Or at the very least a massive exaggeration. Relocating 12million people to another continent with 1700's tech and logistics does not sound plausible. I don't think we could even do that today if we wanted to.

I do believe some Africans were imported, but far less than we are lead to believe and under much more nuanced circumstances than the modern narrative expresses.

>>511249698 (OP)
didnt it happen over something like 160 years?

The holohoax is a massive exaggeration.

271k, mostly typhus.

>>511251354
More misrepresentation.
Jews taking credit for Slavic deaths.

>>511249698 (OP)
Not my problem mulattoboy.

What difference does it make how many? No one is saying "It's terrible that you forced THIS MANY people into chattel slavery" as if some lesser amount would be okay.
Whether it's 12 million or 12 thousand, humans are not property.

>>511252695
not to us, not anymore. most the rest of the world hasn't developed that far yet and slavery is still very much a thing but, on no, its the civilized white man that must feel guilty. fuck that.

>>511253461
There is no country in the world where chattel slavery is currently legal, institutionalized, and sanctioned by the government the way it was in the United States. Slavery still exists but it is a crime everywhere, as it should be.

>>511254055
>chattel slavery is currently legal,
No but it's still functionally a thing in many African and Middle Eastern countries.

Take a place like Mauritania, for example, chattel slavery is pretty much baked into their culture.

Crazy thing is, if you tried to "free" them, they would likely tell you to fuck off unless you're getting them a ticket to a 1st world country.

>>511249698 (OP)
The majority ended up in the Caribbean, South America, and in the Arab nations. Only a small fraction ever ended up here. And about a 1/3rd of those who did, managed to make it to the free states by the time the Civil War popped off.

>>511254055
yeah sure, its a 'crime' and that means its not happening with the blessing of 10 gorillion paid off cops and other government officials. anon, slavery was normal fucking everywhere back then and forever before that, more or less. white men in the UK and USA were pretty much the first to make it illegal and then go about forcing everyone else they could reach to stop it..

there are many places in this world where actual slavery of that kind still exists and everyone there knows it. dont be so naive. it doesn't matter what the 'official' line says.

>>511251761
>t. Fingolian

>>511249698 (OP)
Pretty sure it's real, but it was aliens. White people aren't smart enough to do it by themselves.

>>511249698 (OP)
the only other option is that nigs were already living in parts of the Americas

>>511254695
things is, we are. apparently not smart enough to consider the consequences though. thats one thing the muslims did right. if you're going to have nigger slaves you dont leave them able to breed and you kill your own people who start fucking the women (if you even bother bring any women in the first place)

>>511249698 (OP)
The purchase and transportation of African slaves by whites is absolutely dwarfed in every metric by the Arab slave trade, which started earlier, reached further, was inherently more heinous because of castration, and which lasted longer (technically it's still going on).

>>511249698 (OP)
agree. niggers reproduce like rats you dont need to import 12 million of them

>>511254695
It wasn't aliens. They were stuffed into ships like canned sardines.

>>511254364
>>511254321
>B-b-b-but
No. Slavery is evil and slavers are criminals everywhere. It is an abomination and one day everyone will be made to reckon with that, even the criminal overlords who currently hide and pass dirty money. Instead of equivocating about it like a moral relativist BITCH, why don't you be proud you live in an egalitarian civilization where the natural human rights bestowed upon us by our creator are acknowledged and enshrined in law?
If you are so proud of your slaver ancestors, maybe you should be sent to join them.

>>511255233
this. i never saw anyone telling the muslims to feel bad and pay 6 gorillion rials to say worry though. and we never even castrated the bucks.

>>511255205
>thats one thing the muslims did right.
Virtually every Muslim country has a "zanj" minority. Sudan is an entire country of black-ish Muslims.

>>511255516
>They were stuffed into ships like canned sardines.

Oh, this image is in color now? Back in '93 when I first saw this image, it was just in black and white.

>>511255516
Pretty sure this is a propaganda picture. The biohazard situation this would create would kill everyone on the ship.

>>511255547
>Slavery is evil and slavers are criminals everywhere.
some kinds are. some are entered into voluntarily.
im proud though not glad we in the west abolished the bad kind of slavery and spent our money and lives fighting against it. thats why ill never bow down to nigger looking to make a slave of me and my people because we've already paid that debt.
im just saying that the rest of the world mostly hasn't got even that far. thats all.

>>511255698
well, nothings perfect i guess. i know that nowhere in the world do blacks live as well as in the US and other freed nations

>>511256043
Idk man. A black person with enough money to live abroad is probably better off than a black dude stuck in a Baltimore slum..

>>511256534
and he's probably related to a warlord of an african 'nation' sponging money from the west or smuggling diamonds and oppressing his own people.

>>511255834
Yeah, it does look bullshit. It could work if it was like a 24 hour plane ride, but stuffing people on a ship for weeks and months would kill everyone from diseases because of all the filth.

>>511249698 (OP)
I broke grok by asking how many slave ships there were.

>>511258308
for sure not all the old records have been put online and who knows if the records are even in existence anymore. but what we have a metric gigaton of niggers in places they shouldnt have been, loads of people talking about slave ships, talk of dealing with african niggers selling capture niggers to the whiteman, talk of the whiteman buying them at market, talk of groups set out to find escaped slaves, and so on.

what we dont have are any records or talk about aliens moving the niggers from africa to the Caribbean, south america or the US.

my money would be on the whiteman just having lots of big sailboats that he stuffed with niggers and sailed across the atlantic for a couple hundred years because it seemed like good business. the whiteman shoulda knowed better.

>>511255834
>>511257022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_(1781_ship)

>Brooks (or Brook, Brookes) was a British slave ship launched at Liverpool in 1781. She became infamous after prints of her were published in 1788. Between 1782 and 1804, she made 11 voyages from Liverpool in the triangular slave trade in enslaved people (for the Brooks, England, to Africa, to the Caribbean, and back to England).

Guess who owned and ran the ports? Where was the first synagog in north america located?

>>511258714
looks like I killed the thread

>>511259919
it happens. dont worry about it

>>511258714
Did propaganda not exist in 1781.

>>511250898
It probably went on much earlier than admitted.
Most slaves wound up in Brazil which was the Portuguese colony but their empire ended in the 1720 earthquake.

I never thought the logistics added up with the timeline.

>>511260582
>>511258714
11 voyages in 22 years.
Now do the math for an estimated ten million over three centuries. How many boats would be needed? How many trees would have had to be felled to build them?
All before the steam engine and motorized saws.

>>511261417
maybe it did i dont know. maybe less were moved than claimed, could be. fact is still that theres way too many over here than should have been left in africa.

>>511261777
read the fucking link

>In 1796, 103 vessels sailed from English ports, bound for the trade in enslaved people

>>511255834
>Pretty sure this is a propaganda picture.
>>511257022
>Yeah, it does look bullshit.

It was made by a school teacher who never saw the ship.
It was how he imagined it but he had no more information than any other random person at the time.
Just an illustration to show the kids at school.

Later it was used as propaganda yes.

>>511263207
yeah it was even worse

> The image portrays 487 captives, while on the voyage prior to when the measurements were taken the ship held 638 captives, the next journey 744, and the journey following the measurements, 609.

>>511261777
>Now do the math for an estimated ten million over three centuries. How many boats would be needed?
I'm also curious and I own a calculator

744 max capacity according to wikipedia
10M / 744 = 13440 voyages
At 11 voyages per ship that would require 1221 ships
Spread over 300 years with ships lasting 22 years / 11 voyages, you'd need 90 operational ships at any time (completing 45 voyages per year combined)

>>511262625
>>In 1796, 103 vessels sailed from English ports, bound for the trade in enslaved people
So that should be plenty if they were all as big as the Brooks.
Although most were probably smaller.

>>511264152
and?
that was just one country
the dutch alone had 2000 ships
you people all sound like shitskins surprised how advanced the white man was 400 years ago

> During the early modern period, Dutch slave traders bought and sold over 1.6 million enslaved people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Netherlands

>>511263422
You can fit a lot more people if you have them shit rather than lay flat.
That's exactly why that illustration looks so dumb.

>>511264531
Learn to read

>>511249698 (OP)
>Or at the very least a massive exaggeration. Relocating 12million people to another continent with 1700's tech and logistics does not sound plausible. I don't think we could even do that today if we wanted to.
Smartest /pol/tard

>>511249698 (OP)
>exaggeration
Yes
But, never underestimate the lengths of jewish greed.

>>511249698 (OP)
You are an idiot or at least a massive retard

>>511255516
>They were stuffed into ships like canned sardines.
but you peeps lived like that for millenia and still call it 2civilization".

>>511249698 (OP)
NEVER ASK YOURSELF HOW A HNDFUL OF COASTAL FORT GUARDS OR FATIGUED SAILORS COULDVE CAUGHT AND TRANSPORTED ALL THESE NIGGER FROM TH INLANDS, ACROSS SEVERAL TRIBAL TERRITORIED AND KINGDOMS ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE COAST:

NEVER ASK YOURSELF THAT. OR YOURE A RACIST PIG.

>>511249698 (OP)
Don't forget that niggers breed like niggers

((((((((((((((trans-atlantic slave trade))))))))))))))))))))
>We all know who owned the boats and ran the trades

>>511249698 (OP)
12 million over 20 years or so is definitively possible.

>>511249698 (OP)
Imagine what America and Africa would be like today if we just picked our own damn cotton.

>>511264600
youre not making a point

>>511254055
"nothing changed, just the names and faces ...."

>>511249698 (OP)
I remember crunching the numbers years ago of number of slaves sold, and their average price per slave, and it made no sense at all. Either the numbers brought over were greatly exaggerated, the average price was, or, most likely, both numbers were

>>511268158

>>511269779
>I remember crunching the numbers years ago of number of slaves sold, and their average price per slave, and it made no sense at all
what made no sense?

>>511269930

niggers have no money and yet somehow multiply at an exponential rate in the billions of niggers

>>511254321
>african governments too weak to prevent citizens from being enslaved
>this is the new standard to aim for

>>511269930
probably the cost vs the quantity. add in resales and there isn't enough money, unless lesser quantity

>>511255516
Boy's

?
This is fake.

>>511268125
I was agreeing with you you dumb nigger

>>511252695
>What difference does it make how many?
If your mother was a whore you would definitely want to know if it was one month or one decade and which version is true.

>>511249698 (OP)
The more you dig into the timeline of North America the more you realize that none of it makes sense. MASSIVE, ornate stone buildings built in 1 or 2 years (post offices, city halls, asylums....), civil war pictures, star forts, etc.
His story.

>>511249698 (OP)
Yeah I can jive with that. Sure wish they hadn't though

>>511255516
I'd be tucking my shit put me in the woman's section boss

>>511266645
Well the white man didn't catch the bushniggers, the more settled niggers did that and then sold to them to the (((white))) man for gibs

>>511271925
>in the woman's section boss
In a situation without any form of hygiene?

No.

>>511272158
Ew, cooties

>>511269930
Mind you, we haven't found 1 definitive "slave ship". A ship purpose built to shackle people up.

>>511272152
>Well the l.ight brown man with curly black hair didn't catch the bushniggers, the more settled niggers did that and then sold to them to the (((light brown))) man for gibs

Corrected.

>>511272158
When niggers get horny they don't care if you're a woman it's why they are all dying of aids you really rather be smashed between a bunch of horny niggers

>>511272429
>>511258714
read the thread

>>511273148
Do we have the ship to prove the drawing is accurate?

>>511273287
read the link, dumbfuck

>>511273394
So we don't have any actual proof of it's existence except hearsay?