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>>511392703 (OP)
>Ukraine, Moldova, Syria, Armenia lost
>NATO rejuvenated
>defeat in Kiev, Kharkiv, and Kherson
>endless meatgrinding in Donbass
>a million casualties (200K dead)
ALL FOR NOTHING. Putin should’ve prevented Maidan, he should’ve have invaded Ukraine earlier, he should’ve partially mobilized after Kiev. But no, Putin is the greatest cuck in history.

>>511392658
>>511392803
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>>511392473
We live in the age of firepower. This is nothing new - fundamentally, wars are fought the same way as they were by 1918 at the latest, because the "facts of life" haven't fundamentally changed. Then as now, the main consideration in land warfare is the terrible destructive power of modern weapons - even ordinary rifles, machine guns and quick-firing artillery, even if these are all old hat (though still widely used and very useful) are extremely deadly. Even a handful of defenders armed with things like machine guns can cut down an incautious or inept attacker. Viewed in this light, drones are just the latest in a long succession of new weapons.

Regardless, it's still possible to successfully attack and defend against an opponent armed with such weapons. A lot of it comes down to the same old techniques of passive defense: dispersion, maximum use of cover and concealment, etc. In general, you want to deny your enemy, whether you're attacking or defending, to get shots off - you do this by not being seen, and by doing your best to suppress or find and kill him.

As an aside, all of this - because you have to proceed systematically - tends to slow things down; the average speed of an attacking force advancing against concerted opposition hasn't changed since Napoleonic times. (It's a a literal, physical speed - there's historical data from dozens and dozens of wars.) It's a little slower than walking pace, despite the advent and wide adoption of all kinds of motor vehicles and so on. With me so far?

>>511392952
Death to 3d women

Ty for the bread
>>511392585
Well yes. A squad of rifleman in the field need to be able to defend themselves from drones. If men dont feel they have a reasonable chance of survival, they wont fight.

>>511393133
weeew <3

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>>511392523
>In the non halal section of supermarket along with alcohol.
how civilized. ty anon for the info

I told you Johnny FD would start a war in Thailand next.

>>511393164
Can even the best-equipped and best-trained infantry squad do anything at all to defend themselves against artillery attack? Of course not - and this isn't a new state of affairs. I should add that, long before the first observation drones, artillery fire could be very accurate and deadly. Regardless, it was still possible to use infantry, whether on the offense or on the defense.

>>511393128
Im aware of the fundementals of war.
But drones are revolutionary much like the bow and arrow or cannons. You can see your enemy from miles away, kill them or just recon for a larger strike all without risking your own men. Cheap drones have forever changed the shape of war.

>>511393133
Not a nice thing to say about your mom.
>>511393128
>dispersion, maximum use of cover and concealment
Your assessment is correct but man that is SO FUCKING BORING
Can we fast-forward to portable shield technology? Power suits? Where the fuck are all those stationary defensive rail guns and lasers?

Most advanced tech we have now are still radar and evolution of jamming tech (muh EW). Boooooooooring

Porkroast STURM
Give volksturm no respite

>>511393366
Ja now les go Russia.
Meet about mine anger.
However so you is that condition.
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>>511393366
Without me. Nothing you have nothing I have.
Eh

>>511393366
>WheelofRacialSuperiorityg(...).gif
>posted by a Russian
ironic
>>511393299
The best defense is to not be there
Second best is a correctly built trench

>>511393299
Artillery in the past required a scout team finding the enemy and calling it in. Now you dont need to risk those men. That alone is drastic.

Of course infantry are needed and effective. But if a counter to drones is not found then theres going to be a major issue

pls dear god, let something happen today

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>>511393337
>But drones are revolutionary much like the bow and arrow or cannons. You can see your enemy from miles away, kill them or just recon for a larger strike all without risking your own men.
That isn't a new state of affairs. You must also consider that, in general, both sides will have drones - or artillery, or machine guns, or whatever...

>>511393345
Capeshit.

-

Leaving that aside, I think the thing to do is to consider what the "tactical system" of the future will look like - and it must be considered as a system. (Incidentally, the term "combined arms" is a misnomer the way it's often used.) What you need is to consider the way an/the army operates as a unified, integrated system - its doctrine and tactics and so on, and also its equipment. All this is for the sake of solving a certain fundamental problem: how to successfully attack and defend against an opponent equipped with things like observation quadcopters, FPV kamikaze drones, etc.?

Well, in the first place, and as mentioned, you make maximum use of cover, concealment and dispersion. These technologies make it very hazardous to concentrate troops - it's because there's only so much cover available in a given area, and you saturate it pretty quickly. On the other hand, these technologies also mean that you need to have fewer troops on the ground - though you still need some - than before. Therefore, even though these weapons make it more hazardous than before on the receiving end, they also mean that you have to put fewer men in harm's way than before. This means that your troops will be deployed in greater depth and probably over relatively longer frontages than before - which is a continuation of existing trends.

Jah I am borne te Leiden market.
Which is to be the Vatican.
Best herring.
Also best Gouda farmery Nellenstein.

>>511393532
Yes, dealer, the usual. Yes I aware that I'm putting everything on the zero for the 44th time, still yet to lose even once.

Also where I was borne.
In Gouda which is same flag Austria

the strongest cat

>>511393647
But both sides dont have the same industrial output to produce drones. And the other weapons place men in immediate danger and require months if not years of training, feeding, paying wages, providing medical care etc.

>>511393337
Drones are overrated af

>>511393647
I haven't really taken the time to think about organization, so I'm rambling - this'll be rather disjoined. Regardless, even though I don't think I've properly introduced the subject, let's turn to what the weapons of the future might look like.

In the first place, I think artillery has a very bright, and very long, future ahead of it. With that said, the basic weapon of the artillery might be rockets/missiles (that is, something rocket-powered and which flies on a ballistic trajectory, like an artillery rocket) rather than guns and shell. Why?

It's a matter of greater range; the longer-ranged your guns or whatever, the further away from the front line they can operate, which is a great advantage - distance is excellent protection from FPV quadcopters and Lancet-like things, or whatever their future successors will be, as well as from observation drones and the like.

The actual rockets in question (as an aside, not all missiles are rockets - some have jet propulsion; in addition, if it's solid, it's a motor, whereas if it burns liquid propellants, it's an engine) will be rather like existing artillery rockets. They'll be large enough to achieve substantially greater ranges than tube artillery, and they'll be mass-produced in huge quantities - if you do that, you can make them very cheap. (Manufactured goods are expensive because they're made in small quantities, and not the other way round.) I believe that it's possible, even with unguided rockets, to achieve good accuracy even at very long range, but it'll take some work. It won't be that expensive to provide them with guidance.

It's possible these rockets might be good dual-purpose weapons - perhaps with the addition of a relatively cheap guidance kit, something like how a glide kit can be attached to a dumb bomb, they can be made into cheap heavy SAM interceptors. This has historical precedent; look at how flak was an adaptation of tube artillery, and could be used against ground targets.

Do you think those fiber optic wires are more visible in other spectrums of light?

>>511392703 (OP)
Buhanka bro??

>>511393646
>now fear my government cuckout
Sucks, don't it?
Hang in there, anon. With any luck this will be a short chimpout similar to the one between Pakis and Jeets we saw earlier this year.
>>511393647
>Capeshit.
Don't be mean. I'm clearly complaining in jest. My point is that we've seen a lot of evolution, but no revolution in technology.
Drones are a revolution in ISR and targeted removal of materiel/personnel. But that's not a technical revolution by any means. That's what I'm complaining about.

>>511394108
Shells will keep being a thing for a while because you can saturate a large area and deliver a lot of explosive power for low cost (unless you're a natofag making shell for 5000 $ apiece, but even then they'll be cheaper than your drones and rockets cause everything will be scaled accordingly)

O ja now Holland could pay it might as well fore most dearest Germany

Does anyone think I shouldn't pay Germany.
>Also the English speaking countries swore truth fuhrer

>>511393646
I want to SVO the cambodiangutans...

Netherlands building bungalows for Ukrainian refugees.

>>511394078
Or rather, they are good to kill/cripple armour like lancets and to deplete enemy AD like shaheds
As for the rest they still have many drawbacks compared to traditional weapons
No doubt it will change overtime though

>>511394381
Berlusconi would have built bungabungalows for hoholinas only

>>511394412
>calling gerans "shaheds"
Found the r*ddit tranny

>>511394171
You can't plan technological/scientific breakthroughs/paradigm shifts; they happen/arrive of their own volition. There may well be no scientific/technological paradigm shifts applicable to land warfare/or warfare in general in the offing. And actually, even things like portable energy shields or railguns or what have you wouldn't change the rules of the game - after all, they're like what already exists, just more so in some respects.

>>511394255
Rockets can be made very cheap, perhaps more cheaply than shells; you don't need to make heavy forgings. You also save on the cost of the tubes - that is, the barrels, although to be fair there's ways to make those rather cheaply, too, and ways to reduce the cost of shell as well. Either way, you have to be able to make HE and propellant (whether that's to fill charge bags or motors) cheaply.

Look into what the Germans tried to bring down the cost of artillery ammunition/gun tubes during WWII. Ian Hogg (perhaps you remember him from 90s-era History Channel documenteries, where he was a frequent interviewee - he was a British expert on ordnance) wrote a book on the German artillery of WWII, where he describes both German efforts to develop artillery shells made from concrete, to make the driving bands for shells from sintered iron rather than copper alloys, to make cartridge cases for artillery ammunition (in those days, the Germans preferred case guns with sliding breechblocks) from steel rather than the same copper alloys, and to make barrels for flak guns from several welded segments rather than from big forgings.

Is there any map showing fortifications?

>>511394441
Maybe an all girls school.

women were a mistake

Mine anger knows it limits nei.
My country belongs te Russia

>>511394491
OK, lemme stop the QQ and put on a serious hat for a moment.

We've seen the success that sea drones are capable of even though their use has been much more limited than air or even land drones. My (open) question is when we'll see naval vessels outfitted with launchers for sea drones?

I'm guessing never since all ship-on-ship combat will happen with missiles at BVR distances?

So then what are sea drones good for? Lying in ambush for paroling vessels in some kind of hidden autonomous drone station? A weapon for non-state actors?

i wish i knew chinese

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>>511394412
Thats a pretty big deal

>>511394171
They are not a revolution in ISR.

>>511394489
Shahed/witness sounds cooler than
>A fucking flower
And that was the og design from which all models derive anyway, seethe
>>511394491
Sure they can be made for cheaper too, but when you race to the bottom in terms of output to maximize volume, and already have a well established industry rather than starting from scratch, shells will beat out rockets in terms of cheapness

>>511394612
Would you be kind enough to give a QRD? I am way too tired to try and read what a woman has to say.
>>511394729
>having cheap and easily available video feeds of enemy movements and concentration of forces is not a revolution
Cool post, nigga
>>511394780
Only hohols still Gerans as "shaheds". You are a jew. KYS.

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>>511394339

>>511394680
>sea drones
I've given this matter much less thought.

>We've seen the success that sea drones are capable of even though their use has been much more limited than air or even land drones.
I'm not sure how successful the hohols actually been in this respect. The Kerch Bridge is still standing, the Black Sea Fleet is still very much in business (they're still kalibrating the land of 404 on a regular basis, after all), etc.

>My (open) question is when we'll see naval vessels outfitted with launchers for sea drones?
>So then what are sea drones good for? Lying in ambush for paroling vessels in some kind of hidden autonomous drone station?
These questions are related. Bear in mind that sea drones are based on fairly general purpose technologies and so on.

I think to some extent they might be used offensively as a replacement for naval commandos. Other types of drones, meanwhile, sort of fall into the same category as mines - which have damaged/sunk more warships than any other kind of naval weapon in the postwar era. (They did a lot in the world wars, too.)

>>511394780
You'd have to look at the matter in detail. Those shells (and don't forget you need *charges,* too) won't be that much cheaper than rockets, and they won't be able to reach as far - plus, you've got to consider that the cost per *shot* includes depreciation on the gun and so on, and you can't use the same basic projectile for both offensive (against ground targets) and defensive (against air targets with the addition of a cheap "tail kit") purposes.

>>511394819
Having an M14 is a revolution over an M1. An SPG is a revolution over a towed artillery piece.

You are a hysterical retard.

>>511394819
Nigger, the shahed is a cheap kamikaze drone meant for mass use to overwhelm and deplete enemy AD was literally an iranian invention
Therefore saying
>Drones like the shahed are useful against AD
is a perfectly logical phrase when referring to the original model which started the line and doctrine eventually culminating in the geranium, now eat shit and die dumb khokhloniggerfaggot

>>511395121
>Having an M14 is a revolution over an M1.
Absolutely not, and the historical record bears this out - the M14 turned out to be a real dog of a rifle; as I understand it, the fact that e.g. the Springfield Armory doesn't exist any more is partly a result of the M14 debacle.

Bomb hyhyls

>>511395224
Bless your aspie soul. Context, fren.

>>511394935
>literally me after 3+ years of war
I just want to renew my passport and travel back to visit the graves of my grandparents, bros...
>>511395038
>the Black Sea Fleet is still very much in business
I won't pretend to pull stats out of my ass. I recall reading interviews with sailors of the modern Russian patrol ship that was sunk by a drone. Their complaint was how difficult the drone was to detect in the first place with their radar and then to attempt at destroy because all they had were machine guns mounted on the deck perimeter of their ship. All this means is that naval anti-drone defenses are going to need to evolve too.

>replacement for naval commandos
This is a good idea. Instead of flashy missiles send in sea drones (maybe even a submarine variant?) followed immediately by human commandos. Makes sense why it was the Bongs who appear to have invested so much into developing such drones.

Did you ever look into why VLS took over the more traditional missile launchers on ships? I am guessing because VLS can accomodate more powerful/longer range missiles despite it being impossible (for now) to reload VLS while underway?

Mine anger is Russia

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>Ukraine can and does strike Crimea
>Crimea has lost significance for Russia due to this
>Russia's economy will collapse
>Ukraine will fight to free Crimea
>Russian soldiers will leave due to low morale
>We must think critically and not give into "forced narratives"
Oinkers, we are so back.

>>511395121
Would you prefer to be in a unit that has drone operators that can be provide you real time intel and use FPVs to hit enemy armor columns?
Or would you prefer to be in a unit without drones?
There you go, just answered your own question you gay retard.
>>511395146
Gerans have underwent three major evolutions since the original Shahed days. The only remaining similarity is (roughly) their shape as the payload capacity, range, and communication modules have all changed drastically.
tl;dr - you are the dumbest gorilla-nigger in this thread shut the fuck up

>>511395420
did they target something behind that building?

Ukranda is eternal

What if an Indian dies and is reincarnated as Chinese?

What the fuck is this tea shit spam?

>>511395482
>more emotional, bad arguments

>>511395585
he must redeem

>>511395647
>won't answer the question because he knows I'm right
I accept your concession.
>>511395618
It's drama shit to do with roasties - /pol/s favorite obsession after jews. I can give you a QRD if you really care (hint: you don't, trust me).

>>511395585
You think if one of those ladies gets call of nature would she hold it in or shit in the cemetery?
I'm surprised to even see headstones. I figured jeets would just burn their bodies or something.

>>511395315
As an aside, I don't think any of the good service rifles of the 20th century (we'll lump the late 19th-century stuff in - basically, everything designed to chamber ammo that's familiar to us) were designed by a committee.

Let's consider the old stuff first: the bolt-action rifle par excellence, the Mauser, was the work of a pair of brothers. The M1 rifle was John Garand's brainchild; as for the M1 carbine, I suggest you look into the story of "Carbine" Williams; it's a very interesting one - he developed it while in prison for some petty violent crime. They made a movie about it. Mikhail Kalashnikov designed the AK, Eugene Stoner the AR, and Dieudonne Saive (he was John Browning's protege, since Browning ended up at FN - he even taught himself French, beginning with all the words for the various parts of guns, by a laborious but effective process) and so on, and so forth.

>>511395386
>Did you ever look into why VLS took over the more traditional missile launchers on ships?
More firepower. You can get more missiles off in a shorter period of time because a VLS is a hell of a lot faster than the old rail-based systems - there's much less to do. Also, there's no need to traverse and elevate a launcher - the missile takes care of that all on its own. The rate of fire of guided missile warships armed with old-style rail launchers is much lower, because you've got to go through this elaborate mechanical rigamarole for every shot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbP3Piglt3U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z61GgmFj_X4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjLdsTalnbw

I can't find the exact film I was looking for, but "mechanical rigamarole" is no exaggeration; this gigantic Rube Goldberg machine has to take the missile from the magazine on to the rail.

i am just happy asian women exist. seriously

>>511395790
>there's no need to traverse and elevate a launcher
I didn't even think of that. I figured that once the missile is off the rail it'll take care of corrections by itself like a VLS-launched one.
Thanks for the clips. The first one reminds me: we need to bring back tactical missiles (air-to-air or sea-to-sea) with nuclear warheads.
Why?
For the lolz, of course.

>>511395790
IIRC the chink Type 055s have the most VLS cells on any vessel in service, right? I remember something about arsenal ships being planned but never actually being built and the wikipedia article mentions something about chinkna planning submersible arsenal ships. A missile sub spamming Dongfengs would be a sight to behold.

https://files.catbox.moe/jrufe0.MP4

>>511396026
The Russian battlecruiser that's been in refit for 20 years ought to have the most. It is technically in service and ought to be actually in service this or next year.

Major setbacks for Russia

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https://files.catbox.moe/4ecyww.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/wdvfw3.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/1ibwu9.mp4

>>511396238
You mean the Admiral Kuznetsov? Funny thing about that one, it apparently packs enough CIWS and deck guns to put one ton of ammunition into the air per second. The sheer volume of firepower is gratifying.

>>511394116
Maybe extreme low range infrared since they're glass.

>>511395971
>>511393912
To get back to the original question - the answer to the drone problem is, in the first place, to use your own firepower and observation drones and so on to clear away as many threats as you can (in general, I'm thinking of what you do on the offense) so that your own front-line forces, whether they're on foot or mounted, have a minimum of stuff flying their way. They must also, as stated, disperse, take maximum advantage of cover, etc.

Besides this, you mass-produce air defense systems and radars - not man-portable stuff - to provide cover. Another possibility is to redesign main battle tanks around dual-purpose armament - low-cost guided missile/rocket systems that are also highly effective against aerial targets - but that's another story. This way, you have a good idea of what's in the air, so you can provide early warning of attack, and you have some ability to shoot down incoming threats. That's something you do in addition to other measures, though - you have to make sure your enemy gets as few opportunities to get good shots off as possible.

>>511396026
I also have recollection that chinks built a mid-size vessel (forgot if Destroyer or Cruiser) with a shitload of VLS. Even if the missiles themselves aren't the best the defender is still going to be at a huge disadvantage as common doctrine dictates launching two interceptors per one incoming.
>>511395790
Watched the second clip. That's cool tech, but painfully slow.

Any opinion on the role of aircraft carriers will play in American doctrine over the next 20-30 years? Having a platform to launch 5th gen jets anywhere in the world is cool, but their operational area will be severely limited by hypersonic anit-ship missiles and even IRBMs.
>>511396066
I know it's dumb but I'd hate to own a car in Ukraine
>be goodboi
>pay insurance on time
>wake up and an AD interceptor fell on your car during night
My heart would break even if it was a piece of shit lada

>>511396318
Kuznetsov is the discontinued carrier. I mean the Nakhimov, I think. I am being firced to phonepost so it is hard to doublecheck.

>>511393366
I bet the ukies orderly retreated as always
thank you cucktin for your utmost generosity and your gestures of goodwill

>>511392703 (OP)
whoah, maybe I should go outside...
>>511392721
No, never mind

>>511393912
>But both sides dont have the same industrial output to produce drones
This is very incorrect.
Russia can build giant city block size factories deep in its interior. The best that Ukraine can do are small artisinal drone printing shops dispersed amongst apartment buildings because anything the size of a warehouse will eventually be identified and Kalibrated.
>>511396337
>not man-portable stuff
Why not? The Russian "Yelka/Yolka" drone seems to be promising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HyNiAFEWCQ
At least good to defend your own trenches if not to take with you to assault.
>main battle tanks around ... low-cost guided missile/rocket systems
So like an MLRS that you can take with you to an assault?
Sounds fucking lit, bro

>>511396380
>Any opinion on the role of aircraft carriers will play in American doctrine over the next 20-30 years?
I think the USN will keep them round, barring some catastrophe, just out of sheer inertia.
>Having a platform to launch 5th gen jets anywhere in the world is cool, but their operational area will be severely limited by hypersonic anit-ship missiles and even IRBMs.
The real question is what naval airpower can actually accomplish; it seems as though even against a technically backwards adversary with no meaningful air defense, there might not be all that much naval airpower can do on its own to affect the course of events on the ground; I read recently (on Twatter) that apparently the USN is flying lots of sorties in Somalia against al-Shabaab or some other nigger headchopper outfit, but they're still advancing regardless and may well capture Mogadishu, despite the fact that they have no meaningful ability to impede USN sorties.

Here's the film I was thinking of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU
The sequence we're interested in starts at the five-minute mark.

It invites comparison to something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIkHgqVCf_Y

So good.

>>511395279
What's going on in Shostka? That's a lot of bombing.

>>511396380
>Any opinion on the role of aircraft carriers will play in American doctrine over the next 20-30 years?
Carriers have been relegated to police and humanitarian duties, as they have no place in the era of sats and networked hypersonic missiles. The problem is that the enemy does not need to see the carrier exactly, only their general direction. The missile salvo will search and assign targets on their own, while reporting back detailed information that can be used to aim the second salvo if it is required.
This also works on airplanes when you are firing AA missiles on stealt jets btw but they are obviously more mobile.

T*lmud status?

>>511396807
It's actually still pretty hard to find targets at sea, at least if they're way out in the open ocean - I sperged out at one of the hues over this. You see, satellites can only detect things they've got line-of-sight to - they can't detect anything at all at a given location if they're under the horizon, and for reasons of orbital mechanics, you need a *lot* of satellites to get continuous coverage of an area.

>>511396583
I also think USN will keep aircraft carriers around because they are a huge capital investment and even "getting rid of them" will be complicated and expensive (not to mention a prestige hit).
>what naval airpower can actually accomplish
Yeah, that's true. I remember giving another anon a hard time ITT because he didn't understand that airpower is only as strong as the targets your ISR or spies can provide it.
If doctrine changes to reduce occurrences of force concentration then at best you are hitting some bunkers/trenches/ammo dumps (assuming you can get close enough). Which isn't nothing, but it then becomes a question of economics and wartime production both for the guided bombs and the airframes.

>HMS Glamorgan
What's crazy to me is how they operated such complex systems without a screen that can provide detailed information but just lights that would turn on/off.
>Thunderbird
This cartoon was before my time, but the doll animation is still excellent. Reminds me of a more innocent time when I thought America was the "good guys".

>>511394582
https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%A1%D0%92%D0%9E/ByusDqdQgf

Don't know how realistic this is, but it has lots of lines

>>511396807
>missile salvo will search and assign targets on their own, while reporting back detailed information
I'm sorry, what are you basing this on? What current missile in service can do this?
Just "YOLO and forget" in the general direction of a naval group?
>>511396940
I'm guessing measures are taken to make sure heat signatures from ship engines are reduced to avoid sticking out against the even background of ocean water? What about smokestacks on conventional fuel ships (i.e. not atomic)?

>>511396845
desu I'm more interested in Pokrovsk status
Did not expect Russia to stick its cock in there so quickly.
Concerning!!!

>>511396452
thank you for concerning, pasta tranny, because ukranny known for allied orderly retreats like one in... ehhh?

>>511397166
>orderly retreats like one in...
Avdiivka :^)

Ukraine has inflicted a crushing moral defeat on Russia. Repercussions in the victory could galvanize Ukrainian war effort.

>>511396575
>So like an MLRS that you can take with you to an assault?
Sounds fucking lit, bro
Start by getting rid of all but one crewman; there'll still be about as many men in e.g. a tank platoon/company, but they'll be assigned to "pit crews." Why? Well, you reduce interior volume, which lets you - for reasons of geometry - make use of your weight more efficiently; you can have less surface area and so on, so you can have thicker armor for a given weight.

You automate things so that this one crewman - I suppose he'll be like a mecha pilot - can control everything easily. Since there's no need to coordinate the actions of several men, he might well be able to make more effective use of his vehicle than otherwise.

For armament, the tank will have both some kind of autocannon - perhaps up to 57mm caliber - and a guided missile system; I envision several launch rails mounted on the turret and fed from a magazine in the hull. You could keep it quite simple, actually - just traverse the turret to point dead ahead and elevate the launchers to vertical to line them up with little hatches to the magazines. These might be hypervelocity missiles, similar to some existing (prototyped but never fielded) designs. You'd have several types - for use against armored ground targets, you might have unguided KE ones. These would have a longer minimum range than tank guns, but it wouldn't be so bad; they'd be able to kill whatever they hit at quite substantial ranges. For use against other types of targets, you might have both HEAT and fragmentation rockets. For fire control, you'd have a small phased-array radar. And of course, you'd also have lots of ERA, cage armor, and active protection. These things would operate in concert with acquisition radar vehicles for early warning. They'd be able to effectively defend themselves from drones and many types of missiles, but you'd have to take the other measures I've described so they wouldn't just be overwhelmed.

>>511396575
>both sides dont have the same industrial output
>this is incorrect, Russia has a larger industrial output
U wot m8

In a major blow to Putin, Putin has been inform by top generals that russian progress is likely to be slow and costly. Putin was said to be furious

>>511396940
The whole point of modern missiles is that you do not need to track them perfectly. You know when they leave port, you occasionally spot them as sats move above because you know where to look because there is a department in naval intelligence in charge of keeping track of where the carrier is.

>>511397105
It was introuced with the Granit missile in its crudest form half a century ago and all modern Russian missiles have this capability including Kalibr and Oniks for certain, probably the Zircon as well although that is not guaranteed because of the whole plasma sheathe thing.

>>511397226
ah right, where they run in dirt fields shelled and dronned nonstop cos all roads were crossed and it was so panicked that their own hyhyl blackline took them for russians and blasted them with arty and basically none got out.

Morning anon. Reporting gains.

>>511397156
>Did not expect Russia to stick its cock in there so quickly
St-ACK link just fucks-up

>>511397105
It isn't even that. The kind of satellites you'd use would be in low Earth orbits; that means an orbital period of 90 to 100 minutes. They'd be over the horizon at any given location for 10 minutes or so at most, and that's if you're right under the ground track.

Their orbits will be at some inclination to the equator; even if it's at a fairly low inclination and you're only interested in coverage at low latitudes (this is applicable to the Pacific), the Earth is rotating sideways while the orbit itself remains fixed in inertial space. As a result, to get continuous coverage, you need a lot of satellites in multiple planes. This is why any communications service which uses satelites in low Earth orbit must include a lot of spacecraft in many different orbital planes. Look into Iridium.

Think of a satellite in orbit around the Earth as acting like the rotor of a gyroscope; it's effectively on perfect gimbals. If you want to look into the orbital mechanics, you need concern yourself only with circular orbits; you need three orbital elements - that is, the circular orbital altitude (or radius), the inclination, and the right ascension of ascending node (RAAN).

>>511397385
I misread your post, sorry.
>>511397324
Not arguing, but how would missiles identify enemy ships? Heat or matching images?
>>511397473
The sarcasm of my reply was lost in text. My fault.
What you described was my dark humor reference. What AFU command did in Avdiivka by not ordering a timely retreat just to stall the Russian advance by a few hours was a crime.

>>511397518
another day another encirclement

Holy smokes /chug/ Russia is BLACKEDRAW thoughts on this?

>>511397574
hyhyls literally neer retreat cos they are retarded, now sneedsky probably tries to send reinfrcements to porkroast so more hyhyls get koteled

>>511397551
If that little outage was caused by Russian military hackers then that's very cool. It certainly was very timely
>>511397647
It's the Soviet WW2 mindset in Ukraine. Why value your men if you invested almost nothing to train them and you can always moooobilize more?
>>511397455
Not arguing, but how would missiles identify enemy ships? Heat or matching images?
(fucked up my reply to wrong poster earlier_

>>511397574
I think you meant a different post. There's a lot of different techniques, and there's many different kinds of missiles.

Let's consider, for starters, the sort of anti-ship missiles we're familiar with. These are effectively miniature airplanes; they have wings and they generate aerodynamic lift, and they fly at relatively low altitudes; they usually have jet propulsion. In the terminal phase of an attack, they might fly at speeds comparable to a jet airliner - that is, fairly high subsonic speeds; alternatively, they might make a supersonic dash to the target. Regardless, such missiles are almost invariably active radar-homing; they carry a radar, which can acquire and track targets on the sea surface the same way radars acquire and track any other target. After that, it's just a matter of steering into said target. There's lots of possibilities there - you might fly in at wave-top height all the way, or you might pull up and then dive on the target, for example. What you do at higher speeds is another story...

>>511397803
its not soviet mindset, its retard mindset. soviets had this mindset till stalingrad but then they learned. after stalingrad germans started to have this mindset.

>>511397324
>one crewman
That's very hard for me to imagine. When you drive you have to focus on driving. I can see two crew: driver/mechanic and commander/gunner sitting side-by-side though.
>57mm caliber
Any specific reason for this caliber? I looked it up and 57mm are either single shot AT guns, one AA gun, or a number of naval guns.
For comparison BMPT Terminator uses twin 30mm cannons.

Maybe this is scope creep, but it would be nice if this machine could use its missiles to hit ground targets and not just provide an air defense "bubble" only.

Something is wrong, we should have taken Kherson by now

>>511398017
Nodoby imagined hohols to be THIS fucking retarded.

>>511397803
>heat
>matching images
One's a question of the wavelength of radiation your sensor is similar to - you mean infrared. There's near and far infrared and so on...
>matching images
You can "image" things in many different ways. You don't even have to use radiation - you can use sound, although that's not applicable here. "Matching images" - I think you mean using computer vision - is very broadly applicable; it's a separate matter from the sensors themselves.

>>511397967
There's plenty of single-seat fighters. I'm just thinking (I've never played e.g. World of Tanks, but I have played GHPC) of my experience playing tank games - it's a lot easier to do hull-down tactics well if you can simultaneously aim and steer. Bear in mind that you might not have to do that much aiming; it could be automated pretty easily - just designate a target and let the fire control system take care of the rest.

>Maybe this is scope creep, but it would be nice if this machine could use its missiles to hit ground targets and not just provide an air defense "bubble" only.
You'll find I mention this in the post you quote.

>57mm cannons
This happens to be an old Russian/Soviet caliber. I mention it partly for this reason, and partly also because you can fit more electronics in a bigger shell.

>>511397896
I see the dinstinction you are making and I agree.
There is nothing inherently "Soviet" or "Russian" about treating your men as "пyшeчнoe мяco".
>>511397828
That was a wrong reply, but I'm happy for your answer.
Radar is a good point, especially with how easy it should be to identify targets against the backdrop of the ocean.
What I'm thinking of are two cases:
- If I fire one missile against a group of ships, how can I tell the missile to target the most valuable one? Seems to me it would just target whatever it "sees" first.
- If I fire a salvo of missiles against a group of ships then how do I avoid multiple missiles targeting the same ship? I doubt there's any communication BETWEEN the missiles... even the modern variants... where onboard computers would coordinate the most effective attack against a group.

>>511395787
>I'm surprised to even see headstones. I figured jeets would just burn their bodies or something.
There are no hard rules in Hinduism. Everything from burial of the dead to people worshipping Trump is "allowed" because there's no central authority, book or deity. It's possible that people buried a portion of the ashes of soldiers under the headstones with their comrades.

>>511395529
maybe. maybe not. top floors can be used to house radars, jammers, observation posts, and similar.

>>511397166
like all of them
russia hasn''t achieved a single kotel in all these years

https://archive.is/aHnvH

>>511395948
Who doesn't.

>>511398160
If you're talking about something like a modern anti-ship missile - I'll talk about how anti-ship ballistic missiles or something more exotic might do it some other night - you have to have a good idea of where to aim to begin with. These missiles have only so much endurance, and warships are pretty fast; they can displace if they have early warning, and just a few kilometers can make a big difference.

What anti-ship missiles do in general is they follow a pre-programmed course - maybe they fly from waypoint to waypoint under inertial guidance, which has been easy to arrange for decades - until they arrive in the vicinity of the target. At that point, they switch their radars on; they're said to "go active," I think, and there's some brevity code for it. Air-to-air missiles are said to go "mad dog," but I think the term for anti-ship missiles is different.

Anyway, the missile will fly along with its radar active for a certain distance; it might attack the first good radar return it gets, but more sophisticated behaviors are possible; you see, a target like a ship creates a fairly complex radar return, because it's a complex object; it's possible (and I think it's been possible for many years) to program the missile to recognize a particular target, or at least to attack a target of a certain size. Of course, there's also techniques to blind or deceive radars; ECM is its own subject.

If nothing's found after flying a certain distance, the missile can fly back and forth until it finds something suitable or its fuel runs out.

>>511398171
>get russian tv before russians arrive
kek

>>511398446
Correction - the brevity code is "pitbull," (lel) and not "mad dog."

>>511395948
Aren’t they like half makeup? You don’t know a woman until you’ve seen them without makeup

>>511398147
>matching images
I was thinking of tech used in Javelins, but turns out I was misremembering. Javelins do not match photos of a tank but they match/track to the heat signature of a tank. So we are back to IR.

I think I see your point when it comes to our "assault MLRS". I keep thinking of "who will provide target coordinates/location to guided missiles?" but if this is done by laser designation carried by infantry or drones that are flown by operators as part of assault then launching a missile becomes as easy as pressing a button to get signal data and then another button to select correct missile.

personally I would still want a "buddy" in the machine with me unless reducing things to a single human would somehow drastically reduce size/weight of the machine or increase occupant survivability.

Man, this "asault is a VERY cool idea. TOS-1 is already very cool, but imagine that with double the missiles (because of reduced size) or just slap the new evolution of Pantsir on top of this armored chasis.... Subarashi!

>>511398300
name one

>>511395279
Has Dnipro ever been hit that hard before?

>>511396291
Thanks for dumping these, never see bombing footage otherwise

>>511398605
The vehicles I'm describing would be *tanks,* and so they'd be perfectly capable of getting close enough to danger for direct fire. Of course, nothing would prevent them from conducting indirect fire as well, esp. with the help of observation drones. In that case, you wouldn't necessarily need a laser designator - you need something with the capability to home in on reflected laser light anyway - as you could just "shoot at/from the map" with good results.

>>511398446
I appreciate that you enjoy giving thought-out answers to dumb questions :)
You make a good point that it's never a good idea to turn on radar right away because this can be easily used to quickly determine that a missile is in the air. I didn't think of a missile being able to classify radar returns by size/complexity, but that's a feature I can see would be easy to implement in the guidance module even decades ago.

Speaking of decoys, I am sure you know of the ALE-55 system for F-35s. I was really surprised to find out that something like that was enough to fool anti air missiles, but that's just my ignorance. The technology is cool!

>pitbull
jej

>>511397518
This is the real sleeper hit of the season. 3.8km and hundreds of square km of Ukraine-held territory East of Kupyansk on the Oskol is encircled and cut off. I bet this collapses before Pokrovsk does.

>>511398696
Yes but not recently and not with this many Iskanders

>>511398217
Wait, dis nigga is dead?

Civilians are adopting to the increased drone threat. A sad sight.

>>511398925
>AN/ALE-55
Towed decoys are nothing new; they were widely used in 1999 over Serbia, for example. A lot of American aircraft (I think it was only the USAF that operated over Serbia) were saved from destruction by SAM hits only by their towed decoys, actually.

That's a big story in and of itself, because it means that the Serbian PVO was able to (as is well known) keep operating and to get many, many shots off at USAF aircraft - I think they hit dozens of decoys.

>>511399083
>Wait, dis nigga is dead?
died of grief when Trump got covid. Not even kidding.

>>511398969
time to die volksturm

>>511398844
TOS-1 is built on a T-72 or T-90 chassis. I understand you're referring to having an "intermediary size" cannon though (bigger than Bradley 25mm/BMPT 30mm but smaller than an MBT).
Personally I wouldn't mind just having 48 rail missiles of various types (ground-to-air, ground-to-ground fragmentation, etc) and a remote controlled DShK (because why would you ever say "no" to one of those).

I think BMPTs are closest real thing we have to what you imagine.. they just have smaller (dual) guns and fewer missiles.
Very cool vehicle.
UralVagonZavod engineers should be proud!

>>511398969
it already collapsed years ago and russian orderly abandoned those areas in 2022 iirc and now are wasting cannon fodder again trying to get lands they didnt even need pajeet

>>511399118
I hope the same fate awaits ventinigger

>>511397574
>Not arguing, but how would missiles identify enemy ships? Heat or matching images?
Radar and radio. Here is the old system that I am familiar with: one missile is declared leader and flies high. It searches with its onboard radar and directs the other missiles, telling them where to go and assigning targets that it picks out from the radar signatures it spots. Should tge leader missile be destroyed, another is assigned as leader and does the same job. They are all the same and because this was half a century ago they have computers the size of a large fridge.
Thus was all hardwired, new missikes with new computers have way less limitations in that regard.

>>511399083
>>511399118
I think he's an absolute nutter but no Hindu can say he's not one of us. It's the most libertarian "religion" in existence. If Hindus can eat beef and bury their dead and believe in no god or a million gods, this guy doing this is like, ok whatever.

>>511399165
I'm not that attached to any particular caliber for the gun armament, but you do need some kind of autocannon - this kind of main armament does come with some disadvantages, and one of them is probably a longer minimum range/larger dead zone than tank guns.

>BMPT
Yes, or the 2K22 Tunguska. The main difference is that you have to have some way to reload the launch rails from a large magazine in the hull, but there's some precedent for that as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZTsf2tc6RM
One possibility is just to mount *robot arms* to reload the launch rails.

>>511399234
Why would I grieve if Venti gets covid?

>>511399219
emotional attacks on the internet wont stop THD or make you a woman

do you have a 3D gf /chug/?

No rest for the wicked, it seems.

>>511399219

>>511398969
Oskal bridge status??????
I started to check and even on gmaps sattelite data it's not looking good, sisters...
>>511398217
Coming from a Christian background I am very puzzled and even uncomfortable with how free-form Hinduism is, but I understand no Hindu has ever worried about my opinion so

>>511399405
>do you have a 3D gf /chug/?
What's it fucking look like

>>511399165
>I think BMPTs are closest real thing we have to what you imagine.. they just have smaller (dual) guns and fewer missiles.
I love the idea of BMPTs, an infantry support vehicle that brings missiles, autocannons, grenade launchers and mortars to bear to support assaults is great news for any infantry squad. Unfortunately drone warfare has made it a little obsolete, especially since chink carts are much more of a gamechanger since they give the speed needed to outpace FPVs and anti infantry drones. Still, airburst 23-4 guns should be somewhat useful against drones and as fire support.

>>511398969
>Freikorps
Why are hohols so pathetic?

>>511398217
>>511399457
So far as I'm concerned, Hindus can do as they please - just so long as they do it far away from me.

Another fake peremoga
https://files.catbox.moe/a4jqla.mp4

>>511399219
>it already collapsed years ago and russian orderly abandoned those areas in 2022 iirc and now are wasting cannon fodder again trying to get lands they didnt even need pajeet
Ukrainians and Russians may be brothers but their approaches to war and politics couldn't be more different. In Russia you see Putin giving his generals great freedom to retreat from disadvantageous positions even if it comes at great political cost - Kherson, Kharkov outskirts - and in Ukraine you have the rank amateur Zelensky ordering his army that was *withdrawing* from Bakhmut to reverse and hold their ground until the last man, all because Prigozhin goaded him on video and he couldn't resist.
This crippled their 2023 offensive and the idiots even went so far as to divide their forces between Zapo and retaking Bakhmut. And then there was the Krynki idiocy. And the "until the last man" holds of Marinka, Avdeevka, Ugledar etc etc.

>>511399628
So the drone missed after all?

>>511399376
and why would i care?
two dumbest monkeys in east europe are disposing of each other
sound great for rest of us

>>511399529
No ground vehicle - barring rocket sleds or world-record rocket cars and the like - can outrun a drone.

What chink trucks actually - and for that matter, motorcycles - actually let you do (besides carrying much heavier burdens than can be borne on the shoulders of man) is to let you more rapidly deploy and concentrate forces; you can keep everyone dispersed and then, using the speed of these vehicles, rapidly concentrate your forces to achieve local numerical superiority.

>>511399358
I thought the video you linked was a joke but then I realized that yeah, it's supposed to drop the spent tube missile container after firing...
My reload system is much simpler. If you run out of max 48 missiles then gunner gets out, runs to back of vehicle, retrieves new missiles from blowout container (they are small so each one is easily lifted by a man) and starts slamming them onto rails.
EZPZ. No need for complex reloading mechanism that might fail.

>2K22 Tunguska
Zamn, that thing looks fatter than Rem-contractor's sister. I forgot it even exists. Gonna try to find some videos of it in action.

>>511399660
>11.65km
I wonder how many troops Syrsky sent into that cauldron

>>511399695
cos your coalition been crushed in ukranny and you enslaving yourself to zog got exactly rewards you deserved but not ones you have hoped for

>>511393646
what the fuck are the cambis even doing this isnt even comparable to any current war ladyboys outgun them infinite-to-one

>>511399733
Here's another video - I only offer it as an example, but there's some images of mechanized reloading from hull storage at about the three-minute mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-4nNOmGdw0
You might reload the *magazine* from, say, a resupply vehicle manually, but for a variety of reasons I think you don't want too many tubes/launch rails on the turret, esp. since the rockets/missiles in question shall be fairly large individually - they have to be, since I have something with a lot of impulse and a fairly big payload in mind.

>>511398969
>>511399457
Grushevka to the south-west of Kupyansk is only major supply route and that's already about 10km away from Russian positions to the north so well within fiber drone range. Once Kupyansk is gone they can go towards Chuguev and that creates a huge undefensible with Volchansk.

>>511399660
so both retreat and dying again for same piece of land were in fact huge victory for russia?

>>511399529
>obsolete
There is always a game of "offense/defense" when it comes to armor. Remember emergency of first RPGs and then MANPADs? And how fucked armor was?
But engineers did not give up and they innovated and gave us composite armor and ERA. Later they tried to give "Active Defense Systems", but these are not rolled out yet. Same will happen for drones. Now drones have advantage unless you are rolling fat like Tsar Mangal.
So engineers back at work thinking of good defense tools. This will always be the cycle. That's my point. I am not worried about tanks leaving the battlefield any time this century. They are much too powerful and valuable when used well.
>>511399889
I looked across entire Oskol divide of that pussy. Possible to cross by infantry if not winter because much of it is swampy, but any kind of organized retreat without bridges? Forget it.
Russians don't even have to try hard with this pocket. If Ukrainians do not pull out in time they will die like lemmings sandwiched against Oskol.

>>511399760
hmm i dont know about that
seems like you are still stuck in donbass and looks like its still another couple years of you killing each other in front of us

>>511399457
>Coming from a Christian background I am very puzzled and even uncomfortable with how free-form Hinduism is, but I understand no Hindu has ever worried about my opinion so
One of the reasons I despise the current government is that its trying to make Hinduism into something that looks like an Abrahamic faith. It's not even a religion that has any concept of people converting to Hinduism. It just is. You declare you are a Hindu and no one should be able to say no. And no Hindu cares or should care if other Hindus worship at churches or mosques and millions of Hindus do. That's why I don't think it's a religion in the Abrahamic sense. It just is.
Picrel, if you know what to look for, you can clearly see that the lady in the front in the red and black sweater is a North Indian Hindu praying in a church.

>>511400048
"Hindu" and "Indian" used to be used synonymously/interchangeably; "Hinduism" is more the state/condition of being Indian than anything else.

FPV drones started hitting TCC buildings in Kharkov

>>511399733
>fatter than Rem-contractor's sister
You have a problem with that?

>>511399930
Yeah kursk batlle was a total defeat for ussr in 1943. They retreated and died for a land what was lost in 1941. Total losers omg

>>511399092
Wow, that's a really good idea. Entering a car with poor AC that was sitting out in the sun for a few hours feels awful.

>>511399930
>so both retreat and dying again for same piece of land were in fact huge victory for russia?
You're fighting strawmen and crowing about victory. I remember well how the retreat from Kherson was framed. It was a bitter decision by Surovikin but the correct one. No one said the withdrawal from Kherson was a victory and it surprised everyone, Ukraine included, which memoryholes what it said then and claims it was a great victory.

>>511400134
If that isn't video feed from a Geran I doubt it does much

>>511400035
I reccomend to listen to admissions by rutte and nato gatherings in general, they will shatter whatever you imagining in your head real hard. but lets not pretend that your are some honest good actor, you are a vile tranny and after all you never wanted zog to win anyway.

>Kremennaya - Kremensky Forests
>Russian Armed Forces servicemen are raising the flag on the building of the "Ugolёk" tourist base and establishing confident control over the territories in the southern part of the Serebryansky forestry.

>>511400148
Not at all!!

>>511399996
Yeah, the Kupyansk is more or less done, Russia is just taking time to minimize casualties. But once it's taken there's a dilemma, they can press towards Burluk,, Chuguev or Balakleya. That can tell us a lot about how they planned for that area

>>511393646
>>now fear my government cuckout
Why fear? It's pretty much guaranteed if this pos is still in power

>>511400148
Has she at least sent you some spicy pics yet? Or is she still softly implying that you should not molest her?

>>511400296
another encirclement
uhh-ohh

>>511395457
>The Hidden Reasons
apparently not hidden very well if some random retard on internet knows them
jesus christ, I'm staring to think that blocking UK from internet is best thing labour could have done
we need state mandated always online ID for normies to watch jewtube at this point, anything that keeps them of intertubes

>>511400318
Here are some of my scribbles. Two pockets of interest and color coded MSRs I would want to intercept. In short, just finishing Kupyansk alone is not enough I think. Russia would have to make some movements in other major directions to create new pockets that can be slowly "choked out".
Obviously I don't pretend to know better than MORF with this.
>>511400499
But F-16s???

Pls don’t make me make a telegram guys
Be good Kremlin trolls and post Pokrovsk videos, I’ll be home in like 3 hours
I did not expect to wake up to such a massive breach to the point the center has fighting

>We are so back!

>I went through the pain of actually watching this video fully for you guys.

>His main points boiled down are pretty much that Crimea doesn't have the same importance to Russia anymore because of Ukraine's abilities to strike it, and that once Russia's economy and military collapses and Ukraine retakes all its territory, Ukraine will lay siege to Crimea and Russian soldiers won't want to fight for Russia anymore.

>Oh, and then he gives a lecture about how we should be "thinking critically about every aspect of this war" and not accept "forced narratives that seem to make sense at face value".

LOLOL.... still dreaming of recapturing Crimea... sad

>>511400296
Russia finally overcame its fear of entering forests after being traumatized by Rambo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcZ5TiogXMU

>>511400318
Regardless, I am looking forward to visiting Kharkov as a Russian city in my future.
>>511400220
This war taught me that I can never be a good commander (not that I had ambitions before). I would worry about the lives of my men too much.

>>511400707
pedokraut why are you in the states waking up at midnight
also how you are so fucking retarded that you havent realised that copemaps lie
those advances might have happened over the week but we only got conformation today so copemapers had to roll back weeks of cope.

>>511400802
Did you just fucking call me pedokraut

>>511400741
funny how amerimutts made a propaganda movie glorifying littleboy fucking heroin addicted jihadis but then its pretty much on brand for you these days, only difference is you worship jews instead of goats

hyhyls are advancing backwards again... LOLOL

Bebo posted this without attribution

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1948988747984335277

Goku trapped in the exercise machine with the gravity machine gone haywire and the magnetic storm raging outside!!!! Vegeta found Krillin but Zarbon found Vegeta and the 2 are about to make batlle!!!! I CAN'T HANDLE IT!!!! My heart can't take this much!!!!!!!

>>511400858
Rambo III sucked though

>>511400852
ok you used his signature image I have to appologize. now you been called worse than nigger enjoy.

>>511400721
>>>
There is a point where the delusion is so high, that it stops being just funny, it is also sad.

>>511400048
>It just is.
I like the sound of that.
I know this'll sound offensive, but I keep thinking of India as a big pussy. No one can conquer it. They might send their men and "win", but in the end the country and culture will just absorb them and become India again.
>>511400721
This insane delusion that Russia's economy will collapse in "two more weeks" in maddening.
As if Kremlin would allow it. Moscow would grit its teeth and organize lines for free bread if it was bad enough. Russians have eaten way more shit than what's on the plate with this war.
Honestly, I think some of them are even hoping that things would get worse internally in some kind of dommer messianic or masochistic complex.
>Pyccкий yм - зaгaдкa

>>511400896
>>511400864
>fucked cars everywhere
>not even holding the outskirts
man, they really must be very short on manpower

>>511400975
All of them did, with a sole exception of the first one.

>>511400896
Someday, I want to see a calm and cozy dashcam video of an hour's drive along a road of death - there'd be burnt-out hohol vehicle after hohol vehicle lining the roadside, and you'd have the men in the vehicle making conversation the whole time.

>>511400980
and its a tragicomedy for those who do both

>>511400976
His signature image is a fucking ai nagatoro in pajamas that’s sickly
I’m distraught, I’m traumatized
How could you do this!?
This is worst than you niggers calling my wife a nigger or calling me a male PROSITUTE!!!

>>511400168
you mean the one with 700 000 combatant casualties on your side?
you russians love dying in gruesome ways dont you?
>>511400220
of course it wasnt a victory
now you have to die en masse again to gain the same piece of irrelevant land
but it sure was nice to pretend that you like advancing in opposite direction(orderly of course)
>>511400252
you mean the 5+% of gdp for military campaign?
chinks win every single war simulation against USA so why dont they just take it?
pic rel

>>511401050
Closest things we had to that were the long drone videos from Kursk I think.
Footage would be great for an updated video of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjdn2JYZhD8

>>511399889
>Once Kupyansk is gone they can go towards Chuguev and that creates a huge undefensible with Volchansk.
Absolutely. I wish I had saved that pic of the billboard in Kharkov that said it would forever be Russian. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

>511401123
>picrel
Zoom out and show what happened to *all the other territory on the mainland,* you pshek nigger.

>>511400996
They either pulled back to those lines that forfeit Kramatorsk or deserted no other way to explain it.

>>511400593
>Has she at least sent you some spicy pics yet?
Nope.
>Or is she still softly implying that you should not molest her?
She doesn't really resist as you know what i mean(still only boobgrabing and frenchkisses)
Idk potentially in october i can make something more

>>511401029
>All of them did,
How fucking dare yo....
>sole exception of the first one
Oh ok carry on.

You should watch Deer Hunter. No action. Just Robert De Niro, Vietnam PTSD, Russian Roulette, depression and suicide.

So very Russian... in a way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deer_Hunter

But anyway - good night, /chug/.

>>511401061
trickshot with flying below the net, training's paying off

Green Gay captured

>>511401249
Good night, anon! Always good talking with you!

>>511401029
Rambo 2 was kino not least because it portrayed both the Soviets and the Americans as bad guys

>>511401095
It's okay, you are the favorite resident nigger-loving manwhore.
>>511401249
GN fren.

>>511400996
another bait operation was successfully accomplished!!

>>511401095
he probably stole yours hes easy to recognize

>>511400721
>Warburg
Any relation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_family

>>511401206
good luck with that but im still on the opinion that you should just get a normal gf, maybe stop taking 'roids for a month before you go too far (but not too soon)

>>511401193
yea but why cant they take this small island surrounded by their coast from 3 sides and huge distance from taiwan itself
they tried already 3 times and now they keep winning military simulations
but we all know those simulations are only to motivate the higher military spendings and chinks know best their military is shit
same as rutte jewing some extra shekels for extra nato military spendings knowing you ride golf carts and electric scooters into combat while scraping the bottom of the barrel

>>511401290
i see videos like this from Russia and from chinks
America-bros...
>we're not ready
>>511401337
>after months of bleeding the Russians
Of shells and drones to hunt sitting ducks maybe.
I wonder if David D has ever experienced smell of rotting body. I only of rotting animal carcass. It's weird smell that sticks and coats all inside of your lungs. You want to swallow shower head and wash yourself form inside out afterwards.

>>511400676
Borovaya kotel is currently stopped by the small river around Kaprovka, i don't think there have been any reports about them crossing it still. The area is also close to Izyom, Liman and Slavyansk so it could be better defended. It will happen but there's no movement here.
Now the Burluk is interesting because to the North East supply line is basically cut, so supplies have to go over Stari Saltov or through Pechengi. If Russia goes towards Pechengi that means they want to clean up that entire area. But if they don't head directly there but say go for Schevchenko that means they're ok with Ukraine pouring in support and supplies in the area.
Just saying

>>511400996
they literally produced such gems are "brigade failed to hold tertritory cos it run out of infantry".

>>511400865
>Bebo posted this without attribution
Posted what, the pic of Brittany?

>>511401488
Yes.

>>511401337
i 'member some british shitrag writing about how this was some bong generals doing and they trained like 50k highly motivated volunteers for it...

https://files.catbox.moe/4x312a.mp4

>>511393646
гo нa cвo

>>511401454
>i see videos like this from Russia and from chinks
>America-bros...
>>we're not ready
Eh, I feel like the quadcopter pilot stage of drone warfare will be very short lived. I'd expect this to be fully automated in less than a decade. It's possible even right now, but the chips necessary are too expensive and not available in the required numbers.

>>511401470
Yeah, always hilarious to read such copes. Last one I saw was "lost positions due to infantry problems"s. What infantry problems, that they're all dead?

>>511401123
>of course it wasnt a victory
>now you have to die en masse again to gain the same piece of irrelevant land
>but it sure was nice to pretend that you like advancing in opposite direction(orderly of course)
Land? You think this is about land? Imagining Russia is thirsty for land is like imagining Saudi Arabia is thirsty for sand. This isn't about land, anon. This is about the ability of Ukraine to ever pose a threat to Russia. As Russia's peace offerings have been spurned, every step the terms have grown harsher and harsher. The cities and towns are merely places where revenue and military potential can coalesce, be built up improved. To that end, Russia will both withdraw from and take land to preserve its own military potential and deny Ukraine the same. Ukraine, like a country led by a PR-obsessed novice and funded by distant warmongers that it is, doesn't withdraw to preserve its own military potential and every day its ability to deny Russia military potential drops.
this is why there are so many bold salients into Ukrainian territory. Gerasimov taunts Syrski. "Here, Sasha, here's my 3km x 7km salient into your territory. You'd like to cut it off, right? Go ahead, see if you can scrounge up more conscripts to take on my battle-hardened spearhead that's buried in you. Go on. Do it if you can"
And he can't. It's as intimate a dance as the knife fight to the death we all saw.

>>511401537
decently sized secondary explosion, ammo dump I guess?

>>511401123
kek, seeth nigger

>>511401468
Agree with your view.
There is also smaller pocket with Kolodeznoe where I zoomed out too much to see roads.
It took me a while but I finally understood Russian approach. Why break teeth on hard targets?
Cut roads like cutting veins and eventually those targets will bleed out. At worst they'll be much softer to take and at best you will move in like Russia's storm of Avdiivka.
I think even here people forgot how much shaping took place over many months, but how quickly the city fell once the final order was given.
>It was a complete and total disaster for the enemy

But all that is just my noise. I already said elsewhere: I am looking forward to visiting Russian city of Kharkov this decade.

>>511401645
Yes

>>511401617
I have my doubts. Image recognition is easy, but IFF? Not so easy. I don't see Russia trusting small scale autonomous systems any time soon.
See videos of Russian stormers using FPV drones as "smart grenades". Toss into air and fly a few meters around the corner to slam into enemy dugout. Then the rest of your squad immediately pushes in.

>>511401645
Nah, clearly a childrens hospital

>>511401838
IFF should be easier than for air defense systems. They also don't have to be fully autonomous, you probably would go with at least the option for main in the loop guidance.

>>511400721
>>not accept "forced narratives that seem to make sense at face value".
>450k botted views are not 'forcing' any state propaganda narratives
I've seen this by the shills lately. Ukraine is not losing harder, it is the Lakhta bots making everyone think so! And we smol bean heckin brave uwu info warriors have to unsubvert the masses! We are the free thinking minority etc etc lol

>>511401206
>frenchkisses his sister, nothing serious
Mate, you're one innuendo from rawdogging her

>>511401644
>December 4, 2023
>Green marines that cant swim
That moment when you can get refences to actual places even without articles mentioning them by name at this point.

>>511401436
He's not taking roids though, plus I fail to see the connection with sisterfucking

>>511401644
hes a transvestite which is blatantly lying why are you taking him seriously. hes trying to pretend that nato had been competely crushed in a coalition war of many countries against single russia (with some nork help) which is undeniable factual reality cross confirmed by everyone, including us gov and nato heads and both of them moving together. just call him a tranny.

>2S38_BMP-3_PVO
How come you guys never told me about Derivatsiya? It seems pretty modern. I feel like Russia is not even using half of its cool shit.
What the fuck??
>I miss BMPT so much....

>>511401959
IFF between meat bags is what I am thinking about. Between armor? That's not as bad.

>>511401644
>This is about the ability of Ukraine to ever pose a threat to Russia.
so shouldnt you be advancing from the sumy region?
the one thats closest to moscow?
btw ukraine never threatened russia with invasion prior to getting invaded
>>511401674
powstanie warszawskie costed us less than half of your kursk casulaties and we consider it a huge tragedy
you consider 3.5 times more casualties as success
this i cant understand but i guess its just a difference between europe and asia

Unrelated but skatepark pedo seems very uppity tonight, probably got beat up again for selling drugs kek.
>>511399660
Interesting stuff

>>511401308
I’m going to go take my meds
How ya been mexibro

>>511402133
>bragging about victories from 1920s
>meanwhile Poland was Russia's dog for 45 years
Grim

>>511402104
There's like half a dozen of those things, it's not relevant for the conflict.
>IFF between meat bags is what I am thinking about. Between armor? That's not as bad.
Just glue a QR code to their helmets or something, this honestly doesn't feel like a tough problem to solve compared to everything else. With further digitalization of warfare you'd have good mapping of where your forces are anyways, so feeding that back to attac k drones shouldn't be hard.

Happy caturday

>>511402104
That looks overcomplicated and has its optics way too exposed. And what's that cannonlet gon do against an actual tank?

>>511402103
sounds like a cope

>>511402133
>le wikipedian 10 gazillion russhits killed by one finnish sniper peremoha

>>511402104
most of the cool shit is either in testing, development freezed or it's some prototype...Russian MIC and government is notorious for claiming incomplete projects or proposed projects with a prototype are actual deployed weapons

>>511402232
KOT!

>>511402233
>BMP-3 chassis
>PVO role
It's not meant to go up against tanks, anon
>>511402231
On the contrary that problem is incredibly hard to solve given how dynamic combat is.
Are you a software engineer by chance? Your hand waving this problem away reminds me of some of them.

>>511398969
>"Freikorps"
What a bunch of retarded pigs, I fucking can't anymore with those ukrainiggers, THD.

>>511402223
he started talking about old days mongol
and now you dont have land lease anymore so your military conquest deteriorated
even hoholand is a problem

>>511402258
you have no cards, transvestite

>>511402133

>>511402223
its even worse now because poland is a zog slave but they again bet on a wrong side

>>511401337
Ukrainians are once again fucking Russian dicks with their asses

>>511402345
My "old days" are fresher than your "old days", dog.
>511402332
>Portugal flag
I know who you are, nigger.

>>511402223
more like 150 years

>>511402321
far from it you are just humoring yourself trying to cope
still didnt hear explanation why you consider 700 000 military casualties alone as success
its wild
>>511402347
is that why you are trying to convince people to ignore me instead of looking at my lack of arguments and pointing out my stupidity?

>>511402089
he is
>the connection
it makes him retarded and horny

>>511402205
>I’m going to go take my meds
So what are the meds for jungle fever? Ivermectin?

>>511402357
you mean the guy who has monuments, towns, public squares and streets named after him IN RUSSIA
but 0 in Poland?
you guys sure are mentally ill
btw didnt lenin give your lands to hohols you hate so much?
why do you keep building monuments to him?

>>511402333
kot

нy дa я, вoпpocы?

>>511402569
I thought you denied being fat

>>511402428
do you have any arguments or are you just going to impotently seethe?

>>511402468
>eu budget
meanwhile germany built factories here that pay no rent, utilities are covered by us and we provide minimal wage workers to pump out german shit with no tariffs or taxes
Fucking fritz are making 100 times more shekels than what they give, eu is a scam

>>511402529
Anti psychotics, Adderal, Prozac

>>511402569
>wannabe German
you're not German hohol

>>511401679
>Why break teeth on hard targets?
That's the neat part, they absolutely could do that too, look at Mariupol or ZNPP operations as an example of how it went. But they're not doing it because it wouldn't align with the strategy and geopolitics.
They realized Ukraine smo turned into a proxy war where nato wants to destroy them. A brutal war where you deplete your resources plays into that. So Russia moves to an attritional mode strategically and we see how they operationally align with that, like you said why go for the hardpoints directly.
And we also have to remember some of those areas were being fortified since 2014, and that's on top of older soviet infrastructure from before.

>>511401899
jews would get the message soon and make their bombs explode twice, so that they can pretend there is a secondary explosion

then blame Russians of using the double-explosion ammunition

>>511402477
He does that because, unfortunately, pointing out your lack of arguments and overall stupidity does not deter you from shitting up these threads.
>>511402599
Why would I seethe over a country like Poland?

>Russian Armed Forces servicemen raise the flags in the settlement of Malievka, Dnepropetrovsk region

damn ukranny is getting absolutely roasted lmaoooo

>>511402334
Still overcomplicated and has the optics too exposed. It can be blinded quickly using an anti-material rifle or RPG.
It's not against what you send it, it's the unforeseen elements that get you. Just looks like a bad design to me.

>>511402598
ahem
PURE MUSCLE ARYAN BEAST
OF PRUSSIAN ETHNICITY

>>511402569
няшкa)))
>>511402089
IIRC he's taking steroidal medication, not actual injections of tren. The latter would be wasted without a program of resistance training.
>sister
He's coping with stress of his deployment. That's the nicest thing I will say on the situation.

>>511402556

>>511402477
>well actually russian victory in ww2 wasnt actuallty a victory because muh casualties. Therefore poland was a totally inderpendent nation with no russian presence postwar and zero beef on russia whatsoever

>>511402632
>Anti psychotics, Adderal, Prozac
Add antivirals for herpes and this is Juden Peterstein's daughter's list of meds

>>511402477
I gave you not my arguments, but vertifiable reality, trannoid and you denied it outright. subhuman.

BAKING
>BAKING
BAKING
>BAKING

>>511402721
I don't think you account how many modern armor have """le exposed""" optics because they need camera feeds and precise laser targeting for smart shells/missiles located on the hull.
This is not an argument. There are always fallback systems.

>>511402198
He showed up all uppity on the shill bake.

>>511402769
stop downtalking the pole, he will be an amazing toilet cleaner one day

>>511402769
He's a short and fat jeet. I think you're that churka that got raped by his brother so bad that he turned into a woman and joined NAFO because you reply to the NAFO jeet.

>>511402668
where is a single of your arguments you mindless monkey
>Why would I seethe over a country like Poland?
pic rel for example
russia is provably a shithole compared to Poland

>>511402739
>IIRC he's taking steroidal medication, not actual injections of tren
"Steroidal medication" would presumably mean anti-inflammatory corticosteroids like dexamethasone. He's definitely not doing that.
>The latter would be wasted without a program of resistance training
This isn't true (roiding without training gives better results than any amount of training without roiding) but he's also acting as a lumberjack now.

I am free from phoneposter hell.

>>511402233
That's an air defense system. Much like the BMPT, T14 and T15, it will never see real production will forever remain one of those niche weapons that they made a few of and then forgot about.

>>511402762
Fug you
I am clean on STDs
I’m so clean you could call me the gold ship of sex

BAKE DONE >>511402925
>BAKE DONE >>511402925
BAKE DONE >>511402925
>BAKE DONE >>511402925

>>511395482
That doesn't deny that the shahed line is the og swarm long range drone attack type dumb cunt faggot

>>511402906
>russia is provably a shithole compared to Poland

>>511402906
lets see you denying picrel again, you are so dishonest everyone can see through you without any effort
all you trying to do is obscure statistical facts clearly shown by percentage by presenting isolating numbers
for example you have posted a tranny meanwhile while russia certainly has more troons than zero is the lowest % wise troon country on the planet
and you are a fucking jeet.

>>511403064
They are not what is being used in Russia at this time, noddle-nigger.
>>511402933
>roiding without training gives better results than any amount of training without roiding
Sure, at cost of several health indicators.
But whatever, I don't care to debate. He's old enough to sign contract and go to war; he is old enough to do drugs.

>>511402619
I agree. Still, I posted this ranking because it tends to humble those cartoonish Poles who think they're powerful warriors and the only ones who can defend EVROPA against “the Mongol horde controlled by Vladimir Shelomov.”

>>511402740
?
>>511402751
i told you we consider powstanie warszawskie(that you mentioned) a tragedy despite only 200 000 casualties and you consider your 700 000 military casualties alone a success
i cant understand such thing but its likely cultural difference between asia and europe
>>511402769
you mean talking about rutte jewing shekels for military spendings same as US keep losing military drills to china despite china knowing best they cant even take small taiwanese island surrounded by their mainland?
and then you ignored by reply and started telling people to ignore me while coping im a tranny
you cant be serious churka

>>511403137
polaks are the next ukranda, they are getting fluffed up so they go in with high morale

>>511403142

>>511402844
Cameras can be incorporated in the armor layout to keep the profile low or at least have extra protection.
To me it looks like a bad design and I'll stick to my initial opinion.

>>511403125
>At this time
Are you too thick headed to understand that's not what i was referring to (eg lancets are not the main tank killers rn either as their use declined) but rather to some of the earliest drone types that was meant for either purpose? Dumb dense mutt cunt

>>511402966
>That's an air defense system.
Really? I looked at it the wrong way then.

>>511403182
Very interesting opinion. Please write to Kurganmashzavod R&D division as soon as possible! They would greatly appreciate your inputs as soon as you have time!!!
>>511403180
If these guys are Polish then I am German... Kind of a reach with these mutts, no?

>>511403114
why do you think 20% more HIV PER TEST makes up for your 2600% more HIV RATES you churka retard of the steppes?
>and you are a fucking jeet.
lmao of course fire up the cope train subhuman

>>511403290
>If these guys are Polish then I am German... Kind of a reach with these mutts, no?
of course
not real polacks

>>511403105
>>511403180
lmao what polish surnames you churka retard

>>511403354
lmao
mindless monkey

>>511403408

>>511403273
>at this time
You were referring back to first half of 2022?
That is news to me.
Keep sneeding, pasta-tranny.

>>511403496
>reported in the daily mail
lmao

>>511402468
I'm a gibs god

>>511403556
I was referring to what types of drones were first use both to decimate armour and exhaust AD in swarms, not to what is being used exactly in 2025 or what will be used in 2027 if Ukraine is still around
Why are you mutts so subhumanly stupid and cover up this stupidity with more aggressive idiocy

>>511403653
> daily mail lies
no way

>>511399695
study english just a bit more and you'll manage to achieve your lifelong dream of escaping poland, shill

>>511403789
you lie you mindless monkey
>>511404165
lmao cope more churka

>>511404332
why would I lie?