Why don't White people believe in this anymore?

>>511406862 (OP)
horrid attempt, anon.
world's largest religion and it only keeps growing since it's objective truth.
christ is king.
we won.
sit back and enjoy the ride.

>>511406862 (OP)
"New Atheists" (aka Jews) convinced us we'd be happier and more rational if they believed in nothing and just invented our own values LMAO

>>511407263
Which version of it is the true one?

>>511407263
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>511407538
>just invented our own values LMAO
Which is what has been done since the beginning

>>511406862 (OP)
my family just never were religious, we lost touch with our faith generations ago and i don’t know how to start believing when i’ve never believed in anything of the sort. and i don’t know if i’d be anglican, protestant or catholic. catholic seems like the ‘right’ one but anglican is the main sect in the uk soooo not sure

because women are whores

>>511407263
>world's largest religion and it only keeps growing since
When have the masses been right about ANYTHING? If this is not a red flag for you, I don't know what is. You're in the same tier of cancer hyperspreading as Islam, communism, hypercapitalism, and reddit.

>no real unique identity
>consumed by everyone
>generic
How can you even claim to have a soul?

>>511406862 (OP)
it was a creation of man to control man. it's easier to invent a character to explain things you don't understand.

>>511406862 (OP)
Because being gay is the new thing, it's the cool thing to do these days, no one needs that medieval bigoted garbage.

>>511407961
you're controlled by your lusts and flesh anyway you braindead faggot

>>511406862 (OP)
Because now we can read and see stuff like this in there.

>>511408059
if you convince people that every word of a book is the word of an all knowing creator. and that if they don't do what it says in that book they will burn in a pit of fire for eternity, and they fully 100% get brainwashed into thinking that's what happens, I'd say you have control over anyone who believes in it. the problem with people who are brainwashed is they'll fight to defend the very system that enslaves them and their minds are held hostage, but they think they’re free.

>>511408097
I remember reading this, the whore daughters actually got him drunk and than unconscious and both daughters sleep with him, this is another great reason why the bible should be ditched, daughters feel the need to have to do this because of the oppression religious people put on others about sexual morality.
Under my world view incest would be accepted and I'm glad you agree >>511408097

>>511406862 (OP)
Because its full of kike bs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZofMX6gvBrg

>>511408928
holy shit /pol/ is becoming so based
when do u guys get on board with the gay stuff?

>>511406862 (OP)
Why did White people turn to Science for the answers and to cure disease instead of prayer?

literacy and IQ above 80 kill it

>>511408995
you go to the bog

>>511406862 (OP)
Kike subversion to lower whites' ingroup loyalty

>>511409737
wdym....

>>511406862 (OP)
i will kill the anti-christ

>>511410971
you're literally just homophobic and too far right...
politics only makes sense from a more centrist area.

>>511409958
the traditional way of disposing of urnings....

>>511407538
>>511407742
Look how well that turned out. UK and the US became more atheist and globohomo rose exponentially.

>>511406862 (OP)
>Lmao, just let kikes takeover earth and enslave your children because it all gets magically sorted out in an unverified afterlife that was described to you in books written by kikes themes!!!!!!!
Thank fuck this shit is dying out.

>>511412286
Kikes themselves**

>>511408392
>"when a sub 70 IQ tries to be clever": The Post
Your fake faggot demon god, Yahweh, is a objectively a foreskin obsessed pedophile according to your own fake fucking faggot jew slave religion and it's a fucking fact. Cry about it you literal retard lol.

>>511406862 (OP)
They found out it's fake and gay.

>>511406862 (OP)
A lot of boomers broke the chain with their children. And as well for me I can look look out at the state of organised Christianity and see it's not meant for me.

>>511407888
Find a faithful Anglican or Lutheran church in the UK. I'm LCMS Lutheran myself, but Anglicans are fairly similar.

>>511407660
Any that confesses the true faith explained by the three Ecumenical creeds.

>>511409229
Because God works providentially through people. Paul tells Timothy in 1 Timothy 5:23 to drink a little wine to cure his ailments. Christians have never been opposed to using medicine to cure sickness.

>>511413087
The faith has been coopted. Men like you need to step up and push back against nonsense in the Church.

>>511406862 (OP)
Literacy rose, people started forming their own opinions and it all unravelled. It's thriving in Africa so it'll survive there.

>>511407263
>it only keeps growing
Among nons.

>>511407538
>we
>they
>our
Non-White detected.

>>511413527
>waaaaaaaaa they're including everyone in my jew slave religion that itself professed to be the true religion for every walking talking hominid on the whole fucking planet that can say "I LUVVVVV GEEZUZZZZ"??????????
Golly gee, I wonder why that happened......

>>511407888
Checked. Have you considered a non-jewish religion instead, or are you just dead set on letting usurious parasites define your worldview?

>>511413444
Is that the same half-jewish Timothy that the jew Saul circumcised to better fit in with the rest of the jews?

>>511406862 (OP)
Christianity was the I AM doctrine veiled for the piscean age, a judeo-masonic concoction, specifically Jupiter and the Sun in Pisces. Islam was Venus in Pisces. For the aquarian age the I AM doctrine will be veiled under the guise of AI and other technological creations.

Jesus = Je suis = Jeshua = Yah Weh = Jove = Jupiter = Zeus = Deus = I AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftML6pAv7E

>>511413844
Timothy was circumcised because he was specially proselytizing Jews who wouldn't have given him the time of day otherwise.

>>511413966
Very cool. Are there any other mischlings who preach judaism to jews we should be obeying?

Jesus was a fucking pedo

>>511413686
I have no problem converting people throughout the world to the faith, but bringing in refugees is not accomplishing that goal. We should helping them build up their own countries.

>>511414022
Judaism killed Jesus. It is not the same religion as that of the old testament.

>>511414259
Like father like son. The creator of the universe just loves little boy foreskin for reasons, goy. It's not totally gay and degenerate as fucking shit, goy.....

>>511414287
>We should helping them
Very cool. How many of my childrens' resources should I be giving to racial strangers?

None of you read it.
Die!

Its a spineless doormat ideology

>>511406862 (OP)
Because it's stupid made up shit by someone who wanted political power over me

>>511411561
Christians won’t do shit.

>>511414358
The judaic religion of jews can be accurately referred to as judaism, regardless of which denomination it is, regardless of time period.
You didn't answer the question, so I'll rephrase.
Are there any other mischlings who preach the torah to jews we should be obeying?

>>511414287
You are such an disingenuous fucking faggot. What is the actual point of a border if your own "god" (the foreskin eating demon, Yahweh) teaches you that he loves the invaders outside your border just as much as he loves you? This is obviously the mental precursor for multiracial civilization. Look at any other god invented by a sane people who weren't building a deliberately self destructive slave religion. Those gods are exclusionary. You have the Marxist jew god.

>>511406862 (OP)
When I was growing up everyone was Christian.
There were NO muslims in America
America used to be a country of white people and black people assimilated and were respectful members of society.
There were no shitskins.
Definitely no Somalians.
Some Mexican folks in the west but they were quiet hardworking people.
Everything was clean nice and plentiful until Hippies and Homosexuals came along.
It was pretty much like the TV CHiPs.
Cars were made out of metal.
Women wore their underwear under their clothes.

>>511411561
Cultural Marxism exists due to christcucks letting jews run their mouth. At least Pisslam muzzles jews trying to subvert society. Christians stood by while kikes like Marx wrote the communist manifesto and wasnt mutilated afterwards.

>>511414561
Christ died for you anon.
>teaches you that he loves the invaders outside your border just as much as he loves you?
Because the God of creation wouldn't pick favorites? We are all lowly sinners to Him. You can view people as equal in worth, but in not the same in every way. Men and women are equal in worth, but obviously very different in how they behave.

>>511414635
>the christkek boomer never even noticed the jew
all according to plan

>>511414811
>ok, yes, my fake Marxist god taught me that invaders who hate me are my equal and they'll go to the same heaven as me if they also pay tribute to Yahweh the foreskin eater
>.....b-but I can still justify this border because......uhhhhhh....... different cloths in a cloak or something.......
>never mind that my jew slave religion became one of the main vectors for refugee resettlement, that was pure coincidence, my Marxist jew god with his Marxist ideology didn't do that.......

>>511414479
>The judaic religion of jews can be accurately referred to as judaism
It is the religion of all nations, as was intended from the beginning. God used the Jews to bring about His Son to die for us. Peter wrote this to the White Greeks in Asia Minor "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light."
>Are there any other mischlings who preach the torah to jews we should be obeying?
You should listen to anyone who preaches the Gospel. The truth doesn't cease to be truth based on who delivers it.

>>511414811
>the tribal god of the jews, yahweh the holocaust enthusiast, created the cosmos

>>511414635
this post does exemplify the mentality of the average christbug in these circles, just an infantile memory of a recent past that doesn't really ask itself whence those developments emerged from in the first place in his purported earthly paradise

>>511411561
With christian morals like loving immigrants

>>511413635
>big white cross on flag
>his people have been at least nominally Christian for 35 generations
>pretends Christianity isn't his cultural heritage
you're as delusional as a transexual.

>>511411561

>>511415129
Why do christmutts hate their own pre Christian ancestors just like jews do?
Coincidence?

>>511415047
>never mind that my jew slave religion became one of the main vectors for refugee resettlement, that was pure coincidence, my Marxist jew god with his Marxist ideology didn't do that.......
Yes it is totally Christianity's fault, despite the fact refugee resettlement didn't take place until after Christianity began to wane in the West, and the groups that did the resettlement were Protestant Liberals like the ELCA who literally mock God and Scripture and call the Bible racist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6wxE65g3no.

>>511415073
>It is the religion of all nations, as was intended from the beginning.
Yes, jews want you to worship their tribal god. I am aware.
>Peter wrote this to the White Greeks
Post evidence of 1 Peter exclusively addressing non-jews.
> The truth doesn't cease to be truth based on who delivers it.
Good goy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_criticism

>>511415129
Nowadays Christians only want to import brown people. They don't care about heritage.

>>511407660
Catholicism or Orthodoxy. Everything else is bullshit, which should be very obvious if you examine history

>>511415097
His people went from 12 disciples to literally taking over the Roman Empire that tried to kill them without a single battle. If that isn't the work of the true God I don't know what is. The irony of posting under a flag with a cross on it.

>>511415129
How does any of these strawmen make that anon White?

>>511415190
>you're pointing out our ancestors for 40 generations have believed in Jesus, therefore you hate all the ones that came before
>also, jeeeeeeeeeews~~!
stupid

>>511415422
>strawmen
don't use terms you don't understand.

>>511406862 (OP)
I do. Was doing my weekly reading this morning

>>511415404
which god willed the triumph of a handful of jewish marxists over the entirety of the Russian empire? it happened in even less time, truly the will of god

>>511415404
>without a single battle
Don't be a liar, it's bad for you

>>511415404
>His people went from 12 disciples to literally taking over the Roman Empire that tried to kill them without a single battle
Like ZOG in America?
>muh flag
like clockwork

>>511415490
>no answer
kek
He is not White.
You are not White.
Thanks for playing.

>>511415260
>European success all attributed to chtistkikery
>European blunders all attributed to not enough chtistkikery
*yawn*
And here i am doing the least mental gymnastics and blaming your worshiping of a Marxist jew God for Marxist jew outcomes.
Pretty shrimple tbqh

>>511415501
>which god willed the triumph of a handful of jewish marxists over the entirety of the Russian empire?
Arguably, the same one.

>>511415431
Oh so you don't hate your ancestors that resisted the teachings of Yahweh the foreskin eating Marxist demon?

>>511407538
>you don't understand! We NEED jews to tell us what's right and wrong!
Didn't know I could lose anymore respect for christcucks at this point but they keep surprising me

>>511406862 (OP)
They never did. They’re the devil disguising themselves as angels. That’s why they genocided indigenous people all over the world.

>>511406862 (OP)
About 2k years of 2 more weeks will do that to a mf

>>511414464
>No argument
Sad

>>511414651
>(((marx))) didn't have help from those who rejected Jesus
Kikes and atheists made Marxism. Gave it power and so ruined nations.

>>511415120
>morals means letting in harmful invaders like liberal globohomo preaches

>>511415274
It's the beginning of the letter

"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you."
and it's clear from the context it is addressed to Greeks. "Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy."

>>511415957
Liberal globohomo is simply a secular branch of christianity, just like christianity is an anti-temple branch of judaism.

The fact that it's thriving in brown shitholes with 80 IQ and Africa should tell you all you need to know about being theist in 2025.

>>511407263
>>511407538
real reason is that the women in the church will keep the young men from ever dating the young women and the men eventually give up. the church has nothing to offer young men beyond young women.

the church wants money that young men don't have and don't provide access to young women. /thread

>>511415957
Christianity was the original globohomo, though:
>"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

>>511416031
lmao not even a little bit
thanks for trying though
enjoy your jewish religion

>>511415957
Christkikery is Marxism 1.0.
It's literally the first religion to claim every subhuman hominid on the entire mother fucking planet and lump them together as equal.

>>511415611
That wasn't even the claim. Christianity was much stronger in 19th century Europe and prior, and yet no one was resettling africans in 1600s Europe.

>>511406862 (OP)
Because it betrayed Whites utterly.

>>511416127
No argument then

>>511415515
What military battle did the Christians fight against Pagan Rome?

>>511416259
hahahaha

>>511411561
It's the opposite. Christcucks passed the 1965 Immigration Act and the 1965 Civil Rights Act, both of which ruined America.

You had absolute power and turned over everything to jews. Now the hell state we exist in you want to blame on the symptoms rather than the cause. Doesn't work that way, sorry.

ALL of the major mass-immigration NGOs are christcucks, save HIAS.

>>511416225
>Europeans were more nationalist the further you go back in time towards their pre Christian roots
Wow, you don't say........
It's almost as if prolonged exposure to Christianity weakened us......

>>511416225
>yet no one was resettling africans in 1600s Europe.
>American flag

its gay lol

https://youtu.be/bBC1U6lq9p4?si=rIbCsdbgZ3YhuiF_

>>511416044
>it's Christianity without following the teachings, faith and practice of Christianity.

>Jesus was anti-temple
With each post you show your ignorance. Though not as funny as posting about source criticism and getting schooled when the sources is posted. >>511416031

>>511415957
>Kikes and atheists made Marxism. Gave it power and so ruined nations.
lol you dumb nigger. Replace marxism with christcuckery and the sentence still holds true.

>>511406862 (OP)
literacy rates

>>511416307
I will pray for you Dane friend. Returning to Lutheran Christianity has made my life significantly better. The same faith your people once practiced.

>>511416303
>who was constantine the great

>>511416352
American aren't Europe last I checked.

>>511416415
He's right though. The very first Christians were literally Jews who opposed the temple cult.

>>511416539
You mean the Emperor who converted without the threat of persecution?

>>511416626
Yes, the one who took power through war and legitimised the Roman BLM

>>511416415
>it's Christianity without following the teachings, faith and practice of Christianity
Yes. That's what "secular" means. It still follows the underlying morality.
>Jesus was anti-temple
I never said that. I said christianity is anti-temple judaism. Stay in class.
>posting about source criticism and getting schooled when the sources is posted.
kek
Completely unrelated concepts, and "once you were not a people" is absolutely not an obvious reference meaning "exclusively non-jewish" lmao

>>511416125
>Being one in Christ means being equal
Keep reading the book you quoted and learn there are different parts in the body of Christ with different talents and abilities.

>>511416136
>Christianity is the same as an anti-theistic philosophy

>>511416504
>return to the faith your people once practiced
Ironic.
>>511416563
>didn't get the irony
Sad.

>>511406862 (OP)
Whatta ya mean? Plenty still do. The number might go up or down, but there's still plenty.

>>511415703
>Oh so you don't hate your ancestors
no
>that resisted the teachings of Yahweh
i don't think they did.

let me tell you about my ancestors, i am a muttly admixture of celt, germanic, nordic and anglo dna.

the thing tv shows like vikings don't get right is the relation between social stratification and mythology.
the jarls and chieftains with wealth and leisure could afford to host elaborate sacrifices (blots) and invoke the gods in matters of war and diplomacy.
the karls (freemen) were largely concerned with agriculture and survival. their spiritual practices if any were more localized syncretic and practical.
thralls (slaves) had virtually no agency in religious life and were sometimes sacrificed in funerary rites to accompany their masters in the afterlife.
while human sacrifice wasn't commonplace, it did occur in ceremonial settings like uppsala, where chroniclers like adam of bremen describe the rituals like the grove hangings and drownings.

what i'm saying is statistically, your ancestors of nordic blood would've more likely have been someone who held dirt under their fingernails and hoped their local chieftain didn't get too ambitious with honoring this wotan god they knew nothing about.

the further back you go, the less "religion" as we understand it even existed for the average person. what we now call "norse paganism" was largely the curated belief system of the elite, a tool for legitimizing power, justifying wars, and reinforcing social hierarchies. the farming tilling the field or the thrall bound to a household had a much more pragmatic relationship with the supernatural, household spirits, land wights, folk charms passed down through whispers rather than the epic sagas Christians preserved for us.
Christianization didn't uproot their world, it just swapped out names. the local veneration of saints, harvest blessings and even folk magic persisted for centuries, just repackaged under new authorities.

>>511416789
>not denying the complete ideological lock step
Damn dog, it's almost as if the people designing the goy slave religion were simply just outcome oriented.......

>>511416789
>I am incapable of understanding ideological evolution
>related must mean identical!!!!

>>511414479
not quite, since judaism is a later branch of monotheistic judean tribal beliefs
abrahamicist spirituality itself the root of the big three monotheistic religions is less than 2000 years old

>>511416830
I got the irony. Our dabble in slavery was a mistake and we are paying for it.

>>511416789
>Being one in Christ means being equal
Equal in Christ. And that's the only thing that matters after all. Do you think Paul was concerned with little things such as nations or races?

>>511416874
>Europeans did not resist christianization
The results of your education system is showing obvious signs of having 13% joggers in the classroom.

>>511417056
>Europeans did not resist christianization
you were confused about what a strawman was earlier, i'm glad you figured it out now.

>>511416874
Yes, I am aware that early Christianity was flexible and took a quantity over quality approach.
Pre Christian Europeans were indeed brutal and in need of enlightenment and egalitarian reform.
But we enacted these revolutions eventually and each time they were regarded as secular revolutions.
Roman law. The French Revolution. The Enlightenment. The 3rd Reich. All secular.

>>511416947
Judaism simply refers to the religion of jews.
>less than 2000 years old
Is this some sort of vague reference to timeline revisionism?
It likely dates to around the time of the Septuagint, making it 2300 years or so old.

retard book for retard readers to retardly order other retards. too little of the population of this planet are too low IQ and have too low morality and are too embedded in their human condition so this sort or retardation is perfectly apt for them. all religion creates strife because none of them can agree that 2+2=4. fucking boring troglodyte retardation keeping everyone back from true glory and transcendance. fuck christanity, fuck islam, fuck judasim, fuck hinduism, fuck sihkism, fuck shinto, fuck buddhism. but most of all, fuck you.

>>511417056
Most of Europe was Christianized by converting the Nobility. The Baltics were the only place in Europe where military force was used.

>>511416789
>there are different parts in the body of Christ with different talents and abilities.
TOTAL PINKIE DEATH, I'M GOING TO MAKE MY TOES INTO SLAVES BECAUSE I'M BASED

>>511417011
>Do you think Paul was concerned with little things such as nations or races?
Yes. He's very clear about how special it is to be jewish, and talks about being jewish all the damn time.
It's almost like you people have never read your own holy book.

>>511417184
>Judaism simply refers to the religion of jews.
Good then Christianity is excluded because it the religion of all nations.

>>511417116
I'm not retarded enough to follow the broken pieces of your mind that you attempt to present as a causally linked chain.

>>511417184
yes and the concept of 'jew' and the codification of their beliefs into a monotheistic version actually written down don't appear till the post republic era

>>511417141
>Europeans were indeed brutal and in need of enlightenment and egalitarian reform.
You are jewish.

>>511407263
You have to go back

>>511417241
>The Baltics were the only place in Europe where military force was used.
I love it when negro-educated Americans think they're going to teach European history to Europeans.
Enjoy your goyslop religion, anon, but by Jove, please refrain from ever posting again.

>>511407263
You are like immigrant here. You have to go back.

>>511417282
The point of that passage is no one can boast. God chose us, and if we cease to have faith he will cut us off like the Jews who rejected Him. Man always seeks to credit himself for the things God has doen.

>>511417297
>Good then Christianity is excluded because it the religion of all nations.
...according to jews. Making it a religion of jews, which they succesfully spread to us, which is why it is now considered distinct from nationalist-judaism.
It is still a form of judaism, and especially so in its formative years where it was still exclusive to jews.

>>511417402
You don't think continental Europeans needed Roman law? Do you like the warlord and concubine system? Eww no thanks. But this isn't even the argument I want to have, my point was that Europeans fixed themselves without Christianity. I don't know why you need to maintain the illusion we were always perfect. We're certainly good enough for the truth in my humble opinion.

>>511417396
Not so. The septuagint, for example, is Republic era.

>>511417469
I like how instead of providing a counter example all you can do is flail insults. There is no truth working in you Dane friend.

>>511417141
>Pre Christian Europeans were indeed brutal and in need of enlightenment and egalitarian reform.
And definitely what modern Europeans need is to cleave even harder to Christianity so we can become more egalitarian and more gentle?

It's funny how often this argument is brought up for why Christianity was good to adopt and good for Whites, when it's also the perfect argument for abandoning Christianity in the modern day in favor of some more martial spirituality/ideology.

Unless it's your honest belief that the best way for Whites to survive in the future is to just be nicer.

>>511417241
Why do christcuks rely on lies and gaslighting to spread their mind cancer?

>>511417282
Where you're wrong is that you're imposing modern thinking on ancient times. Paul was the one who invented "Spiritual Judaism" i.e. Christianity for the goyim. Sorting people into "Romans" or "Africans" or whatever was not important for him.

>>511417469
he is partly right in that like all of these jewish systems operate through a much more cunning system of elite capture and downstream exploitating of hierarchies to spread, most of non-Roman Europe fell in a similar way as how the american hegemony spread, local elites act as a bridge to spread the system downwards with mostly no resistence because it comes from familiar faces and they(elites) have to gain by becoming incorporated into a system that allows them to have greater power/wealth compared to remaining isolated
their greatest victory was the march through the institutions in Rome, once they had he big powerful empire in the middle, it was easy; Germanics fell for it, how couldn't they, they saw this big powerful empire to the south of them, they saw that it had X religion, they adopted it because they equated it with this power, knowing nothing about how little it had to do with it; same as how the USSR worked its magic to make communist satellites all over the world

>>511417558
>missing the point
Does Saul care about hebrew, israeli, jewish and/or any other sort of tribal identity, yes or no?

>>511417599
You are still Jewish.

>>511417714
Dude.... how shit is your fucking reading comprehension?
I couldn't possibly have made it more clear we fixed ourselves WITHOUT Christianity, holy fuck....

>>511417713
>spoonfeed me
Google how to google things if necessary. Remaining ignorant is your own choice.

>>511417335
shut the fuck up then
>>511417141
>But we enacted these revolutions eventually and each time they were regarded as secular revolutions.
"secular" but under a Christian metaphysic.
concepts like equality, inherent dignity, and linear progress aren't greco-roman, those came from Christian theology.
even secular humanism borrows the notion of the imago dei (mean created in God's image) stripped of its theological grounding but retaining its moral punch.

the french revolution rejected the Church yet retained a quasi-religious fervor, the "cult of reason" and "cult of the supreme being" were secular in form but metaphysical in function, replacing Christian ritual with state religion.
many enlightenment thinkers were deists or deeply shaped by Christian ethics. rationalism didn't arise in opposition to Christianity, but often as a reinterpretation of its moral obligations, sanitized for what they thought was going to be a post-theological age.
even movements like german nationalist socialism borrowed heavily from Christian motifs: martyrdom, redemption through suffering, apocalyptic struggle, while distorting them for ideological ends.

these "secular" revolutions were dressed in the garments of political reformed, but their skeletons were built on centuries of Christian metaphysical structure. they didn't escape the Christian paradigm, they merely secularized its myths ethics and eschatology.

the pretense of neutrality in secularism is a myth, it didn't birth morality, it inherited it.
atheism posits freedom, yet borrows its ethical compass from the faith it denies. Christianity didn't just shape the west, it is its foundation, and without it even "reason" loses direction, as we've seen in this post-9/11 world where secular humanism has taken the reins of culture from Christianity and given us pregnant men.

>>511417739
>Sorting people into "Romans" or "Africans" or whatever was not important for him.
That's all goyim to him, yeah.

>>511417565
Is the creator of the world forced to work in the way you expect? He chose to work through the Jews to accomplish His purpose, the plan from the beginning was always to save all of Mankind.

>>511416423
Can't change words in a sentence and expect the same out come.
Is the US on the rise or in decline since embracing globohom o?

>>511416603
>ignores first Christians going to the temple after the ascension


>>511416754
Secular doesn't have a set of morals.


>christianity is an anti-temple branch of judaism
So the main teacher and guide of the religion wasn't followed?

>source is not source


>>511416879
>not understanding the passage.
You sure do like to use the word goy.


>>511416885
>Rejection is evolution

>>511417831
>you didn't think Europeans were 1000000% perfect angel babies through all human history everywhere so you're jewish
I actually think our redemption arc makes us even more special. You're a fucking sperg

>>511417674
got my dates mixed up then
could have sworn the stabbing happened before the egypt connection...but no if he was dead then.....yeah i think i fucked up
back to the books for me

>>511417056
To be fair the Romans weren't even that oppressive to Christians. It's a myth similar to the Holocaust.

>>511417886
>Google
And you call me Negro educated

>>511417948
>first sentence pure lies
You knew that you had to immediately cover Greek philosophy specifically because it does indeed cover all that shit, fuck you fucking liar

>>511417961
>dude you said "goy"???????
Cope bitch

>>511418104
You think it wouldn't be noticed Chaim?

>>511417954
I don't even know what your point is. The point of *Paulism* was that ultimately, these distinctions are irrelevant because of the sacrifice of Jesus. Yes, obviously he believed the Jews were special because Yahweh chose them to be the first to receive his teachings. But in the context of salvation, it didn't matter. He explicitly told people that converting to Judaism (as the original Christians demanded) was pointless.

>>511417771
Sure, except that there was also a thousand years of warfare involving the Germanics, Slavs and Balts against the Christianized Romans (using the term in its late empire civnat meaning), not to mention the spin-off wars which we now look at as various heresies (ie. Arianism etc).
Famously, the first recorded Viking raids were launched against christian command and control centers. The Saxons and Frisians fought for generations to hold back the Christianizing Franks.
It was a long bloody affair, like all these semitic revolutions are.

>>511417955
No, but that has nothing to do with the point. Shall I assume you conceded it and agree that christianity is a form of judaism?

>>511417961
Absolutely idiotic. Hopelessly retarded.
>>511417977
Strawman. Ignored.
>>511417995
No problem, friend. There's a lot of information to sift through. Take a look at Gnostic Informant and Laurent Guyenot if you want a helping hand or two.

>>511418008
>le six gorillion martyr thrown in cages with bears and eagles
100% true, but the non-Romanized Europeans certainly did fight back hard against christianization. See >>511418264

>>511418207
>noooooo goy, stop noticing that Marxism is just streamlined Christianity without the retarded jewish zombie middleman to dupe modern people who can read!!!!!!!!!

>>511417773
I like how you have to rip verses out of context. Paul is literally writing against the circumcisions party. The point was he gave up his fleshly status as a good law keeping, circumcized Pharisee who persecuted the Church to follow Jesus Christ. As a Pharisaic Jew he had confidence in his own works and status, but chose to give it up and count it as trash for the truth.

>>511418104
you're confusing metaphysical substrate with philosophical vocabulary.
sure, greek philosophy discussed ethics, but it didn't universalize them. the idea that every person carries inherent dignity and moral worth regardless of status or virtue isn't found in plato or aristotle, it's Christian.
what the greeks called "ethics" Christianity called "obligation to the least of these."

strip that out, and you get clever men arguing about who deserves power, so no, it's not a lie, it's a distinction.
greek thought gave us reason, Christian metaphysics gave reason its moral purpose.

and what's with you gaslighting fucking heathens always calling me a liar?
there's no taqiyya clause in Christianity.
couldn't it have been that i was just misinformed if i held to a notion different from yours? (the case here is that you were the misinformed one however)
why assume deception over ignorance? aren't us Christians all Bible thumping retards?
unlike atheists, Christians have real moral duties and obligations, one of which is to tell the truth.
i'd NEVER outright lie, even to defend the truth of the gospel.

>>511418010
You gotta start somewhere, so I set the bar plainly on the ground for you. Come back when you can explain to the class why Rosenberg built Sachsenhain.

>>511418439
Ok so you admit we were imperfect at times then?
Then what's your fucking problem with me?
Were you being an overly defensive little bitch?

>>511417961
>ignores first Christians going to the temple after the ascension
Obviously I'm referring to the temple on Earth, not the idealized temple in the heavens (which in itself is identified with Jesus)

>>511418243
I agree. But he is still clear that being jewish is special, meaning that he is sorting the world into jew and goy.

>>511418567
>i'd NEVER outright lie
actually this is a lie, but it's complicated. (example: i'd tell my wife she's not fat if she was fat)
i wouldn't lie in the context of defending or telling someone about Christianity though.

>>511418522
It's a pretty simple question. Are you sure you don't want to take a stab at answering it? 50% chance of being right is pretty good odds for you.

>>511418567
>Greeks didn't cover ethics!!!
>ok, well, akkkkshully, they did.... but......
Absolute turbo back pedal, I'm fucking done with you.
Be ashamed.
You spit on your pre Christian ancestors at every turn just like a jew.

>>511418644
Your absurd dialectic is boring, and you are a triple jew.

>>511418316
>that christianity is a form of judaism?
No because I believe Judaism broke off from Christianity not the other way around. The faith always looked either towards or backwards to Christ. The Jews rejected Christ, God incarnate, and murdered Him. To equate the two is asinine.

>>511418703
>meaning that he is sorting the world into jew and goy.
Of course. But again, my point is that Paul didn't really care about the world all that much because he belied it was going to end soon.

>>511418703
>But he is still clear that being jewish is special,
Uhh no. He explicitly stated otherwise:

Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
>26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
>27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
>28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
>29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

>>511418805
Sounds like i hit the nail on the fucking head.
Maybe pause 20 seconds and decide if you actually disagree with someone before you post next time, you defensive little bitch.

>>511415398
But it's not very obvious when you examine the Bible. And what's the difference between you and protties anyway? Yous all believe in works salvation, yous all flat out deny large sections of scripture in favour of your traditions, what's allegory becomes literal and what's literal becomes allegory.

>>511418806
>to equate the two
Comparing is not equating. Claiming relationship is not equating. Why are you this retarded? Too many urban youths in your public school?

>>511418763
For himself? Yes he loved his people, like we love our people. But he was called to preach Christ crucified, not Jewish nationalism.

>>511418834
We are largely in agreement then. I don't know if he actually believed that himself though, but he certainly preached it.

>>511418834
Paul was probably the biggest winner of gentile souls to christ ever full stop.

>>511418806
>The Jews rejected Christ
If the Jews had truly rejected Jesus, Christianity would not have come into being. Who do you think were the first Christians? They were circumcised. They ate kosher. They observed the Sabbath. They believed that Jesus was the Messiah promised to them by the Jewish prophets.

>>511418883
>Uhh no.
Uhh yes.

>>511418936
The word Judaism refers to a particular faith, you saying Christianity "is" a branch of Judaism is incorrect.

>>511418917
Yawn. Quadruple jew.

Utterly mogged by Greek philosophy and jeets through the Bhagavad Gita.

>>511418883
Romans 3:1-4

He seems to think there is something

>>511419048
That's actually an understatement. If it weren't Paul, Christianity would have probably died out like the Essenes.

>>511419114
You know I'm right because you're not even telling me what I got wrong anymore. Seethe moar lol

>>511406862 (OP)
I do
though I sin
God is faithful to forgive us
for grace are we saved through faith in Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jesus Christ is the son of God
He died for our sins
and rose again on the third day

for God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father but through Jesus.

praise the Lord!
praise the Lord!
praise the Lord!

>>511419087
>The word Judaism refers to a particular faith
It refers to the religion of the jews.
>saying Christianity "is" a branch of Judaism is incorrect.
Non sequitur.
We've already been through this, and you gave up. Have you formed an actual argument, or are we just doomed to repeat the cycle?

>>511419056
Jews on the whole, not literally every single ethnic Jew. The people we call Jews today are theologically descended of the Pharisees.

no white people are derived from the south asian subcontinent. white people are of the western world, of european tradition and ancestry (aka christendom). white people explored, colonized and uplifted the world's straggling diversity into a modern age. meanwhile pajeets waited centuries for the next superior outsiders to give them purpose and identity.

"aryans" were an ancient example of white people, and they no longer exist in that form. there is no "indo-european" anything worth mentioning. the modern pajeet is a degraded copy of a copy of an ancient aryan's slave, long abandoned to his own primitive devices. a more recent example of abandoned pajeet slaves, this time far from home, are the gypsies in europe.

it would seem that the distasteful business of slavery may have evolved to meet the needs of the slaves themselves. what if specific cultures of humanity are natural and organic slaves, and to deprive them of their god-given role in life can only result in corruptions? what if freedom is only a mind-bending poison to these poor souls, and separates them from instinctive happiness? then what has been done to so many? what cruelty has this been, raising them up to stand as peers and rivals to anyone?

>>511416031
>To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion
He's talking to JEWS you fucking retard. He could have said Greeks but he said "exiles of the dispersion" aka jews kicked out of Jerusalem

>>511418776
>Greeks didn't cover ethics!!!
point to where i said that in this >>511417948 post and i'll burn my Bible.

>concepts like equality, inherent dignity, and linear progress aren't greco-roman, those came from Christian theology
this does not deny that Greek thinkers discussed ethics. it simply argues that certain moral universals, equality of all persons, inherent dignity of the weak, progress as a moral arc weren't native to classical pagan philosophy.

>>511419200
>It refers to the religion of the jews.
The Jews exclusively?

>>511419177
>clowns are right because the audience points and laughs instead of explaining why stepping on the rake is dumb
When the world points and laughs at you, remember that it pointed and laughed at yeshua bin yosef, yahweh's hamashiach first.
Hallelujah alhamdullilah.
Amen.

>>511407263
Trust the plan

>>511419272
"Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." That line does not make sense if it was mainly Jews addressed, the Jews had already received mercy throughout the old testament.

>>511419289
>point to where i said that in this >>511417948
Probably when you lied and said this:
>"concepts like equality, inherent dignity, and linear progress aren't greco-roman, those came from Christian theology."

>>511419209
Of course the majority of Jews rejected Jesus, as he did not fulfill the prophecies.
>The people we call Jews today are theologically descended of the Pharisees.
Which is very ironic, considering there would be no Christianity without a Pharisee (Paul).

there was never any good reason to share a country, a language, or the internet with pajeets

>people tell me to read the Bible
>flip to a random page, thinking God will inspire me
>verse talks about women lusting after horse dicks

Well there goes that plan.

>>511419323
No, exclusivity isn't necessary. Roman religion was eventually practiced in some variation by many non-Romans, but it remains first and foremost a Roman religion.
But since this whole discussion can be bypassed by simply calling it torah-centric religion (which you presumably would not dare to say christianity isn't), it's a futile attempt at distancing yourself from one jewish label when the point is the jewish content, not the label.

>>511406862 (OP)
Because kikes have taken over the institutions, doing their level best -- and achieving it -- in eradicating Jesus from the lives of every Westerner. They want you to worship them instead.

>>511419289
>dude, they discussed ethics, they just didn't discuss the most fundamental questions in any debate about ethics dude
You're just systematically fucking incorrect and simply banking on nobody ITT having read Greek philosophy. All that shit is absolutely addressed ad nauseum

>>511419068
>>511419147
You're quoting scripture out of context. What else does he say in Romans?

Romans 4:13-16
>13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
>14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
>15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
>16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore.

>>511419147
>>511419068
>>511419558
Also:

Romans 9
>6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
>7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[b]
>8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

>>511419485
Silly you, you should have flipped to the important parts, like one of the many places where the jews are promised to enslave the goyim into debt-slaves and suckle our wealth.
Now that's inspiring! (if you're a jew)

the internet is dying because it's been shared too far. much of what you suspected as bots has actually been outsourced thirdies reciting from scripts and following flow-charts. someone handed them smartphones and said the world is an open society. they don't know or care what the internet was supposed to be. everything is just another mercenary slum-hustle for pocket peanuts, helping to echo and amplify a mainstream (or subversion) narrative when they're not simply noise polluting

>>511419048
Well, because he is perfectly happy to make up copes and direct contradictions to Christ, in order to make more people join. It's quite generous to even call the people who follows the teaching of Paul, Christians.

do you qualify for the 8/8 gr8 club?
>you are 8/8 gr8 if all eight of your great-grandparents were born in the country indicated by your flag.
join today and receive your free decoder ring!

even more anons can be in the 4/4 b4 club:
>you are 4/4 b4 if all four of your grandparents were born in the country indicated by your flag.
still pretty good. that's a start. your kids might be 8/8 if you play your genes right.

>a-ok! so then what about the 2/2 too club? what do we get if both parents were born here?
you get to keep earning your citizenship. one or more of your grandparents were immigrants. that might have been novel and cool in moderation in the 20th century, but now it just means kalergi replacement. your family should be audited for merit and kept on homeland security probation until the immigrant generation passes.

>why are grandparents the cutoff?
because most people grow up with their grandparents as elder archetypes, the living representation of their ancestry and belonging in a territory. if your grandparents came from somewhere else, you share a definitive disconnect with them as your living roots trail far away with divided memories, sensibilities and loyalties.
if you're only concerned with relatives born in your present country, then you stand to gain nothing by dismantling its foundational culture, and there's no question as to where you belong. only immigrants and their orchestrators might benefit from new societal compromises in the name of multiculturalism and DEI.

>>511419346
>dude you're like so totally wrong about le something :^)
>haha, no silly, I can't tell you what :^)
This is pure cope and always will be.
You got outed as a defensive little bitch with poor reading comprehension and now you're doing a Joker cosplay to distract from that and it's sad

>>511408392
what?! Why are you being so dishonest?

recording what happened is absolutely not a command that you should do the same.
what, are you saying that because the Bible records that cain killed his brother Abel that it's saying you should do the same?!
it's just history. It's recorded so that you can learn from it, not emulate it.
it's saying "here is what happened when some people sinned" not "you should do this too"
and the fact that you tried to twist this like you did... is just evil.
>checks flag
ah.

all pajeets are working for jews, including the ones who perform antisemitism and say all the things they learned to say on /pol/. they are also serving the jew agenda. how? by speaking english and living in everyone else's countries. spectre, multiculturalism, mass migration, kalergi plan. don't even bother acting like pajeets oppose jews in any way. they support jews simply by their nature, by crowding into every opening gatekeepers offer them to enter the west and degrade it

pajeets should be posting on bharatchan and living on the subcontinent

>>511419558
>my religion contradicts itself
Not really the argument you think it is.
The point stands: Saul, the pharisaic jew and son of a rabbi, who has circumcised at least one person, does think that jews are special and see the world in terms of jew and goy.
I'm sure it is a tough pill to swallow for a christian leaning towards the uncucked end of the spectrum, but it is what it is.

>>511419514
I would say Christianity is a Gospel centered religion. The Torah's, along with the entire old testament's, purpose is to point us to Jesus. The Four Gospels are the center, the old testament pointed to it, and the Epistles instruct the Church on how it is meant to function post Christ's death and resurrection.

everything that was known as jews or trannies 2+ years ago is now massively outsourced to pajeets

when in doubt, try this
CLINICAL TEST QUESTION
>are you descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry?
any answer longer than "no" means yes
not answering means yes
lying means yes

>>511419728
>lolcow noises
post more

>>511419832
>nooo you can't just prove me wrong using scripture!
There is no contradiction. You're just trying to cherry pick specific versus without understanding the whole, which is a typical dishonest atheist tactic that you brainlets have been using since the dawn of time. You're not fooling anyone. Go back to plebbit.

>>511419544
Christcucks have to lie as their final redoubt. Which tells you everything about their "moral standing". Ie: they will deceive to get you to worship their magic jew.


>"Greek and Roman Conceptions of Natural Law
>The concept of Natural Law in Greco-Roman thought was a significant development in the evolution of law and justice. Greek philosophers, particularly the Sophists, began to question the validity of written laws and concluded that Natural Law is different from and opposed to written law. This understanding laid the groundwork for the later development of Roman law, which was heavily influenced by Greek legal systems. The Twelve Tables, inscribed on bronze tablets around 451 to 450 BC, were a pivotal moment in Roman law, establishing the principle of EQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW FOR ALL CITIZENS. These laws were created by a commission of ten men, known as the decemviri, and were displayed in public around 450 BC. The Twelve Tables remain a standard part of Roman legal education for centuries to come.
Christcucks will look at that and pretend it doesn't exist while also claiming christcuckery invented it. Then they'll act completely baffled about how things like democracies could even exist in the ancient world, because they'll intentionally omit, and refuse to mention, the fact that Greeks and Romans already had a moral basis for equality CODIFIED in their systems.

Ie: They want to pretend christcuckery and jews invented morality, even though that's obviously bullshit.

>>511419688
>Well, because he is perfectly happy to make up copes and direct contradictions to Christ, in order to make more people join.
This is correct, Paul even admitted to this -
>To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

>>511419432
but this does not deny that Greek thinkers discussed ethics. it simply argues that certain moral universals, equality of all persons, inherent dignity of the weak, progress as a moral arc weren't native to classical pagan philosophy.
>>511419544
"addressed ad nauseum" isn't the same as being universalized.
greek philosophy explored virtue ethics, justice and civic order, yes.
but where's the unqualified moral worth of the slave, the widow, the outcast?
that's not stoicism, that's Christianity.
you confuse the depth of discussion with the scope of inclusion.
i'm not banking on ignorance, just not banking on oversimplifications.

remember, the context was this:
>Roman law. The French Revolution. The Enlightenment. The 3rd Reich. All secular.
so when i point to Christianity's moral universalism, where dignity isn't earned, it's assumed, i'm not making an asspull. i'm showing how metaphysical inclusion outpaces legal frameworks that even at their best were exclusionary.

>511419893
You're a defensive little bitch with genuinely bad reading comprehension lol

>>511419837
Are you a marcionite? If no, then your christianity is torah-centric. It is the book your moshiach preached from in the synagogues he went to. It is the foundation on which the NT is built.
And the torah is jewish.

>>511419922
>Christcucks
Whenever I see someone use this word it's basically a giant sign that says
> "I'M A KIKE SHILL, IGNORE EVERYTHING I SAY!

>>511406862 (OP)
Have you read it? It's fucking retarded.

>>511419905
>>nooo you can't just prove me wrong using scripture!
Never happened. You can't prove the non-existence of the verses I've posted.
>typical dishonest atheist
I'm neither. Try harder.

If it's even a tiny bit Jewish I immediately take it for a lie.

>>511419927
No surprise, when the same people gave us the concepts of chutzpah, and to a degree, taquiya.

>>511419987
ok christcuck

>>511419922
the twelve tables did codify rights for CITIZENS, but let's not pretend that meant universal equality.
slaves, women and foreigners were excluded. natural law in greco-roman thought was a breakthrough, yes, but it was tethered to a stratified society.
Christianity introduced an entirely different moral axis: every soul is equal before God, regardless of status.
that metaphysical flattening of human worth is unprecedented. it doesn't erase greco-roman contributions, it reveals their limits.
and no, pointing that out isn't "lying" it's recognizing that philosophical evolution doesn't move in a straight line, and sometimes the most radical idea comes from the place you least expect.

>>511419944
Ok so you're admitting they addressed it all but just didn't come away from it with as much as an AntiFa tier outlook as you do. Gotcha.
Humanity will literally die out on this lonely fucking rock in space if too much nigger DNA proliferates.
Do you understand that?
Some of the subhuman hominids on this rock need to be oppressed.

>>511417948
correct

>>511419832
>does think that jews are special and see the world in terms of jew and goy.
That's how the first century Jews saw themselves, Paul arguments were meant to break them out of that mindset. The Judaizers believed Christianity was by essence Jewish, and the New Testament goes to great lengths to call that heresy.

>>511420174
The metaphysical flattening of human worth and its consequences have been a disaster for the human genus. Pretty sweet deal for jews though.

>>511419905
>>511420041

>There is no contradiction.
I think the reason why people get confused about Paul is that they fail to distinguish between pre-salvation (where the distinctions such jew/gentile matter) and post-salvation (where they don't). A lot of what Paul said and did that starts to make sense the moment you realize that he believed that the world was about to end in his lifetime.

>>511406862 (OP)
Because its retarded nonsense that is clearly fiction. Also it empowers the Jews.

>>511419987
>when I see [word], i ignore you :^) hahaha
This is literally always cope.

>>511406862 (OP)
believing in the state has become a religion and it is displacing all other religions. Believing that some organization is special because of written texts like a constitution is theological thinking

>>511420256
>That's how the first century Jews saw themselves, Paul arguments were meant to break them out of that mindset.
This is correct, but there's an important caveat in that the people Paul was arguing with were literally the first Christians, including Peter.

>>511420256
>That's how the first century Jews saw themselves
Yeah, including all the authors of the NT.
>Paul arguments were meant to break them out of that mindset.
I have posted a dozen verses that say the opposite.

I don't know what a "judaizer" is, but the NT absolutely does not call it heresy to refer to the NT as jewish. Stop lying or stop posting, your choice.

>>511406862 (OP)
The older I get, the more druid I become.
Desert religions are foreign to me and my ancestors

>>511419974
>Are you a marcionite?
Marcion rejected the Old Testament, and most of the New Testament outright. I affirm the old testament, it is not belittling them to say the gospels are the center.
>It is the book your moshiach preached from in the synagogues he went to
Obviously, those books told of Him. John 5:46-47 "For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”

Perfectly Good hardcover book for beating the brains from All Your Race in real life, so be ((((Cursed To Hell)))).
>>511406862 (OP)
https://files.catbox.moe/vacfhm.png

>>511420285
I don't think he did. He is clearly a malicious agent. He sees messianic judaism (ie. christianity) as subversive to non-messianic judaism, and persecutes it for years until he realizes that he can infiltrate it and send it off to his hated racial enemy: Rome.

You have to read the NT as a mix of genuine jewish apocalyptic messianism by midrashic jews reading the torah, along with Saul's succesful attempt to reduce further jewish conversions to messianism and to weaponize it against goyim.

Look at jews in American media these days. They are very good at this stuff.

>>511419688
>>511419927
He's saying he became as one of them as in he followed their cultures and standards while dwelling with them. He didn't compromise on Biblical doctrine. Show me what you think an example of him doing such is.

>>511420542
>Marcion rejected the Old Testament, and most of the New Testament outright.
This is only partially correct. Marcion did reject the Old Testament, but at the time, there was no "New Testament" for him to reject. In fact, the New Testament that we know today was created in part to displace the teachings of Marcion.

>>511406862 (OP)
Because it's fake and gay. Christians pray and pray and nobody ever answers. Any Christian with an IQ above 90 can connect the dots. They turn atheist or join a real religion with a real god, like Islam.

>>511420542
>I affirm the old testament
There it is. Glad we agree.
Your religion is jewish.

>>511420640
>He didn't compromise on Biblical doctrine.
Of course not. He didn't have to. Because he was *creating* the doctrine on the go!

>>511419987
SAAAAR WORSHIP THE JEW SAAAAAAR

>>511420635
>send it off to his hated racial enemy: Rome.
I disagree. I don't see any inclination is his writing that he intended for his teaching to be subversive in a secular sense (in fact, he literally told his converts to obey the Roman authorities). And I don't see why this would matter to him anyway, considering his belief in the coming apocalypse.

>>511419068
Yes, the Old Testament was revealed to them first. Which means they have even less of an excuse for killing their prophets and the greatest prophet and God in the Flesh Jesus Christ. This is why they're so cursed, the devil may give them wealth and power on this earth but so few Jews will ever believe on Christ its crazy.

>>511420949
>so few Jews will ever believe on Christ its crazy.
Why would the jews believe Jesus is the messiah when he did not fulfill the prophecies?

>>511420752
That's awesome, show me an example.

>>511420935
>subversive in a secular sense
There was no secular world back then. The NT is subversive to Rome, as evidenced by the Romans calling it subversive atheism rampant among the retards and by the fact that its victory destroyed Roman culture.
>he literally told his converts to obey the Roman authorities
This is just common sense when you don't have the ability to take power yet. Caesar himself said "obey the law at all times unless to take power".
>his belief in the coming apocalypse.
My argument assumes your ability to hypothesize that this was insincere.

>>511406862 (OP)
White societies became smarter. Non whites stayed low IQ so they believe in fairy tales.

>>511420949
>they have even less of an excuse
By killing their moshiach (in the myth they wrote), they're fulfilling the prophecy of their tribal god yahweh which you claim to believe in.
>further jewish noises
How does this detract from the point that Saul sees the world in terms of jews and goyim, with jews being special?

>>511421043
He did, before their very eyes too. And even after he ascended in 70ad the Romans destroyed their temple and scattered them to all nations as prophesied, and they hated, made fun of and killed everywhere they went also, as prophesied. Any Jew at any time can believe on Christ and stop their curse if they're not a reprobate.

>>511420395
>I have posted a dozen verses that say the opposite.
You have literally posted dozens of verses out of context, we show the full context, and it is>>511420395
>I don't know what a "judaizer"
clear Paul is building an argument AGAINST the thing you were claiming, and you just call it a contradictory.
>>511420395
>I don't know what a "judaizer"
The Judaizers were the group that claimed you had to be circumcized and follow all of the Mosaic law to be Christian. This is condemned in Acts 15, and very harshly in Paul's epistles. Galatians 5:1-12
"For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified[a] by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion is not from him who calls you. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is. But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed. I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!"

>>511420949
>dude, kikes are like totally miserable owning everything
Holy fucking giga cope.
You realize this is literally the most deradicalizing thought the human mind can possibly think of, right?

>>511421299
>he ascended in 70ad

>>511421071
Literally the entirety of the Epistles. Before Paul, there was no concept of "Spiritual Judaism". Only the jews could be saved by Jesus. For Paul, there were only two valid sources of teachings - the Torah, which he "creatively" re-interpreted (midrash) and revelation (Paul believed that Jesus was directly talking to him). So in a sense. there was really no "doctrine" for him to compromise.

>>511421333
Go for a walk, drink some water, then post again without your womanish emotions getting in the way of basic formatting.

>>511421481
Insults are all you can do because your belief system is based on lies.

>>511406862 (OP)
white people dont even read this
neither do brown people
only high iq people understand that this book is about how messed up the jews are and how god always needs to punish them

>>511421135
>My argument assumes your ability to hypothesize that this was insincere.
Well sure, he could have been lying, but on what basis do you assume his intentions, then? I mean, of course Christianity was counter-cultural, but that in itself is not evidence of some kind of ploy to destroy Rome.

>>511421439
>Only the jews could be saved by Jesus.
So what did Jesus mean when he spoke to the centurion in Matthew 8? "When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith. I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment."

>>511421379
>after he ascended comma in 70 ad he Romans destroyed their temple

>>511421299
>And even after he ascended in 70ad
That's a good one lol
>>511421787
>So what did Jesus mean
See here's the problem. The gospels of the New Testament are a product of post-Pauline Christianity. They do not reflect the actual thinking of the first Christians.

>>511421690
More like Yahweh the foreskin eater punishes jews for not committing enough genocide or taking enough child sex slaves or cutting enough baby dick.

>>511406862 (OP)
Christianity lost control of women and try to make up for it by asking more from men

>>511422031
>The gospels of the New Testament are a product of post-Pauline Christianity.
A nonsense claim by heretics and Muslims that want to twist the faith and has no ground to stand on.

>>511413570
I' d rather have a christian nigger, than a white atheist.

>>511421587
>seething so hard basic formatting fails
>imagines knowing the thoughts of others
You are a woman.

>>511421379
>>511421966
>>511422031
He didn't ascend in 70ad, 70ad is after he ascended and when the temple was destroyed.

>>511422214
Have you ever wondered why you don't have Paul referring to these Gospel teachings of Jesus in his letters? Because they didn't exist yet. In fact, he *insists* that the only valid sources of teachings come from the Torah or directly talking to Jesus himself, as he claims he did.

>>511422380
>complaining about formatting a 4chan
>calls me a woman
pot and kettle

>>511421769
The bible is pretty explicit about it.

>>511422496
clearly using gentile in a religious sense not ethnic.

>>511419757
Wasting time on retards. Commendable, but you'll learn in time not to care.

>>511422384
Yes, Romans did destroy the temple, but that's not a prophecy that was supposed to be fulfilled by the jewish messiah.
>>511422496
No, sorry, that's just silly. The Torah is a Jewish supremacist document, sure, but that's not the same thing as it being some kind of manual for subversion. Remember, the jews believed that the messiah will physically punish all the enemies of the Jews, and then all the nations will bow down to them.

>>511421966
>incomprehensible due to all the frothing at the mouth
Seriously, touch grass.

>>511406862 (OP)
White people never actually believed in it though. Being "Christian" is the default white thing to do so many of them claim to be Christian but don't actually practice the faith nor anything Jesus tried to teach people. Just like white people conflate Capitalism with being white as the system destroys their nations by flooding their homelands with millions of brownoids due to destroying the middle east.

>>511415398
Not even fucking close.

>>511422344
Let me just make that very clear to everyone ITT.
>HE WOULD RATHER HAVE A CHRISTIAN NIGGER THAN A WHITE ATHEIST
>HE WOULD RATHER HAVE A CHRISTIAN NIGGER THAN A WHITE ATHEIST
>HE WOULD RATHER HAVE A CHRISTIAN NIGGER THAN A WHITE ATHEIST

>>511422496
Why would any Christian argue against converting pagans and destroying idols unless they were some retard compromiser who doesn't care for people's souls?

>>511422482
>I don't have to make attempts to communicate clearly because this is 4chan so therefore you're a woman
kek ok sweetie
you need more kiddos in your life so you don't fill the void with politics

>>511422823
The point is you clearly understood what he meant.
>Seriously, touch grass.
Projection.

>>511422948
Paul did not believe in violence. This is later reflected in the "teachings" of Jesus.

>>511422633
No such thing.
>>511422803
>that's not the same thing as it being some kind of manual for subversion
Never said it was. I'm saying Saul was being knowingly subversive against Rome in moving messianic judaism away from jews and towards goyim.
>Remember, the jews believed that the messiah will
Yeah, there's a few schools of thought on that, and tons of copes when they realized that they will obviously never defeat anyone militarily besides the local goatherders. The NT was concocted to ensure all the goyim bow down to them via religious subversion, rather than military prowess.

>>511422633
Also this. Anyone in both Old and New Testaments could/can get saved by believing. And anyone could join the nation by getting circumcised and taking part in the rituals, and today join a church by getting baptized.

>>511422948
Why are you inventing these imaginary opinions for me to defend?
>>511423030
>let me tell you what you think
Thanks sweetie, but my wife already does that for me.
>projection
I'm well hydrated, sitting under a tree in my garden. Thank you for your concern though.

>>511423077
Giving someone the gospel and telling them to trash their Mary/Long haired Jesus/Buddha/Hindu statues isn't violent.

>>511422986
Christ loves you Danebro. I will keep praying for you. I don't think you have ill intent, I hope you think the same of me.

>>511423429
No, just jewish.

>>511423214
>I'm saying Saul was being knowingly subversive against Rome in moving messianic judaism away from jews and towards goyim.
But you haven't provided any actual evidence of this. We don't actually know why Paul decided to preach to the goyim. You're just speculating.
>The NT was concocted to ensure all the goyim bow down to them via religious subversion, rather than military prowess.
And again you're trying to make it sound like some kind of conspiracy. The sect that created Christianity was tiny, and their ideas weren't popular among the Jews.

>>511423432
I just think you should get married and get pregnant before its too late. Post 35, a pregnancy is considered high risk.

>>511406862 (OP)
>Why don't people believe in this?
because it requires reading
and they're all convinced they somehow know what it says without doing so

>>511417228
Best post in thread

>>511423451
Yeah I think that's stupid Talmud mishna kike trash. The Bible says destroy them, burn them not intricately deface them like an autist.

>>511423587
I can do the first thing, but the second part isn't biologically possible as a male

>>511423484
>You're just speculating.
How many anti-goyim verses do you want me to post?
>And again you're trying to make it sound like some kind of conspiracy.
What sort of libtard neologism is that supposed to be? Conspiracies aren't a made up thing, anon. Caesar wasn't assassinated coincidentally.
>tiny
Non sequitur. The people who assassinated Caesar were a tiny minority of the Romans, and their ideas weren't popular among Romans. That's neither here nor there.

>>511413300
Kill yourself if you believe this and go to heaven today.

>>511406862 (OP)
>Why don't people believe in the big book of jewish witchcraft anymoar???
It is truly a mystery, anon.

>>511423666
>I disagree with the talmud about exactly how to go about destroying European culture
ok satan

>>511407263
>horrid attempt, anon.
>world's largest religion and it only keeps growing since it's objective truth.
>christ is king.
>we won.
>sit back and enjoy the ride.
we are. we are worried about you is all. cant be easy finding out youve been atheist in all but name for 2000 years and have been working towards jewish torah interests the entire time at the expense of yourselves and everyone around you. might start thinking god betrayed you or some bullshit, when it was you who betrayed god by trusting jews and helping them to hide their identities.

>>511423648
I read it. Here's a fun one.
>Hey jews, it's your ole pal Yahweh the foreskin eater here. You better be fucking your child sex slaves or I'll punish you.
Such awe inspiring Christian ethics.
How can the Greeks compete??????

>>511423854
I'm pro keeping Europe white European. And I love the varying architecture, music, food and culture from nation to nation. But paganism ought to be wiped out. India is the biggest pagan nation and its a dump.

>>511423971
Far be it from me to defend jews, but that's actually relatively normal human behavior.

>>511424082
>I'm pro keeping Europe European.
>But European culture ought to be wiped out.
You guys have been taking your masks off a lot these recent years. Off to the camps with you too.

>>511424214
Paganism is not European culture, it hasn't been for centuries.

>>511424107
And are you not happy we moved past this after the secular enlightenment?
Isn't this why you freaked out and called me a jew earlier?
Can we please both agree child sex slaves are bad?
Please?

>>511406862 (OP)
Jews

>>511423799
>How many anti-goyim verses do you want me to post?
Quoting the Torah doesn't tell us much about the motivations of Paul. Again, the jews are not a hive mind. They do not all believe the same things. Most jews rejected Jesus because they thought he was just another in the long line of false messiahs.
>The people who assassinated Caesar were a tiny minority of the Romans, and their ideas weren't popular among Romans.
This is such a bad analogy. Caesar had many opponents in Rome. The conspirators stabbed him to death, they didn't form a plan of ideological warfare that would play out over centuries.

>>511423971
Before Numbers are commands against fornication and commands to get married before carrying out that physical act. So your AI buddy has brain damage not being able to put 2 and 2 together.

>>511424214
Paganism isn't European you utter sperg, it's found everywhere.

>>511424301
>The kosher burger thinks this was made by jeets
kek

>>511424322
No.

>>511424449
Don't be daft. He's a pharisaic rabbi.
>Most jews rejected Jesus because
he's a midrashic character and not a real person, and Saul succesfully managed to move the small midrashic cult away from jewry and off to the goyim. Most jews of the time never heard most of the jesus myths at all.
>Caesar had many opponents in Rome.
And Rome has many opponents in jewry.
> they didn't form a plan of ideological warfare that would play out over centuries.
Because they had the ability to enforce their will in the simplest way (ie. violence), which the jews had clearly proven themselves incapable of by the end of the 1st century CE. The jews simply failed to "stab Rome" and had to try other methods.

>>511406862 (OP)
Because now we know that it is jewish through and through, and we all know that jews are not the most trustworthy people.

>>511424626
>abos exist, so therefore European culture needs to be replaced with jewish culture

>>511424671
that statue was made by a Christian, Friedrich Drake, an alumnus from the prussian academy of arts, which had strong Christian influences.

>>511406862 (OP)
Maybe because your 'white people' think this doesn't serve their ego, and they side with their ego instead of siding with God.

>>511425084
Stop conflating your retard wooden idol butt plugs with European culture. Also gif saved lmao

>>511424709
Ok so I'm a jew for not liking child sex slaves, cool.

>>511424491
>no, you see goy, I'm married to my child sex slave and even got permission from my other 7 child sex slave wives so it's cool now
Abrahamics are demonic and you reflect the morals of your foreskin eating demon god.

>>511407263
>world's largest religion and it only keeps growing since it's objective truth
>whole core is based around low vibrational energies such as submission, guilt, fear and awaiting the apocalypse that should've happen 1000 years ago but this time it's gonna be true
>there are no esoteric practices for the people just repeat guilt phrases and turn yourself into a mercy dependent slave

>>511425216
>idols of pagan goddesses aren't pagan when the man who makes them is baptised
kek what a cope

>>511425332
>European culture isn't European unless it is suffused with semitic culture first
whatever you say mate

>>511425357
No, you're a jew for being a gay liberal.

>>511424955
>Don't be daft. He's a pharisaic rabbi.
Yes. So? He persecuted the Christians, and then he switched to their side. We don't know why. Maybe he was a schizo and he heard voices in his head. Maybe he wanted more power for himself. All we have is speculation. Maybe the persecution itself is a lie, too.
>he's a midrashic character and not a real person
Possible. But it doesn't really matter all that much.
>Most jews of the time never heard most of the jesus myths at all.
That's also quite possible. But again, you made sound as if Christianity were some kind of "Jewish plot" to seize power. But in reality most of the Jews didn't even know.
>The jews simply failed to "stab Rome" and had to try other methods.
But this is also false, the Jews did in fact fight against Rome *after* the creation of Christianity, several times, in fact.

>>511425413
Guilt fear and shame! Don't forget the shame!

>>511425668
>"liberal"
>doesn't like child sex slaves
Guilty as charged

>>511425684
>We don't know why.
I've presented a theory which is perfectly in line with the torah.
>most jews
are irrelevant to the topic of Saul's intentions.
>after
Wrong. The texts were still being written and edited long into at least the 2nd century CE.

>>511425357
It is explicitly commanded multiple times throughout the Bible that a man is to have one wife and that she be developed at minimum. Just because people like David and Soloman had many wives doesn't mean the Bible condones it, it's simply stating the reality of what happened.

>>511425759
>muh oppression
>muh patriarchy
>muh womens rights
Gay, jewish and liberal.

>>511425865
Yes, yes, you worship jews and think it's ok when they cuck you and take your women as concubines, you think they deserve it for being superior jews, say no more, I'm aware

>>511425906
>no you see, here's why child sex slaves are ok......
Why do you hate christkikery again?

>>511425816
>I've presented a theory which is perfectly in line with the torah.
And I've explained to you why the Torah is not a conspiracy manual.
>The texts were still being written and edited long into at least the 2nd century CE.
That is true. But by that time, Jews and Christians were long separated. Even Rome saw them as two different groups at that point.
>ooooo, that's what they wanted them to think!
Come on, this is just silly. Childish, even. That's not how history works.

>>511426034
Today's Jews are unsaved and evil people who deny the Bible, they are both spiritually and genetically stunted. Cuckoldry is a weird form of adultery that should be punishable by death to all parties involved.