i am literally the smartest here for reading this entire thread (about the shroud of turin real or fake) and realizing your logic is flawed because it almost looks like jews are fighting here. go and read this whole thread it looks like everyone here is jewish for not saying its fake or real (or thats at least how you made everyone in the thread feel like at the end) you guys are the reason humanity is </33...

you are all trapped for even caring about real or fake in the first place.

>>512007074.

i recommend reading this whole thread because it shows the comedic nature of 4chan /pol . somehow Christianity is being soft locked for being for jews only ? i thought gentiles and goyss have a place to say something too. i feel like people are getting insane here. thoughts ?

the shroud of turin was carbon dated to be from hundreds of years after jesus "existed"
christcucks get the rope

>>512010130
That was part of the cloth that was stitched on there to repair it, on the edge of the shroud where it had torn. The original cloth still dates centuries earlier.

Clearly you haven't researched the shroud.

>>512010306
>>512010130
>>512009987 (OP)
The Relics of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) are still there .

https://youtu.be/UzSkwCx3Dx4

>>512010306
anyway islam is from the same core religion does that make mohammed abraham or moses jewish ???

Oh neat. Another schizo's resistant to evidence that doesn't fit their narrative thread.

>>512010600

our history was too censored to make conclusions i am one of these tartaria mud flood chuds who know in despair that we will never know full truth to anything.

>>512009987 (OP)
Here's a real photograph of Jesus btw

there's partial fiber shading at the microscopic level. there's thousands of burial cloths from all over the world, but none with an imprint like this. the shape of the imprint was formed as the cloth draped over a levitating body flashing with x-ray light.

>>512010306
tired canard. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/radiocarbon/article/investigating-a-dated-piece-of-the-shroud-of-turin/8CC26C322198300E051C49A0BA5B96D9

>>512009987 (OP)

JESUS CHRIST IS KING!

>>512010306
Christchucks lied (of course) then refused to allow an "original" piece to be tested. The Shroud is fake and so is the rest of your Jewish folklore.

let the plank of turin discussion begin.

>>512012535
there is no need to test again, the original tests were conducted on the original part of the "shroud".

>>512010306
Oh and what about the "blood" turning out to be Vermillion paint?

>>512012638
Yes. And the fact that Christians refuse to have another test done confirms the whole thing is a fake curiosity to wring money out of people. It's like a Fiji mermaid for Christian retards.

>>512011947
This.
people who’re saying it’s fake are literally already fucked and know they’re going to Hell, they know God will tell them he never knew them.
They’re just trying to take you from your King, by saying it’s fake. You know in your heart it’s real.

>>512009987 (OP)
Let this be a daily reminder that Catholics are idolaters and can only worship their god through images, iconography, and faux pagan traditions based upon teachings of Paul the Hypocrite.

>>512012903
They need to act more like the original founding Jewa of Christianity.

>>512012903
Let this be a daily reminder that jews can’t capitalize God.

>>512011947
>there's thousands of burial cloths from all over the world, but none with an imprint like this
Yeah, that's because it's not real, retard. You can't drape a cloth over a 3D face and end up with a normal looking 2D image of a face. >>512012560

>>512013077
God. Oh no...!

>>512013135
Unless it was draped over the body and not wrapped

>>512010130
>Jews said it was fake, so it must be fake

>>512012903

the logic is that you are jewish because le christianity core relligion was jewish is like saying islam core believers were not into judaism too at one point . so what moses and abraham could make a new relligion without being accused of being jews 1000y later but jesus couldnt with christianity ?

>jews trying to make everyone feel like jews challenge impossible.

jew in denial or gay in denial ?

>>512013272
It doesn't matter if it's wrapped or draped. The image would be distorted. And in Jewish burial, the person is wrapped with multiple pieces of linen. So that's another error the French artist made when creating the Shroud.

>>512013400
Nope. I am Muslim. All 124,000 Prophets were Muslim including Jesus, David, Moses, and Abraham.

>>512013400
Actually most of the disbelievers and haters are from ((that)) religion. But their prophet was false who only cared about carnal desires and bloodlust. You tell me what part of that is considered "holy"

>>512013135
We don't know the final position of Jesus when he turned into a ball of light and ascended to Heaven you fucking retard. He could have been in a vertical postion

>>512013739
You mean the religion that didn't worship idols and engage in adopted pagan rituals?

>>512009987 (OP)

>>512009987 (OP)
Here, kike-slave go kiss your kike foreskin!

>>512013851
That's not how bloodstains work, retard. His "original" position would still be imprinted on the shroud, and the fact that there is only only image means he didn't move until the blood was dry.

Shroud deniers continue to fucking embarrass themselves
>Shroud unable to be duplicated today
>still don't know how the Shroud was made
>dirt from Jerusalem on the Shroud, just in case there are fiber analysis done on it 700 years later
>blood from the Shroud was there BEFORE the visual imprint, so this artist madman put the blood on FIRST and them put the body on it
>Shroud shows wounds from the razor whips that Jesus was lashed with and medical experts say the wound imprints are medically correct

It literally looks like a medieval drawing. How is it even a question whether it's real or not?

>>512013970
>That's not how bloodstains work, retard.
We're talking about how his FACIAL IMAGE as you pointed out, faggot. He could have been laying down in the cloth for a few hours/days/whatever, the blood dries, then he ascends and turns into a ball of light.

>>512013931

none of the agencies are capable of ruining anything dear.

>>512014063
>It literally looks like a medieval drawing.
Then why can't we duplicate it today?

>>512013970
Yes but the blood would have shown the "stigmata" - i.e hand wounds, the bleeding from the crown of thorns, AND there would have been blood from the lashings to the back and front etc.

One thing faggot OP doesn't say is there's like hundreds of such objects on eurocuckstan, all forgery, then again is only natural since it's a fairy tale after all.
As the templars would tell you, the yeshua never got crucify he end up in fact marrying john and mary the prostitute and like 3~5 children with her.
Is not me wanting to smear your slave-cult, it's what the highest order of knights would say they discorver during the crusades.
Aparently they had move the bodies to europe and then to america since that period.
Again, is all fake & gay and OP is in favor of mutt-maxing and destroying the genepool of europe (again).

Daily reminder that the only argument against the veracity of the shroud is literally
>well, at the time they had all the materials to do a complete holographic image that can be turned into a full 3D model, so it's a fake because someone really smart made it but wanted to his tech hidden
That's like saying medieval people could make microprocessors because there's sand.

>>512013389
>the people of yeshua's tribe who live where he lived had an opinion on their fellow jew
Yes and?

>>512014138
Oh, so it's fake.

>>512014153
>Again, is all fake & gay
Then why can't the Shroud be duplicated today?

>>512014007
>blood stains found to be drawn in Vermillion pigment
Lol. Lmao even

>>512014200
Not true faggot, the blood on the Shroud is confirmed real. And it's AB

>>512013871
Some people speculate that you worship Saturn

>>512014074
>they set jeebus face down, that's why his face and hair look perfect in the shroud
You're either a troll or retarded.

>>512014082
Oh so you're a kike doing pilpull, it make sense.
Of course they can, by bringing a bunch of worhtless shitskin to replace and destroy the natives. It isn't the first time christcucks did that, faggot, it's a abrahamic thing.
If you were not a dissimulated faggot maybe you would know that, but since you're a kike cock sleeve there's not much to say about it.
TOTAL ABRAHAMIC DEATH

>>512014259
>>they set jeebus face down
Wow. I literally used the word "ascended". He rose up, probably in the vertical position.
And please answer how the Shroud was made (if it isn't real) and why we can't duplicated it today.
Fucking faggot.

>>512014227
link needed. not some other christard repeating this impossible claim, but link to the study.

>>512014153

slovakia is like 80% white cope. and again idk why you didnt mention the fact that its jewish to attack Christianity since by the logic of yours why not attack islam also when its from the same core relligion (judaism) smartass. notice how you guys never mention judaism but always christianity almost like judaism and islam comepletely got replaced or smthg.

>>512014409
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/382507253_New_Insights_on_Blood_Evidence_from_the_Turin_Shroud_Consistent_with_Jesus_Christ's_Tortures

>>512014330
retard

>>512014187
>replicated
wtf are you talking about fucking kike-cock-sleeve retard? This first of all, DOESN'T MATTER at all and is NOT a ARGUMENT, only for you a dimwit retard slave-cultist doing your role-play of being a kike slave despite not going to pissrael to achieve your greater slave duties would think otherwise.
And it was already proven to be made on the medieval times, only now that it's losing followers (disregarding the niggers in africa) that it change the tone, this is call desperation.

>>512014500
What are you trying to say with this picture, faggot? I await your silence because you are getting more vague and desperate as our conversation continues.
Still no answer on how it was made or why we can't duplicate it today, huh?

>>512014439
Almost like /Pol is full of them amirite

All anti-christs will go to Hell.

>>512014545
>wtf are you talking about fucking kike-cock-sleeve retard? This first of all, DOESN'T MATTER at all and is NOT a ARGUMENT,
Are you fucking retarded? If something exists that can't be duplicated/replicated whatever it greatly increases it's chances of being real, you spic faggot.
>And it was already proven to be made on the medieval times,
So what? Whatever we made back then should be able to be made now.

>>512014330
>Wow. I literally used the word "ascended". He rose up, probably in the vertical position.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>512014616
This pic doesn't prove anything. If Jesus was wrapped tightly in the cloth, then ascended in a vertical/standing position, then the cloth fell to the ground that, the image we see is what the imprint would look like.
Please tell us how the Shroud was made and why we can't duplicate it.

>>512009987 (OP)
It looks fake to me.
That being said, I don't care either way.
Christ is King.

>>512014667
>This pic doesn't prove anything. If Jesus was wrapped tightly in the cloth, then ascended in a vertical/standing position, then the cloth fell to the ground that, the image we see is what the imprint would look like.
so the shroud should have a distorted image?
anyways hot wood imprint technique

>>512014750
>so the shroud should have a distorted image?
No.
>anyways hot wood imprint technique
Nope. All disproven. We. Cannot. DUPLICATE. The. Shroud.

>>512012902
The god of the jews YHVH is the fire demon agni. Original vedic name YHVH. Not the creator of the universe. He is the burning bush, the pillar of flame, the acceptor of burnt offerings... and the only vedic god who does not have a hindu cult dedicated to him, because that cult fucked off and became the jews.

Christ is krishna, also a vedic demon.

These gods have traveled the world and taken many names over the centuries.

You are not dealing with spiritual truth here. You are dealing with the meddlings of a non-corporeal but still very much real and limted race of intelligent beings called the archons.

.

It's real

>>512014575

my posts in this thread make even more sense when you look up youtube channel called Israel Advocacy Movement. you can see that its a common psyop now that zionists are slowly making us all feel like jews or wanna push us to feel like one. if you cant beat them you join them strategy.

>>512014951
>God does not exist as an individual being within the universe and is incapable of existing as an individual being within the universe, because the universe is part of god

>>512015101
Yes, because christ was a human body possessed by an mature archon. Archons release a shitton of energy when de-incorporating. Sometimes they even cook the body and leave it exceptionally well preserved like human jerky.

Archons are basically just human+. We are divine fragments and are capable of causing the procedural generation of the universe since god is experiencing it through us. They are larger fragments and do not need the laws of physics to believe they exist, and contain a more coherent form of the will of god (actual). And yet, still, they are not purely good, because god also wants to know what it's like to be evil.

>>512009987 (OP)
>christjews are still shilling their fake and gay cloth from which they make money
kek

>>512014863

i might not have the /x/ lvl knowledge on this but explain how christ would be krishna ? and if you know the story of how buddhism started you know that hinduism/buddhism story is being compared to abel and cain by some if iam not mistaken which is absurd. (the story of the brothers in buddhism) or who tried to kill buddha its the same errors people think makes all relligions connected where in reality it could just be fables and half truths.

>>512014494
lol. a professor of mechanics who is convinced of the authenticity of the "shroud" based on personal revelation publishes an article on blood samples via an indian publishing scam, then uploads the article to researchgate. I am convinced.

>>512014610
>not replicated
a smear tunic cannot be replicate? Listen to yourself retard. This make no sense. Any prop-guy can replicate that shit, there's so many pic of it that it make easy.
Again, it doesn't matter because it doesn't prove anything
You're here with your
>Aha! Here! Here! The smoking gun!
like a complete dimwit, when it DOESN'T MATTER, it's IRRELEVANT and it don't prove anything.
>So what? Whatever we made back then should be able to be made now.
You're most likely trolling anyway.
How many people were not done just like their messiah after 1000 years of the kike calendar started? How many were not role-up on some cloth and that was that?
How many forgeries people made back them to gain a few extra bucks? Kek.

>>512014788
we can easily duplicate the "shroud". we just don't know which of the gazillion possible methods were used, partly because we cannot reliably predict which one would fade over 700 years the exact way we see.

>>512015574
Even the kikes at Google Gemini admit that the blood on the Shroud is real. No matter what source I give it wont' be good enough, so just fuck off. Or explain how it was made and can't be duplicated today.

>>512015641
Still not disproven

>>512015685
we have your jew rabbi foreskin, why didn't they get the blood type from that?

>>512013851
the final position would be one in which the "shroud" is folded several times, then extended over the corpse flat like a tarpaulin. the plank of turin.

The Shroud of Turin is a real accurate depiction of Depiction of Jesus. Grow up. And before it was carbon dated to be after the existence of Jesus, you are inhaling, in reality, in fact, in actuality, Pure Copium… Jesus Christ Existed and all who claim he didn’t, are a bunch of sheep.

>>512009987 (OP)
The cloth doesn't actually play a role for christjews to enter heaven.
So why can't christjews divide the cloth to different researchers to establish an actual consensus?

>>512015685
it can be duplicated. we just don't know WHICH method was used.

>>512015641
>a smear tunic cannot be replicate? Listen to yourself retard.
We literally can't replicated it retard. It's not burned on, not painted on, they don't know how it was made and we cannot duplicate it. This is the Smithsonian vid that all the deniers point to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MoDMrcXXj8
And this guy in 2009 in a state of the art lab couldn't do what was done with the Shroud.
>Again, it doesn't matter because it doesn't prove anything
Ok, then prove how it was made. You can't. NOBODY CAN,
>like a complete dimwit, when it DOESN'T MATTER, it's IRRELEVANT and it don't prove anything
So this thing that can't be duplicated "doesn't matter"......
> How many were not role-up on some cloth and that was that?
>How many forgeries people made back them to gain a few extra bucks? Kek.
We can duplicated forgeries today.

>>512015804
Christianity Split away from the Jews. Read your History. Your embarrassing yourself…

>>512015660
>we can easily duplicate the "shroud".
We literally can't. Please post some. You asked me for a source, so please post the source.
> we just don't know which of the gazillion possible methods were used,
There's not a gazillion. And they tried them all.
>partly because we cannot reliably predict which one would fade over 700 years the exact way we see.
Watch this youtube vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MoDMrcXXj8
This is what all the Shroud deniers point to as the most accurate duplication and it looks like crayon smearing.

>>512015756
that's some random guy being cloth up? your kike on a stick is not even a real story, if you had real my first post you would know that, I already disproven.
In fact, it wasn't me that disproven, it was the Templars! Kek!

>>512010600
your satanic false prophet is dead, Jesus Christ is Mohammed's God.

>>512015812
>it can be duplicated. we just don't know WHICH method was used.
But they tried them all. They know it's not painted on, not burned on. They've tried their best to duplicate it and they all FAILED.

>>512015770
>the final position would be one in which the "shroud" is folded several times
How do you know that? And he could have been wrapped over, but the imprint was only on the "inner" layer of the wrapping and the rest was removed or damaged over time.

>>512013871
The entire religion of Islam is a heresy led by an autistic child molester

watch all the atheist seethe and cope when they realise Jim Caviezel was struck by a lightning while on the cross in pation of the christ movie.

>but he made that up broooh
>jewish cabaaal brooo
>mel gibson attacked to this date trying to defend his film
>gaslighted not to talk about all the details that happened during the recording

Jim Caviezel Died After Being Struck by Lightning While Filming Passion of The Christ Movie

YT interview you can check it out.

>>512014788
you sound jewish

>>512016205
>you sound jewish
It's kikes like you that don't believe the Shroud is real you kike faggot.

>>512015830
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relics_associated_with_Jesus
Here you go, tard.
It doesn't prove anything, about nothing, it's just your insane delusion because your a terminally role-playing as a christkike cultist.
Your fairy tale isn't real, it will never be.
David Icke has more chances of being right than any religious nut, from any religion on this clown earth, minus bhuddism, but that's more like a spiritual philosophy than a cult.

It’s real

>>512015889
>You asked me for a source
I told you to post a source, not just another christian repeating the claim. you posted
+ an article published by Peertechz, headquartered in Hyderabad
+ written by a prof of physics
+ who is convinced based on personal revelation that the shroud is genuine
this amounts to a blogpost by literally who. the reason he published through the indian scam is that he avoided scientific review as much as possible. not to mention the article is essentially a homily thinly wrapped in lingo.
so no, you did not provide a source, just a blog post masquerading as one.

>>512016239
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relics_associated_with_Jesus
What am I supposed to do with this. Please explain, retard.
>It doesn't prove anything, about nothing, it's just your insane delusion because your a terminally role-playing as a christkike cultist.
Sure thing, retard. Just ignore that the fact that this image with Jesus' dead body on it can't be duplicated by man for the last 700 years (if you truly believe that was when it originated from).
Please explain how the SHROUD was made.

>>512016035
address this >>512012560 then.
and I said wrapped because the image is multiplicated that way. most likely some mild acid + heating.

>>512016265
>I told you to post a source, not just another christian repeating the claim. you posted
Then I posted Google AI, are they Christian too?
All that word salad and you can't post ONE SOURCE (not even Google AI) saying that the Shroud was duplicated, can be duplicated, or how it was made.
You lose.

>>512016235
KEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKKEKEKKEK
>in a shroud of christ thread

>>512016235
im a white american, and know the shroud niggers are full of shit, and that your leg has been pulled.

>>512015925
Give me the source of it being disproven

>>512016321
>address this >>512012560 then.
I literally did in THIS FUCKING THREAD. Jesus ascended in the vertical position, then turned into a ball of light, hence none of that "the cloth was draped flat against his face" shit.
You keep asking me questions, yet YOU still can't answer HOW IT WAS MADE

>>512016343
>then I posted Google AI
fuck off and die

>>512016239
Do you seethe this much about other religions too?

While not necessary to prove the Gospel, it's a fascinating support:
• The image is burned into the cloth in a way no known method (ancient or modern) can explain.
• 3D qualities are embedded into the image — discovered only through modern technology.
• The wounds match exactly what the Gospels say: pierced hands and feet, scourging, crown of thorns, side wound.
• No pigments, paints, or brushstrokes.
• Pollens and cloth weave match 1st-century Jerusalem.
If one were to believe it were a forgery, it would have to be a miracle-level one — made with no tools or knowledge that existed before microscopes, cameras, or radiation studies.

>>512016433
So one source is bad because it's "too Christian" and another source (that is clearly not Christian) is also bad.
kys you fucking faggot.
Please explain how the Shroud was made and why we can't duplicate it. And no 'Herr derr ther are a bajillion ways!" is not an answer.

>>512016354
>>in a shroud of christ thread
True Christians believe in the Shroud. True kikes like you don't.

>>512016430
>Jesus ascended in the vertical position, then turned into a ball of light, hence none of that "the cloth was draped flat against his face" shit.
this literally makes no sense. so he was yanked up by his head, so the shroud neatly folded itself and went flat both before and behind him?

>>512016356
>and that your leg has been pulled.
The please explain how it was made and why we can't duplicate it today.

>>512016450
Yes, fuck mudslimes and fuck kikes and hindu-jeets too. Other religions are not as invasive and problematic as Abrahamic and Brahamist ones.
And that's just a straight fact, also both branches are mutt-maxing groups of cults.

They didn’t even know what DNA was back in medieval times, let alone much earlier, yet the Shroud has pollen native to Jerusalem on it, and consistent blood which was only discovered by modern technology

>>512016513
>true christians practice idoltry
KEKEKKEKEKKEKHKAKHKHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>512016526
>this literally makes no sense. so he was yanked up by his head,
No, he floated because God pulled him. Holy fuck you autistic retard. Like pic (minus the arms sticking out)
> so the shroud neatly folded itself and went flat both before and behind him?
He was wrapped in it tightly, ascended, turned into light, made imprint, Shroud fell to the ground.
ALL THIS and you still can't answer how it was made.

>>512016560
So you're an angry pagan?

>>512012679
meme flag just making shit up.

>>512016646
>yet the Shroud has pollen native to Jerusalem on it, and consistent blood which was only discovered by modern technology
Bro, stop. Clearly this medieval forger went to Jerusalem, put some of that pollen on his Shroud just in case in 800 years we had things like fiber analysis.

>>512009987 (OP)

That's like a photographic negative, but with light sensitive paint. Normally they paint them over, so they look like paintings.

>>512016655
>>512016430
>even /pol/cucks unironically believe in magical jewish gods from Israel

TOP KEEEEEK!!!!!
No wonder Israel is so powerful when the GOP also believes that.

>>512009987 (OP)
according to the unbiased research and fedora tipper activist research and conjecture it is proven to be legitimate

>>512016714
>That's like a photographic negative, but with light sensitive paint. Normally they paint them over, so they look like paintings.
NOPE.
No pain strokes or paint on the Shroud.

>>512016647
>>512016740
Nice samefag.

>>512016740
Don't forget to tip your fedora

>>512016740
another meme flag. I hope Hamas kills you Christ hater.

>>512016539
we can duplicate it today, but what need would we have to make another useless object that is the irl version of clickbait? you are absolutely silly for thinking we cant.
you can discolor things in any number of ways, for the sake of providing an example, an obscure way is to use electricity, by way of a primitive battery.
you can use warm irons to heat up but not burn the fabric, you can cover the cloth wwith things in shape of the outline, and let the sun bleach what isnt covered.
dont sell humans short by saying we dont have the ingenuity to make unique things from cloth, thats one of our first real, and lasting achievements.

>>512016655
how did it get flattened? it's a 2D image.

>>512016821
>we can duplicate it today,
We can't. See >>512015830

>>512016781
KEKEKKAKHKAHKAHAHAHKAHKLALHLJKSFHJO(FJH)_DFHJ)DFH
/POL/ GOT ITS OWN JUBLIEE FATCHRIST

>>512010130
Its wasn't - its been date corrected to the time of Christ
Face it Shlomo its real

>>512016827
>how did it get flattened? it's a 2D image.
Cloth is flat. Photographs are also 2D.
AGAIN
LOTS of questions for me, but you keep evading
>how was it made?
>why can't we duplicate it today?
Unless you can answer these 2 questions this is your last (you).

>>512016940
>Cloth is flat. Photographs are also 2D.
ok, you are a troll, unless clinically retarded.

>>512016862
>see your last post
not an argument, there are many ways to discolor cloth that do not require pigments.
you are faker and gayer than the shroud itself.

>>512016999
>, there are many ways to discolor cloth that do not require pigments.
You: "USE A BATTERY!" This was supposedly 800 years ago you fucking retard. Why can't we duplicated the Shroud TODAY?

>>512016781
FRANCO AINT KILL NO NUNS
NUNS BRO NUNS
CANT BE DUPED
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
hey are you a christian?

>>512017040
there are notable uses of primitive batteries, likely to electroplate jewelry, going as far back as the BC's
we've known about electricity for millennia, even though it took until quite recently to truly understand it.
stop being a fucking brainlet and a know-it-all at the same time.

we can easily duplicate it, but there is no group or individual that cares enough to do more than simply muse at or about the shroud, as a curio.

>>512017296
>there are notable uses of primitive batteries, likely to electroplate jewelry, going as far back as the BC's
And how many of these werw being used in medieval Europe, retard?
That's all you got? You think some master forger had a battery and made the Shroud? Well, we have batteries NOW, why can't we duplicate the Shroud NOW
>we can easily duplicate it, but there is no group or individual that cares enough to do more than simply muse at or about the shroud, as a curio.
Are you fucking retarded? The youtube vid I posted is the #1 source of "see they can duplicate the Shroud!" from retards like you and that vid is shit (and it's on the fucking Smithsonian channel).
The Shroud CANNOT be duplicated. And until you prove otherwise shut the fuck up you kike faggot.

>>512017445
>well how would they know, they were in europe?
you act like people are as dumb as you, and centuries ago, it was even less true.
>this video is the number one source
no it isnt.

i noticed you ignored the other ways of discoloring the fabric and are sticking the conversation strictly to electroplating because: the other methods are more likely to be the real methods, and you are a TURBO SHILL AND UTTER FAGGOT

>>512016714

could also be template/stencil with xray or some strong light going through but how would that show body instead of bones is beyond my understanding.

>>512017696
>you act like people are as dumb as you, and centuries ago, it was even less true.
Please prove that batteries were used in medieval Europe and that they were used for putting images onto cloth. You legit sound insane.
>no it isnt.
Then post another one. The Italian research who made this Shroud, his name always comes up in these discussions and this is his vid. But please, post a better one.
>i noticed you ignored the other ways of discoloring the fabric
I did not. Why can't we do that NOW? And no "uh, because uh nobody wants to" isn't an answer you fucking retard.

>>512010306
>we repaired the cloth and then took samples.of the rapiared bit.
Lmao shut up, retard.

>>512017860
This is true. The Shroud also was in a fire and got smoke damage. And smoke damage can throw off carbon dating.

>>512010848
>mud flood
So because basements exist the building i work in is 5000 years old with no repair work?

>>512010600

>>512017816
>still cant stop talking about the most obscure of my offered examples
lmao, youre really bad at shilling, obviously som esl brown, your bosses should get their money back, and they should fire you.

you can have a darker color fabric, line it with removable, opaque material and let the sun bleach the exposed portion of the cloth, with no deposition of pigments, dyes, ink, etc.

the real answer about why "we" *dont* do it now, is because you are the only one who cares enough to try, but you simply never attempt it.

>>512017897
What about dust thats a year old? What about the breath that gets stuck in the fibres? I do not believe a man was wrapped in that cloth, then vanished after three days and left an imprint thats very clear. How long after he vanished was the shroud found? Would the collapsed cloth not make the imprint look fucked up. What about the creasing and folded parts? Its all bullshit.

>>512009987 (OP)
So does the Shroud of Turin prove something besides Jesus's existence?
wouldn't the shroud have had to been on him for a long time while he was dead? Does that supposedly disprove the resurrection?

>>512017816
also, you did in fact ignore the other examples of potential methods for duping the shroud, because they btfo your delirious shitposting about "muh mystery"

>>512017989
>>still cant stop talking about the most obscure of my offered examples
One was so batshit insane that it demanded it. PLEASE tell us more about these medieval European batteries that put images onto cloth.
The rest of your examples were so basic that they should be able to use them today...but they don't....because they don't work.
>you can have a darker color fabric, line it with removable, opaque material and let the sun bleach the exposed portion of the cloth, with no deposition of pigments, dyes, ink, etc.
This doesn't account for the detail of the image. And AGAIN, why isn't this done TODAY. I guess some guy in his backyard won't want to solve the riddle of the most popular religious artifact?
You. Are. INSANE.
>the real answer about why "we" *dont* do it now, is because you are the only one who cares enough to try, but you simply never attempt it.
Listen to yourself. The reason why the Shroud is being talked about right now is because some (((researcher))) got funding and put out yet another Shroud study. All this and money flowing around, everyone looking to debunk the Shroud and yet they can't DUPLICATE IT.
You. Are. A. RETARD.

>>512018048
>Its all bullshit.
Then why can't they duplicate the Shroud today?

>>512018092
it proves beyond any reasonable doubt that OP is a tremendous faggot.

>>512018116
>also, you did in fact ignore the other examples of potential methods for duping the shroud,
Like what? You said battery and "hot metal shit". Please post some specific examples.
But in theory, your MEDIEVAL BATTERY should disqualify you because you are clearly a delusional retard.
Repeat: There was not a single person in all of medieval Europe using a BATTERY to put images on a cloth you fucking tardo.

>>512016484
I guess the Holocaust happened since Google AI agrees

>>512018155
>doesnt account for the detail
yes it does. work with enough patience and precision and you can make a really intricate pattern.
>all this and money is flowing around
there it is champ, the magic M-word. youre getting closer to understanding the grift.

>>512018287
>I guess the Holocaust happened since Google AI agrees
This doesn't help your case. Google AI helpl kikes. Saying "there is blood on the Shroud" doesn't help kikes.

>>512009987 (OP)
here you go fren, enjoy

>>512018313
>yes it does. work with enough patience and precision and you can make a really intricate pattern.
Do you need a battery for this? And AGAIN, they can't duplicate it today!
Until you can post evidence of someone duplicating the Shroud this is your last (you).
>there it is champ, the magic M-word. youre getting closer to understanding the grift.
Yeah, it's a grift.
>you: NO ONE CARES TO DO IT
>also you: IT'S ALL A BIG MONEY GRIFT
The Shroud can't be duplicated. You've offered zero evidence to counter this other than insane theories like MEDIEVAL BATTERIES (which I'm still loling over).

>>512018337

Wait we got a Vatican anon here? Nice

>>512018187
>>512018187
>why cant they whip and torture a man, wrap him in cloth, put him in a cave/tomb, make him vanish, and then leave the wrapping for 1500 years
I have zero idea

>>512018455
>I have zero idea
According to everyone here the Shroud was man made in the 1300s. How was it done? Why can't we duplicate this work today?

>>512018435
no i just saved that marvelous redpill and share it when anyone mentions the Holy Shroud of Turin

>>512018245
>not a single person in medieval europe was smart enough to use a battery, and nobody ever used one
theres about as much evidence for that as there is for the shroud being real.
nonetheless, sun bleaching and denaturing the cloth with heat are reasonable methods to achieve these results seen in the shroud.

making supposedly holy/ancient objects was a uniquely complex and terribly commonplace thing centuries ago. back then, you had tons of time on your hands and wouldnt phone it in with things like jesus or mary appearing on your toast.

>>512018411
>40pbtid
you sound distinctly retarded compared to me bud.
l2green-text btw, newfag

>>512018518
>theres about as much evidence for that as there is for the shroud being real.
The Shroud is in front of us and there is more evidence that it's real than battery usage in medieval Europe. Please show some evidence of medieval battery usage in Europe.
>nonetheless, sun bleaching and denaturing the cloth with heat are reasonable methods to achieve these results seen in the shroud.
All debunked. Please educate yourself.
"The Shroud of Turin is not believed to have been created by the sun. Scientific investigations suggest the image on the Shroud was formed by some form of radiation, possibly UV radiation, but not by the sun itself. While some theories propose a solar origin, they lack conclusive evidence and are considered fringe explanations".
At least this is better than your battery theory.
>making supposedly holy/ancient objects was a uniquely complex and terribly commonplace thing centuries ago. back then, you had tons of time on your hands and wouldnt phone it in with things like jesus or mary appearing on your toast.
And we can duplicate all of those things today...except the Shroud.

>>512017907

the statues at world fairs reveal to you.

one is a western cowboy matching the era and made out of scrapped materials. other is masterful a sculpture.

>>512018567
>you sound distinctly retarded compared to me bud.
Says the guy who thinks MEDIEVAL EUROPEANS had access to BATTERIES and were using them to put images onto cloth....
Literally one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

>>512018659
what i said is that you can, not that anyone did. then again, you dont really care about being a dishonest faggot, so the shame rolls off you like water on a duck's back.
enjoy three bags of dicks, its on the house

>>512018812
>what i said is that you can,
That's just as stupid. Please prove that this happened. If you can't, you lose. There were no batteries in medieval Europe and if there were they wouldn't be using them to put images on a fucking cloth. It's amazing how you can't just admit you fucked up and that your theory is one of the most uneducated things ever spouted out.

>>512018490
>why cant we duplicate it
Have we tried? And i dunno. Maybe ots real, if it is it proves that the god we pray to hates us. Jews own us.

>>512018643
Lol the good old world fair. Proves the mudflood once and for all.

>>512018998
>Have we tried?
YES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MoDMrcXXj8
This is from the Smithsonian website and this is considered the best duplication attempt and it fails miserably.
The Shroud isn't paint, it's not burned on, it's not from the sun, best evidence points to UV radiation. It's hard to duplicate when they don't even know what the fuck it is.

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>>512019026

sry wrong reply

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>>512018337
Didn't read.
Christ is God.

>>512019058

sry for derailing this thread i find it extremely tiresome to see you guys fight over this because we dont even have a clear explanation what happened 200-500 years ago with accuracy let alone 1000 years. i truly respect everyone in this thread for opinion i read all of it i just dont know what to say to you guys.

>>512019058
So the deity our prayers goes to actuvely hates us and is allowing our genocide. Wont even pop in for a cup ofbtea to renew the faith of the dwindling masses. It would be quite nice if we got the same consideration as the jews of 2000 years ago and maybe be given some evidence. The shroud isnt enoygh. Just because they say they cant duplicate it doesnt mean they cant. Maybe they disnt want to as that would end christianity and upend rhe global order we have. You and me could do it as a team, no problemo.

>>512009987 (OP)
this has been known for over 30 years, Leonardo trolled everyone

you believer need these things? you failed god, a god that no exist, but you fail anyway

>>512019202
Do you truly believe that buildings in cities are thousands of years old and were semi buried by mud and then europeans found a pre existing half buried country with no people left?

>>512019760

i do truly believe that freemasons hide something between the dates of 1800-1915 and ww1-ww2 because architecture changed very drastically and then returned to box like structures again. during this time everything looked unique compared to every previous century but was wiped out of memory destroyed in a giant demolition and then blamed on a spontaneous series of earthquakes and great fires with no real evidence or chance to happen so simultaneously almost like a nuke went off and got all these buildings gone.

>We show that, when the images formed, the frontal part of the Shroud of Turin laid on a body in the same position as when the blood stains formed by contact. In other words, after the Shroud was laid on top of a body, no forceful flattening occurred before the images formed. Moreover, the argument that the top half of the Shroud could not have been draping a real body when the images formed-to avoid prominent image distortions-is shown to be incorrect. If a cloth is appropriately laid on the front part of a body, and a body image forms by a vertical projection on the cloth, no major image distortions occur.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330311578_The_Turin_Shroud_was_not_flattened_before_the_images_formed

Uh-oh stinky!

>>512016657
I don't sign up to your kike/kike-slave name-calling.
I'm for to take the identity of your demented desert cults away too. vermin.