Why do you hate socialism, anon?

>>511117334 (OP)
Pedophiles aren't a protected class in socialism, naturally this turns your average Pedomerican off.

ching chong thread

>>511117334 (OP)
I don't want to work against my own interest, what if I get rich?

>>511117334 (OP)
I'm pretty sure that socialism here means Marxism and doesn't solve the problem of a loser being useless to the machine and instead makes the process of his removal more efficient.

So I'm pretty sure socialism is also against you but pretends to be in favour of you like some kind of trick.

Kind of weird.

>>511117453
According to Socrates, that's the point.

They got some bad press so disguised the objective.

Marxism is trash

>>511117334 (OP)
I don't hate socialism, I hate people pushing socialism.
Same for capitalism.
The problem is not socialism vs capitalism.
The problem is the people who want you in a system so they can control you and wont let you out of it.

>>511118238
>The problem is the people who want you in a system so they can control you and wont let you out of it.
Yeah it's just simpler to say jews.

>>511117334 (OP)

because people are lazy dumb fucks who can't even manage their own lives properly, so why would the same people do a good job of managing a system of wealth redistribution on a scale of a whole country?

Some people are just married to the idea of owning private capital and joining the petite bourgeois as the only conceivable vision of "freedom." This is the Jeffersonian conception of "freedom" which is why Americans in particular are so obsessed with it: A society of yeoman farmers and small business owners, all kings of their own individualist fiefdoms in a decentralized network of small holders

There's two irreconcilable contradictions with this:
1, and more importantly, it's not fucking possible for everyone to be a part of the owner (bourgeois) class. Somebody's gotta do the real work. You can't leverage wealth without a working class to exploit.
2, in a system of private property and capital ownership, aka capitalism, it's going to inevitably accumulate upwards over time and a few of the small holders become large holders and most of the small holders won't hold anything anymore and they become the wagies of the large holders.

Those are the ones who attempt to conceive a philosophical opposition to it anyway. Most are just low IQ hogs who think soicalism = tranny nigger satanism

>>511118095
>pic
>tfw realizing for the first time that human nature is inescapable
>most people make life a living hell for everybody else through no fault of their own

>>511118883

this sounds like a solid argument, but there are a few things that are in need of articulating further.

1. this does kind of sound dumb, but why exactly is the working class exploited? no one forces them to sign contracts.

2. it is definitely not obvious why the capital ownership would accumulate overtime thus reducing the number of small holders.

there have been countless instances in history, even in very recent history, where huge companies collapsed due to failing to notice a threat from more innovative or efficient "small holder" rivals, thus not being able to adapt to the new reality of the market. whole industries either disappearing or restructuring in a blink of an eye. and that happened even with a system of intellectual rights in place, which is what essentially allows huge corporations to maintain their monopolies most of the time.

>>511118883
Equity is retarded, classism is retarded, go read a book.

>>511117334 (OP)
I like a certain brand of Socialism

>>511117334 (OP)
Every socialist shithole on earth is a testimony to it's cruelty, depravity and disregard for human dignity.

>>511120945
>2. it is definitely not obvious why the capital ownership would accumulate overtime thus reducing the number of small holders.
People who succeed initially have a buffer they can use to succeed more.
Think about it like this:
>We all play a game where everyone has 100 cents: Everyone flips coins: I gain 25 cents if I flip heads, but lose 25 cents if I flip tails
Eventually, a lot of people will run out of money after flipping a series of tails, but a few rare people will get such a large buffer of heads in a row that it becomes basically impossible for them to lose. Because they won early on, they need to fail much more to lose their initial advantage. And this is in a "game" that isn't even competitive. Someone who has the money to spend can spend time to get good at poker and beat people who have less skill and money to make back the money they lost. Once those people are out, they're out, but if you get ahead early, you worry less about failing in a way that wipes you out completely. You can take risks that would crush smaller companies and leverage the advantages of scale, not to mention purchase your competition.

>>511118892
>1. this does kind of sound dumb, but why exactly is the working class exploited? no one forces them to sign contracts.
Exploitation in the economic sense means that you're being paid less than the value you produce with the capital holder pocketing the surplus as profit. This is how all wage employment works by necessity. You would never (rationally) hire someone you weren't profiting from. And economc coercion exists. If no one was "forced" to contract yourself out to wagiehood by material circumstance then no one would be a wagie, we'd all just choose to be owners wouldn't we?

>2. it is definitely not obvious why the capital ownership would accumulate overtime thus reducing the number of small holders.
If a small holder truly threatens a large holder through innovation, something they would already be at a material disadvantage at by nature of having less resources at their disposal, then the large holder can just adapt copy that innovation or just assimilate it by buying out the small holder. The tech sector runs on this system especially. The dream for a startup is to be bought up and then cash out. The saying it takes money to make money is true and already having a lot of it puts you at a massive advantage. It's not to say no large company has ever fucked up bad enough to be toppled (although large private firms are so intertwined with how the entire system functions in modern neoliberal hegemony that we see such private failures necessitate public bailouts to keep the entire jenga tower from collapsing) or that markets never expand for more smallholders to enter them, but the tendency is the rich get richer and there are eventual limits to growth

>>511117334 (OP)
>live in the most centrally planned economy in history
>advocate for more of it because (((they))) told you to
absolute retards

>>511121613
The hegemony is enforced under the illusion of fairness. Right now, it looks like we could demand better, but we don't. The truth is that we can't. The owners of this world would sooner torch everything around them or themselves before they let a modicum of fairness exist in our society. Those with the levers of power are corrupt beyond any reason.

>>511117334 (OP)
I hate Jewish socialism, and jews like you in general.

>>511117334 (OP)
socialism only works in small homogenous populations
and we can see how very fragile socialism is when just immigration leads to the breakdown of the socialist society, as we see in Sweden, etc

socialism only works when everyone has the same concept of what 'society' is and basic customs

Daily reminder:
The State Capitalist/Communist Regime of the Federal Reserve Uniparty

There is Free Market Capitalism, which we do NOT practice. This is when you have competition & the rewarding of success.
We practice State Capitalism (low-grade communism) in which the central bank rewards their buddies whether or not they are successful. They also launder their worthless Federal Reserve Notes into real assets while doing so, which are then held by their private corporation. This is State Capitalism.

Again, NOT to be confused with free market capitalism, which is probably only truly practiced somewhere in the Andes.

The Federal Reserve is a group of 12 private, incorporated, regional franchises (they can each be sued) & is the driving force behind the corporate takeover of our government.

State Capitalism (aka low grade communism directed by the central bank):
>the state has considerable control over the allocation of credit & investment
>planning to protect & advance the interests of big business against the interests of consumers.
>government controls the economy & essentially acts like a single huge corporation
>publicly listed corporations in which the state has controlling shares

The Fed con laid out in 105 posts.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/306098770/
Correction in archived thread: change mortgagee to mortgagor

Fed info & links to house & senate crypto summaries:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/329381702/

Criminal activities of the NYFed's primary dealers
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/342538518/

The NYFed investing in China:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/359651784/#359683568

Ukraine & its owner, the NYFed: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/373203255/

Fed thread: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/389999787/

June 2023 Fed thread: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/428705533/

The irony here is that we are, in real time right now, witnessing the failure of low grade communism, aka state capitalism.

lol we have socialism, socialism OF LOSSES
and the privatization of profits
get it straight
we are basically being robbed fucking blind by the frauds and failures of 2008

>>511117334 (OP)
We had it, it sucks. Cant imagine why anyone would willingly inflict it upon themselves

>>511117453
Beria.

>>511124789
This is the only answer you need.

>>511117334 (OP)
The whole capitalism vs socialism thing is pointless. Neither have ever been tried. In reality there is just different flavors of Judaism.

>>511124789
Publicly Subsidized.
Privately Profitable.

<<<---i am going to have a thread on this tonight
so many empty promises, so little time

>>511125503
he just redpilled 1.7M boomers that the Fed is broke kek

>>511117334 (OP)
The concemtration of power into fewer and fewer hands that socialism requires always ends up more corruot and worse than the greed and corruption it claims to combat. Only worse because the one state oligarchy controls your food, housing, and access to the economy.
Socialism, even hybridized semi-socialist govts like post FDR America where corporations run a socialist regulatory oligarchy, inevitably leads to dystopian dictatorship because it centralizes and concwntrates power into the ruling oligarchs hands.
Captialism isnt a system, so fuck off with calling overregulated post FDR America with capitalism. The US hasnt been capitalist for 100 years.
Enjoy the one (you), now move to China.

>>511125551
and it is also funny mr bessent only mentioned operating losses, b/c if we account for mark to market losses, it's in the fucking TRILLIONS lol

>>511117334 (OP)
>being a bad worker and a looser in capitalism
>you enjoy a neet lifestyle and free tendies
>being a bad worker and a looser in communism
>you enjoy a slave life in a guag and a shallow grave
choose wisely lazy man

and don't let mr bessent fool you, his ultimate goal is to decrease capital requirements

>>511117334 (OP)
As we know, money is power. Transitively, the flow of money between people is the flow of power. In capitalism the power is scraped from the common worker through taxes (federal power), but also through various corporate fees, expenses and subscriptions services. But in socialism, what you have is artificial power at a state level, that attempts to exercise itself, but fails to complete the power exchange, because people don't respect the state's power, they're still slaves to the power of capital ownership, because capital ownership provides actual benefits. So eventually territory lords scrape true power away from the state and become oligarchs. China only works by propping up capital interests and switching in figure heads that can cooperate with the state, completing total transfer if power from people to the state apparatus. so xyz do the math

>>511125639
this post is an interesting point
>lazy skimmers dread real price discovery
both first world and third world are about to become second world

>tech/greed/narcissism/corruption destroys humanity one person at a time
>people are surprised when the world turns into a superficial shithole loaded with people of low integrity, no skills and no standards

Watch as the Federal Reserve Uniparty owns, datamines, monetizes, surveils, and profits from every transaction on the globe:

today, most people are either:
corrupt (they are actively profiting)
compromised (someone is blackmailing them)
complicit (not outwardly doing anything illegal, but looking the other way so they may get theirs)
or
cowardly (they are too spineless to speak up)

We have all been living a horrible lie that only benefits those entities that issue the currency (24 international banks aka the NYFed's primary dealers) and those financial firms that they choose to fund.
This century-long, usurious scheme leads to a grotesque elitist class, inequality, misallocation of capital, and market rigging. This constant skimming by the privately-incorporated Federal Reserve Uniparty leaves the citizens downtrodden and constantly in need of new loans and taxes. Until the Fed has been abolished, we will ALL continue to devolve.

>just a slow, quiet descent into GLOBAL mediocrity, poverty and crime
>The NYFed, and its primary dealers — 24 private, nation-less, financial corporations, destroying the planet with national indebtedness, purposeful arbitrage and false scarcity

>>511125758
>Federal Reserve Uniparty owns, datamines, monetizes, surveils, and profits from every transaction on the globe:
>private, broke Fed gets a fee for every fucking transaction in the government agencies in pic rel

>>511117334 (OP)
Communism is jewish

>>511125758
>Watch as the Federal Reserve Uniparty owns, datamines, monetizes, surveils, and profits from every transaction on the globe:
https://www.bis.org/about/member_cb.htm

>>511117334 (OP)
Ok sure we can do socialism as long as we also have nationalism

>>511117334 (OP)
>thinking you get to be a millstone around the neck of the collective in a communist society
If you don't work you don't eat, parasite.

>>511126046
it looks like the tower of babel kek

>>511117334 (OP)
Capitalists don't care whether you live or die. The government actively wants to kill you.

>>511117334 (OP)
All jewish -isms lead to the same place and fuck you over, it's just you politics worshipers cuckolds are too high on the smell of your own farts to see that. You are all dishonest fucks and deserve to die. All of you bastards.

>>511117334 (OP)
because I don't want to fuck your wife. I'm not interested in labor theory of value to placate rich retard trust fund college students.

>>511126046
>>511126148
>it looks like the tower of babel kek
That's on purpose.

>>511126126
imagine a society in which everyone worked productively, we would all probably have to work 20 hours a week if EVERYONE was working

the skimmers take a lot, they really skew the value of money, as they take so much and return nothing of value or use, they only enrich their own

being lazy is one thing, being lazy AND detrimental is quite another

>>511118238
The Managerial Revolution by James Burnham covers that.

>>511126288
i bet it is

>>511118697
Socialists do a great job of redistributing a country's wealth to themselves.
Even Fidel Castro reportedly had a fortune of $100M when he died.

>>511117334 (OP)
Wow, I never really looked at it like that before. What do you imagine your role will be once we abolish private property?

>>511117334 (OP)
I hate socialists more than I hate socialism.

There are plenty of people who support socialism without having a clue what it is.

>>511126110
You mean communism where the community has right of self determination? Where every single member of the community has equal and fair access of community resources like water, food, health care, housing, education etc? Where the foreigners, globalists and capitalists cannot block you from accessing your community's resources or under cut your jobs and wages? Where the members of community contributes to and take care of each other?
Hmm...

>>511126405
>a great job of redistributing a country's wealth to themselves.
Trump and Bessent's proposals only take the power of currency out of the hands of the citizens and give it to the NYFed

Trump and his economic advisor, Miran, are trying to circumvent #2 in pic rel with forwards (futures for treasuries).
They are trying to make it so the US can sell its gold without paying down the debt.

Miran and Trump want for the major debt holders to swap their short term bills and notes for 100-year bonds, they want to indebt Americans for the next century to the Fed (ultimately via debt-backed tokens of these treasuries (aka securities))

Reminder:
using cash forces these debt based central banks to serve the citizens

>>511126581
>Where the members of community contributes
What do you contribute to your community?

hot and heavy with these three now

>>511126658
whole list

>>511126632
Money through tax.

>>511117334 (OP)
It doesn't work and is inherently anti-liberty
>uh it will work this time just trust me bro give up your rights
Shut up nigger

>>511117334 (OP)
Because Socialism hates me for not being a member of the Party. You faggots bitch about the 1% but want to concentrate that wealth into the .001% that run the Party. Fuck off.

>>511126046
>>511126148
>>511126288
<<<----who's running the place now lol
former head of (debt-based) central bank of mexico lol

>>511118883
>>511120945
Ironically, it's primarily central bank lending (a communist policy) and intellectual copyright protections (legalese bullshit) that enable most monopolies.
Truth is, any system works on a small enough scale. Families are inherently communist.
Some people are content to salve away for others so long as they are reasonably well treated and have a predictable structure in their lives. And they don't see other people lazing around who are of their own class but are materially better off.
Others are natural risk takers naturally motivated to do more or be more.
And some people would prefer doing nothing at all and generally are compelled to either through social pressure, the prospect of starvation, or forced labour.
Socialism rids the first two, so the last is the only alternative when the do-nothings outnumber the workers.

>>511117334 (OP)
I don't. I hate socialism when it isn't tied to ethnic nationalism. I've seen what has happened to the white race over the past century to be used as a paypig for the brown hoards in the west. I don't want to see socialism benefit nonwhites and boomers. I want to see socialism benefit young whites and their families.

>>511117334 (OP)
I probably don't fully hate any isms. They all cram too much stuff in themselves. Some I support, some I'm against.

>>511121476
There are a handful of families where that is the case.
However once they've taken everything they can from the middle class, they turn on each other. And often destroy themselves too.

i picked this up, too

>>511126916
this is a good post

Capitalism and marxism hate me and want me to die, each for their own reasons.

Heil Hitler !

>>511126916
>Families are inherently communist.
A familly is collectivist, but it's certainly not "communist".

>>511122000
They are way too far up to be a problem for us. Truth is, a system works if enough normies are content with it.
The system wouldn't be so corrupt if ordinary people weren't.
Ever wondered why assistant managers and managers in many service industry jobs or low level bureaucrats are power tripping assholes?
You can't blame the people at the top for how they behave. They do it on their own.

Socialists will look at the complete shitholes their ideology produces and say they just didn't do it right.
Capitalists will look at the wealthiest countries in history and say they're not capitalist enough, that they'd be even wealthier with more capitalism.
This is what seperates the capitalistGOD and the socialistcuck when they say a that country wasn't following their system correctly. Even funnier is the socialistcuck self-own when they say that capitalist intervention prevented socialism from working, lmao.

>>511127362
>You can't blame the people at the top for how they behave. They do it on their own.

Unfortunately today, only the sleaziest, most corrupt, dumbest, laziest, narcissistic, and most compliant are rewarded.

>>511125012
>Beria was a pedophile because Stalin said for her daughter to leave the room
>Beria was a pedophile because he was condemned by Khrushev who usurped power and started shitting on all of his opponents who had power, for Beria he actually called Beria a pedophile to instantly execute him
Sorry, but if there is enough proof for you that Beria was a pedophile, then half of US politicians are pedophiles as well.

Money is often falsely equated with productivity, intelligence, class, success, integrity, and/or good taste.
If you equate success with money, you will likely be perpetually dissatisfied, in a constant state of longing.

But if you VALUE THINGS WHICH CANNOT BE BOUGHT, such as:
community
family
work ethic
intellect
fitness
perseverance
cleanliness
honesty
integrity
compassion
tradition
loyalty
reliability
patience
humor
If you value the above, you will always be content and successful, no matter where you are or what you do.
Judge yourself by deed, not possession.

Money does not make food.
Labor, Seeds, Land, Air, Sun, and Water make food— we have ALL of these things WITHOUT fucking money. If you remove JUST ONE of these items, YOU WILL NOT HAVE FUCKING FOOD.
MONEY DOES NOTHING BUT ACT AS A QUANTIFIER FOR FUCKING TRADE.
We cannot have unearned income AT THE EXPENSE OF earned income. Finance must be the servant of production, not its master.

>>511125634
Mark to Market was ditched in March 2009. Green shoots! Remember that?
Market has done nothing but go up since.
What used to be accounting fraud is legal.

>Labor, Seeds, Land, Air, Sun, and Water make food— we have ALL of these things WITHOUT fucking money.
It is our cooperation with each other that they fleece

>>511126695
>Money through tax.
How much taxes did you pay last year? Do you feel you're a net taker or a net contributor?
>>511126932
>the good kind of socialism is where everybody is a paypig so that I can get free shit!

>>511117334 (OP)
Zurstrung sucks

>>511127662
>Mark to Market was ditched in March 2009
only by the Fed
everyone else is accountable to GAAP

>>511125749
Don't use the passive voice for this. Use the active voice. Under Capitalism, WHO taxes?

>>511126712
Socialism is a rather newish political position to be honest... I mean, after ww2 in the US a government was voted in that put workers above anything else within the nation and it did very well.

>>511127765
>>Mark to Market was ditched in March 2009
only by the Fed
everyone else is accountable to GAAP
pic rel

>>511127894
and this, too lol

>>511117334 (OP)
muh temprarely embarassed millionaire or soemthing

>>511126450
yes he said racist stuff in his youth and then spent the rest of his life fighting colonialist powers in africa

Socialists are niggers. Their ideology can be summed up as "I deserve free shit for existing". Do these niggers think even one second about where that "free" shit comes from? What would happen if everyone became a nigger like them?

>>511127841
How many times has it been tried? Now how many times has it succeeded?
>a government was voted in that put workers above anything else within the nation and it did very well.
Because was still capitalist enough to do well. The closer you get to pure socialism, the worse it gets. When the chinks embraced a couple of free market reforms, their dogshit economy finally started growing for example

>>511127667
>we have ALL of these things
>we
Post pics of your garden or food stores with timestamp.

>>511117334 (OP)
I wouldn't say that

>>511126321
Every book I've seen on the topic is about how resources get distributed.

Can you name one book detailing how necessary shit - feeding and housing and clothing everyone - gets done?

Many are content to 'work' as a content creator but how many are willing to dig trenches or fix a roof?

the NYFed is operating on $12B in capital and in the hole itself ~$135B today
this is all that the largest owners of the NYFed (the primary dealers mostly), would be held accountable for, if they failed, lol, you would think the FBI would give a fuck about this, since the NYFed claims to have almost $10T in assets

Thread from Feb 6th 2025 194 posts
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/496654194

200 post thread from Nov 10 2024
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/487963430/#q487963430

the great irony here, is the more cash the public uses, the more it forces the Fed franchises to hold the interest-free fiat as liabilities (aka CIC cash in circulation) and thus, making US taxpayers’ dollars less available to be spent paying out the liabilities of IORB to primary dealers and interest on reverse repo transactions to MMFs

USE FUCKING CASH IF YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE IN

A NATION'S FIAT IS THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN FUCKING HANDS
and this is why the Fed seeks to even abolish paper Federal Reserve Notes, b/c fiat paper mostly SERVES THE FUCKING CITIZEN:

fiat is the common national bond and cooperation of the value of one's labor
if this fiat is issued by a private, debt-based central bank, then the central bank profits from the labor, not the treasury
pic rel is important which is why i post it twice

>How many times has it been tried? Now how many times has it succeeded?
how many times did the us kill everyone involved in trying it you vpnigger kikemuttfaggot?

>>511126417
Kek, that illustrated my point to perfection
>>511128160

>>511128085
remember Chaz's Raz's music video?
i do
i have a fucking folder for everything

>>511128274
<<<<---Chaz's Raz's music video?
this was interesting

>>511128160
>Many are content to 'work' as a content creator but how many are willing to dig trenches or fix a roof?
I'll be running the puppy daycare and serving lattes. Some other poor asshole is going to have to be working in the foundry or slaughterhouse all day.

>>511117334 (OP)
Capitalism - an idea created in 18th century by Adam Smith that all the people, who were mostly serfs and slaves at the time, should be able to own things for themselves and that capital should not be avaiable only for nobility and that hoarding capital by nobility is bad for overall economy and well being of society.

HOW THE FUCK YOU SEE THIS AS AN EVIL THING YOU BRAINDEAD MOTHERFUCKING COMMIE?!

On the other hand you root for going back to feudalism and nobility that calls themselves "central comitee" will rule over you and hoard all the capital and decide who gets what.

>>511128248
The only consolation when these cunts finally get "real communism" will be that they will be the first ones lined up and shot or thrown in a gulag.

>>511128399
>hoard all the capital and decide who gets what.
lol fucking this

>>511126581
Do communists grasp the concept of individual agency?
Society is an illusion.
Most people can conceptualize a maximum of 150-300 individual people before they become an amorphous mass. But lefties in particular seem unable to distinguish even that many.

>>511128441
>>hoard all the capital and decide who gets what.

>>511128075
Like I said, it's a rather newish political position, and has proven to not work as a pure economic stance. But once you allow for workers or the "working class" to control the means of production you get good results. Capitalism isn't a political position, it's just simply an economic mode that allows for capital to flow to where it needs to be allocated, and in general the free market works best under that system, but like I said, once you have a competent government that can allocate capital and labor within a nation and allow for workers to thrive and grow, socialism, as a political system starts to form and seep into the economic framework, but when it does work, I guess people just conveniently don't notice.

>>511126614
Why do you think they are trying to meme Powell out of Fed Chair? His term doesn't end until 2028.

and i would also call pic rel socialist already

>>511128399
cool, it went from a couple hundred indivicuals to a couple thousand that control and own everything instead and we have the slightest amount of social mobility to point at and say "see muh meritocracy"
we should stop evolving the system further at all and pick buzzword to hurl togherer everyone who wants to

>>511128542
he will sit on the board
his fed chair expires next year
powell was installed by trump

lol

>>511128192
>be glorious socialist revolutionaries
>finally able to implement your utopian system that is so much better than capitalism
>get instantly btfo on by americhad capitalistGODS
Socialistsisters... Why does this keep happening?

>>511128513
>But once you allow for workers or the "working class" to control the means of production
Capitalism does not disallow this so if it were truly more efficient, it'd be the dominant corporate structure as it would outcompete other firms
>competent government
Oxymoron

>>511128441
>>511128505
>>511128605
congratulations, now you should be able to get the idea that you do not live in capitalistic countries, but in socialistic.
Elon Musk has billions from your fucking taxes. Your governments steal your money and give it to billionaires, because they think they will use your capital better than yourselves.
THIS IS WHAT COMMUNISM WAS ABOUT.

>>511127319
And the meaningful distinction for the purposes of discussion is .....?

and i throw this in for fun
>no one is surprised at BlackRock shapeshifting in the middle
i'm starting to think vanguard is the klan kek jk

>>511128879
What we have now is classism being disguised as racism and sexism. It is identical to 1913 Russia, but instead of using poverty, the socialists' subversion is in the form of leveraging racial and gender inequities, instead of class/wealth. The socialists cannot use class/wealth now to subvert, b/c the socialists ARE the meritless, debt-based, central bank-funded, GLOBAL elitists.
It is the only way they have left to sow discontent and wrestle more power away from unified populations.

>>511117334 (OP)
socialism is anti-human and i like humanity

>>511117334 (OP)
Because it caters to bums. It steals from people who achieve to prop up lazy fucking losers. All commies are lazy, entitled leeches.

>>511121613
>I deserve $20 an hour and a full retirement package for flipping burgers 2 days a week because...I just do, okay???
"Fair labor value" is such bullshit. When you take a job, ANY job, negotiating a salary and benefits that are "fair" for the work you do is your own responsibility. If you can't negotiate something acceptable to you, you don't actually deserve it.

>>511128844
>Socialistsisters... Why does this keep happening?
because youre kike capitaldaddies are rightfully afraid and naturally murderous
>>511128879
-no one elected musk
-you mix socialism and communism and even name both

>>511117334 (OP)
I hate fat people

>>511129039
>The socialists cannot use class/wealth now to subvert, b/c the socialists ARE the meritless, debt-based, central bank-funded, GLOBAL elitists.
>larry Summers gets around

>>511117334 (OP)
Im deadweight and dont wish to work for the nation in any capacity

>>511129127
>>larry Summers gets around

>>511124789

we need more jeets because market cap of tech stock went up only 10x in the last 10 years and our IPOs are only it top 100 country GDP.

> There's been explosive growth in tech sector valuation over the past decade, particularly driven by major U.S. firms.

>>511127502
I had a rare non leftist professor once who always warned his students about using the passive voice even though it is the proper academic style.
He reminded us that actions always have agents. That every policy decision is still made by individuals.
In modern society there are extremely long chains of compliance - lower level individuals rewarding those higher up from bottom to top - that the entire 'system' is dependent upon.

>>511129156
>>>larry Summers gets around

>>511117843
I'm poor and the socialists here still think I should be paying more taxes. People are opposing socialism because it's bad for them now, not in some theoretical boomer fever dream where we win the lottery.

>>511124789
You don understand that Bessent is part of that right?

>>511117334 (OP)
There is nothing funnier than american communists.

>>511129185
>>>>larry Summers gets around
<<--fucking 1990s

>>511128605
Here we observe a socialistnigger in his natural habitat. He does not care about prosperity, only his false god of equality. So what if the poor of today live better lives than the rich of yesterday? We need to be equal because... We just do okay!
>>511129122
>because youre kike capitaldaddies are rightfully afraid
>"j-just give us a couple of years and we'll totally win! w-we'll show those capitalist chuds!!"
Lmao. Even the soviet union with its 20000 nukes collapsed, you lost lil bro.

>>511129195
i am watching it as a whole, the moving parts are less important to me

>>511129247
There is no prosperity without equality. All heirarchies are excuses to enjoy the fruit of someone else's labour

>>511128844
Capitalism and competition are not synonymous...
Socialism used to mean that workers literally controlled the means of production, which was a pipe dream. But when workers are put in control over their own labor, ideas, and vote what would you call that?

>>511117334 (OP)
Because i grew up in Yugoslavia.

>>511129180
it isn't that complicated
top-down complication just invites corruption
business and government should always be from the bottom up, local first
and we already have this with states' rights vs federal, so we are already ahead of the game
everything is lined up to end the Fed
it is just a matter of time
everyting is skewed now b/c the 2008 frauds are now looting the US treasury about ~$2B/week

>>511129122
>-no one elected musk
And you think anyone elects central comitee in commie parties? You are fucking deluded and uneducated. I lived through commie era in Poland. You are just another retard who thinks somehow if you change name into ocmmunism you will live better. You will not, it will be exactly the same people who rule over you now, that will rule over you in your commie utopia.

Euro Parlament has the name of Spinelli. Italian commie. And EU is going fast to become commie state.
And here we are with you being butthurt about it because you think it is capitalism. It is not. It is pure commie bullshit that makes you poor, that invites migrants to replace you, that gives money to rapefugees and sees you as an enemy of the state for not liking it.

Trump, Musk, Visa, and the NYFed's largest primary dealers are working toward a tokenized-asset platform out of the new Texas stock exchange. Trump and Musk have been quietly working with some of the NYFed’s primary dealers and other fintech players to cement a new global, digital platform with DIGITAL WALLETS (which inherently require a DIGITAL ID) after the big banks and the SEC, etc just spent four years calling crypto a scam and killing off any undesired blockchain competition.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/499902179
^^^^ITT^^^, I outline how this asset-tokenization scheme is designed and its intended consolidation of Federal Reserve Uniparty power behind the scenes out of public view, as Musk and Trump claim the elimination of corruption and fraud, while eliminating any blockchain competition and simultaneously trying to establish a new need for their digital wallets and digital IDs.

As Trump and Musk superficially criticize the poor accounting, waste and fraud in the US government, they conveniently omit that JPM is the account validator for these fraudulent US government contracts/accounts and they ALSO never admit that the BANKRUPT, private 12 Federal Reserve franchises are the US government’s fiscal agents, cutting the 'untraceable' fraudulent checks.

Instead of identifying and rooting out the real financial entities facilitating this waste and fraud, Musk and Trump actively blame the ballooning debt and deficit spending on everything BUT Fed ‘accommodation’ and QE, while they simultaneously aid the 2008 banking failures in their current looting of our US Treasury via IORB and RRP, their further acquisition of tangible assets and their destruction of the value of our labor and national currency.

pic rel
Musk and his MOTHER privately met with Dimon and 200 of JPM's largest investors in Miami on Thurs Feb 6th, days before he began his 'audits' of the US Treasury and USAID revelations.

>>511129551
>the NYFed's largest primary dealers are working toward a tokenized-asset platform
acquiring one fintech company after the next

gg make my lunch

>>511129344
So true Rajesh, it's better if no one has a loo to poo in, than if some people have porcelain loos and others have golden loos
>>511129346
There's nothing (aside from government intervention) preventing workers from starting firms that are controlled democratically. If these firms are more efficient than traditional firms, they should outcompete them, but we don't see this happening.
>Capitalism and competition are not synonymous..
Capitalism maximizes competition, the more capitalist your economy, the higher the competition. If the state steps in and makes competition more difficult, that's not capitalism's fault.

>>511117334 (OP)
I don't, I love National Socialism, especially when it results in the expulsion or more preferably the extermination of filthy kike rats like you.

>>511129755
Workers voted and fought hard to have the right to start worker Co ops, that's socialism at work... but I'm not talking about socialism as an economic force, I'm talking about socialism as a political force, because that's what it has become.

And you don't need capitalism to have competition or maximize competition, it's human nature to be competitive.

>>511121192
Me too. I usually just wait to talk about the good stuff until after the chick let's meet coom

>>511130318
*let's me coom

>>511127699
Net contributor. But we dont even live in communism. I'd be happier if we were. I'd be happier to contribute more.

>>511125877
>>511125999
Digits don't lie.

If socialism is bad for you wealthy Jews would have adopted it yesterday

off to work

A reminder, Federal Reserve Notes are what are being issued to worthless oblivion and
>the US dollar is a fucking UNIT (imagine being so fraudulent you can destroy a unit of measurement lol)

We need to AGAIN issue debt-free, Treasury-issued US Notes like we did before (and during) the bloodsucking, obsolete Federal Reserve. We need to AGAIN issue debt-free US Notes that are pegged to a basket of commonly-used weighted commodities, distributed by a series of state banks.

We can:
1 nationalize Fed banks
OR
2 dissolve Fed and have a series of state banks
OR
3 issue US Notes simultaneously AGAIN and eventually recycle worthless Federal Reserve Notes out of circulation
OR
4 YOU CAN RIGHT NOW: use cash/barter/stack/use credit unions/use cold wallets, these five things IMMEDIATELY transfer power directly to the people

USE CASH, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE IN, cash IMMEDIATELY puts the power in the hands of the people.

Real paper cash:
>is permissionless
>is private
>is anonymous
>has no transaction fees
>works in power outages
>doesn’t need the internet
>don't need to be a coder to use it
>doesn't depend on another party having a device
>everyone knows exactly how much they have
>has no transaction limits or thresholds for reporting
>money laundering is harder with physical cash, due to transport
>is inclusive, it does not see race
>is harder to use in ransoms
>can’t be hacked
>don’t need to remember a password to use it
>IS the ultimate in payment platforms
>using cash helps people to save money and budget
>puts the power directly in the hands of the people
>keeps the currency near the REAL goods and services
>less paperwork
>is face to face, not face to screen
>makes government theft harder
>using cash forces the debt-based Federal Reserve to serve the citizens

Boycott businesses that do not take cash.
NEVER USE YOUR PHONE TO PAY.
Barter is the real torpedo to these fucking clowns.

Why is the NOW over $1.1 Trillion/year in interest paid on our Marketable (aka Public Issues) and Intragovernmental Debt (aka GAS treasuries) never included in the deficit?
B/c the Fed gets paid first by the IRS, as the NYFed is the US Treasury's operating fiscal agent, then what is left over from IRS tax revenues, the NYFed then deposits into the Treasury General Account (aka TGA).
IOW, the fucking interest is taken out FIRST from tax revenues by the NYFed AND IS NEVER EVEN ON THE DEFICIT CHOPPING BLOCK.

With a red sweep, we will be able to see the Federal Reserve Uniparty in full view. Constant gridlock in Congress has concealed the true power of the Federal Reserve Uniparty.
Don’t forget that the right had prior full control for at least a year under Trump’s first term and passed NOTHING in regard to the INSOLVENT, private Fed franchises that are now bankrupting the US Treasury for every last dime they can get (mostly the NYFed).

Why don't we just issue US Notes ONLY for deficit spending? US Notes BENEFIT THE CITIZENS and DO NOT ADD TO our current debt. They could also be digital, only to be used in the US. Why don’t Musk or Trump ever suggest this? This is already fucking legal.
US Notes circumvent the need to borrow our currency from the Federal Reserve, that's fucking why.
Why do ALL of the proposed solutions to our debt only include the bankrupt Federal Reserve?

US NOTES ARE NOT A NOVEL IDEA, THEY JUST DON'T BENEFIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE, WHICH IS WHY US NOTES ARE NEVER MENTIONED DESPITE BEING THE EXACT SOLUTION THAT WE NEED RIGHT FUCKING NOW

USE CASH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

‘Nazis', which is a word that specifically refers to Germans in the 1930s practicing THEIR brand of ‘national socialism’.
National Socialism is really JUST an economic strategy in which LABOR BACKS THE CURRENCY.
The term 'Nazis' is now used to impart a fear of ‘national socialism’ (the innocuous economic strategy that backs money with labor), b/c the status quo REALLY are in fear of national socialism. The classists are really in fear of the people realizing it is their LABOR and productivity that backs our currency.
pic rel fucking 1960s

ok gg see you anons later
ty 4chan for your free speech

>>511130235
>Workers voted and fought hard to have the right to start worker Co ops, that's socialism at work
I'm not sure worker co-ops have ever been illegal, could be wrong though. Anyway, removing market interventions is not really a socialist thing, so I wouldn't call that socialism at work.
>you don't need capitalism to have competition or maximize competition, it's human nature to be competitive.
It is human nature, but it doesn't matter if something is actively stopping them from being competitive. Capitalism maximizes competition because it implies property rights, which implies no artificial barriers to entry in the market in the form of government intervention.

>>511131645
>IOW, the fucking interest is taken out FIRST from tax revenues by the NYFed AND IS NEVER EVEN ON THE DEFICIT CHOPPING BLOCK.

>>511117334 (OP)
If I were poor I would be a socialist. Thankfully I'm rich, so I'm a capitalist.

Being a poor capitalist is the ultimate servile cuck ideology.

>>511117334 (OP)
Have you ever met a socialist in real life? If you did you'd hate socialism too.

>>511131819
Worker co ops never worked because once capitalism took over from the feudal days the capitalists controlled all forms of production and monopolized.
This is why socialism is a rather newish concept, it was seeded by capitalism pretty much.

Capitalism isn't competition, it's just an economic force that allows for capital to flow, nothing more. Markets existed before the ideas of capital allocation, its interesting tho because it took government intervention to actually allow capitalism to form correctly.
Ever wonder how a "turn pike" got its name for example?

>>511132353
>Worker co ops never worked because once capitalism took over from the feudal days the capitalists controlled all forms of production and monopolized.
Apparently co-ops have been a thing since the industrial revolution. I don't see a valid reason why they shouldn't have dominated if they are more efficient. It's not like capitalists were targeting them specifically over any other competitor if we work from the premise that capitalists are motivated solely by greed. Unless they had some conspiracy going where multiple capitalists decided to stop being greedy just to fuck over the workers because "fuck poor people lmao", which just sounds retarded.
>Capitalism isn't competition, it's just an economic force that allows for capital to flow, nothing more.
That flow of capital is what allows competition. If capital is only allowed to flow in certain ways, it will obviously benefit one party over the other, reducing competition.

>>511128899
It doesn’t support the claim of “any system working on a small enough scale” when your example isn’t one.

socialism and communism are ideologies for bootlicking subhumans
anyone supporting them deserves to be liquidated by their local commissar and buied in an unmarked grave

>>511133392
Now that you’ve pointed it out, I don’t think I have ever heard an adherent of either system actually recognize the commissar position. Is it that they think it’s unnecessary and thus not worth discussing?

>>511133466
its something they sweep under the rug and pretend doesn't exist, until it comes knocking on their door to shoot their family in the head for thoughtcrime at midnight

>>511133767
It does seem awfully pervasive for something not required for the system such that it escapes mention when the system is being promoted. Do you think such forces are inherent to socialism/communism? Why?

>>511133298
I don't get why you keep bringing up worker co ops, that's not what socialism is really all about, it can be a component, but it's also a thing within capitalism as well so its a moot point to keep bringing up.
>That flow of capital is what allows competition. If capital is only allowed to flow in certain ways, it will obviously benefit one party over the other, reducing competition
The whole point of being a capitalist is to control and profit off the flow of capital, and use it under the guise of "property rights", what if a nation of people, working people vote for someone who will allocate capital towards infrastructure and nationalizing certain resources? Is that capitalism or more towards socialism?

>>511134375
pretty simple, its a dogshit system that punishes effort, so most people who aren't subhuman hate it naturally - aka "reactionaries" (normal humans)

>>511128899
The meaningfull distinction is their respective definition. Family isn't a marxist system, it has a clear hierarchy and natural order. In this sense it's the exact opposite of marxism, which exchange natural order for equality.

If you want to discuss politics, the very least is knowing the meaning of the words you use, rajeet.

>>511117334 (OP)
I don't hate it. I hate you. Yes, you in particular.

>>511117334 (OP)
>evaluates himself
>realized he's a loser
>becomes communist
That's fucking hilarious.

>>511125999
>Ayn Rand was on welfare.
>Hitler failed to count Stalin's tanks.
>Social Democrats betrayed the revolution.

Look, who gives a shit about all this history? Let's just kill the pedophiles.

all of asia and europe are some kind of socialist.

>>511117334 (OP)
I hate Jews and anyone who isn't white.

>>511138081
"But . . . they are the wrong kind of socialist." ~ Leon Trotski

>>511117334 (OP)
Because I think of government as nothing more than an inevitable evil, a monster that we have keep on the shortest possible leash. The more we feed the monster, the more we lose control of it and the more dangerous it becomes.

>>511117334 (OP)
>why
Here's a book on why:

>>511138242
Turns out, he was wrong. Stalin defeated Hitler and Alex should not have been sniveling about "bad" the war was going.

>>511138242
you have not read that book

>>511117334 (OP)
I dont. I hate communism but not socialism.

>>511138454
I have read it. Those prisons sound about the same as US prisons. Alex also got the cush jobs because he could read. He learned how to read in one of the schools that the Soviets built and was (for a short time) made an officer in the glorious army that defeated Hitler by the Soviets after the capitalists killed his parents in the revolution.

>>511129188
No we dont. Literally not one (1) Socialist does. I want all taxation ELIMINATED for those making under $75k. Including property tax.

Youre fighting ghosts in your head.

>>511138562
proof that capitalism was ever good?

>>511138733
If you are rich, you can rape children.

It almost always devolves into authoritarianism of the most obvious and stupid kind where in capitalist society its the behind closed doors somewhat smart kind so pick your poison. I really don't care what the "ideal" form is since this isnt an ideal world

>>511117334 (OP)
i don't i hate communists and bolsheviks. both of those groups should be tortured to death

>>511117334 (OP)
I'm literally a landlord, why would I vote against my own interests?

>>511131966
>I am for whatever benefits me in the moment.

You are for nothing. You are a psychopathic changeling.

>>511126326
What did he say about it?

>>511138733
I mostly liked how the economy worked in the 1950's. In the 50's we had triple rhe corperate tax rate, jobs paid far more, even the worst ones, houses cost 3x the salary of a janitor and women didnt have to work and we called that Capitalism. That is now called Socialism, and therefore I am a Socialist.

>>511133392
>bootlicking
Demanding resources using force is what the Vikings, Roman's, Celts, Anglos, Franks etc did. You want people to fawn over rich daddies who own you.

>>511139164
I'm "for" me, buddy. I'm out to get what I can get.
Don't hate the playa hate the game.

>>511117334 (OP)
Your own post proves that communism/socialism is for losers LMFAO.

>>511127061
>However once they've taken everything they can from the middle class,
Well that's the point of constant Number Goes Up, right? So there's always more to take. Add consumerism and chinesium, throw-away consumables and you have a working class that never runs out of money to spend

>>511117334 (OP)
There is no such thing as socialism. Socialism if a bunch of compromises to make communism work. Communist ideology is the core of socialism. Poor people love shit like that. Poor win from some form of communism. Unfortunately, everyone turns poor and everyone looses too, but initially the siren't song of expropriating other people's money sounds appealing. The US is a mostly poor people now, so the appeal of communism grows. If you listen to Dems, they literally are communists without calling themselves that. DEI is a turbo version of communism, but even more extreme. You people will get what you want. Shitskins attract to communism like flies to shit. Shitskin communism is not even Soviet communism, it's Zimbabwe like. Savagery, hunger and idiocy define it.

>>511125758
>today, most people are either:
>corrupt (they are actively profiting)
>compromised (someone is blackmailing them)
>complicit (not outwardly doing anything illegal, but looking the other way so they may get theirs)
>or
>cowardly (they are too spineless to speak up)
what makes you think it wasn't/won't be the case under socialism?

>>511117334 (OP)

because the world is full of enough lazy beggars as it is. We need more people producing and less artists seeking alms.

>>511137862
Marxism is not about equality, it's about the individual being able to maintain their self worth and individuality.

>>511139490
>a higher base salary is socialism
You don’t know what any of these words mean.

>>511140998
>this economic system is ackchyually about [adjectives that are “good”]
Hahaha. Shut the fuck up. This is a comically stupid post

I just come here to post this and steal other commie memes

>>511138715
>literally not one socialist
>except all the self styled socialists that raise all tax bracket rates
So not only are you a ridiculous liar, but you think a higher salary without ownership of the company is socialism.

>>511141141
It's not an economic system either.
It's a critical analysis of class structurr in capitalism.
Now, marx himself tried to figure out an economic system with his analysis, but thats different from marxism.
And before you make some abhorrent comment about how I'm brown or something. Point out to me where within marxist philosophy is it an economic system and then I'll concede.

>>511117334 (OP)
99% of /pol/tards can't even define socialism, let alone understand how does it work