here's the pattern: people who bitch about miracles create conditions that are more conducive to degeneracy, such as AIDS riddled ass fucking, and are worse at war.
Thus, they're wrong.

It's so fucking easy you literally just look at the statistics of any group telling you their philosophy and you instantly know whether they're right or wrong by how gay they are.

>>510991545
>Where does it say go rape them?
When he explicitly says to take the vurgin girls for yourselves. Notice he didn't say take the virgin boys did he?

>>510991369
we can agree on that much I guess. all I'm saying is you probably would be doing what you're doing even if you hadn't heard about christianity because you're following some sort of ingrained instinct because you can't do otherwise. if you weren't christian you probably would be something else and talk about nobel truths or honor or such. you aren't moral because you're christian most likely but christian because you're moral, or at least thing you ought to be. maybe because it's backlash towards contemporary degenarcy and christianity seems like an easy solution to a complex problem, or you lacking alternatives.

>>510991520
>god is good because I say so.

>>510981826 (OP)
Two little birdies.

how come miracles all stopped happening when people started carrying cameras

>>510990524
>Most atheists are white
And out of whites they represent the small minority that is overwhelmingly gay. Try again, no amygdala subhuman.

>>510991502
It's only wrong if God says it's wrong, and you are not God anymore than I am. We have no authority to declare right or wrong.

>>510990568
Nope, divine law is natural law, i.e. statistics.

There are an infinite number of interpretations of reality but a finite number of successful ways to interpret reality which can be weighed by their relative success.

>>510991676
>And out of whites they represent the small minority that is overwhelmingly gay
You don't know how to read your own graph. Lol. You people are dumb as shit

White people are less homosexual and make up most atheists

>>510991676
Atheists are less bad than abrahamic monotheists. Becoming atheist is the first step to becoming religious in a good way.

>>510991775
>Nope, divine law is natural law,
Nah, it's just called natural law. Adding "divine" means nothing lol

>>510991777
trips of trvke

>>510991078
>Just because I might seem to briefly rebell in a tiny instance I'm still totally a slave to an objective set of rules that I will die for not respecting
I'm glad you agree.

>>510991760
>I'm a retard zealot
I know

>>510991676
dunno if whites are more gay than others. maybe they're just more out of the closet. the fucking afghans have boy fucking thursdays for crying out loud. rabbis suck baby dicks for a living. and blacks are on the down-low to the point of having a word for it.

>>510991777
>Literal square vs rectangle logic failure
Hahahahahaha

This isn't the place to vent your teenage angst against religion. Cut another line on your arm.

>>510991978
Says the moron who can't read their own graph lmao

>>510991816
>Loses a war because he spergs about the word divine
Sorry, guess your tribe was wrong.

>>510986656
That's a moral stance in it's own right, you dumb fuck.

>>510991978
>nooo! You can't acknowledge those patterns! Just the ones I say!
Come out of the closet already

>>510992033
>Whites are less gay on average so a minority of white deviants can't be more gay than average
This nigger brain just had his first experience with natural statistic distribution and it's shut down his core processes.

>>510992039
>can't define divine
LOL keep trying kiddo

>>510992109
>If you don't acknowledge the opposite of a pattern you can't recognize patterns
Hahahahahahahaha

>>510992132
>nooi don't recognize those patterns! Just the ones I say.
Why are r/eddit refugees like this?

>>510991863
it is not an objective set of rules. it's subjective set of rules that i follow because either
a) i agree with it
b) am too weak to go against the creators and supporters of that set of rules.

>>510991621
As I said before, they had to take them as wives or concubines before they could lie with them so there was no rape, and they even had to wait some time for the maiden to bemoan the loss of her family before they could even do that. It's not that they jumped on them right away and fucked thrm in broad daylight like muslims do.

>>510992143
Definition is irrelevant what matters is the people who complain about the word are weaker and gayer.

>>510981826 (OP)
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

>>510992178
Concession accepted :^)

>>510992205
Ah we've reached the "no statement anyone can make can ever be wrong or else you're denying logic" stage of rebellion against the basic concept of statistics.

>>510992224
>Definition is irrelevant
Which means you using it is also irrelevant
Concession accepted

>>510981826 (OP)
WE HAVE ILLEGALS TO DO THAT!!

>>510992295
Prove on your graph where it days atheists are gay.

>>510992242
>Accuses others of being a reddit castoff
LOL

>>510981826 (OP)
Any rational conversation about Christian theology always boils down to magicthink

>>510991978
Let me spell it out for you: your graph shows degrees of tolerance for faggotry, not actual faggotry

>>510992220
>concubines
Against their will. Which is rape.

Thanks moron

>>510992342
Which you are

>>510983107
Udarnik!

>>510982767
BASED!!!!

Christ is King

>>510992298
Wrong, you don't need to define a word to say a word. Saying something is itself an action, and your reaction to that word fits into a pattern.

>>510992338
Anyone who wants more rights for gays and more acceptance of gays is gay.

>>510991637
God designed us with a good set of guidelines, so yes, so long as you listen to them you'd do fine, but problem is, we tend not to do that consistently, even to the point of ignoring our conscience altogether.

“For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)” (Romans 2:14-15)

We need God to set the record straight.

>>510992375
Tolerance for faggotry is faggotry because tolerance for faggotry creates more faggotry. Your people actively create more gayness.

>>510992375
It's same type of Christian who doesn't actually read their Bible either lol

>>510992697
>Wrong
I disagree.

Anyway. Where on your graph does it say atheist are gay?
>>510992730
OK so it doesn't and by your logic, Christians are gay too

>>510992416
Only reddit fags say concession accepted it's the most faggy tell imaginable.

>>510992802
>Tolerance for faggotry is faggotry because tolerance for faggotry creates more faggotry. Your people actively create more gayness.
Amen sister

>>510992838
So you are a r/eddit refugee hahaha

>>510981826 (OP)
>larp as hard worker while spewing platitudes

>>510992811
>I disagree
Unfortunately you're gay and bad at war so your agreement is irrelevant. You'll be dead and your ways will be crushed under your enemies, or more accurately the degenerates you yourself foster.

>by your logic, Christians are gay too
>Nigger brain experiences the term "trend" for the first time and shuts down

>>510981826 (OP)
>smear your face with dirt to larp as a worker for the photo op

>>510991639
He's good because that's the definition, if you seperate "goodness" from whatever entity you are calling "God", then the entity isn't God anymore and the goodness you're referring to is what I would call God. I guess you need to provide the definition of God you're using, but if it doesn't involve him being goodness, then I think most people wouldn't accept your definition.

>>510993029
>Unfortunately you're gay
Nope. But that won't stop you from lying about it.

>some emotional boohoo
You really sound like a fag

>>510992802
>faggotry is whatever I say it is
You're gay

>>510992915
All you redditors who come here say it you moron.

>>510992865
And at last, at long last we reach the final end point of every atheists sperg out rebellion against pattern recognition: screaming instance against trend.

It's like you niggers read this off a script, but that's not surprising, because rebellion against the pattern also follows a pattern.

You'll go crazy if you'll try to understand God.

>>510992384
You are defining rape in a rather obtuse and idiotic way, but that's not bible.

If God said it was ok to take a captive virgin to concubine against her will, well tough shit.

>>510993029
>>Nigger brain experiences the term "trend" for the first time and shuts down
>>510992802
>Tolerance for faggotry is faggotry because tolerance for faggotry creates more faggotry. Your people actively create more gayness.
You fags defeat yourself

>>510993174
>speaks from experience
LOOL

>another non argument
Lol, fag

>>510993207
Nigger you lost,

Forcing someone into sex against their will is rape. Grow the fuck up

>>510981826 (OP)
objectivity.

>>510993207
>If God said it was ok to take a captive virgin to concubine against her will, well tough shit.

Let's say you're walking down the raid and in an alley you see a little girl being raped. How do you determine if God told that person to do it?

>>510993053
>I define god as good so god is good.

>>510993458
>raid
Road*

>>510993359
Define rape as you will. If she's been taken to wife or concubine, it's fair game.

>>510993193
That's how it is dealing with nonsensical concepts.

>>510993516
See
>>510993458

>>510993215
The Bible clearly says you can't be Christian and gay.

>>510993516
>It's not rape if we don't call it rape.

>>510991520
>Choose God
What does that even mean

>>510993478
Well I invited you to share your definition.

>>510981826 (OP)
morals predate religion based on cave paintings and they most likely got their morals from white people who were already there according to their origin stories, so morals come from white people, from humanity. animals don't have morals and people with an IQ under 95 are mostly just animals

>>510981826 (OP)
>where does god get his morality from?
By magic.

Define “god”
Define “morality”

>>510993596
The Bible doesn’t explicitly address modern concepts of sexual orientation, and some argue it’s silent on whether someone can be both gay and a faithful Christian.

>>510993698
You already said you'd reject it.

>>510993559
There are two angels beside you rn writing your posts down into a book you'll receive on the Day of Judgment. Be advised.

>>510993458
>Let's say you're walking down the raid and in an alley you see a little girl being raped. How do you determine if God told that person to do it?

It goes against the conscience that God gave me and against everything the bible says on how you deal with children. Obviously God's not going to contradict Himself and His holy nature by commanding such a thing.

Not rocket science.

>>510993839
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>510991526
Yahweh = "I am".
From nothing -> Thought.
Cogito ergo sum.

>>510993839
Uh huh. And I can't see them because they're invisible, right? :)

>>510981826 (OP)
>Tip your supervisor

>>510993660
Choosing goodness would mean having a genuine intrinsic desire for goodness to be done in the world, as opposed to a genuine intrinsic desire for our own personal gratification. So for example, the desire to be rich so I can get my dick sucked everyday would not be an example of goodness, but the desire that no kids go hungry in the world anymore would be. That's my understanding.

>>510993853
Again, how do you determine that God didn't tell.that person to rape the little girl?

>>510993853
>Obviously God's not going to contradict Himself and His holy nature by commanding such a thing.
Now you're contradicting yourself
>>510993516
>If she's been taken to wife or concubine, it's fair game.
You people are dumb as shit

>>510993568
See >>510993853

>>510994032
It goes against the conscience that God gave me and against everything the bible says on how you deal with children. Obviously God's not going to contradict Himself and His holy nature by commanding such a thing.

Not rocket science.

>>510994041
See>>510994032

>>510993824
>modern concepts of sexual orientation
The Bible condemns all "concepts of sexual orientation" except the natural, that is how God created it to be - man and woman. No man can go against what is natural and God's law and call himself a Christian. No man can say he serves God and at the same time war against God's perfect order.

>>510981826 (OP)
I can't wait until the orange man is gone and we can return to hating cops and defying Republican redneck gun nut authority in the small Midwestern towns. I pray to God every day for this vice that killed Jesus to be taken off my King David head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeHzHNGdLAU

>>510981826 (OP)
Kek... But seriously you are actually a faggot if you don't like Mike rowe.

>>510994118
Can't refute what I said nor the contradiction you put yourself in.

>>510993827
Well technically I said "most people", but you're right, I probably won't adopt your definition. It could still be worth talking about though. Part of free will is that we're all going to believe different things.

>>510994153
>The Bible condemns all "concepts of sexual orientation"
The bible also condemns all sin but you're still a sinner

>>510993625
Doesn't matter what you call it. If the woman legally belongs to a man, there's nothing wrong.

>>510993970
Yes they are invisible of course, otherwise you wouldn't reaveal your true nature and would try to weasel your way with them. Or rape them like those degenarate faggots in Soddom.

The phrase "there will be no rest for the followers of the beast" comes from Revelation 14:11 in the Bible. It describes the fate of those who worship the beast and its image, and those who receive its mark. They will experience unending torment, with no respite from suffering, day or night.

In the Book of Revelation, the beast and its image are symbols of worldly power and authority, often interpreted as representing oppressive systems or leaders who oppose God.

https://youtu.be/AeHzHNGdLAU

Get out moralfag

>>510994204
You fid nto point out any contradiction at all.

>>510994299
Now he uses the term "legaly"

Lol

>be a good goy
>take it from me, Hollywood TV actor Michaelbaum Rowesenstein
kill yourself, kike. i denounce the talmud, christ is kind, death to israel, victory to islam

>>510994367
I pointed it out. You continue to avoid it

>>510981826 (OP)
false premise.

>>510992227
based God, fucking people demanding "explication", where were they when God made the universe?

>>510981826 (OP)
God is awareness, morality comes from awareness, empathy, dont do to others what you dont like done to you

the equilibrium of death and nurture

pretty dumb on your part OP for not understanding

>>510994396
I can't wait until the orange man is gone and we can return to hating cops and defying Republican redneck gun nut authority in the small Midwestern towns. I pray to God every day for this vise that killed Jesus to be taken off my King David head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeHzHNGdLAU

>>510994299
>my god is so good I need to excuse forced marriage and rape on his behalf.

>>510994374
Correct. Marriage and concubinate are legal contracts before God.

>>510981826 (OP)
Almighty power
you have to understand that man cant make reality
only god can
so what god says is right becomes right because he has the ability to do so

>>510994315
Sure bro.

God is morality, and God is us, morality is based on our conscious experience and empathy, simple

you are "moral" when you can put yourself in the others place and get out of the zero sum game

>>510986692
No I can't say I've ever done that or had the urge to do that, sounds like serial killer behavior to me. Why harm an innocent ant just because it's slacking off?

>>510982767
>THE WAY THIS WORLD WORK
But uhhhh, God created this world, that doesn't make any sense.
>>510981826 (OP)
He's omnipotent therefore he can create morality (laws of good and bad) as he wish.

>>510994284
>but you're still a sinner
Those who live in the law of the Spirit, the condemnation of the law of flesh and sin does not apply to them.

>>510994554
>concubinate are legal contracts before God.
Where did Jesus say this?

>>510994664
>Those who live in the law of the Spirit
You do not.

>>510994433
You didn't. You just quoted something I had already addressed and pretended that was your argument. Be specific, lay out your case, I don't have a crystal ball.

Jews in Alexandria played a crucial role in the political, economic, cultural and religious life of Hellenistic and Roman Alexandria, with Jews comprising about 35% of the city's population during the Roman Era.

Serapis was intended to be, in Plutarch’s words, "god of all peoples in common, even as Osiris is" and the fact that a Greek (Timotheus) and an Egyptian (Manetho) agreed on the statue’s identity was taken as a sign from the god that he would assume this role. Ptolemy I built a grand temple for his worship, the Serapeum, which came to house the statue from Sinope. With Serapis at the center of religious devotion, Ptolemy I began a rigorous building program which was continued by his son and successor Ptolemy II Philadelphus (r. 285-246 BCE) who had co-ruled with him since 285 BCE. The great Library at Alexandria, begun under Ptolemy I, was completed by Ptolemy II, who also added to the Serapeum. As he was linked with the afterlife and transformation, Serapis became known as a redeemer god and savior who granted believers eternal life.

Pentateuch was compiled around 270 BCE using Greek sources found at the Great Library of Alexandria

>Emperor Hadrian, who put down the Bar Kokhba Revolt in Jerusalem in the 130s and exiled all Jews from Jerusalem, said that Serapis worship and Christianity in Alexandria were identical and practiced in syncretism, adding that Serpais had contributed to Judaism and Samaritanism as well.

>Hadrian equated Serapis worship with Christianity, went on to found his own dying-and-rising mystery cult based on the strange death of his lover Antinous while undergoing special mystery rites on the Nile, making Antinous’ statue the third most common in antiquity after Augustus and Hadrian himself.

>Antinous holding a cross and grapes looking exactly like Coptic Christian iconography from the 500s or 600s

>>510981826 (OP)
>tip your supervisor
Do Americans actually do this?

>>510994779
The early Church linked Jesus Christ to the Sun and referred to him as the 'Sun of Righteousness' (Sol Justitiae) prophesied by Malachi.

In 350, Pope Julius 1 decreed that the birth of Jesus would be celebrated
on the same date as all of the other solstice sun gods, Dec 25.

> deity of the Sun

Serapis, Greco-Egyptian deity of the Sun first encountered at Memphis, where his cult was celebrated in association with that of the sacred Egyptian bull Apis (who was called Osorapis when deceased).

The ancient festival in Rome was known as the Saturnalia. The emperor Aurelian established an official holiday called “Sol Invicti”, meaning “unconquered sun” in honor of the sun god. It was held Dec. 24 and 25 and established Dec. 25 as the official solstice.

>>510994696
>plebs cannot separate God from religion

>>510994606
thats your typical resentful fag, is evil and projects that evil unto God and uses that to justify more evil

>>510994838
>Alexandria was a central location in the formation of early Christianity and, more specifically, Gnostic Christianity. It was the crossroads of Egyptian, Greek, Roman, and Jewish culture. Of course, Jews would often boast about how great their god was and tell stories of how he turned the Nile red with blood, cast darkness over Egypt, and killed every first born Egyptian son. Naturally, the Egyptians would react to this and equate YHWH with Set, who was their donkey-headed god of evil and darkness. The Greeks of course equated Set with Typhon, and thus they equated YHWH with Typhon. Among the early Christian sects that were growing in Alexandria, this view caught on

>>510994908
>For the Levantine (Semite) peoples, El and Kronos were identical. Who was Kronos? Kronos was the Greek name of none other than the violent and bloodthirsty Roman god Saturn. Just like El in the Middle East, Saturn-Kronos in the Mediterranean mythology was the highest titan of the pantheon, the lord of the throne of heaven, a violent usurper who had defeated his own father for supremacy and a ruthless tyrant. Identical to El in the semitic religion, Saturn-Kronos was a god of harvest and agriculture and was also considered the Father of Time just as El was known as 'Father of Years' and 'Ancient of Days' in the pre-Israelite semitic texts and in some books of the Hebrew Bible. The main symbols of Saturn-Kronos were the scythe, the cross and the hexagon.

>>510994982
>The Egyptian god Seth-Typhon was sometimes depicted with a donkey head and he has also been more explicitly associated with the Jewish god. For example, we have the following passage from Plutarch:

>"Those who say that Typhon fled from the battle on an ass for seven days, and having been saved produced sons, Hierosolymus and Judeaus, are at this point clearly dragging Jewish issues into the story." (Plutarch, De Iside et Osiride 363C-D)

>>510981826 (OP)
God = Holy/perfect without blemish

Everything that is not God/exists apart from God is sinful

God gets his perfect morality from his perfect nature, find Jesus and become part of the perfection

>>510994769
You don't know me, you don't know what I do and how I live my life. You have no rebuttal, sodomy is a sin, and sinners do not go to heaven.

>>510982567
In any non-kiked version, God can be reduced to no more than the creator of the first distinction that allowed for consciousness. Food/NotFood, Safe/NotSafe, etc. is all it takes to create a morality, and all that requires is the ability to discriminate between the things that keep you alive and those who kill you.
All morality flows from the ability to make distinctions. That's why the Greeks called it Logos. "If A, then not B"-kind of rules are the struts that connect all ethical or legal systems.
Not that that really means a god exists, more likely that our ancestors saw logos as a gift to be grateful for and labelled whatever created it a god (like they personified time as the titan Chronos) to have something to attribute the gift to.

>>510994774
>You didn't.
Sure did. Here's another one
>>510994118
>It goes against the conscience that God gave me
It didn't go against the consciousness God have the rapist. Now they are coming to rape you mother and daughter. Because that's the consciousness God gave them..
>against everything the bible says on how you deal with children.
Do you still stone kids who are unruly?

>>510995022
>The first followers of Jesus were essentially all ethnically Jewish or Jewish proselytes. Jesus was Jewish, preached to the Jewish people, and called from them his first followers. According to McGrath, Jewish Christians, as faithful religious Jews, "regarded their movement as an affirmation of every aspect of contemporary Judaism, with the addition of one extra belief – that Jesus was the Messiah."

>Italy's Jews came directly from the Holy Land before the Diaspora, first arriving in Rome in the second century BC as esteemed envoys (hoping to establish business ties) and then, after Rome invaded Judaea in the first century AD, as POWs sold into slavery. These first Jews lived, like other foreigners, outside the city — across the river, in Trastevere.

>"The Jews belong to a dark and repulsive force. One knows how numerous this clique is, how they stick together and what power they exercise through their unions. They are a nation of rascals and deceivers," - Marcus Tullius Cicero c. 106 BC - 43 BC

>“Meanwhile the Jews in the region of Cyrene had put a certain Andreas at their head, and were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks. They would eat the flesh of their victims, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood and wear their skins for clothing; many they sawed in two, from the head downwards; others they gave to wild beasts, and still others they forced to fight as gladiators.” - Cassius Dio

>Romans were unable to distinguish between Jews and Christians, and because the Jews hated the Christians. Even before the Great Fire of 64, imperial officials had already established a precedent of using the Jewish minority as scapegoats for problems that arose within the capital, and had expelled Jews from the city of Rome during the reigns of both Tiberius60 (r. 14-37) and Claudius61 (r. 41-54); both expulsions were carried out as blanket punishments against all Jews for reasons connected to individual Jews.

>>510994841
>>plebs cannot separate God from religion
Explain the difference

>>510994662
>God created this world
According to his ways and how He is, if you're gonna build something you're gonna put your personality in it.

>>510995058
>You don't know me
I know you cherry pick like the rest of Christianity >>510995058
>sodomy is a sin, and sinners do not go to heaven.
Why is having anal sex with my wife a sin?

>>510995106
>DIONYSOS was the Olympian god of wine, vegetation, pleasure, festivity, madness and frenzy

>Hephaestus returns to Olympus riding a donkey and carrying hammer and tongs. He is led by Dionysus, who bears a thyrsos (pine-cone tipped staff) and drinking cup

>"Hephaistos refused to listen to any other of the gods save Dionysos - in him he reposed the fullest trust - and after making him drunk Dionysos brought him to heaven." - Pausanias, Guide to Greece 1.20.3

Dionysus the son is your saviour, a great shepherd promising pleasures unbound and eternal. Kronos the usurper is the universal spirit of the church while Typhon in the father of parasites. The masses channel their bestial desires and need for continuation through this malformed Dionysus. A Dionysus with the features of Apollo and Sol, treated as a Kapparot. The social cancer embodies Kronos through the church and state.The social parasites worship Typhon as YHWH. Thus the unholy trinity can be understood fully. The son is gluttony, the father is greed and the spirit is sloth. The three forces of corruption and disorder have been gathered together in opposition to the natural order, the natural hierarchy and life itself.

>>510989154
>Chapter and verse. Never read God command anybody that ever.
Numbers 31:18
“But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”

>>510994118
>Obviously God's not going to contradict Himself and His holy nature by commanding such a thing.
He already did. But you're only response is
>if God says it's ok it's ok
Another contradiction

>>510995123
God is a infinite and eternal almighty being. Religion is a organization built around path that leads towards satisfaction with mankind of that being.

>>510995314
You don't understand its ok when God does it according to these zealots

>>510995212
lmao sodomy is a sin and sinners do not go to heaven
>now ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

>>510995349
>>if God says it's ok it's ok
>Another contradiction
There's nothing contradictory there.

>>510995396
nah, it's all fake buddy. there is no almighty being and humans are not special.

>>510995396
So no real difference

>>510995450
Why is anal sex with my wife a sin?

>>510995459
Keep lurking moron
>>510995087

>>510995437
The "god" of the OT is clearly jewish and evil. The only reason people gloss over this fact is because they don't want to know.

>>510995695

>>510995083
Thank you.
I am glad that someone else understands.
It also helps to understand that Jesus represents literal truth.
You could think of him as a "patch" on god as reason, given the propensity for psychopathy. *This* is why Jesus is not Jewish.

>>510995888
Why is anal sex with my wife a sin?

>>510995087
>It didn't go against the consciousness God have the rapist. Now they are coming to rape you mother and daughter. Because that's the consciousness God gave them..

The original objection was "Let's say you're walking down the raid and in an alley you see a little girl being raped. How do you determine if God told that person to do it?"

So I explained how it would be impossible for God to have commanded that and that's how I'd determine, but now you're talking about some contradiction I have yet to read about, and you're also slandering God saying that's the conscience He gave the criminal.

My answer to that is something I already told someone else:

God designed us with a good set of guidelines, so yes, so long as you listen to them you'd do fine, but problem is, we tend not to do that consistently, even to the point of ignoring our conscience altogether.

“For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)” (Romans 2:14-15)

We need God to set the record straight.

>>510995999
Because if you keep doing it, she's going to have to start wearing diapers or get anal reconstructive surgery.

>>510995087
>Do you still stone kids who are unruly?
Nope, that was under the law. We are now under grace, so only the moral statutes are to be observed by a shristian.

>>510996060
>So I explained how it would be impossible for God to have commanded that and that's how I'd determine
But it isn't impossible as he already commanded the death of babies and the rape of virgin girls.

So that's wrong

Then you're only other arguments is well if God says so it's ok.

You're contradicting your own morality

>>510995466
Nah, it's all real, buddy, mankind has been handcrafted by God and He made us special when He gifted Adam with reason and free will

>>510996073
Keep doing it? Like once or twice a year? I don't think so Tim

>>510996185
>>Do you still stone kids who are unruly?
>Nope
Oh, well God commanded it
>well God changed his mind you see!
You are a cancer on this world

>>510996259
>Nah, it's all real, buddy,
To you. You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>510995349
You are implying that God contradicts Himself, which He doesn't, and since He doesn't (and neither can He sin), everything He says is ok.

>>510995466
If that were true, then you'd have to concede that your life is impossible to understand, and indeed nothing you say or think about is logical, has a meaning, or a purpose. Therefore you are merely an object existing, and not a man living.

>>510981826 (OP)
God decides.
Like everything else, it comes from Him. His ways are right.

>>510981826 (OP)
I seriously don't believe Christians and most Abrahamic beliefs have actual morality or virtue.
>You see I believe in God that means that I have to behave at all times or my invisible dad will get mad at me, this makes me a virtuous person
Or
>I have to be good otherwise I will make my invisible daddy sad and that makes me feel guilty

Neither of these express any actual conscious thought into virtue itself or the nature of good. Christians especially seem to place no value on WHY good is good other than because Daddy said so in his book. I asked a Christian to define what makes something good and all he could up with was "God is good."

>>510996422
>You are implying that God contradicts Himself
I'm implying you contradict your own morality for the sake of "God"

>>510996349
>Oh, well God commanded it
That's the key, past tense. We are not building arks today to survive a flood are we?

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15)

Emphasis on "dividing".

>>510981826 (OP)
>Tip your supervisor

>>510996603
>That's the key, past tense.
You're God changed? Weird I thought you goons thought he was the same God yesterday today and tomorrow

Keep digging the moronic hole you're in though

>>510996531
I don't have any morality of my own. All I know and try to observe is what the book tells me. If I say something that contradicts the book, I am in the wrong, moral issue or not.

>>510995999
Checked, and because literally nothing about the colon makes it viable for sex. No lubrication, thin epithelial walls, a bacterial flora unfit to deal with sperm and the antibodies it carries, etc.

>>510981826 (OP)
There is no such thing as "subjective morality." It does not exist. Every single one of us knows what's wrong, so why do we know that? "Muh evolution?" Nope. Evolution states that there is nothing wrong with eugenics. Should have euthanized Stephen Hawking, Elon Musk, or Albert Einstein just to name a few? All three of those people have/had what most consider "undesirable" mental/physical health conditions.

You don't have to like any of those people I mentioned, but they did help shape the world we live in whether you believe it or not. Evolution says get rid of the weakest link. We already see this in the animal kingdom, but we are not like them. We were created in the image of God.

>>510995890
>Jesus represents literal truth
A take more beautiful than the kikes who wrote the bible deserve.

>>510996225
Funny the memeflaggot couldn't respond to this lol

>>510996754
>I don't have any morality of my own
NPC confirmed.

>>510996793
"Should we have"

>>510996764
That doesn't answer the question though

>>510996878
I guess that doesn't explain why it's a "sin" exactly - but making her sick by pumping jizz into an orifice that can't handle it surely isn't virtuous either.

>>510996711
The rules change according to the circumstances. This has been a common theme since the historical record of creation in Genesis, and it's got nothing to do with God Himself "changing". Disobedience to parents is still wrong, but we now have a better way of dealing with it thanks to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Damn. Apparently, all these years, I have never tipped my supervisor.

>>510997094
I don't cum in her ass

>>510997353

>>510981826 (OP)
God is my father.
All souls are sons of God
We are brothers
All property is God's
I own nothing
I only borrow from father
when I leave I take nothing with me
If I was good, father gives me mansion in gated community
If I hurt my brother I go to lake of fire

Moral of story
you own nothing
you will be happy

If brother steal, He stole from father he go lake of fire
father very generous, no need steal

worship means "work for"
I work for father
No work for boss, boss evil
No work for money, money evil fiat

Moral of story
work for father, father happy
father reward
no work for father, father unhappy

lazy brothers burn in lake
pity them, they no get reward

treat brothers as self
if brother get sick, help brother
if brother cannot work, feed brother

don't be jealous of brother
If brother choose lake of fire no go with him

>>510996793
Evolution doesn't "state" anything, it's not some cold-hearted pagan god. Homo Sapiens are a group-oriented species and our survival has always been based on group dynamics, not just preserving the physically strongest. Those who practiced un-social behaviors were detrimental to the group and died off while those who preserved better social behaviors survived longer. Anything you think is immoral is just unsociable behavior, whether that's murder, lying, or rape. They're considered inherently wrong because the humans that survived did so because the had an aversion to those behaviors. No God needed to "guide" them.

>>510997147
>The rules change according to the circumstances
Ah so this supposed omnipotent and omniscient being is a victim of circumstance like the rest of us.

You almost has a moment of being a genuine person but your NPC programming kicked in.

>>510995999
Because it is unreasonable.

>>510997442

>>510981826 (OP)
sick and tired of this argument so I'll lay it out for you and if you don't get it then you're just never going to you obstinate heathen
rule number 1: either you're perfect or you're not god, by simple logic god had to create something imperfect in order for it to be anything other than himself
God created the universe via a simple set of rules, rules that would perpetuate and create the universe we see, these rules give dichotomy, it is through dichotomy that up-down, day-night, good-evil exist, but without dichotomy there is only harmony and in that there can be nothing but perfection, God wanted something other than himself, therefore it had to be dichotomous to exist.
regardless of what rules god used to create the universe there would be a standard set of things which have good or bad effects, determined by how close you are to God simple as, far from god is bad, close to god is good
based on the laws of the universe we have things are bad when they draw you or others from him, so if you spend your life doing drugs you're damaging yourself, unable to worship or act in his will, you prefer your own will, over his the material world is your new god, and it wont save you from becoming material yourself. And nothing material is permanent, the wages of sin is death.
you can also sin by taking others from god, taking away their choice, their life, their ability to learn and grow and worship
recent social experiments aka the modern world has shown us that the old testament didn't outlaw the gay because 'god thinks it's icky' but because homos bring disease, debauchery, drug addiction, child sex crimes, and death of the zeitgeist. For this they drag us from god, for this they drag us into their own hell, and for this they are sinners.
repent you fools, for you are not displeasing a man who wishes you to do as he says, but because god created you to be divine, "made in his image" and you throw away your birthright for a bowl of cold porridge

>>510996878
It does if you understand what god is.

>>510996225
False narrative already addressed here:

>>510990761
>>510992220

God did not command anybody's rape.

>>510997490
To who? My wife loves me fucking her ass and then pulling out and shoving it in her pussy right before she cums.

Seems pretty reasonable to us

>>510997475
>Ah so this supposed omnipotent and omniscient being is a victim of circumstance like the rest of us.

Why would he be a victim of curcumstances? That was His plan from the getgo.

>>510997594
>It does if you understand what my opinion of god is.
Ftfy

>>510997601
>False narrative
Your bible says otherwise
>>510997601
>God did not command anybody's rape
What does it matter if he did? According to you if God commands it then so be it

>>510997730
>Why would he be a victim of curcumstances? That was His plan from the getgo.
Another contradiction

>>510996711
>You're God changed?
>>510997147
>The rules change according to the circumstances

>>510997730
>That was His plan from the getgo.
Then there would be no rules to change and no circumstances if it's planned.

Again, another contradiction

>>510997645
> Seems pretty reasonable to us
You're not reasoning though, are you.
>>510997783
Not just mine. You've been told what god is many times. Admittedly, there are a lot of lies out there.

>>510997783
>What does it matter if he did? According to you if God commands it then so be it.
Lies again, and already addressed here: >>510987331