Is actual legal equality between men and women possible in the real world? Or only in theory?
Obviously in western countries today men are defacto 2nd class citizens. Men are on average the only net taxpayers, women use much more welfare on average, boys can be legally circumcised on every country on earth, circumcising a girl is a criminal offense in western countries, only men can be drafted in basically every country on earth when drafted ALL men between ages of 18-60 can be legally forbidden from leaving the country, all women are allowed to leave the country many receive government assistance fleeing and get welfare in the other western countries they flee to, men can and have been falsely accused of rape and imprisoned with literally zero evidence against them other than the women accusing thems testimony, men have less rights to see and have custody of their children in divorces, almost all alimony and child support is paid from men to women, men are roped into marriages they don't want to be in through common law marriages, paternity tests are illegal and men are forced to be cucks paying for kids that aren't there's, there's less shelters for homeless men or male victims of domestic violence and much of that is because the government doesn't fund male shelters as much, the government payment professors etc collude to hurt men by forcing companies and schools to hire a certain amount of women, it's basically illegal to have an all male company you'll get sued, you can't treat your female or male employees however you want (don't like being forced to wear high heels or having your boss flirt with you as much as he wants? You're free to quit anytime) because you'll get sued, women can murder your children with zero consequences but you must pay child support no matter what, debtors prison is completely gone for everything except child support and not paying a fine after being convicted of a crime,

>>511295323 (OP)
ofc not. feminism can only exist when protected by laws/government.

>>511295323 (OP)
I hit character limit because men are such second class citizens.

amber heard will never have to work at McDonald's after being sued and told to pay like 8 million dollars in damages even though her net worth was only like 2 million.

I don't even have a problem with REAL feminism meaning men and women are treated equally by the government but I'm starting to think real feminism is impossible just like real capitalism or real socialism "never been tried". I know we'll never have perfect equally but is it ever going to be possible for men to not be second class citizens without having to treat women like cattle? Or is the only way for men to not be slaves and second class citizens to take away women's rights and make them second class citizens at best of basically just property at worst like they have been for most of human history.

Again I'm not even sexist.

>>511295407
Can't women just be treated like men?

bump

>>511295323 (OP)
>>511295596

Everything you complain about is men's fault.

The man is the biological ordained authority by virtue of being bigger and stronger than the women and can ultimately do whatever he wants.

women were put on the pedestal they don't even know what they re doing up there.

>>511295651
Not yet. They're a source of new workers.

The benefits of being a woman are far outweighed by the negative, which is you will always be retarded.

Real equality isn't possible because women will always be superior.

>>511296137
Yes but not all men

Obviously women can't enforce their own rights. If enough men decide women shouldn't have rights there's nothing they can do about it. It doesn't have to be 51% either Spartans fought guys off outnumbered 7 to 1
>>511296190
Wdym
>>511296220
Yes but retarded men exist. Women can coast on their looks

>>511296288
At what? Manipulation? Giving birth?

>>511296356
>Wdym
Is biology lost on you?

>>511296419
Would artificial wombs fix this?

>>511296650
That's the 'Not yet' part.

>>511296728
What about legalized surrogacy? It could be like 20k per child and surrogates would have to sign away all their rights

Bump

Second Class

Verse 1
We’re the ones who build the world, but they don’t see,
Pay the taxes, fight the wars, but we’re not free.
They cut our sons, call it tradition, no debate,
But for daughters, it’s a crime—now ain’t that great?
Drafted to the frontlines, while they flee the scene,
Government checks waiting, living like a queen.
False accusations fly, no proof, just her word,
Locked up in a cage, like we never were heard.

Pre-Chorus
They say it’s equal, but it’s all a lie,
We’re second-class citizens, and they don’t even try.

Chorus
We’re done being silent, done playing their game,
Men deserve justice, not this rigged shame.
Real equality’s a myth, like some fairy tale,
Until we stand up, we’re destined to fail.
No more second class, no more chains,
It’s time to break free from these feminist reigns.

Verse 2
Custody’s a joke, we’re strangers to our kids,
Alimony’s bleeding us dry for what she did.
Common law traps us in, no say, no choice,
Paternity fraud’s legal, and we got no voice.
Shelters for the broken, but not for our kind,
Government’s blind when men are left behind.
Quotas in the boardroom, forced to comply,
Can’t run a business without a lawsuit—why?

Pre-Chorus
They say it’s progress, but it’s all control,
We’re pawns in their system, paying the toll.

Chorus

Bridge
Is true equality even real, or just a dream?
Like perfect systems that we’ve never seen.
We’re not asking for much, just a fair shot,
Not to be slaves while they take all we’ve got.
They say we’re oppressors, but look at the facts,
We’re the ones bleeding, with laws on our backs.
If enough of us rise, like Spartans of old,
We’ll take back our rights—no more being controlled.

Chorus


Outro
We’re not the villains, we’re not the foe,
Just men who want fairness, not this status quo.
So raise your voice high, let the truth be told,
We won’t back down, we won’t fold.

>>511296137
>men
You mean simps, faggot, you forget that a small percentage of the male population actually doesn’t worship cunt
We need to start killing simps if we want things to get better

>>511295323 (OP)
Women are fucking pigs, and feminists simply hate men. They’re aware of how society treats us and they like it

On their end they think we deserve it, thanks to the combination of naturally being vindictive creatures and how susceptible the female brain is to kike propaganda. There’s a reason why they didn’t have rights for 2000 years

They’re wombs with legs, nothing more nothing less, and they will know this when this gynocentric society collapses

>>511298541
I think you might be right
I don't know if it's all women but it's enough of them and I think trying to not all x are like that will unfortunately end in disaster for men.
It's sad but true

>>511298744
There’s no “equality”, either you’re standing on their neck or they’re standing on yours
And this dynamic is not limited to gender

>>511298844
Maybe
What about cooperation?

>>511295323 (OP)
Me on right

>>511298882
Like i said, holes are vindictive creatures that lack self awareness…. There is no “cooperation” with a being like that.

Assuming the other party is going to be as reasonable as you is very foolish (and i have learnt this the hard way)

>>511295323 (OP)
No, because men and women are very physically and mentally different. There are some women who think or act like men, but they are rare and we should not try to build a society which pretends we are all the same.

>>511298977
Sure I get that with gender maybe with some exceptions like your own mother but it doesn't apply to all dynamics in life right?
Free will and altruism do exist imo

>>511299102
What about free will? Why can't we expect women to will themselves into acting like men in many ways instead of cunts?

>>511299173
My mother was a violent, misandrist cunt, and i will be happy the day she dies.
“Motherly love” is a meme. Women actually hate their children because giving birth makes their cunts hurt (their sons especially). Women only adored their children when they had to worry about their husbands backhanding them or having them lobotomized for not doing the job God put them on this Earth for.
If that cunt i fell out of was lobotomized I would’ve had a much less violent upbringing

Depends on what you consider "equal". If you're measuring a woman by male metrics then she falls short, and very much vice-versa. Just treating each other like people is do-able, which is probably all you can hope for, but retarded subhumans mixed into every population make this hard. As soon as one acts badly the rest generalize and you get endless shit flinging.

Actually, just euthanize the retards. Looking at IQ spreads, there should be plenty of both left only now without as much stupid behavioral influence in the mix.

>>511299444
I was raised by a single mother so I almost completely get what you mean but isn't there another way? You mentioned God I don't know if you're a theist but if you are what about free will? Can't women choose to love their children and take good care of them if free will exists? If free will doesn't exist and they can't choose that then how could God especially the Christian God ever be likely to exist without free will?

>>511295323 (OP)
no, women are fucking stupid animals we have yet to domesticate fully.

>>511299789
No just shut the fuck up. You’re being a faggot. Women had their place, simps out them into power, stabbing their fellow men in the back for a crumb of pussy, and now society is falling to shit

Put the women back in their cages, kill the simps, end of story

Also my dad was still around, he was just a cunt worshipper like most “men” are now
Picrel was a daily fucking thing. Couldn’t even talk about Pokémon and Runescape with my brother without her being a hysterical cunt

>>511295323 (OP)
Youre living in it right now. Does it feel like its gonna work?

>>511299922
But when people say this about women I'm confused because I just don't see what's so different about men and women that can make men so amazing and women so bad? Is it a male vs female soul? I don't see the evidence for a soul existing at all. Is it just a differently designed brain? What about free will? Hormones? But men act crazy because of hormones too just a different kind of crazy like commiting way more violent crime (not saying that's always necessarily a bad thing)

>>511300022
*simps put them into power

>>511300022
>pic rel
it fucking hurts me to see how my chad friend that married 3 years ago has become exactly that.
He fucking busts his ass to provide for his family and build them a fucking house, and his wife has become eternally bitchy and thinks of herself as being a fucking saint for mostly taking care of their 3 year old daughter. I fucking dread marriage and fucking uppity women.

>>511300082
Jesus christ man fucking kill yourself

>>511300052
No but this feminism is a relatively new thing I wonder if In another couple decades it'll mature and women won't be able to have their cake and eat it too getting all the rights and no responsibilities and all that

>>511300082
>soul
fucking give me scientific evidence for this shit of SHUT THE FUCK UP FROGFACE
women are this kind of retarded because evolution never really expected anything from them except poping out offspring. This "easy mode" how the kids like to call it cause the female brain to be eternaly shot to shit on short term rewards and generally acting like a fucking impatient kid. Sure an adult women knows how to drive a car, how to "live" a life, but they are utterly incapable of doing anything else worth while that could facilitate this lifestyle. No for that she needs a man to "provide" her with an opportunity to be as fucking vile and bitchy as she can be, because in her eyes, she feels like she "lost" most of her Autonomy in that marriage deal. When in reality she is the biggest profiteur of it.

>>511300306
I’ve encountered this faggot before in similar threads. From the way he types you can tell that he’s a very low-testosterone man. Maybe one day he’ll troon out and then ack himself, hopefully

>>511300306
I said I'm agnostic.

>>511300462
going by his retarded augumentation style, its most likely a stupid fucking femoid "researcher" that probing this board for a clickbait article with the headline "evil 4chan mysogonists exposed" BS.

>>511300631
No

>>511300631
Well if that’s so then she better learn her place and get the fuck back in the kitchen

>>511300175
No

>>511301458
Uh did you forget how IDs work?

>>511301582
I don't care

>>511298170
Holy fucking based

>>511302203
I just asked grok on the free 3.0 version I think I had lightbulb mode on

"Write me a pop song based on the text below. It should be anti feminist and pro male.

Is actual legal equality between men and women possible in the real world? Or only in theory?
Obviously in western countries today men are defacto 2nd class citizens. Men are on average the only net taxpayers, women use much more welfare on average, boys can be legally circumcised on every country on earth, circumcising a girl is a criminal offense in western countries, only men can be drafted in basically every country on earth when drafted ALL men between ages of 18-60 can be legally forbidden from leaving the country, all women are allowed to leave the country many receive government assistance fleeing and get welfare in the other western countries they flee to, men can and have been falsely accused of rape and imprisoned with literally zero evidence against them other than the women accusing thems testimony, men have less rights to see and have custody of their children in divorces, almost all alimony and child support is paid from men to women, men are roped into marriages they don't want to be in through common law marriages, paternity tests are illegal and men are forced to be cucks paying for kids that aren't there's, there's less shelters for homeless men or male victims of domestic violence and much of that is because the government doesn't fund male shelters as much, the government payment professors etc collude to hurt men by forcing companies and schools to hire a certain amount of women, it's basically illegal to have an all male company you'll get sued, you can't treat your female or male employees however you want (don't like being forced to wear high heels or having your boss flirt with you as much as he wants? You're free to quit anytime) because you'll

>>511303069
get sued, women can murder your children with zero consequences but you must pay child support no matter what, debtors prison is completely gone for everything except child support and not paying a fine after being convicted of a crime, amber heard will never have to work at McDonald's after being sued and told to pay like 8 million dollars in damages even though her net worth was only like 2 million.

I don't even have a problem with REAL feminism meaning men and women are treated equally by the government but I'm starting to think real feminism is impossible just like real capitalism or real socialism "never been tried". I know we'll never have perfect equally but is it ever going to be possible for men to not be second class citizens without having to treat women like cattle? Or is the only way for men to not be slaves and second class citizens to take away women's rights and make them second class citizens at best of basically just property at worst like they have been for most of human history.

Again I'm not even sexist.

Of course not feminism can only exist when protected by laws/government

Obviously women can't enforce their own rights. If enough men decide women shouldn't have rights there's nothing they can do about it. It doesn't have to be 51% either Spartans fought guys off outnumbered 7 to 1

>>511303069
I will sing it and upload it to YouTube.

>>511303333
Based

>>511295323 (OP)
No. Women are objects and dumb animals, that our brains have to trick us into loving because they're objectively trash. Every single philosopher and thinker has come to hate women, every high IQ individual genuinely predicts that when we'll have functional sexbots and artificial wombs, women will be exterminated.

I dare any man to spend a week with a woman without the right to ever touch her in any way, every single one you put through that experiment will want to bash her head in. Women are the nigger of sexes.

>>511304694
>>511300082

>>511304694
I want a pet woman......

>>511295323 (OP)
It's not possible.
Women are not as capable as men in a shitload of areas, so how could they be men's equal?
That's like asking of true equality between cats and horses can ever be reached.

>>511307403
That's not what I was asking