Was meant to spend 2 weeks but left after 4 days genuinely the most horrid country i’ve ever visited. Was screamed at and threatened by a hotel owner for questioning why they put us in the wrong room. 99% of the people i met were so rude , the roads were ridiculous and i felt unsafe the whole time. Have to pay 20 euros to access a dirty overcrowded beach and every restaurant was horrid. I’ve been all around the world and was so excited to visit it but have been so disappointed.

The busses all seem to run at random times (which I'm used to in the Balkans but not to this level, its basically guess work and when you ask they treat you very poorly) leaving me stuck in Elbasan and then a taxi driver insisting he give me a lift to a hostel for free and then demanding 500 Lek/5 euros.

Every other Balkan country (and every country on the planet) has its issues, but in two days here ive been scammed, conned and ripped off more than I have been in 12 months of previous travel all around the the Balkans... What's going on?I am American btw, tall with blue eyes/blond hair everyone here is pale or brown

>>511344598 (OP)
what's the history of that country

>>511344598 (OP)
>. I’ve been all around the world and was so excited to visit it but have been so disappointed.

Why would anyone go to Albania when the Greek isles are right nearby?

>>511344736
inbred insectoid caucosoid cave dwelling cockroaches transported to the Balkans in the late 19th century to fill empty lands formerly inhabited by Christian Slavic and Greek peoples.

Low iq criminals and whores with African admixture

>>511344598 (OP)
what city were you? Usually tourists love albania. what went wrong?

>>511344914
I have been all over Greece

>>511345631
>>511344993
i watched speeds stream in albania, the people were cool and white

>>511344598 (OP)
Usually people love it there. And they love americans, strange that they didn't welcome you nicely.

>>511345750
this.
which tells me that OP is lying
i've been to albania/greece/serbia and i loved albania the most, cheap food and great people

>>511344598 (OP)
Albania is truly a niggerland of Europe be glad your organs didn't end up in some old Jew's body
I'm being unfair to blacks here bcs there are nicer countries in Arica
>I'm white btw
You're gay btw

>>511344993
>transported to the Balkans in the late 19th century
From where

>>511346699
Hell, probably

>>511345844
Cheap until they find out you’re American. Then suddenly the price changes. Funny huh?

>>511344598 (OP)
Well you can thank the shitalian fascists and krauts for creating them. Then you can thank yourself for keeping them alive when we tried to deal with the vermin.

>>511346699
Azerbaijan is their homeland.

>>511348005
>Azerbaijan is their homeland.

negative, they were medieval hillbilly idiots, I suspect the Vlach's, the modern Greek word for "stupid person" is Vlacha, just like Greeks call someone "Alvane"(Albanian) when they are being scumbag's

Any place in Europe that isnt UK, Ireland, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Norway, Sweden, Denmark is a shithole full of low iq cavemen. All those Eastern European places should just be deleted.

holly shit!

>>511348241
Greek islands + Netherlands are the only good places in all of Europe + Russia/Turkey, that is it. Anyone who is smart and actually aware of the world knows that, rest of Europe is boring.

>>511344598 (OP)
It’s a wild place, but imo people are welcoming, even to Greeks. But that’s because our mentalities match better. Albanians have the best sense of humor in Europe by far.

I heard Tosks are OK, Ghegs are not popular around here

I came across a Monte Negro in college. He was seated next to me in a class. Big hideous lurch looking guy he played on the basketball team. Anyways, he kept asking me questions and stuff and I legitimately believe he couldn't read. Nice enough guy but stone cold stupid.

>>511348484
Not sure if the only good ones, but they are my favorite.

>>511349492
>Not sure if the only good ones, but they are my favorite.

What I said is true, you just said it. The Greek islands + Netherlands is great, anything else is a waste of time and money, be smart and follow mine and Mr. Bulgar's advice. Some of you are young and don't understand the world yet.

>>511349375
>but stone cold stupid
many such cases

>>511347924
>we tried to deal with the vermin
Have you ever considered you being the vermin in that region?

>>511344993
proof they were imported from the caucasus? I have heard this before.

>>511349823
>Have you ever considered you being the vermin in that region?

Serbia's creation of "North Macedonia" proves they are sus af, they royally pissed off Greeks who were one of their few allies. Greece has been getting closer with Alboland and Bulgurstan last few years.

>>511349823
serbs dindu nothing!

>>511348241
I really liked Bulgaria, even the hobos were cool.
People warned me about the gypsies but I didn't see as many as I expected, also the only crime I managed to see from them was their fashion choices.
Lots of drunken bulgarians though, people breaking glass bottles and yelling is the norm.

>>511344598 (OP)
>and was so excited to visit

Lol why?

>>511349854
The Venetians traded in the Pontic Sea with the Crimean Tatars, Golden Horde and the Ottomans.

They took their ships with commercial goods.

On the way back they brought these empty ships full of slaves.

These slaves would end up in Venetian outposts along the Adriatic.

Albania is one such outpost.
Ragusa was another outpost.

>>511349823
We were here first and the only bastion of civilization until ww2, cope and seethe savage mongol.
>>511350109
We literally didnt create that at all. It was made by communist Tito who was in fact a croat and austro-hungarian soldier.
Greece is always with Serbia and we with them.

>>511350405

>>511350555
Serbs are Xian Bei and came with the Avars, Bulgars and Magyars.

>>511349660
I go to Greece every year, sometimes twice, sometimes thrice. Haven't been in The Netherlands since before the pandemic but I used to go a lot, I've been at least 7-8 times and I always had a blast. The friendliest of the northern europeans.

>>511350633

>>511348241

>>511350734
I've heard so many countless, literally countless stories of terrible and horrible experiences in France, UK, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc, etc. Spain has actual protests against tourists ffs, that is ridiculous, imagine being accosted and harassed for wanting to support local businesses, fucking spic animals

>>511344598 (OP)
albanians are subhuman

>>511350879
Your president is a mongoloid. How you dont connect the dots is way beyond me?

Slavs will bottle their own farts and make up history to account for the fact you would never be west of the Don had it not been for the Huns, Avars, Magyars, Bulgars, Tatars and Pechenegs.

>>511350405
>We were here first and the only bastion of civilization until ww2, cope and seethe savage mongol.
Take a look at you now. You're a miserable shithole, the little Russia of the Balkans.

>>511349854
No proof. Jewish style propaganda is what Serbs use to steal more land. They’re just jealous Albanians are Illyrian’s. It’s unending seethe.

>>511344598 (OP)
islam is a satanic mind-virus capable to turn even whites into demons

>>511350405
>we were here first
Serbs are not illyrians.

>>511351526
Albanians are not "white". lol

>>511351225
>Your president is a mongoloid.
whats worse he is ALBANIAN!

>>511351225
LOL
nigger is angry!
why so angry nigger???

>>511351559
The Illyrians were northern invaders aswell.
They came from Bavaria of all places.

>>511351586
At least this bitch is. And yes, she's extremely rude, even though he's not muzzled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKn8hbzGV44

>>511351697
Illyrians were there first before Slavs. Albanians = illyrians >>511351420

>>511350109
In 2025 nobody here cares about muh north Macedonia, right now there’s probably half of million of them swimming in our beaches, they’re not bad people aside from politics.

>>511350152
Someone pls shop the sign to change the big kid to the "pissing kid" on the truck stickers.

>>511351750
Albanians are not even human.

>>511351767
The Albanians have as much connection to the Illyrians as the French have with the Franks,

>>511351060
I've been only to Yorkshire in the UK and I enjoyed my stay. But I was staying in a collage dorm and was partying for two weeks. Got invited to a Sunday roast and had the best steak pie I've ever had in my life.

I've was going to Milan a lot right after high school and in my early 20s and had a good time but that was because I was staying with a girl and she basically filtered my experience and took my only too fun places so I had a great experience, I was flying every few months, there were 15-25Euro tickets from Ryan and WizzAir so it was a no brainer.

Went to Malta with the same girl and I liked it but again - she was studying there and took me to all the good places. Lot of pushy arabs with gold chains who were trying to hit on her, almost got in a fight with one - they were looking at me as if I was being unreasonable...fucking faggots.

I wouldn't go to France.

>>511352018
>paternality means nothing
low iq

>>511351664
>non-European DNA in Basque Country
Imagine believing this map

>>511351237
Life feels great ngl. The fact that you all seethe so much at us is even better lmao

>>511352161
Yes nigger.

I speak a Latin vernacular. But I am not an Iron Age Latin.

Shqiptars speak mumbo jumbo Illyrian vernacular.
But arent related to them by blood.

>>511352291
Y chromosomes is blood, you’re just doubling down on low iq. Portuguese don’t have any Roman YDNA btw.

>>511351559
>muh illyrians.
An irrelevant tribe wiped out by the Romans long before we came, the we wuz cope is hilarious. Out of all the slavs and new age countries, we were here first, right after rome fell and assimilated the remains into our bloodlines.

>>511352372
>Portuguese don’t have any Roman YDNA btw.

And Shqiptars have 0 Illyrian YDNA.

>>511352413
Obviously they weren’t wiped out when half of Albanian y-chromosomes are Illyrian thanks to archeological genetic findings. The rest is Thracian are foreign import (Slav, Germanic, mena).

>>511352511
J2b is an Illyrian gene, found in a quarter Albanians and several early Roman elites. I already posted the source but here again since you’re a dimwit>>511351420

Rape and robbery are pretty common is Sweden, so I guess it makes them the worst country in Europe. Even in the most desolated villages of Albania and Bosnia your chances of being raped/robbed are close to zero.

>>511348233
Kojak!!!

>>511352537
Bosnia has more illyrian in their genetics than analbanians. Its just the "we fucked the remains and assimilated them into our bloodlines" part that you missed. We fucked you the most also once you were imported, you all have a shitton of slavic % in your blood yet you choose to ignore that lol. It's like an american coping with his %german in the blood when in fact he is a mutt.

>>511344598 (OP)
shut up faggot

>>511344598 (OP)
Tirana is very comfy. I watched Quantum of Solace in Albanian when I went there

>>511351586
>>511352018
> portugal
lol, right. Are you some african or other sort of shit? You may imagine yourself an invader, but actually you're a live example of why colonization was right thing and your feral behaviour prepares recolonization, which is going to be eternal this time.

>>511352718
Bosnians are barely Illyrian, they’re mostly Slavs. I2a-din is not a Balkan or Illyrian gene.

>>511352634
>J2b is an Illyrian gene

How would an Iranian neolithic agricultural haplogroup be Illyrian?

The Turks and Iranians are J2 too.
Are they Illyrians too?

>>511352812
>I2a-din is not a Balkan or Illyrian gene.

I2a has been in the Balkans for almost 5000 years.

Way before the Illyrians or even the Hellenes rolled around through there.

>>511352825
They have a specific mutation and genetic testing on ancient gravesites proves from the Roman’s and illyrians prove this. Are you a gitano? You’re just as dumb.

What's with the Serbians and Albania, Serbians are constantly frothing at the and mouth talking shit. Yet when I ask some Albanians that what's with the Serbians don't you worry that these lunatics would genocide you if they could and they just shrug and say that they're all right just a bit salty that they're not in control anymore.

>>511352920
No it came recently from Ukraine. I2 is in the Middle East, what’s the point of this post?

>>511352937
>specific mutation and genetic testing on ancient gravesites

The Illyrians practiced cremation.

Same with the Hellenes and Romans.
How are you getting samples from ashes?

How long is the shqiptar baboon going to cope?

>>511353098
Hey gypsy, cremation was only practiced after 500 bc for the Romans and 600 bc for the Hellenes. The Illyrians practiced both cremation and inhumation. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>511344598 (OP)
I've met a few albanians in my life. They are essentially niggers with white skin.
Low IQ, violent, low impulse control, no selfawareness, gluttonous and drug addicted

>>511348484
>Greek islands + Netherlands are the only good places in all of Europe
Only 2 “good places” in 50 countries is a blatant lie (and Netherlands even only have 450 kilometer coastline!), so post documentation for your claim.

>>511352812
Wrong bosnia has 35-40% illiryan.
Riddle me this retard, how come you remembered you were a long lost tribe only in 1914 when your country was made by Germany? Where were you before? Oh that's right, you are assimilated muttoids who dwelled in every nation in the balkans until someone told you to be relevant and dug out some retarded tribe to make it believeable. Everyone in the balkans has illyrian in them, its cause the romans fucked them and then we fucked the romans. So stop with this we wuzing already its tiresome.

>>511353290
>so post documentation for your claim

shutup faggot, every Norweigan I ever met was a boisterous cocky prick, fuck you

>>511353338
I stopped reading the first sentence because you’re a low iq cigan. We have their genes, you aren’t related to them by autosomal dna and you don’t have their YDNA like Albanians. Do you even know that ydna is inherited from father to son? Sheesh cigano>>511348470

>>511353216
>cremation was only practiced after 500 bc for the Romans and 600 bc for the Hellenes.

Cremation is only funerary rite in the Illiad.

Thats literally Bronze Age you monkey.

>The Illyrians practiced both cremation and inhumation.

Here comes more lies.

>>511344598 (OP)
lmao, HUGE skill issues here.

>>511353473
Now you’re moving the goalpost gypsy. Nobody mentioned the Iliad, the Iliad was written after the fact and not a first hand source. The Hellenes practiced cremation after 600bc, the Romans 500bc. This is already known about.

>>511353469
Lmao yea sure buddy, keep we wuz coping. You are as illyran and slavic and greek and turkish as is the rest of the balkans. Atleast we dont lie about it and cope.

>>511353591
>The Hellenes practiced cremation after 600bc

I swear by all the gods I want to genocide all Balkaners.

>>511353603
What is a Y chromosome if you’re so smart?

>>511353405
Post your pics from all areas in all the 50 countries in Europe!

>>511344598 (OP)
it's your fault. if you are cool, you feel at home everywhere. probably you stand out like a sore thumb and are not capable of camouflaging yourself when you travel. a good warrior/hunter is good at camouflaging, at blending into the surroundings and going unnoticed. most probably you are just a moron who hasn't learned shit from what existence has to offer

>>511344598 (OP)
Whats that saying?
Trust a Greek before you trust an Armenian.
Trust an Armenian before you trust a Jew.
BUT never trust an Albanian.

>>511353659
Since the fall of Rome balkan was slavic, greek and romanian. After that it became Serbian, Romanian, Greek and Bulgarian. Then the rest of them split out from us all. Everyone sane knows this, you cope with genetics but everyone fucked everyone in europe, a german can claim to be french and a greek to be slavic with your retard logic. Serbs have the illyrian gene too. This is why no one looks at genetics since its a retarded metric due to constant fucking and mixing. Fact of the matter is, since the fall of rome the civilization builders here were serbs, greeks, bulgarians and romanians. Cope and seethe all you want i am done with your irrelevant ass lol.

>>511353880
>t.

>>511353648
The Iliad wasn’t written 1100 bc you dumb gitano

>>511353979
I didn’t read your word salad because you didn’t bother answering a simple question. Albanians have Illyrian Y chromosomes, Serbs do not. That simple.

>>511353992
Wtf is unfolding here?

>>511354003
Stop replying to me bektash circumcised nigger.

You balkaner stink is reaching through the screen.

>>511350399
This is a great theory, I’ve never heard this before can you elaborate in it?
>>511344993
>>511348005
This.
>>511348233
Bad etymology doesn’t check out at all. Origin of the word “Vlach” is Balto-Slavic-Germanic and it’s a denonym always referring to Latins or Celtics. Try again.
>>511349854
There’s lots of evidence pointing to their Anatolian or Caucasian origin. First it’s their language. It plots diagonally to Greek and Armenian on a linguistic chart, but much more closely to Armenian than to Greek. It has a lot of Caucasian loanwords and a weird substratum. It shares many more features with Anatolian languages than it ever did with Daco-Thracian. It literally appears as if it’s perhaps the descendent of Phyrgian, or at least a companion language with a similar history. It has no words for snytbing repated to the sea, which would be odd for “Illyrians” who were known as seafarers throughout their history. Snd it’d be odd for their region in general. OTOH Albanian DOES have words for mountain ice and glaciers. Which aren’t found in the Balkans but ARE found in the Caucasus!

There’s also proof of their initial migration westwards in the 11th century. Much like the Armenians in that era, they were spread out between Ephesus, the Caucasus, and Cilicia due to their flight from the Turks.

>>511344598 (OP)
>country full of niggers
>it's nogged
anon, are you stupid or something? what did you expect?

>>511354123
We do, you are retarded. You pick and choose which genes you like because ur a kike muttoid.

>>511350399
Except there isnt any caucasian genetics in albanians whatsoever you fucking stupid half nigger half spic.
>>511353979
So when actual science is applied to find the obscure origins of people you niggers take the easy way out of acknolwedging it. You have minimal paleo balkan haplogroups and you speak A SLAVIC language. Albanians are 80 percent paleo balkan speaking an indo european language that explains toponyms and words for people that lived in the area.

>>511354147
Riddle me this gitano, how comes Romans only practiced cremation after 500 bc, while Roman and Etruscan individuals from gravesites in the early Iron Age tested from Illyrian/yamnaya J2b and R1b-z2108 Y chromosomes?

How come modern Portuguese don’t have these genes if you come from Romans?

>>511354200
Its not a theory.

The Venetians had massive amounts of slaves.

The Italian word "ciao" literally comes from schiavo (slave).

A reference to Balkanic slavs being enslaved by the Venetians.

The Venetians ran slaves all across the Med.

Dumped them in some shithole in Epirus. And now here we are.

>>511354289
Absolute bullshit. Yall ignore the fact that shitbanians have tons of slavic in them and greek. As for language, it's a made up language. Shiptars spoke turkish until 1914.

>>511354200
All disproven by genetics and linguistics.

>>511354344
>how comes Romans only practiced cremation after 500 bc

Can this babboon stop replying to me?

>>511354200

The language is an isolate with a substratum of pre-greek farmer words in the region. The one language it actually forms a family with is Messapic which was proto illyrians settling in central italy. The words they could decipher could only be done so with albanian.

>>511354285
I don’t pick and choose, all the gravesites associated with Illyrians are either J2b or R1b. Serbs barely have either of these genes. Serbs have a lot of E-V13, which is likely associated with Thracians since a royal Thracian tomb in Bulgaria had all individuals as E-V13 and one Scythian R1a-z93.

>>511354429
If you look on a map at the pre-nationalism era around 1800, the spread of Albanians matches your claims heavily. The only question I have is how they got to southern Italy. My ex GF’s dad was an Italian. Or at least I thought he was until he divulged that his village near Bari is ethnically Albanian.

>>511354289
And EVEN if we approve of them as muh illyrians that's even more damning. Apearently a long lost tribe of the balkans somehow survived rome and then couldnt build shit until 1914 when Germans gifted them a nation? Like lmao that's even more pathetic.

>>511345750
Op is probably a nigger

>>511354650
>The only question I have is how they got to southern Italy

How did we, the Portuguese, take niggers to Brazil?

How did you take niggers to Dixie?

>>511354491
I keep arguing with your monkey ass about these topics and you always lose because you cant think beyond preliminaries which can only mean you suffer from massive cognitive dissonance. You can’t even understand mutations and subclades. I’m not an expert but you’re just plainly stupid and argue in bad faith.

>>511344598 (OP)
If nothing else, Their flag looks cool, you have to admit that.

>>511344598 (OP)
You only see what your eyes want to see. How can life be what you want it to be?
You're frozen, when your heart's not open.

>>511354662
Albanians were a tiny ethnic group living in the mountains surviving post Roman collapse and replacement by slavs. Are you this retarded?

>>511354615
>barely any.
If you knew genetics you'd know that even 1% is a lot and we have 7-15% if i remember. Not that it matters, what matters is we build civilizations here and you didnt do shit. Thus you are cancer.

some of them have euro genes but for the most part, albanians are a nation foreign to europe...there may be more albanians in turkey than there are in the whole world LMAO jsut by looking at most of them you can see they are not european

>>511354507
None of this is true whatsoever. Messapic is not related to Albanian in any way, and the deciphering of the script was done with the Greek alphabet and Greek language. All of your claims are communist era disinfo.

>>511354897
Civilization? Serbia has always been a shithole if someone else isn’t paying.

>>511354857
What gives you the right to anything then? You are irrelevant and exist only because bigger powers want you to be a thorn in the balkans.

>>511354738
Portugal owned Brazil, and the US owns Dixie, but to my knowledge Venice never owned the Bari/heel region of Italy

>>511354963
Are you 12? Albanians have a right by blood and soil and through conquest. Albanians conquered Kosovo.

>>511354932
albanian history is more fabricated than american haha

>>511354907
Legit just cope by a race of assblasted slavs that spent the greater part of a milennia killing eachother and building churches and ultimately leaving ZERO legacy other than being genocidal pests for actual civilizations.

Literally SWOLEN assholes from a remnant group of pastoralists reclaiming a landlocked field from you

>>511354435
What do you mean it’s a made up language? Elaborate

>>511355049
no they didnt, the americans just needed a base in the balkans and they fought on albanian behalf...pre american involvement the serbs were literally 50:1 KDR in kosovo in 99

>>511354958
>Serbian Emperor Dusan's empire of serbs greeks and bulgarians.
>Many Kingdoms.
>Kingdom of serbs, slovenes and croats lead by serbian King Alexander.
>Yugoslavia.
Yea sure, totally never did anything lmao.
Meanwhile:
>albania.
Made by Germans in 1914 to fuck with Serbia.

>>511354932
Yes Albanian is related to messapic.

>>511355049
LMAO

>>511354857
And then magically re-expanded, unlike any other historic culture in that situation? Make it make sense first rajesh.

>>511355194
/thread

>>511355194
>>511355235
Serbs literally only exist today because of Russian intervention kek

>>511355092
It is, it was literally mostly invented by communist kikes after WWII when they took over the country. The Illyrians LARP is so utterly cringe.

>>511355336
Cope more rat.

>>511355228
>saar I show you wikipedia!
Thanks for your contribution Visapreet

>>511355260
The portion of the dinaric alps Albanians come from prevented total replacement, other areas were replaced obviously. This isn’t difficult to comprehend.

>>511355196
Arbanon and Albani as a name existed for longer than the Serbs ever got there. There was a continuity there, sure they mixed with other peoples like slavs and greeks but the language has been determined to be local. Bc of vocabulary from Illyricums christianization, and treatment of slavic loanwords. Some of the latin terms Albanians use are directly from oldr periods of Rome.

>>511354963
Maybe you should think carefully about what you say on this retard your own states stability is very THIN.

>>511355401
>gay argument btfo

>>511344598 (OP)
I've been thinking of going to Albania to court their women. They must be easy to fuck.

>>511355036
>Venice never owned the Bari/heel region of Italy

Venice owned everything in the Adriatic.

>>511355471
>Albanian thinks about courting Albanian women back home

>>511355455
Albanians, at least ghegs have their majority Y chromosomes indigenous and proven to be related to ancient gravesites from the illyrians and Thracians. Nobody else in the balkans can compare. Albanians are more Balkanic than Germans are Germanic.

>>511348484
Netherlands doesn't have good food

>>511355455
You never built ANYTHING. I dont give a shit if analbaboonians are direct descendants of Jesus Christ himself, they didnt BUILD ANYTHING and stole OUR buildings and monasteries by being a US proxy. Enough of this coping anymore for fucks sake.

>>511355594
You just can't win with these retards theyll spend all day trying to make shit up to fit their narrative then say they were primitive and it doesnt matter when all the facts line up.

Tosks/Labs have predominantely paleobalkan haplogroups, whenever they formed though involved other peoples to a higher degree like Greeks and Slavs that lived in Epirus. And other groups like Hellenized illyrians and Vlachs.

>>511344598 (OP)
Albania used to be a third world country with that communist dictator. Was often joked about in popular culture, like in Dilbert and The SImpsons.
No one really talks about Albania now, it kind of lost its place in popular culture.

>>511344736
They were supposedly great Illyrians and now alot of them are like muslim or something. They should just be enslaved and beaten daily by Serbs until they recognize their mistakes and change their ways.

>>511344598 (OP)
I knew a guy from Albania once, he was really weird.

>>511355634
You legit cannot even admit we are native retard no one gives a fuck about who you claim built the old churches there. Your rulers were part albanian, proto-albanian, and vlach.

As a culture now youre a shithole probbably comparably in the worst position bc your big for nothing and have an unstable identity.

The best thing about Switzerland is that everyone forgets that it exists.

>>511355196
>serbshits always a vassal of byzantines until Latin crusaders yeet them in 1204
>serbshits steal Kosovo from Bulgarians while they are fighting mongols
>kosovo has silver mines which is why it was constantly in control by Byzantines or Bulgarians
>serbian empire came out of a successful opportunism and built through silver from kosovo
>many “kingdoms” were a result of the collapse of the empire and vassalage by Turks
>serbs were freed by Russians in 1830 and saved from extermination in 1877
>Serbs were given a kingdom and land by participating in a Jewish led crusade against Germany in ww1
lol civilization

>>511355260

They were pushed into the mountains to survive and reassimilated related peoples most likely on top of just being med bvlls that fucked like crazy.

>willingly interacting with shiptars
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>even visiting their bioweapon of a country
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>>511344598 (OP)
It might be because around 5% of Greece is Albanian (maybe closer to 20% if we count the Hellenized Albanians) but to me despite the religion, Serbians feel completely foreign or even annoying at times since they are way too loud even compared to us. Bulgarians as well, though they are more introverted. I think our temperament matches is closer to that of the Albanian and the (slavo)Macedonian than to the Serbian. Even more extreme is the difference with Russians who are quite friendly to Greece but they are still alien-like to us. Orthodox “brotherhood” is a meme.

>>511354140
They are trying to live like mohamad did, who they consider to be "the perfect man".

>>511355336
not really, serbs were invited to the balkans by the greeks where as albanians were brought there by italians and turkish slave traders its fine man just own it...there are maybe 6 million of you in turkey, what does that say alone?

Embarrassing thread, no1 gives a shit about Albania or the Balkans.
Also, OP has never set foot in Albania.

Always funny how serbs talk about genetics, when they are closer to albos than to Poles and Belarussians, who are real slavs.

>>511355750
You’re just arguing with people arguing in bad faith. Can’t help it that they’re retarded when you show them up with evidence, you know like how it’s supposed to be when you’re arguing. Just niggers.

>>511355470
You posted wikipedia you faggot shitskin jeet

>>511355936
>Your rulers were part albanian, proto-albanian, and vlach.
Bruh ..... nah I cant lmao, the level of delusions.
>As a culture now youre a shithole probbably comparably in the worst position bc your big for nothing and have an unstable identity.
We are literally still the most dominant nation of all you scum. Every single one of you dream of Belgrade as balkan's New York.
>who gives a shit aboout christian monasteries from the middle ages.
Yeah I know you dont mudslime faggot, that's the issue. You are an invasive mudslime cancer that never should've been allowed to breathe here yet here we are. Thank the US every day of your miserable life scum.
Destroy all our buildings and build them yourself then you literal niggers. Stole everything we built and claimed it as theirs lol.

>>511356134
>rbs were invited to the balkans by the greeks

For the life of me.
Fuck.

Balkaners are a waste of oxygen.

>>511356236
There’s literally peer reviewed sources in the picture. Stop being a retarded gypsy.

>>511356236
Its an impromptu debate retard you have like 10 citations that will link you to PDF of books by PROFESSIONALS who are studying this shit.

>>511356022
Everything you said was absolute bullshit, keep coping vermin.

>>511356290
>511356290
well you know, after they fucked it all up the byzantines allowed them to farm the lands

>>511356051
>they just break this pattern that all other peoples do bro!
Sure they did shitskin

>>511356288
>Believes his own states propaganda of being the strongest been glorified vassal state since inception
>Slavic but somehow BROWNER than albanians when you visit there with ruskie dysgenia expressed
>Country is on the point of collapse from infighting of 5 different politcal groups
>legacy is killing their own country men and imploding their grand state

>>511356134
zamn you’re such a jealous cigano over Kosovo. Kosovo is Albanian because Albanians are the native population and Albanians conquered Kosovo much like how Serbs won their “independence” from Turkey hehe

>>511344598 (OP)
Why do you people go to "europe" and then visit the biggest shitholes here? All these beautiful countries, even cheap ones, and you pick the absolute worst...

>>511347381
are you black?

>>511356450
Literally whiter than you.

>>511356194
slavs and albanians and all aryans started in somewhere the caucus mountains, the difference is that slavs took the northern route to get into europe and albos took the road through turkey to get through europe...each side came with its own genetic consequences!

>>511356109
That's because you (heleno)Macedonians are the same as us just speak a different language

>>511356490
Aha, ok why dont you niggers leave NATO and all of you attack us at once? I literally dare you to pussies lmao. We can push all of your combined shit at once, the only thing stopping us is your cowering behind super powers like rats.

>>511356500
well kosovo is albanian through sex and fucking and gaming the commie system but not through conquest cause you didnt really fight for it in the way that you and I both understand conquest....albanians had no great battles in kosovo to win it, but i do recognize they control it now

>>511356134
Slavs migrated to Greece as well and were assimilated. Greece has Slavic admixture and the prevalence of R1a such as in the Pelepponese is a result. Abbobanians are different homind species though, probably related to Homo Heidelbergensis. Divergence from Homo Erectus has also been proposed as an origin for Albanians but some others argue they are more closely related to Rhesus Monkeys. More studies are needed.

>>511356409
>after they fucked it all up the byzantines allowed them to farm the lands

Huns come
Avars, Magyars, Bulgars come
Genocide everything north of the Haematic mountain range.

Slavs move in being slaves of the Avars-Huns.

Balkanic history 101

>>511356588
Theyre not ready for that discussion either or the displacement of the Aegean SlavoMacedonians.

>>511356342
>>511356335
>shitskins using wikipedia

>>511356543
Okay shitbanian gypsy. You’re aryan right saar?

>>511356386
Your history is not something to be proud of my friend. It’s all fake and gay. You didn’t conquer anything that wasn’t already near collapse, you are squatters. You’re literally a golem kek

>>511356662
>When Skenderbeu wanted to lunite with Hunyadi and Serbshits got in the way
>When Serb shits give up their own women to the Turks
>When Serb shits larp as Christian and shoot women and children

You were losing before you got bombed.

>>511356697
the slav(e) has become the master now

>>511356697
>Check flag
>Check post count
Oh it's this retard again.

>>511356794

Yeah when it comes to racial purity I have you beat dumb fucking appalachian mongrel.

>>511356666
Albanians conquered Kosovo the same way that Serbs “freed” themselves in 1830 and 1878. Battle of kosare was a tota Albanian victory in Kosovo, Serbs were humiliated.

>>511356895
Bulgaria, Croatia and Serbia are all named after non-Slavic peoples.

Somehow I am the one tripping.

>>511356943
>SAAAR I AM ARYAN
Sure you do brownoid lol

>>511356752
>I can’t read
I wouldn’t expect less from a gypsy

Been to Croatia, Montenegro, Albania and Greece. All very hospitable and nice people. Really hot women in Albania and Croatia. Serbs on here are cringe faggots. Visit the Balkans yourself and you will have a great time.

>>511356700
yeah with the help of american and british aviation that dropped napalm on macedonian villagers
the reason? Stalin shouldn't get Greece

>>511357031
What a retarded response from the half spic
>I AM
>SURE YOU DO

>>511356194
>serbs talk about genetics
Why does every thread about the balkans have every White race talking about their history yet albanians have to talk about genetics to prove that they have something to do with White people? I mean you albanians share the same names as Africans and other fellow Muzzies.

>>511357013
>White Serbs
>White Croats
>Sorbs
What are we on about now?

>>511344598 (OP)
Traveling is a blackpill. You go to places you THINK are nicer where you live, turns out people there live like 3rd worlders outside of the tourist attractions. The only place similar to Canada I've visited was Australia, and the only place nicer than Canada I've seen is west coast America. There is no other place on earth as nice as America even though it has a lot of shitholes. And Canada is still very nice despite the problems. Maybe it won't be for much longer, but still.

>>511357090
I wish Macedonians and Albanians were bros more often bc when it came to the Greeks they did us pretty much the same.

>>511357192
Croat is literally a Sarmatian name, not Slavic.
Serb literally comes from Xian Bei.
Bulgaria, literally Bulgars, a bunch of Turko-Mongols.

There is no country in the Balkans named after a Slavic people.

>>511357192
Hrvats and Sorbi were steppe garbage from out east

>>511357179
It’s because it negates Serbian Jewishy talking points. Serbs themselves have an embarrassing history. But to cut it short, Serbs share the same genes as these people.

>>511344736
Romanized illyrians that later got conquered by the turks and got converted to islam, then later communists took it over and now its a ((democracy)) like all the ex commie countries with rich oligarchs who were the ex commie gov operatives.
>>511344598 (OP)
Mainland Albania is absolute hell, you should have went into Kosovo for mountain tourism, Croatia, Montenegro or Greece for beaches.

>>511357335
Like the other Indo Europeans? Serbs and Croats derive from modern German and west slavic lands, See: Sorbians.

>>511356588
That’s correct, I’m from Thessaly and it’s hard to tell your tourists apart from our natives if not the language. That however does not apply to Thessaloniki or regions like Kilkis for example, where the vast majority are Anatolian refugees, Armeno-Georgian hybrids and other weirdos brought here during the previous century. Poor Greece what have they done to you.

>>511356856
Nice projection bro.
>>511356862
Lol sure, keep coping and clean those toilets in america faggot.

>>511357369
This is the same equivalent of when we burgers claim 3 percent Irish ancestry kek

>>511357492
PHUL SAPPPRT SAAR BASTARD MOOSLIMS

>>511357225
its impossible to be bros with shiptars who are openly calling for greater albania and constantly commit crime and murder but when we strike back they cry to USA and EU
>nato heljp the kaur is bullying me :(((
never met a decent albanian in my life

>>511357591
Sarrr Gjysh do the needful for Shkelqim sarrrr

>>511356991
first, recognize the digits you fuck
secondly it was NATO plus you so its not the same no one even knows the name of this battle and even wikipedia (american globohomo site) doesnt state it as an albanian victory

sorry bud

>>511357604
Your country is still a shithole and they were forced to live with you I don't expect you to be interacting with the best people.

>>511357483
Serb women are willingly choosing this bvllcock while you drink coffee and smoke yourself to death in Svjirljig retard.

>>511354200
Nowhere is a wave of migration recorded by either the serbs, the turks, the romans, the venetians, the crusaders, the bulgars, the hungarians or anybody else in that region.
You are quoting literal 20th century serbian clergy propaganda that they used to justify casus belli to colonize Kosovo and other majority albanian areas around montenegro and macedonia.

>>511357708
albanians have the most gibs out of any minority in the world and still cry more more more
pure niggers constantly stabbing you in the back while handing out their hand to feed them with government gibs

>>511357687
It’s a globohomo site yet Serbs constantly patrol it to re-edit kek. Serbs fled after the battle. Albanians conquered Kosovo with help of nato, i don’t care but I’m highlighting how Serbs use this as talking point when Serbs only exist because of Russia saving their asses in the 19th century and the allies winning ww1. Serbs wouldn’t exist otherwise.

>>511357869
You haven't seen spics, niggers, and arabs here retard, tread lightly as they're on your doorstep.

There's a small amount of recently descended highlander Albanians that are drug selling retards, albanians dont take gibs.

And they literally have centuries of cultural continuity to back up their existence as a state. NOT ONE OF YOUR CONTEMPORARIES VIEWS YOU AS A REAL THING

>>511357651
BLOODY BASHTARD MOOSLIM BURN ORTHODOG TEMPLES YOU HINDU HATTER SAAR

>>511357991
THANK YOU USA, YOU ARE MY BEST FRIEND, YOU ARE THE PEACE KEEPER, YOU ARE THE LEGEND

>>511355036
genoa and venice along with a lesser extent pisa were in every port, got special quarters, got tariff exemptions and sometimes their own trading castles on foreign land.
they could fuck up your ports, take your islands, decimate your trade and withhold grain shipments.
The most notable example is byzantium. from venice as a trusted ally, to venice exploiting them, to byzantium driving them out of their quarters, to the 4th crusade, to byzantium allying with genoa for venetian protection, to venice taking byzantiums island possessions, to genoa getting a special walled city across the golden horn, to byzantium allying with the venetians again against genoa and then the black plague from italian ports in the black sea.

>>511358065
SARR BANCHOD BLESS GREAT KOSOVAR SARRR
OH THANK YOU RAMUSH, ILIR, MEHMED, ENDRIT

Reminder that the only migration documented and noticeable in genetics is the slavic one to the region.

>>511357472
Yeah and Kilkis (Kukush) was were many of our people were from too, for example our most famous revolutionary Goce Delcev was born there. You have to share a country with these Caucasian dogs which I'd assume is worse but for me its also insulting that they live in the homes of my ancestors and claim to be Macedonians

Personally I believe in genetics the most, there's a reason why some people get a long well despite language barriers

>>511357991
It was done by several Balkan countries and Serbia by far shed the most blood also during WW1. Thank Serbs today for pushing the Turks out of the Balkans. Meanwhile you're a muslim remnant of a turkish occupation, I would stop claiming to be an ancient Illyrian right now because of that, especially considering your ancestors were Christian before and for far longer than muslim. Cognitive dissonance is real.

>>511357854
All these taking points come from this. Serbs are just like Israelis but unlike Israelis Serbs have no blackmail or financial power, since they were always low iq shitheels

>>511344598 (OP)
Slavniggers act like niggers.

They arent white for a reason retard

>>511358244
>Caucasian dogs
Dont you ever say that an alb*nian is equal to an animal, they are below animals nigger

>>511358026
if it wasn't for government gibs there would be like 10 albanians in the country lmao
they are all leeches getting salary without going to work because of fictional percentages imposed on us by USA/EU faggots because albos are their bioweapon on the balkan used to destablize a country on a whim

go against their nigger pet and you get nuked

>>511358314
lmao this was in 37 too so they were doing the colonization during the Kingdom era of Yugoslavia in Kosovo, thank God for the germans that let us weapons to clear them out during ww2.

>>511355196
>dusan's empire
KEK
He was invited in for a few thousand troops for second stupidest civil war of the byzantines, the first being post manzikert.
And what happened after he died?

>>511358293
Serbs? It was Russian you Serb pissant. Islam turned out to be a way better religion since most Albanians still have the same Illyrian and Thracian Y chromosomes. Islam is superior to Christianity, just look at your (((country))) and the promotion of interracial sex, all thanks to christanity.

>>511357810
>steals other's accomplishments.
>muh dick.
Yep, nigger tier behaviour lol

>>511357296
It's debated but did you know that the Sarmatians and Scythians were an Indo European people who lived in parts of Eastern Europe and the Eurasian steppe in antiquity? It's actually true my dear historically illiterate anon. They had contact with the Greeks as well.

>>511358366
no, we were talking about helenized armenians and georgians moving to Greece in early 20th century in the population swap with Turkey

>>511358494
>Islam turned out to be a way better.
Here's who you supported Eurofaggots.
>>511358293
Doesnt matter what you say bro, they ate schizoid rats. Love their country so much they live in the west cleaning shit lmao

>>511358494
>Islam turned out to be a way better religion since most Albanians still have the same Illyrian and Thracian Y chromosomes. Islam is superior to Christianity, just look at your (((country))) and the promotion of interracial sex, all thanks to christanity.
Kek what a fucking retard. You are a muslim, the religion of a country that invaded you. Also your interpretation of YDNA and genes is wrong.

>>511358514
Serbs aren't scythians or sarmatians or whatever, they came to the balkans with the Pechenegs as tributary people.
The byzantine records tell us this.

>>511358438

Western Macedonia was always Albanian first and Skopje which everyones knows you niggers is really part of the line up of Albanian toponyms in the region.

>>511358244
>my ancestors
Your ancestors were Slavs and whatever foreigner that squatted on Albanian territory. Your country should not exist for that very reason: what will you do when ancient Macedonian genetics are revealed? They certainly weren’t slavoids or whatever Roman-byzantine era mutt import you hail from.

>>511357202
>turns out people there live like 3rd worlders outside of the tourist attractions
Where?

>There is no other place on earth as nice as America
Post documentation for your claim.

>>511344598 (OP)
It's interesting reading about how the albanian mafia supplanted the sicilian mafia after the italian government fucked them, the gabbagoo sicilian mafia from the movies are now all albanians, albania is a crime state
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_mafia#Sicilian_Mafia_%E2%80%93_Cosa_Nostra

>>511358695
>interpretation
YDNA is passed down from father to son. You have a different interpretation because your father doesn’t share the same Y chromosomes as you. Slurp that Ghanaian cum.

>>511344598 (OP)
back in the 90's during their war my mom went over there to help, she said everyone drives stolen mercedes. she brought me some candy, its was ok.

>>511358720
>>511358889
as I said in the previous post, if there are no governmental gibs albanians leave the country immediately, hence all of you being in diaspora where you can leech from westerners

>>511358916
You haven't travelled so you'll never know.

>>511358648
Why didn’t Jesus save you from this happening to you>>511357369

>>511359005
Leaf bro one man armied the shkja for an hour straight.. Fighting back real nigguh tears

I expect a lot of this kinda stuff soon, Albania's touriusm boom is absolutely insanely, idk who they paid off but its crazy how many tourists they got, half as much as Croatia I believe last year, good for them I guess, but its still Albania filled with shiptars, there will be a lot of funny siutations with foreigners in there in the next few years, there's worse places in europe however, "kosovo" is like a 5x worse version of albania, and I imagine places like moldova are worse I guess but never been so can't comment

>>511359139
isn't like 30% of your population albanians?

>>511359139
I can see you won’t argue about that since I’m only talking about your “ancestors”. Monkeydonia only survives because of the Albanians there. Literally leach off the productiveness of Albanians there, the entire economy is based around where Albanians live and monkeydonians move around their Gypsies to settle in Albanian areas. Absolute filth.

>>511359259
18-21% give it or take it

>What is autosomal DNA
>What are founder effects
Also this is the distribution of J2, not to imply J2 isn't white or something but these are the result of preexisting populations. I2 also peaks in neighboring areas of Croatia and radiates out from there. It is also much lower in Albania. Turkish occupation had no effect. Think about how retarded you sound though. Who is more likely to intermix especially highly traditional, tight knit ethnic communities in past times? People of a completely different religion and culture, or people who converted? Lets put our thinking caps on here Ahmed Oglugluskender.

>>511359183

>>511359379
meant for >>511359005

>>511357455
>Mainland Albania is absolute hell, you should have went into Kosovo for mountain tourism
you are absolutely insane, Kosovo is like albania but 10 years behind and filled with way way more inbred jihadis, don't fuckin' go there kek
macedonia has better mountain tourism even, check out park mavrovo

beach wise albania is the same shit as croatia/greece but like 3x cheaper (For now), croatia is absurdly overpriced for what it is, not even croats can afford to vacation on their own coast anymore

>>511359259
By blood Greeks and Macedonians composition is

Greeks: Albanian 45 percent from medieval times to now. Information and heritage stifled by their modern national identity.

10 percent cacausian
10 percent anatolian
35 percent slavic

Macedonians: 40 percent slavic
40 percent albanian
10 percent turk
10 percent proto albanian too there were people that got assimilated and a whole other dialect of Albanian lost to time.

>>511359243
ako ti treba smeska pred spienje da se iznasmees ubavo vidi shipovo so pisuva>>511359347
>. Monkeydonia only survives because of the Albanians there. Literally leach off the productiveness of Albanians there,
produktivni bile hahahahaha

>>511359379
>doesnt understand subclades
Cease and desist retard. You can’t understand the basics.
>autosmal dna
Says Albanians are the most illyrians >>511348470
>founder effect
Non argument, Albanians have Illyrian forefathers.

>>511359347
>canadian diaspora shqip is still posting this kinda shit
aren't you tired? you've been doing this daily for years lad, I always catch you in every single thread related to albos, if you're not getting paid seek help genuinely, our albos are the worst of the lot, they're literally turks from the 19th century, not even modern turks, all of em speak turkish, they're extremely islamized, they're inbred, they're basically insular ISIS members in statis, even the kosovo alboids are horrified at ours, they're like that couz they wanna be as different as possible from us, these creatures have 0 economic value or output, they're barely human

>>511359506
toj e kanada shiptar sto isto takvo shit pisuva uste od 2012 godina, ludilo

>>511359518
J1 includes all subclades beneath it and is a subclade of all haplogroups phylogentically upstream. Do you have a point to make or are we just keyboard spamming here?

I'm Albanian but every Albanian thread devolves into this cringe illyrian/genetic/haplogroup shit. No matter whichever one is real, we are an embarassment of a people, shame to be from there.

>>511359243
Kosovo is safer than all of western europe.
Even the rural areas of western europe are more dangerous than Kosovo.
Reading what some balkan flags on here being so out of touch with the region do you guys never travel around the balkans?
Croatia is great but expensive as is Greece, Serbia was alright when I travelled through there, Montenegro was like Kosovo but more expensive, Kosovo is great, all the tourists I met only had nice things to say, and I am not even being bias since I am from there.
>>511359450
You are talking out of your ass, there are no jihadis and most of the population just as secular and degenerate as the west nowadays sadly. This aint the 90s anymore though I wish it was.

>>511359719
Indian larper

Do any of you fagots live in Albania? lmao
I'm the only Albanian flag ITT. Diaspora and serb cringe lords ITT.

>>511359719
so the beginning of the thread where the slavs were lying out of their ass about our genetics didnt bother you only when the canada flag came in and gave our genetics testing to prove them wrong did?

>>511359374
grim, I bet they breed like rats too

>>511359497
where is greek ancestry or just making shit up?

Dumb people spent decades spreading propaganda on the origin of the Albanians are the first to dismiss scientific consensus on the matter or where the actual evidence takes them too.

Insecurities all over, we've been here forever they tried to move us and we won't budge. Whatever happens to you guys fuck you and eat shit.

>>511359183
Keep the Lords name out of your sandnigger mouth mudslime.

>>511359885
Skenderbeu fought and lived in Turkey for most of his life until he defected and saved us retard.

Have another cup of joe doing nothing all day lazy bum.

>>511359734
been literally everywhere around the balkans and fairly around europe as well, and no I don't feel safe in mudslime albo villages filled with inbreds, they're only safe because they're filled with 70 yos that are so demented they can't even speak let alone do something to you, like most balkan rural places, urban wise kosovo is more or less the same shit as our albo ghetto, naedranthals, they worship the ground westerners walk on, that's why they'd never do anything to you, but catch a slav out at 2 am in pristina and it'll be a different story, basically your tourist POV doesn't apply to locals, western european countryside is extremely safe, probably the safest in all of europe still, only the cities filled with ahmeds (a lot of which from kosovo) aren't, so idk what ur talking about with that one

you say there's no jihadis though but there's a mall in skopje near where i work called east gate which gets mass tourism from kosovo every saturday and half of them wear full niqabs, you don't know shit man

>>511359908
Why would I care? Okay lets say we ARE illyrian, ok that means we been here a while and had some high ranking people. So what? Look at Albania now, and worse is those who leave to commit crime in the rest of europe.

>>511360008
Shut the fuck up you brown chink eyed loser the Lord is not with you or your country.

>>511359885
Uff erdhi ky i edukuari me na tregu se jena te paedukum, kap shite voten per 1 burek e mos na tesh karin se te tan qetu i ki shqiptar te rritun ne Kosov a Shqipni.

>>511360012
>saved us
>Albania became muslim
KEK

>>511360138
North albania was catholic/orthodox southern albanian orthodox. And by RULE of the ottomans slowly were forcibly converted.

There were some shitty pashas as there were in every state of the time and a good deal of Albanians were not strict practioners and still pagans.

>>511360122
It isnt about anything about how we are.
It is simply about laying our claim to the fact that we are indigenous to the region.
Nobody gives a shit you are illyrian, frankish, anglo saxon or whatever, it is simply defending our identity from being pushed and erased from the history of our native lands by foreigners.

>>511359174
>You haven’t travelled
EVERYONE in the world has always travelled - post documentation for your claim.

And you forgot to post documentation for your other claims, so do it!:
>>511358916

>>511360138
Genetics remain the same, who gives a shit about religion.
Its all jew worship anyway. Native european religion died with the greco-roman pagans.

>>511360044
also don't get me wrong, our albos are about 3x more islamized and less secular than the kosovo ones, the urban ones at least, but that doesn't mean they're not mudslimes, at least like half of 'em are still goatfuckers, only albania is truly secular, albanian albos have nothing to do with ours, absolutely nothing, they're still peasants but its like humans vs homo erectus

>>511360129

How about you come back? In Albania there are already 50k indians/bangladeshis and africans you retard. If you want to help Albania come back and live here. Otherwise sftu.
Legit the country is dying, I have to bear the diaspora fags too.

>>511360405
Albanians were the last pagans left in the region too lol this is always super inconvenient for niggers.

>>511360044
>>511360413
I grew up with bosnians in one neighbourhood, bud. Nobody was stabbing or murdering anybody, sure there were some fights but that was just childish soccer fights. Go outside and live your life.

>>511360405
religion has 100x more of an effect on the culture, mentality and civilization level of people than genetics though, can easily see this with the secular alboids vs the goatfucker turkey cocksucker ones, they're about as different as spaniards vs morrocans in mentality

>>511360505
And when we do come back we'll actually have the capital and resources and knowledge to do shit with and 2 more weeksing with the commies and globohomos you elect.

>>511360505
>How about you come back?
I will in a couple decades, I am useless if I dont have any capital to counter the oligarchs on top.
>>511360527
Yeah I know about some villages that still are to this day. Ne Rugov i ki plot fshatra qe jane kane pagan deri vone, ama tash jane shku ne qytet dhe jane asimilu prej kultures sekulare.

>>511360595
kek bosnians, i went to a highschool which was like half albos and a lot of bosniaks, bosnians are bros, they might be mudslimes but they're still slavs, they were on our side and more or less chilled with us, the albos lived in a different dimension, there were fights all the time between them and us, they did their islamic shit like praying during breaks, they avoided us, we avoided them etc, you don't know shit about day to day life in the balkans coming to these places as a tourist, i imagine its the same anywhere desu, you need some "lived experience", albo mentality (at least of macedonian albos) is 50 years behind the macedonian one, the bosniak one is pretty much the same, i'd say language is as big a dividing factor as religion, 50/50

>>511360601
Maybe for you, religion never mattered to us much because we always had turks with their islam, venetians and later austrians with the catholicism, greek and other slavfags with their orthodoxy always trying to convert us to use us against each other.
Instead we used you against each other and kept ourselves out of the jew religion fight.

>>511359518
Also here is the I2a map, you can see Bosnia is on a gradient, the densest spot extends into Catholic Croatia and Albania is low for the region. Makes even less sense when you overlay a religion map and you see the densest regions of I2 also correlate with Croats and Christian areas. Your theory that le based turks made you muslim but also prevented you from mixing with them doesn't make much sense sir.

Also don't post shit like >>511348470 unless you actually understand the datasets and samples they use, I have seen too many retards do this. Tuscans almost as close to ancient Illyrians as Greeks and Albanians? Are we certain here?

>>511360335
>claim to the fact that we are indigenous to the region.
Thirdie mindset, my family is like this too.
None of that matters. If you want people to not fight against that claim, make the culture and people those others would want to have around.

>>511344598 (OP)
>then a taxi driver insisting he give me a lift to a hostel for free and then demanding 500 Lek/5 euros.
oldest fucking scam in the book, nothing is free if you're a westener in a 3rd world country

>>511360864
kek I grew up in Kosovo and studied a semester in Albania and another in Croatia.
I know the balkans very well.
Leave your house from time to time, and enjoy the balkans while the wave of jeets and other shitskins hasnt become too big.

>>511360864
Hey makedoniabro, is it true that half of Albania is Catholic? Reading your posts I'm feeling the taxi driver in Berlin lied to me lol

>>511360893
this shit is only true for albanian albos
kosovo ones are only recently getting secularized, before they were the same as ours, pale arabs basically, but this is changing in urban kosovo yeah, ours are still very islamic, I browse a lot of albo social media out of boredom to see whats what in their society, there's a growing gap between 100% anti religion albo nationalists and the turkish worshippers kek, its funny, like a mini cultural civil war

>>511360766
Jan ca zakonat ce kan shpetur edhe ne fejet tjera. Jemi perzir si njerez me ate pune nuk besojm sit tjerat

>>511360864
You overhyping your identity you're turkbulgarians MIXED with albanian you aren't any different there isn't better parts of Macedonia. Theres a part that wants nothing to do with you and all in all just a piece of shit.

>>511360989
That is an inferiority complex of yours, a culture should not bend over to anybody but its own people.

>>511360012
So then why the fuck are you a muslim then?

>>511361075

Damn, I can't imagine living among Islamic retards. Living among secular albos is bad enough lmao

>>511361158
It is no complex, we are inferior.

>>511361192
I'm Christian, my ancestors in recent times were muslim but they were from traditionally christian areas. Tirona was muslim because it was the capital but most of the people there early on are not fanatical practitioners.

>>511344598 (OP)
post albania pics.

>>511361109
hmmm, macedonians are generally really chill, violence crime is extremely rare, especially random one, our people move to germany/US and assimilate completley into "quiet christian german immigrant working class" and "white america" within years, your complexes about our history aside just calling it how it is, i agree that secular albanian albos are really chill, but you should go to tetovo and meet ours for yourself you'll be amazed kek

>>511361225
read about albos coming to skopje to meet your own "people" and being like wtf why do they all speak turkish
kek

>>511349750
This has got to be an edit. No way iq dropped 10 percentages on average in the entire area. That is insane Africa tier.

>>511361308
Nobody from Mainland Albania was radical. The north were more wild but they had their own isolated thing going on and just like the south were constanltly pressured by an invading and ever encroaching culture trying to assimilate them. In the center its field niggas who are traditionally chill and all in all we are remnants of somewhat latinized peoples. We have civility in us but we dont give a fuck about what Serbs or Greeks want us to do.

Kosovars and Macedonians is what you get when on the fringes when your isolated and also devilized by living with the enemy,

>>511360123
Kill yourself rat.

>>511361075
>there's a growing gap between 100% anti religion albo nationalists and the turkish worshippers
thats just zogmerican proxies ducking it out with turkish proxies.
Every balkan country has that paradigm now, you guys just have the chinese proxies going to war with the zogmerican ones.

>>511361373
Well in all fairness I was being harsh bc your lumping me in with retards.

Its kind of a meme within albanians too about other albanians that they hate eachother.

And Macedonians have the rep of being untrustworthy backstabbers bc they took after you lot and that the women are whores.

>>511353842
> probably you stand out like a sore thumb and are not capable of camouflaging yourself when you travel. a good warrior/hunter is good at camouflaging, at blending into the surroundings and going unnoticed
Yeah good one mate. I went to uzbekistan last summer and people were literally asking to take photos with me and my girlfriend because we were white and therefore stood out/were different. There's nothing inherently wrong with standing out, and the behaviour OP describes is subhuman tier. Of course a romanian wouldn't exactly know better...

>>511361491

Scores are based on PISA results.

>>511361585
>you guys just have the chinese proxies going to war with the zogmerican ones
true but both of those are still macedonians with the same mentality and its a purely political disagreement
the secular albos vs the turkified arabized ones is completely different, its not just politics, the albo parts of skopje feel like baghdad, you should visit if you can, chair/old bazaar, its so oriental its insane, you can't believe that you're technically in europe

>>511361647
absolutely insane, macedonians are just hard working christian family types but undisciplined and corrupt, and the women are whores everywhere in the balkans now, ones younger than 30, but still there's some societal shame and taboo for whoring, much much much more than in the west thats for sure, our albos take after turkish proxies like that guy said, nothing else, and wahhabis ig

>>511361798
Thats just the stereotype of the ones we interact that live here to be honest tho, maybe a little bit from the people that interacted with them in Albania before they left.

But there is more admiration for the Kosovars for being proper men than the Macedonians.

>>511361687
.... That is depressing..all of the Balkans dropped around half a standard deviation in less then a generation? What the fuck?

>>511362010
sure, they are more loud and prone to fits of physical violence when disagreements happen, that's definitely more "manly" for the avg balkan peasant, macedonians are rly conflict averse overall, to the point of being cucks often politically, but its chill, if you wanna see the diff visit a city like bitola, krushevo or shtip and then visit tetovo and gostivar, mentality wise its like going from germany to turkey, more or less how it is, i've been to ksamil thats it and its rly nice though, kosovo just pristina, and its a dump, really not a fan, kosovo is hopeless imo, albania is somehow booming these past 5-6 years though, rama ftw i guess

>>511361238
Maybe you are.
It seems to me most people who hold your opinion are usually midwits stuck in shitty lives that turn their self loathing towards their own identity since they think that if they were not from a certain origin their life would be better.
>>511361798
The macedonians are a bit more religious due to the fact that they had to use their religion as a way of defending themselves against assimilating into your guys, and the anti religion seculars are mostly all just boomer commies mixed with some younger libs who want to be like the west. It means nothing besides online chimping with bored boomers on each side and some ngos funded by foreign govs also on each side.

>>511362111
Braindrain bro.
All my friends and colleagues who were high iq got out as soon as they could since there is no way to survive as a high iq man in balkan society and not go insane from being financially mogged by 60iq oligarchs.

>>511362205
Lord knows what kind of deals that Big head faggot has planned to sell us out completely though. Hes put us on the map for foreign retards to set up shop.

>>511362205
>mentality wise its like going from germany to turkey
i mean this in the sense of the people being overall more law abiding, quiet and civilized though, but not germany tier, we're still a shithole, and people still think its okay to litter, balkanites have 0 respect for anything they don't personaly own, like parks or streets, they only see it as things they can use not like a "common good", long as that mentality persists we'll all remain shitholes, only slovenia is truly western, and I think romania is kinda the next poland devleopment wise potentially, they already have cities which are basically 1st world (cluj and brasov)

>>511347381
Why did you have to let it be known?
There are plenty of English speaking countries you could have lied to be from, if you did not want to be overcharged. Or just not buy from dynamic pricing entities and just use regular stores and routes.

>>511362384
Ai ska plane perveq qe don me mbajt mandat sa te mundet me vjedh edhe me bo pare tu e shit ate vend parcel per parcel te te hujt. Kur te merzitet e largohet prej pushteti vjen tjetri i unt e nis ciklin apet.

>>511362384
idk but i think hes a great politician, witty, charismatic, while still knowing how to play realpolitik, betetr than that fucking demon retard KURti in kosovo for sure

>>511362656
Kurti is just a che guevara bro who has to larp as a social democrat in order to keep the west off his back to do some reform.
I like him, but then again I like everybody apart from neolibs and neocons.

>>511356007
See?

>>511344598 (OP)
Nigger

>>511362892
lmao dont worry I got plenty of cousins in your country. Soon the National Liberation Front of Basel will become operational.
All your clay belong to us.

>>511344598 (OP)
Good, I hope the tourism "industry" dies, plus you're probably a nigger too, I suggest you visit servia, you'll feel right at home.

>>511362424
>cluj and brasov
Holy shit no. The overpriced narcissistic druggie hipster IT dude city and the grifter town, both in the fucking mountains, draining all public and private investments into mostly real estate,.in the fucking mountains, so that prices really skyrocket to the fucking moon with construction quality below fucking Africa, so much so that you are safer in a former commie block and can get them cheaper as well.

Jesus fuck no. Just no.

Yes the violence is low because we exported basically all criminals.in the west where they get X3 or X5 profits for the same shit, but once shengen dies, and it will die, (it already is we just refuse to acknowledge it) those motherfuckers will likely come back or be deported back.

And then the fun will begin.

>>511363285
>in the fucking mountains
yes lad... mountain cities are the most naturally beautiful always
transylvanian landscape is absolutely beautiful, going through slovakia for example it feels unreal to me, some of the most beautiful nature in the world imo, romania is fortunate to have it, wallachia is kinda so and so..... but who knows

you guys have the most potential of any balkan place, a lot of land, a lot of population, no obvious threats cept the fake ones about russia n shit, could potentially be the next poland growth and development wise, but who knows, idk, cluj still has a lot of commieblocks that are kinda ew, but if u renovate em they look fine too

>>511363134
What exactly is your target?
To turn other countries into shit holes?