35yo boomer here.
Here on 4chan there is a romanticization of friendship and friend groups.

In reality, friendships work best when you're fairly distant and only see each other occasionally for a couple pints. Anytime you get really close, and especially when you try doing business with friends or going on long trips or shit like that, it all goes to hell and you end up despising each other.

I'm terms of support and advancement, friends haven't been useful to me even when I did them serious favors. They can lend you a tree fiddy or pretend to be a colleague for a background check call, that's about it, if you as them to really take risks for you or inconvenience themselves, they will mostly bitch out. I conducted the experiment of helping people out a lot and seeing how much that would advance my own social-financial-sexual situation, and the rate of return was AWFUL.

Blood brothers will turn on each other. Childhood BFFs. Loyalty is a sort of larpy act that stops as soon as one of the players reaches some arbitrary limit.

So don't feel bad if you don't have friends, focus on building yourself up. I think for INTJ/INTP, antisocial, individualistic, outsider types like the ones gathered here, friendships are unlikely to really add much joy to life. Even normies increasingly seem to be getting atomized.

Born alone, die alone, as sad
as this reality is.
inb4 muh societal collapse gang warfare: lift, box, weapon up. You'll be handier when the time comes. Under the right circumstances, white gangs will form almost spontaneously, having friends from beforehand isn't very important.

tl;dr friends are VERY overrated, practically worthless.
Have your experiences been similar?

>>511174169 (OP)
>I'm terms of support and advancement, friends haven't been useful to me even when I did them serious favors
Your issue seems to be viewing friendships as transactional when that's far from the point. Friends exist simply for their own sake, if you want to leverage others for your gain looks to your work colleagues / subordinates / randoms.

>>511174169 (OP)
maybe its because memeflag jewing?

>>511174433
What you're saying is the NPC feel-good programming.

In childhood maybe yes, friendship is idealistic and enjoyable in and of itself with no transactionality to it whatsoever. I grant you that.
But in the adult world, things like coming over to hang out when your buddy feels down, or backing him up against unknown opponents in some conflict, or lending him money, or letting him crash at yours for a month or two, that's all transactional.
If he won't do shit for you and you did the above for him, then he's just someone to chitchat with like women.
I'm saying the brotherhood ideal is a mirage, it doesn't exist between men, at least for problem kids like the typical anon.

31 year old bloomer here

I grew up to my early twenties with people I knew since pre-school.
>they were from richer families(doctors, chartered accountants)
>as pretentious, stuck up, and fake/girly as youd expect
>if the event involved popular people, they always tried to keep secrets from me so I wouldnt want to go with them to it
>always sabotaged me, told girls (who were interested in me/early in dating stages) untrue things about me to make them think im going to cheat, lie, or be a bad boyfriend
>find girl, end up going to marry here
>on my birthday, two weeks before my wedding, they said they werent coming to it and were going to host their own party at their cabin
>feel betrayed, call them out for being shit
>never hear from them again

I am happier alone, without wife/a girlfriend or male friends.
>have dating apps but ignore messages from matches
>guys with similar interests offer to hang out, i avoid and ghost
>my self-esteem is the highest its been, and depression is the lowest

True friendship is rare. very rare. Anything else is draining and setting up for misery. Modern friendships arent normal. Friends used to be, in the olden days, people you had to do business/survival with that you trusted. The relationship where a blacksmith gives deals or free things to a baker, in exchange for baked goods. And to facilitate the good relationship, drinks and conversation would be spent in each others enjoyed company.
Friendship now is almost like playing a metagame into fitting in and rising social ranks/mating in the modern world.

People dont need 'friends' to be happy. thats what family is for, and people you 'work' with(in the modern world, work only applies if you own your own business and have skills/goods to offer - hobbies such as videogames, joint activities, etc. WHat ever you do to feel alive)

>>511175058
Doing others favors doesn't have to be transactional if you genuinely like them and if you can't rely on them to reciprocate they were never your friends in the first place.

>>511175162
Throw a woman into the mix and everything gets worse. Your friends will want to fuck her, or resent you for spending time with her.

I would agree with you that real brotherhood exists, but is exceedingly rare. Seems right to me. I suspect it would, above all else, feel effortless.
Like you could relax for real, relax like you haven't relaxed around anyone since childhood.

>>511174169 (OP)
poland mug haha

>>511174169 (OP)
Friendship is for adolescent males who are still cutting their teeth. Once mature, men enter into a state of competition over resources, opportunities, and of course females. Of course men have many acquaintances, but these are allies of convenience. You do each other favors and that's that.
The only TRUE male bond is through blood. Your relative marries their relative and they have a child - now you're bonded for life. Everything else is just a fantasy from dudes who are either still young or friendless dudes pining for greener grass.

>>511174169 (OP)
I'm down to one true friend. All the other ones have faded out of my life except for that one. I suppose that's a good thing though, time acts as a filter in this case.

>>511176168
Brothers slay each other over hurt egos and ancient resentments. I don't think blood does the trick for many people.

>>511176288
I'm down to two. The better friendship is the one where expectations were always kept lower.

>>511174169 (OP)
inb4 'muh zogbot stories'

kubrick's film 'paths to glory' illustrates something most every veteran has seen. it isn't the enemy you have to worry about so much. as the nogs say 'it be your own people'. part of the zogbot brainwashing process is to make you believe this flimsy as fuck lie that everyone else you are with in your unit/division/crew/platoon/whatever won't lie/mislead/trick/steal/connive against you.

cannibalism in the military is such that anyone who has been around the navy knows that a 1st trying to make chief is the snakiest motherfucker in the world. problem is, I have also seen ground units stuck overnighting off-base during a multi-day combat operation. they need a few helos of replenishment, not to mention someone on the fucking radios in the operations center. the operations center staff were out playing grab ass during salsa night at the pizza place on the boardwalk on Kandahar airbase. that's a mouthful, but it boils down to this- leaving men out in the middle of trashcanistan, in the middle of a combat op, while they tryna-get-they-dikk-sukked is something they used to tie men to poles and shoot them for.

what I am getting at is that, pretend-friends and comrades and the snakiest, cheapest, slimiest pieces of shit when provided an opporunity where they will

1- think they won't get caught
2- think you will never find out

I had guys accuse me of sedition during security clearance interviews. we got drunk together and sang sailor songs, and somehow it became a good idea in their head to tell a federal investigator that I had seditious plans? I've also seen senior guys delegate a task to a junior, only to have that junior get killed. kubrick was spot on with that film.

people will fuck you every chance they get.

>>511174169 (OP)
I've got 4 close friends I still chat with and play CoD with occasionally, but this list was widdled down from about a hundred or so as a freshman: 5% of humans are worth it, anon. Hold out for that 5%

>>511176852
Very interesting

>>511174169 (OP)
for normies, I like to think of the popularity contest. the kids who won those in school were not the ones who made sure to be friends with everyone. the popularity contest winners were the ones who could suss out who of the other classmates which they need to form strategic friendships with.

lord of the flies shit. continuing-

as the kids reach their teens, they realize that some of the other popularity contest winners, the clique of probably 20 or so in a pecking order, that the lowest rungs have to be ostracized. the reasons for doing so are irrelevant, losers have to be culled to keep the pecking order.

the way to prevent being culled, and kept in the cool kids popularity contest winner clique is to form some sort of exchange-based relationship. that might be having a car, a place to smoke pot after school, whatever. because, and here is the crux-

adults do not make friends without a motive.

that means, if you try that adolescent carebears friends forever zero motive bullshit, you'll be seen as an outsider, a threat. the popularity contest winners learned that every adult relationship has a transaction, and if one side doesn't do that, it sets off alarm bells in their head. that can result in pretend-friend behavior, scamming you, backbiting you, keeping you around as a bitch boy, a 5th wheel that no one ever invites, etc...

essentially, friendship without motive, it makes you the gimp.

>>511176487
That and if you still get along sober.

>>511174169 (OP)
I am still friends with people who I was friends with in college. It is hard to make friends at work, but it is nice having people who I can hangout with that isnt family or coworkers.

there is also a correlation between the trashiness of friends and how many taz/daffy/bugs edgy shirts at walmart. those people sell meth to each others kids, then pretend to cry at a funeral.

that happened to my, no shit, prom queen cheer squad valedictorian cousin. her husband became a gacked out tweaker, she ODd, and everyone pretended otherwise at the funeral. hundreds of people. they even started a fucking foundation, and he isn't swinging from the nearest tree.

sometimes, it isn't that people fuck you over. it worse, in that they won't go with you in the middle of the night and lynch someone who deserves it.

>>511177640
This rundown is good enough to become a pasta

Cioran always wins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trouble_with_Being_Born_(book)

>>511174169 (OP)
>especially when you try doing business with friends
You're an idiot.
>the rate of return was AWFUL.
You behave like a kike.
>friendships are unlikely to really add much joy to life
Then the answer is simple. Friends are able to contribute to each others happiness, which allows them to enjoy hanging out.
You don't contribute to that, and seem incapable of being happy in a group to begin with. The problem is you expect value, yet fail to consider that you possess none that others want. Your ideas and your schemes mean nothing to others, and so the 'rate of return' is exactly what you provide them: nothing.
>>511177640
>friendship without motive, it makes you the gimp.
This what using 0% of your foreskin looks like.
>you'll be seen as an outsider, a threat
If so, you'd have respect.
But you've never had that in your life, because you do not deserve it.

>>511174169 (OP)
Friends are also incredibly needy. Most of my friends look to me to trauma dump and entertain them and don't reciprocate. They aren't all losers either some of them have wives and kids and they all work. The best time to have friends is youth after 25 it becomes shit most of the time.

>>511177644
Ten-four. The dude did AA recently and apparently found everyone he knew except me insufferable or just boring without the booze.

>>511178620
don't call me an idiot, you FAGGOT

>>511174169 (OP)
All the bros I grew up with, all the promises we ever made, it was all talk, those fucking bitches just got married and do nothing but defer to their bitch wives. Honorless. Disgusting.

>>511178756
Have it your way you fucking nigger.

>>511178825
dont call me a nigger, you COCKSUCKER

>>511174169 (OP)
Shut the fuck up your friendless loser. Get a life before you die. People don't spent time with you because you are boring.

>>511178620
>If so, you'd have respect.
I recall one time on a joint op with your noncyboy submarine dechaineux or whatever french frog fag shit you guys called it.

we were in freo, down near the esplande, and goddamn it if I didn't see an aussie hussie sucking away on some drunk dick. this wasn't even at night, man, it was during the day. I mean, we had just gotten around to going down to the train station to go do some faggot wine tour and we see not one, not two, but three bogan skanks out there like some goddamn diesel engine pistons.

and you know what's worse? I mean, nasty. It was when we got down to the swan tower to take one of those faggy riverboat tours to get cheap wine and drunk, that it happened again.

I mean, at first I thought the sandnigger afghans were bad for fucking whatever hole they can find, but at least they took that business behind a wall or something.

at least.

>>511174169 (OP)

Nice blog faggot XD

>>511178823
They became wife guys?

>>511178900
This how the average person thinks. They are only there when the times are good and you provide value (good times, high energy, money, social benefits, or anything else they can leech off you to their benefit it can be anything really).
As soon as you are down on your luck, defeated and low energy they will ditch you.

The COVID hoax exposed most people and basically there is no coming back in this life. Social contract is off and everything else as well.

>>511174169 (OP)
I just watched the documentary Skinheads USA: Soldiers of the Race War.
It's pretty cool how well they all seemed to get along with each other. Though they're young and impressionable and we don't see their whole lives.

>>511178976
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>>511178962
Nigga you should make some threads about war and bumming around, you've got STORIES

>>511179144
>memeflag

>>511174433
How could it be anything other than transactional? Even if you only have the friend for, that’s a transaction. It being transactional doesn’t mean it has to be soulless

>>511179193
they weren glorkin' those meat snorkels like you wouldn't believe. I swear, man, you know how lot lizards are here in the US. they always have that look to them, even when they are starting out in their 20s. you can just tell that they belong in a photo shoot for some vague drug rehab program.

that was the #7 scale quality of their women. they had a saying "the british women made the finest sailing men the world has even seen, with their cooking and looks". and I have to say, whatever gutter slut ditch pig skanks that they sent over with the prisoners to populate that godforsaken shithole of a continent with the most primitive humanoids in the world.

it did not surprise me one bit that they were australian.

>>511179151
Alt right and Nazi bros didn't seem to fully trust me. That was a crying shame because of all the friendships I've experienced, that kind of thing where you go with buddies on vandalism/brawling/arson quests was probably the best feeling ever. I guess after cville everyone was paranoid about feds, but as it happens I was straight and true, just a little brazen

That camaraderie felt AMAZING though, no cap frfr

>>511178881
Albanian nigger.
>>511178962
You still went and paid the hooker though, didn't you?
Because the skanks, the bogans, and the fucking sandniggers all have a better handle on interacting with each other than you and your partially degloved cock.
You're the eternal gimp, and whenever you walk into a room: yes, it's everyone stopping to look at you, because you don't belong. They know it, you know it, and it's never going to change. Get mad and go postal, or roll up and submit to your fate. But it's never going to improve, because you are what is wrong with the situation.

>>511174169 (OP)
>35yo boomer here.
it only gets worse
>the rate of return was AWFUL.
that's why I stopped.
>Have your experiences been similar?
worse
>>511175058
>But in the adult world, things like coming over to hang out when your buddy feels down, or backing him up against unknown opponents in some conflict, or lending him money, or letting him crash at yours for a month or two, that's all transactional.
this
>>511175162
>True friendship is rare. very rare. Anything else is draining and setting up for misery. Modern friendships arent normal. Friends used to be, in the olden days, people you had to do business/survival with that you trusted. The relationship where a blacksmith gives deals or free things to a baker, in exchange for baked goods. And to facilitate the good relationship, drinks and conversation would be spent in each others enjoyed company.
Friendship now is almost like playing a metagame into fitting in and rising social ranks/mating in the modern world.
this

I've gone to therapy/counseling and all that shit and all it does is mask the truth and results them recommending cope meds because the meds that they want 'you' on are needed so that the people around you don't feel uncomfortable.

Anon is Right.

>>511179144
checked
yes, they want to take take take, even when you're beaten down.

lets train the AI

>>511179592
the aussie submariners that we had on our boat made us watch that movie about chopper read or whoever. some bogan shitsack that those australians have as one of their faggot folk heroes.

at some point, when he is getting stabbed, one of our crew guys said something to the effect of "thats what a real man is" and one of the aussies piped up

"I'd sure let him fuck me wife."

let that hang.

>>511174169 (OP)
That's because you don't have forgiveness.
Think about it. Are you perfect? Are your friends perfect? Of course not. Both of you know this, but don't operate as if you believe it.
That is why life centered around the Church, around Christ, is so important. Without Him as our rudder and constantly helping us to repent and try harder against our weaknesses, everything falls apart not least of which our relationships.

>>511178687
That's how it goes. Seeing the world through whiskey glasses is a good way to live by the saying "ignorance is bliss".

>>511179523
At the moment it's better to organize and do something productive. It hasn't gotten so bad that violence is needed.

>>511179942
I should add, especially when Feds and others try to their best to ruin your life.

>>511179592
Little buddy,
people who belong in any collective at all wouldn't be here strenuously seething about anons being outsiders.
So what you posted is projection. You feel like an outsider. You think everyone's looking.

>>511179848
Of course we have forgiveness, I think it's hard to find a grown ass man who doesn't consciously cut people slack and give extra chances. It's normal to be somewhat patient and merciful with people.

>>511174169 (OP)
police interrogation and bodycam videos are good too. they show just how quickly people will lie about someone to save their own ass, especially someone they claim to love. just as often, they'll rat someone out too for the same reasons.

>>511179993
>>511179942

Who knows. In 2016-17, there was this euphoric wave of activity and it felt like we would explode irl like this unstoppable wave, and just keep gaining momentum and people.
Since then, the wave got held back for a decade and grew to some unthinkable size, but without catharsis still. WN 1.0 dreams of marching skinheads might never come true, but on the other hand we are now in a place where it's not a fringe ideology.

>>511174169 (OP)
I only ever had one legit friend that I could always trust my back and life to until he passed away. My other 'friends' were friends of convenience at best. They either stabbed me in the back or abandoned me whenever my life went downhill. So I realized that I only ever had one 'true' friend that will likely remain the case until I die. A pity he passed away but he was honestly too good a guy for this shitty world that couldn't stand someone like that.

If it weren't for him I wouldn't have thought 'true' friendship was ever possible. Much less comraderie in general.

>>511180822
There was a statistic somewhere, that something like 1/3 are traitors without pressure, and 2/3-3/4 become traitors under pressure.
COVID tyranny totally confirmed that.

>>511180571
>somewhat patient and merciful
that's the problem. Your patience has a limit, and eventually it will be exceeded by your friend's failure. Same of your failure and his patience.
But Christ calls us to constantly strive as our primary life goal, in many directions forward, and against all negative passions as well.

>>511180571
>>511181019
We will never be perfect at this, in this life at least. We will always have a limit where we can't feasibly go beyond to forgive. But if you and your friend were both constantly struggling, you would be in a much better place.

Think the despising part is more because of finding out how fucked up someone is, and that they refuse to change this characteristic at all about them. Usually goes one way, and if you continue interacting, will often go away in a couple months until resurfacing. Think it'd vary by the person, that not everyone will have a quality to them that you really hate.

Also, at a young enough age, friends seem to be someone that you enjoy being around and vice versa. The support networks meaning that you don't really need to care about who is owing whom.

>>511174169 (OP)
>couple pints
I lose 3 to 5 business days a week due to
>couple pints
Life is hell

>>511174169 (OP)
Friends are important because self isolation is worse than depression trust me

>>511179144
covid was the end of any societal normalcy in my experience. its been more fake and gay every day since then and everyone i knew drifted away

>>511182511
Bro, your imgcap post is exactly what Father Josiah says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX2T4icIFic

https://youtu.be/uUqEB35kVE0

skill issue

It's kind of like if you tell someone "this guy betrayed me and I didn't care" and "my girlfriend I'm engaged to is psychotically paranoid about me cheating on her" then it takes an honest person not to give into that temptation. Not giving any weaknesses out unless they've said an equivalent one of theirs. Many just find it fun to be an asshole.