We're already living in this story. Except instead of soma and orgies we have goyflix, alcohol, and brainrot

we don't have any lab grown people or a strict caste system

its been a long time since i read this, what were the effects of soma? just a happy euphoric drug?
if you were always happy feelgood that would become your baseline and it wouldn't feel good anymore, you need the low to have a high

>>511459623
its not like people were having a blast all the time in the story. they were largely indifferent and apathetic.

>>511460111
sadly that's the best way to be happy
stress really does go away when you stop giving a shit
soma could be crack cocaine

>>511459246
No one tell him

>>511459061 (OP)
correct
anyone who points to 1984 is outing themselves as having only read that one book (or, more likely, not even that book)
modern day is more a mix of brave new world and 451, and that's just picking from some of the most popular and well-known dystopia novels

>>511460830
how isnt 1981 basically giving a similar message? i dont see how they differ

>>511460540
Lol

>>511459246
There's lab grown people but it's not classified or understood

There's a loose caste system also based off government welfare. 40% of blacks are on food stamps and a greater percentage are on other pointless programs. Jews can get zero interest bank loans.

>>511461273
1984: totalitarian government removes all beauty and nuance to keep you from dreaming bigger
bnw: totalitarian government saturates you with degeneracy to keep you docile
451: totalitarian government overwhelms you with dumb bullshit to keep you from noticing anything that matters

>>511461679
Not declassified* or well understood*

at this point it's all of them raining in unison, years ago I would've also said bnw was a much better fit for the way they set things up but very lately especially mounting on the covid shitshow they are also just throwing 1984 in

>>511461733
if these summaries are 100% correct i can see why you think the bottom two are more relevant, but still even the upper one would still exist.
its been a while since i read any of these books so i cant remember which was which, but i think you probably could find stuff in all of them that could relate to the present .

>>511462053
they're pretty reductive but they get the broad stroke of each one
the issue is in 1984 they're also anti-hedonism, anti-sex, anti-drugs, etc whereas the other two are the opposite

Nothin tells me quicker that someone doesn't read shit than constantly talking about how it's 1984 whenever fucking anything happens and meanwhile brave new world is around and they have never heard of it

>>511462203
>the issue is in 1984 they're also anti-hedonism, anti-sex, anti-drugs
cant remember this at all, woulnt make sense

>>511462434
Well you do have neighbors, even your own kids, reporting you to the authories for anything suspicious in that book. It has happened before obviously and today it's just called doxxing. Orwell also predicted a 'screen' in every room that spits out propaganda daily. Main character works as a history eraser. World today is more or less a combination of Brave New World and 1984. Didn't read Fahrenheit 451 yet.

>>511462915
the party is openly against sex, and the only allowed vices are the shitty state-distributed liquor and smokes
repression of sexuality is a major part of the book

>>511459061 (OP)
Correct. People also eat food that's packaged in plastic and think that nature is dirty and icky, just like the characters in Brave New World.

>>511463468
451 is like the inverse of 1984
they oversaturate you with dumb and meaningless media so you don't notice the facts or history
"You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture; just get people to stop reading them."

>>511460830
I mostly agree but there are elements of 1984 in the modern world. Memoryholing is a good example. And two minutes of hate is very similar to the sensationalist news that stokes hatred against Trump or Nazis or whatever is the latest punching bag. Also governments using euphemistic language to mask what they actually do, just like the Ministry of Truth.

>>511463875
of course. the concept of "newspeak" being used to change how you think about things is very relevant, too. not just pronoun stuff but gay terms like "undocumented person"
but even if some parts reflect our reality, the more central pillars of the party (e.g. suppression of sexuality, individuality) are a very different approach than what we see today

>>511463875
>>511464502
exactly this is what i mean

>>511459061 (OP)
I'm sick of people who can only process the world through literature. Like take a fucking chill pill you drama queen.

I think the outer layer is brave new world, lots of degeneracy and pointless entertainment to keep 95% of goyim stupefied, but if you survive that you come across 1984 censorship and brutality, it's just that most havent experienced it.

>>511460830
No, just BNW. Nobody cares about reading books anymore, similar to the conditioning in BNW. Why do that when you can doomscroll Tik Tok for endless micro dopamine hits? Libraries and book stores still exist, they're just ghost towns.

>>511464737
Read a fucking book, retard.

>>511464839
>Why do that when you can doomscroll Tik Tok for endless micro dopamine hits?
this is one of the most prominent components of 451, but it's interactive tv programs and bullshit gossip
>Libraries and book stores still exist, they're just ghost towns.
this is one of the major themes of 451. you don't have to burn books, just get people to stop reading

>>511459623
its basically a combination of lsd and ecstasy

>>511459246
humans have separated themselves by caste, we don't need a genetic system in place

>>511465139
I know 451. It's a lazy mash-up of BNW and 1984. It doesn't need inclusion in your metaphor for modern society as BNW already covers it. Nobody's burning books or knowledge. If anything, we are awash with unvetted "knowledge" so everything becomes a flat mash of distraction with lack of discretion or discernment. We are being defeated by what brings us pleasure and nothing else.

>>511465472
you keep making the case for 451 with these descriptions that fit it better than bnw, but i suppose you're entitled to your opinion

>>511464881
You didn't read Brave New World. You half listened to your 11th grade English teacher annotate it for you.

>>511459623
If I remember correctly, it's a drug people take when they start to feel uneasy about their reality. A method to keep them content with what has been done to them.

>>511461733
451 was very explicit in explaining that the state of society spawned from the bottom up more than from the top down. The descent into constant meaningless consumption of vapid media was a willing decline, not something enforced by the government. People supported the burning of complex literature because they didn't care for it anymore, not because the government coerced them into it.
It's the most prophetic of the classic dystopian novels in my opinion purely for it's parallels to the dominance of shortform media today.
It was more a condemnation of how contemptable the average person is in their complete lack of any innate moral sense that hasn't been imposed upon them.

>>511459061 (OP)
Soma would be better

>>511460830
F451 is on point for media sensationalism as an extension of state power

>>511465982
well yeah those descriptions were meant to be reductive and template-style. compare-and-contrast at a glance
there is a totalitarian government even if the book reveals people wanted it (or at least were complacent) as part of the commentary. 1984 touches on this as well, to a lesser degree. can't recall if bnw did
agreed that this particular element is part of what makes 451 so relevant, though

>>511465787
I have a MA in literature, guy.

>>511465857
See
>>511466810
I know BNW more than you ever will, high schooler.

>>511459061 (OP)
Im drinking goycohol rn anon

>>511466810
lol
your posts make more sense now

>>511459246
>or a strict caste system
At some point along the line, the sort of power players that pull the strings in society realized that having strict, well defined separation among the peasants and the aristocracy fails in that it creates a point of focus that can be attacked.
This has given way to a more effective illusion of freedom and order. A person who can't even envision the actual state of things couldn't ever oppose it.
People believe we live in a free society where the common voice dictates the direction of society. Obviously this couldn't be further from the truth. The people on top do as they please with society, and they live lives completely free from the supposedly universal laws that bind the rest of us

>>511466810
why are you posting on 4chan if you have a MA in literature? don't you have a job?

>>511466810
>appealing to the authority of a literature degree
You're embarrassing yourself, guy

>>511467069
Yeah I make $100k as a prompt engineer. How's your CS degree working out? English major chads can't stop winning this century.

>>511467162
>>511467240
See
>>511467244

>>511467244
>appeal to authority didn't work
>fall back on sad projection
you could've just stopped posting

>>511467244
Most of those jobs go to nepo babies to be fair

>>511459061 (OP)
Pretty much. Notice how liberals only ever scream about 1984. To them BNW is utopia.