The number of mainstream browsers that have fallen into the chromium trap is quite high. With the exception of Firefox and a handful of browsers running on the Gecko engine and the Webkit engine, the majority of available browsers have suffered a serious blow to their capabilities, particularly in terms of diversity, innovation, and user control. This consolidation around Chromium has led to a monoculture where browser features, extension ecosystems, and rendering behaviors become increasingly homogenized, reducing competition and potentially limiting the future evolution of the web. ITT I'd like to discuss realistic alternatives to restore browser functionality, general user control, new frameworks for addons/extensions for browsing tools, and browser development currently going on.

>>511305309 (OP)
The political implications is that I uninstall chrome, install firefox and continue to block youtube ads. The end.

>>511305391

Unfortunately Firefox is still gearing their browser to ultimately support manifest version 3. While they are going to continue supporting the mv2-like webextensions api there is no real guarantee this will stick around in the long run, and mozilla is basically already demonstrating that they are willing to follow google's lead by supporting mv3.

#1 rule in life, American corporations are all evil.

>>511305309 (OP)
It was weird how Trump stopped caring about Google as soon as he was elected, before that he was talking about splitting them up.

You will watch the fucking ads one way or another, Saar.

>>511306225

Cease your pessimism, the blockers will evolve to deal with MV3. The desire to not see a single ad anywhere nor have one's device be subject to all the threats and digital diseases the noble ad-blocker shields them from is something more powerful than the entirety of this monopolistic organization.

>>511306624
Yup.

>>511307061

I have no doubt things can improve with the new existing rule set that has been imposed on the chromium environment but there are real consequences to reducing the filtering ruleset from +100,000 to 30,000 rules in MV3. One way or another this is a significant loss in capability and it would be a relatively safe bet to assume that Google will continue to tighten their grip on user capabilities with subsequent versions of the manifest, especially if adequate work arounds are discovered. The real question is whether or not this change will damage their market share enough to stop that from happening. If their market share maintains its current level or grows its a very bad sign for future web design and overall user freedom in the future.

>>511307269

I am not wise with tech, but I understand that a cornered dog eventually bites back. There is no difference between a soft push and a hard one when you're back's against a wall.

I can vaguely remember than even the FBI itself in 2022 sang praises of ad-blockers, thought I am not aware to what extent, but it shows that Ad-blockers are something far more valuable to the world than the selfish interests of a corporation and its shareholders.

Compromises must not be made in their effectiveness and functionality, and those who push for them whether it be soft or hard push are begging to have their hands cut off.

>>511308520

TBPH the best way to bite back would be a completely new platform. I was actually hoping more experimental browsers would be suggested in here at some point. Alternatively, given some of the raw coding power now available to average people through AI it doesn't seem all that out of the realm of possibility for people to basically start rolling their own browsers in the near term future as well.

>>511305309 (OP)
Swapped back to Firefox shortly after this went live, no shot I'm putting up with the ad spam that Chrome became in a single day

Ive been using firefox for 3 years. No major issues. Used to encounter some website compatibility issues but checking them now, works fine in firefox. Its still being updated which is good. I think now ublock and other apps similar to it will be targeted. Like i know with youtube and ublock i get constant buffering at 4k footage and its random. Seems to be ublock it doesnt like

>>511305309 (OP)
Cant someone just fork chromium?

>>511309593

That's technically already happened with Brave, the problem is that Brave will need to patch and maintain mv2 support manually against millions of lines of evolving code. This means they risk falling behind security patches or introducing bugs, unless they invest heavily in engineering. Maintaining a forked feature is vastly different than creating one.

>>511310238
I think that's really the problem, with AI and immense ability to read entire websites, they can scour anything for exploits and zero days. Just making a web browser will open it to exploits from hackers. You need insane amounts of money to run anything.

>>511310238
Whats gonna happen to the mv2 store? Toast or just unsupported?

>>511310512

Slow death in all likelihood. There may be some key features pushed in chromium that really push it over the edge but as it stands we are just looking at long term support collapsing over time.

>>511310511

As it stands there are already websites that effectively punish users for navigating with the 'wrong' browsers. It's a bit of a two way street in the sense web designers have strong motivations to target development for whatever browsers make up the majority of the market share, but at the same time there are powerful incentives for software developers to entice users with the features they actually want in their browsers. Namely the ability to control the user experience. It's going to be difficult to erode the grip Google has on browser market share but as others in this thread have said people will seek out a solution to disruptions to their browsing experience, even if it means subjecting themselves to compromised security for a time.

>>511310238
I'm not a deve/coder, but this is exactly my thoughts and my worries. It'll also be ghettoized and receive less attention from developers at large, and updates to extensions will lag.

Is there any potential at all that they'll attain ublock-origin levels of ad blocking in MV3? Is it really that impossible (again not a dev, asking honestly) if not, why?

>>511310511
yeah I also worry about this.

This sucks bros.

>>511309049

That is a valid counter, but the current monopoly must be purified regardless, for these monopolistic merchants have gotten too comfortable thinking of themselves as Gods.

>>511306624
>American
Anon, rich people are a problem everywhere on the planet, you absolute retard.

>>511310511
Dude whatre you stupid? If that were true you could just use an llm to plug holes. Llms cant gen code for shit tho. Security is a joke ive been using an old version of vivaldi with a known video exploit for a year and nothing happened because no one bothers with that shit

>>511310511

Realize that this isn't a fight that has to be done so disorganized and foolishly. Ad-blockers could use AI themselves to counter the AI of the forces of evil. People also need to accept that they cannot always play nice with those who hog the sandbox.

I am posting this from Firefox browser on Linux Mint. Looks like uBlock is working just fine. I also have Brave installed, and will be seeing how well it handles the manifest change. We will adapt, as we always have.

>>511311117

I don't have the expertise to answer that effectively, but I can tell you that google is pulling in like 240 billion dollars a year in ad revenue and something like 40% of the users on the internet employ adblocking at some level. That means google is potentially losing like 100 billion dollars a year to the practice so you can bet your ass they will be willing to spend a significant chunk of that revenue on rectifying the situation. I would imagine they have put a lot of effort into cutting down the filtering rule set in the name of solidifying their ad revenue for the future. That doesn't necessarily mean that the collective effort of 5 and a half billion internet users wont brute force a solution to googles bullshit though.

>>511310626
Looks like its alt stores and shit and worst case just install from github/web like the old days. Kind of a nothing burger but will be interesting to see what browsers ppl migrate to.

>>511311384
>Llms cant gen code for shit tho

For now, but that will absolutely change in the near term future.

>>511311270
>rich people are a problem everywhere on the planet,
Nah, in China they get sentenced to death and excuted if ty abus tir power.

In murrica you bail them out.

>>511305309 (OP)
Everything will end where it all began. Firefox.

>>511311562
Not really, they can't get enough hq code for it to be good so it will always be of middling quality relative to the training data. Try to focus it on quality and you lose breadth, which is already limited

>>511311759

There are a lot of people banking on AI writing its own code for improvements in the future. It would be a multi-trillion dollar bubble bursting if that doesn't come to pass. Not saying it's impossible for it to fizzle but it would basically totally change the course of history if it does.

>>511310238
Maintaining mv2 support isnt a big deal its the store that matters bc its infrastructure. Not that big a deal tho, vscodium did it.
Googles real plan here is create hoops for users to jump through to regain ad watchers

>>511312013

For the next couple of years that will probably be the case but I would expect the code base to deviate pretty radically in the next 5 years and beyond.

All of you tech retards have never heard of a ladybird browser.

All of you politically illiterate retards have no idea that this is the result of capitalism.

Good.

You deserve everything you get, retards.

>>511312006
That basically requires an agi or most of one or a fuckload of user input. Llm can only copy paste it has no capacity for success metrics, which are necessary for coed refinement

>>511312134

Thank you very much for bring this to the discussion, this is exactly what I was hoping for.

>>511311759

Hmm...that actually makes sense!

>>511306225
why do you want to watch content for free?
either pay for the content or suffer ads
or don't watch the content
simple as

>>511312134
If i wanted chinkshit i would use floorp

>>511312181
np. glad to be of help.

Also a reminder that half of the channels you see on youtube are working for big money like disney, warner bros, black rock etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ-rRXWhElI

>>511312272
Ladybird is a white man's browser.

>>511312251

Watching content for free is definitely a bonus but there are bigger things at play here in regards to users losing control of their own computers when connected to the internet.

>>511305309 (OP)
Google will have to sell off their browser. I think Yahoo will take it over.

>The US Department of Justice (DOJ) has proposed that Google be forced to sell its Chrome browser as part of a larger antitrust case

>>511312343
Shaver isnt a chink?

>>511312390
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Shaver

>>511312390

Might be a hapa.

>>511312389
Kinda surprised yahoo still exists, how do they even make money

>>511312367
>users losing control of their own computers when connected to the internet.
just do your illegal stuff offline

>>511305309 (OP)
i miss the opera i used to use
for like ten years it has felt like a firefox/chrome knockoff
even the interface has been infected with this god awful corner cutting design
and whoever decided to round the corners of actual content ie images and videos needs fucking shot

>>511312389

May the monopoly be annihilated!

>>511312606
The real opera devs moved to vivaldi famalam
>>511312474
Didnt really tell me anything except hes one of the many code commies that lead to llms having free training data

>>511312536

You know having the ability to control the way your own browser behaves can stop criminals from attacking you. Advocating for user control isn't just about watching shit online, its about having the right to decide what type of behavior and code you even want executed on your own computer. There is plenty of malicious code that is rendered completely useless by the vast collection of addons that depend on mv2.

>>511311117
if it's that important to you get an arduino or something similar and just build a firewall loaded with the most up to date ad domain lists you can find

>>511311105
I'm almost to the point of avoiding the internet, almost none of it matters to me anymore.

>>511312795

You are replying to a troll.

>>511311674
the one on the left is both way the fuck worse than the one on the right and still very much unexecuted
you're just as fucked as the rest of them

>>511312941
Likely but there are still plenty of people who think this is just about adblocking. Losing noscript was devastating.

>>511306624

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes#:~:text=Over%20the%20course%20of%204%20years%2C%20the,a%20result%20of%20the%20communist%20utopia%20experiment.

>>511312606
>whoever decided to round the corners of actual content ie images and videos needs fucking shot
I'm pretty sure you can toggle that

>>511307269
So far they've only fucked themselves over, Chrome particularly.
I use a lot of extensions and Chrome became useless to me now

>>511312279
if you include disney then it's a lot more than half being the disney owns THE biggest ad network
if it's a targeted ad anywhere in the google network disney gets a slice

>>511305309 (OP)
I used Netscape then jumped to Firefox. Don't care about Chrome.

>>511313147
I'm not talking about ad networks. I'm talking about "content creators". Most of them are owned by big dogs and legacy media through 3rd party companies.

This is why google is killing adblockers, especially for youtube.

This is the part we which should be obvious. It's not about security as they say.

>>511313251

I was on firefox for years and dropped them when they started taking money from soros.

>>511312976
>the one on the left is both way the fuck worse than the one on the right
How so

>>511313127
>Wikipedia

>>511305309 (OP)
The entire modern web stack is just a cesspool of hacks built on top of hacks, requiring multi-core CPUs and gigabytes of RAM just to open a site that displays basic text and images.
There really needs to be a reset of the whole thing and a return to optimized simplicity. Maybe a new markup language or a new standard that does away with the need to download and execute thousands of line of Javascript just to get some pointless and annoying animated scrolling effect to work.

>>511313316
Omg not from Soros nooooo

>>511312767
i'll look into it thx
>>511313133
take youtube as an example, no option to change it nothing in the sheets to support removing it, the way i've found is just making a site wide css patch disabling the radial function

>>511313430

What can I say, I'm not a fan of that prick or really anyone working with him.

>>511312833
>arduino
I already run an emulted pihole on my PC that i route my router through. But that gets to the problem - it's ghettoized small subset of people, and as a result you get breaks and issues such as streaming sites not working. If it were a huge operation like ublock-origin with internatinoal attention to the blocklists and updating them, this would be less of an issue

the more you ghettoize yourself the more you are susceptible to this. I'm tired, boss. I don't have the patience or willingness to dig in and hack these things to maintain privacy and keep ads from infecting my brain. It has to be crowdsourced at this scale.

>>511313426

It's part of the reason why destroy stuff like noscript was retarded. There were significant improvements to performance merely because of that addon.

>>511313329
bigger dead money accounts than right
and the difference is by degree
if they're killing people for financial shenanigans gotta say they missed a big spot there

>>511313662
you can't make the shameless care about privacy
most people don't give a fuck, the internet and web to them is just the brainrot dispenser not a utility

>>511312251
Newsflash kike. 90% of the content uploaded to your kiketube was made for free. Why do you get to make money off of what they do for free?
Youve missed the point of youtube since 20xx if thats how you feel.
Kys grubby jew

>>511313662
firefox has been the only mainstream browser to not fall victim to this.

>>511305309 (OP)
Switched to firefox yesterday after ublock stopped working

Feel like i just got let out of prison

>>511313579
Why
Everybody says he's a bad guy for a long time, even the Jews call him an antisemite although he's a Jew and a holocaust survivor. Is it possible the Jews are trying to smear him ? Somebody posted a cap of his donations once, all to universities but funnily enough no Israeli unis except for Haifa whish is the most Arab uni in Pissrael.
I know he's pro immigration but so is Musk so I don't think that's a good angle.
>>511313689
Evidence ? Is this like "Putin is the richest man in the world" BS

>>511314619
I used Firefox for a couple of weeks but it was slow as fuck

>>511305309 (OP)
I switched to Firefox for when i'm logged in and Brave when i'm not.
As soon as Adblock was gone they tried to add new bullshit to youtube.

Switched to Duckduckgo last week, since Google's first page is all AI bullshit now.

>>511312134
Ladybird doesnt exist.
No im not gunna fuck with your beta nightly builds.
2026 atleast 6 months away. Nobody knows when itll release early.
If its decent in late beta ill be adopting it but as of not its a non contender because youre fuckibg retarted if you think the avg user here is going to compile this shit.
Go back to /g/

>>511314847
>Switched to Duckduckgo last week
BASED
Switched a few years ago but everyone should do it now that google is unusable.

>>511314004

They will once their complacency comes to bite them in the ass.

>>511312976
>the one on the left is both way the fuck worse
e i wor for UK because h ha brought Chins civilisation back to life.

Britbongers have been cucked to the point where you can only Annex Asia from the Palstine route.
All thanks to this "worse" guy.

>>511312976
>the one on the left is both way the fuck worse
He is worse for UK because he has brought Chinese civilisation back to life.

Britbongers have been cucked to the point where you can only Annex Asia from the Palestine route.
All thanks to this "worse" guy.

>>511310238
Instead of maintaining v2 support, is it not easier to use v3 for ad blockers, and patch a mainline browser to remove the limit on filtering rulesets?

>>511313127
>whataboutism

>>511305309 (OP)
I wish Elon Bought Opera back when it version 10 running the Presto engine....

>>511305309 (OP)
>Developer mode
No implication whatsoever

>>511315435
he is part of a group that created from whole cloth a new 'chinese' nation
by slaughtering and oppressing no less than four actual chinese civilizations out of existence
not sure what any of that has to do with us mind, he's china's problem
we got the likes of starmer and the cabbage pm to deal with

>>511312251
This is a literal slave mentality.
You are a slave.
>Polish flag
I suppose they're called SLAV-es for a reason. Have fun getting assfucked by russia when ukraine gives up the ghost