Which state has the moral right to Colorado River water? - /pol/ (#512012621) [Archived: 24 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: m0N+UJnUUnited States
8/2/2025, 6:54:17 AM No.512012621
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If by area of watershed, it is obviously Arizona.
If by lack of any other source of water, Nevada.
But if by earliest user, California.
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Anonymous ID: EKsJAiKrUnited States
8/2/2025, 6:55:59 AM No.512012707
>>512012621 (OP)
Release the Epstein Files. And Colorado btw
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Anonymous ID: m0N+UJnUUnited States
8/2/2025, 6:56:52 AM No.512012756
>>512012707
>the state is named after the river, therefore the water belongs to that state
This is your logic?
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Anonymous ID: HHSLMmmLUnited States
8/2/2025, 6:56:56 AM No.512012760
>>512012621 (OP)
The Whitest state
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Anonymous ID: IUDBE0R7United States
8/2/2025, 7:00:37 AM No.512012964
>>512012621 (OP)
Yeah this is actually a really big issue. The Californians, Nevadans, and Arizonans desperately need this source of water. This really is one of the things that could potentially cause a civil war eventually and shows the regional division within the United States. California especially desperately needs this sources of water, there's about 18-21 million people that really on it as there lifeline. Its also a very big issue to for Arizona but just not as much people.
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Anonymous ID: rCwpTE27United States
8/2/2025, 7:03:04 AM No.512013095
>>512012964
That's why 7 states have a treaty the Colorado River Compact to determine who gets the water and how much.
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Anonymous ID: wIsLByloUnited States
8/2/2025, 7:13:30 AM No.512013598
BUILD DESALINATION PLANTS ALONG COASTLINES
PUMP WATER INLAND, EVERY 50-100 MILES HAVE WATER PLACED INTO AQUIFERS.
IRRIGATE THE DRY LANDS
REFOREST THE LANDS

YOUR TIME IS RUNNING OUT.
humanity
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Anonymous ID: ScsHu0/vUnited States
8/2/2025, 7:20:40 AM No.512013919
>>512012756
Yes. Also Taiwan belongs to China because it's in the South Chinese sea. If they don't like it they should change the name.
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Anonymous ID: 57Dk8xJfAustralia
8/2/2025, 7:22:03 AM No.512013975
>>512013919
>new mexico
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Anonymous ID: IUDBE0R7United States
8/2/2025, 7:30:48 AM No.512014412
>>512013095
Ok now think about it in a Californian standpoint, it would make sense for the capital of the country to be in California since they are a powerhouse in the country. It is very important for them to have that vital source of water and if you talk to the intelligent classes from the state they get very defensive about it.
Anonymous ID: egG3DWvoMexico
8/2/2025, 7:35:22 AM No.512014620
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>>512013598
to much energy waste we need it for ai goy can't let china wing
Anonymous ID: W2yUY+GaUnited States
8/2/2025, 7:37:32 AM No.512014705
>>512012964
In Las Vegas we recycle most of our water. Yeah I drink poop water, which is why I have a reverse osmosis system.
Anonymous ID: fLDsS+l7Canada
8/2/2025, 7:40:15 AM No.512014819
I do love this place!

It's like being in the brain of a pothead, a random thought turns into a thread, an epic thread btw.
Regardless of intent, absolutely hilarious and ironi! lol
Anonymous ID: F56VAg5MUnited States
8/2/2025, 7:41:53 AM No.512014889
I guess utah because they have flaming George. He probably needs the water more than anyone.
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 7:44:13 AM No.512014985
>>512012760
In that region that would be Utah. In total numbers of non-hispanic whites however, California (15.53 million non-hispanic whites), then Arizona (4.05 million non-hispanic whites), then Colorado (3.88 million non-hispanic whites).

In terms of water contribution, western Colorado followed closely by Arizona (both north and south of the Mogollon rim), and Utah contribute the most rain water and snowmelt to the Colorado river basin. The largest aquifer is by far in Arizona, it is one of the largest western aquifers and is historically recharged by water seepage from the Mogollon rim and its drainages.

The deepest point to bedrock is underneath Phoenix Arizona, at 10,000 feet of topsoil prior to hitting bedrock (also where the aquifer is located). During normal years (not drought years like 2020 and 2025), the lower basin watersheds provide enough water to supply at least 5 million people entirely within the Arizona watershed.

In terms of energy, Arizona generates the most energy of any western US state in the south pacific and continental divide region, it provides energy to at least 20 million people, most of whom are in southern California and Arizona and southern Nevada. Most of this energy actually does not come from river dams but instead from the one of the largest nuclear power plants in the USA and world in the Sonoran desert of Arizona west of Phoenix.
Anonymous ID: DNsJbjZgCanada
8/2/2025, 7:46:33 AM No.512015094
>>512012621 (OP)
Are you seriously asking which state has the rights to the COLORADO river? Hmmm i wonder...
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Anonymous ID: PCMSiSu8
8/2/2025, 7:48:26 AM No.512015156
>>512012621 (OP)
Mexico, you Gringos shouldn't even be here.
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Anonymous ID: 8+VllfrPUnited States
8/2/2025, 7:50:43 AM No.512015259
>>512015156
And which region of Mexico would have the rights to that water, beaner?
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 7:52:22 AM No.512015332
>>512015094
By basin area, and closely a tie to total water contribution. Arizona. Yet it is California that takes about over half of the total lower basin allotments despite contributing less than 5% of the total water volume. In the upper basin Colorado takes again, over half of the total water allotments this is because the western slope of Colorado contributes about 80% of the total water use in Colorado state. The Front range is a desert and it has to have water pumped from the west slope to supplant usage.

The most fucked state by far and really the *only* state that is fucked, is Nevada. Over 90% of the population of NV depends entirely upon the Colorado river, while the NV watersheds contribute less than 5% of the total water volume to the river like CA.
Anonymous ID: +EOnns5vUnited States
8/2/2025, 7:55:01 AM No.512015478
Take a page from Poojeetistan and shit in the river upstream
Anonymous ID: nGOlbGhJBrazil
8/2/2025, 7:55:04 AM No.512015483
>>512013975
New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire, etc
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Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 7:58:29 AM No.512015636
>>512015483
New mexico was actually named so before Mexico was officially. Similarilly, the San Francisco peaks of Arizona were named so more than 100 years before San Francisco California got its name.
Nemo ID: V/K94q/0United States
8/2/2025, 8:11:12 AM No.512016185
>>512012621 (OP)
California so long as they were first to put it to substantial use
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Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 8:24:26 AM No.512016748
>>512016185
The first dam on the actual Colorado river was built by Arizona (1909-1912). The first million acre ft storage reservoir on a tributary of the Colorado river was the Theodore Roosevelt dam entirely within Arizona c1905-1911, it has historically been the only dam that consistently refills to 99% capacity during most winters. The first canals in the Colorado river basin were built by ancient native Americans c1500-2500 years ago in what is now Phoenix, Arizona (which retains some of the ancient canals and built over others).

The first ancient canal builders were believed to be related to modern Hohokam and Pima (and O'odham) peoples, that is modern Uto-Aztecan speakers, they are also believed to have built the ancient mountain rock castles in the wet mountainous forests of central Arizona before the Athabaskan speaking native Americans raided and settled what is now Arizona and the four corners largely within the last 1,000 years, in the case of Apaches within the last 300-400 years only and they came from the plains in the east, the Navajo were present earlier but only in northern Arizona and were enemies to the Apaches despite both speaking the same language family and ultimately coming from Alaskan peoples. The Athabaskan speakers are also the most recent immigrants from Asia among all native Americans, and their language family actually survives in Russia in the Yenniseian language and people. Even eastern native Americans have been in the Americas longer than Athabaskan speakers.
Anonymous ID: dY4fLnFcUnited States
8/2/2025, 8:26:12 AM No.512016834
>>512015156
Native Calmex guy here, California IS Mexico. But we shouldn't be too dependent on the river that might eventually lead to a water war. None of those states east of us are friendly. We'd also have more to gain by being a neutral party and then getting concessions from the winner. As for how to maintain a sustainable population in the south, we'd have to increase our reservoirs and capacities. Something which we are already doing. We also have to throw the fish advocates into the river (or sea) and say fuck you to the salmon. The TDT and Patagonia shills are all anglo-jews that want to make this state uninhabitable for us. They've tried everything. Not least of which one of the highest COL in a the world for such a large political subdivision. Too bad we are too resilient. And as a reminder, our wealthy agro and industrial corporations use 80% of our water. Charge them more for water use, and make the feds tariff all competing crops to lessen the burden on them. BTW, we already treat 1 trillion gallons for drinking water. 20% of what the EU does while only having 5% of their population.
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Anonymous ID: Kq24cH1qUnited States
8/2/2025, 8:27:45 AM No.512016903
>>512016834
mexico lost a war AND was paid for land. California is america.
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Anonymous ID: RTfg2w0JUnited States
8/2/2025, 8:27:59 AM No.512016916
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Anonymous ID: E+hmyoGXUnited States
8/2/2025, 8:28:29 AM No.512016943
>>512016834
>California IS Mexico
1847 made it very clear that California is NOT Mexico.
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Anonymous ID: MQVRJtvKUnited States
8/2/2025, 8:28:42 AM No.512016958
>>512012964
California has enough water for 100 million people we dump it out into the ocean to possibly protect one kind of fish, the delta smelt. This is your brain on liberal delusion.
Anonymous ID: dY4fLnFcUnited States
8/2/2025, 8:31:53 AM No.512017123
>>512016903
California is part of America. Always has been and will continue to be so. Just like France is a part of Europe and always will be.
>>512016943
The US should have protected the border better of the land they stole then. Not my problem. Imagine how embarrassing they felt at the White House seeing so many people wave the state's national flag. Oh yeah, we all heard the seethe.
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Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 8:36:34 AM No.512017308
>>512016834
Most of California's acre ft of water generation is used up by exotic crop farmers, the majority of which in central valley CA and southern CA. Most of which are owned by or financed by super corporations and wealthy jews living in California and elsewhere.

The only state in the south pacific to rewild some of its rivers was Arizona, the reintroduction of wild river otters and beavers in the desert and temperate sections of rivers actually increased average water flow volume. Allowing plant communities to regrow on banks also increased water volume and flow and duration. A single study area in the Chiricahua mountains of SE AZ also built between 2,000 and 20,000 rock dams on intermittent creeks first for fun then for science and ecology. And the result was multiple intermittent streams becoming perennial or permanently flowing streams year round, without detriment to fish populations who get through small holes in rock dams or jump over them. Dryland farming occurs in Phoenix Arizona successfully, with no added water contributions, this is achieved using native species and hardy species like Amaranth, various beans, and even wheat. Exotic crop farming depletes the Gila river to a dry wash within 30 miles after Safford Arizona due to cotton farming, and again between the river becomes completely dry between Hayden and Florence AZ usually, due to intensive industrial farming of exotic crops. Prior to exotic crop farming the Gila river flowed for its entire length into the Colorado river, over 100 miles through a desert that gets to 120F and averages 5 inches of annual rainfall.
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Anonymous ID: Kq24cH1qUnited States
8/2/2025, 8:44:52 AM No.512017685
>>512017123
land is never stolen, that's some leftist virtue signalling bs man. if it wasn't defended by force, it'll get stripped away immediately by a stronger entity

i tell anti-gun retards similar: those dollars in your pocket, that house you sleep in, the laws enforced, the wealthy people running this country, your freedom to live and have rights, ALL of it is maintained at the barrel of a gun
Anonymous ID: HImLtOE7Germany
8/2/2025, 8:50:33 AM No.512017911
>>512012621 (OP)
California should get absolutely nothing. All their "watershed" for he river is barren fucking Mojave desert where it rains lik 3" and it all soaks into he sand before it gets there. Arizona gets heavy monsoons and 20" inches of rain up on the plateau. Utah and Colorado have high mountains that generate snowmelt. And Nevada contributes jack shit but at last they arent frivolous wasting it. They should get all they can take to reduce California's share. Ideally arizona should dam up the grand canyon and let it take decades to fill up then divert it all eastward.
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Anonymous ID: dY4fLnFcUnited States
8/2/2025, 8:55:13 AM No.512018104
>>512017308
Are you an anthropologist or some type of environmental science guy? I'm not too versed on Arizona's water practices. I do know about the Saudi alfalfa controversy a couple years back making it to the news. But typically local news always talk about the crazy fish people and nimbys. If you grew up here, you know how much they push environmental science on kids. They've drilled into us our "water" problem and conservation since 3rd grade. Which is fine, I find it interesting too, especially the ecological stuff. Nothing is a simple fix, I was honestly just speaking in generalities.
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Anonymous ID: dY4fLnFcUnited States
8/2/2025, 8:57:41 AM No.512018225
>>512017911
Are you forgetting how much commerce goes through the southern part of our state? Since most of it comes from Asia now, it stops there first. Also, no hard feelings about getting deindustrialized?
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Anonymous ID: Gqkev9LkUnited States
8/2/2025, 8:59:29 AM No.512018306
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>>512012621 (OP)
none of them haahaha get fucked desert fags
Anonymous ID: HImLtOE7Germany
8/2/2025, 8:59:41 AM No.512018314
>>512018104
The Saudi thing is kind of overplayed...still a bullsit situation, but they have been made to pay more or had to reduce their pumping iirc. It was just a couple wells in a localized area...but stories like that get a lot of "enagement" so the story sells big. They should still fuck off though
Anonymous ID: cpQbuBOwUnited States
8/2/2025, 9:01:42 AM No.512018400
>>512017911
>All their "watershed" for he river is barren fucking Mojave desert where it rains lik 3" and it all soaks into he sand before it gets there. Arizona gets

you have no idea what you're talking about. it snows everywhere in southern california at elevation
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Anonymous ID: HImLtOE7Germany
8/2/2025, 9:06:23 AM No.512018593
>>512018225
Nobody gives a fuck about california. You have multiple other sources of water you can get but you refuse to. Your corrupt nigger tier state would rather pocket high speed train money than build reservoirs or desalination. The states that contribute the water WILL build the infrastructure to capture and divert their share of the water when the need comes and california will be fucked because it is too corrupt to get a project done. All the other states voted against you and you had to reduce your share the last time an agreement is made. Arizona also sells your part of their share right now...that won't last forever. Tick tock Cali Wali.

Also, I'm not a gerturkman...just here for work.
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Anonymous ID: cpQbuBOwUnited States
8/2/2025, 9:08:08 AM No.512018654
>>512018593
you are literally talking out of your ass at this point, you don't know jack shit about this place
Anonymous ID: HImLtOE7Germany
8/2/2025, 9:08:24 AM No.512018662
>>512018400
And the watershed for southern California is either the Santa Ana River, or it flows to basins in the Mohave or imperial valley...all places you wouldn't want to drink from. I lived in Southern California for over 30 years BTW. I knew to lave before it dries up.
Anonymous ID: CtYQJ9EKUnited States
8/2/2025, 9:09:56 AM No.512018726
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>>512012621 (OP)
>But if by earliest user, California.
Holy shit do you actually think rivers start from the ocean and flow uphill to the mountains with salt water?
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Anonymous ID: CtYQJ9EKUnited States
8/2/2025, 9:11:38 AM No.512018805
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>>512018104
You're just stupid. Almond trees take a ridiculous amount of water to grow and California is using all the water to grow Almond trees for Almond milk, and the Almond milk takes an insane amount of Almond trees to make. Almond milk should just not exist
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Anonymous ID: 2kBSENjOFinland
8/2/2025, 9:14:45 AM No.512018941
>>512013598
B-b-but that would permanently solve goy problems! It would empower the goyim! We can't have that!
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 9:16:29 AM No.512019020
before and after cattle hydrology effects
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>>512018104
I do extensive research for fun and have been to every corner of AZ and seen every mountain range in AZ with my eyes. I've lived in AZ my entire life but was born in California.

The reason many southern California and AZ washes are mostly dry now is due to various practices done by industrial corporations and poor city management, and also do to economic benefit (namely exotic crop farming for profit on industrial scale, where most of the farmland is actually not for subsistence food production locally).

-concrete linings, they separate the water table partially from the aerial processes and most importantly soil moisture processes from plants. Every wash even extremely dry ones actually have flowing water underground beneath them. To coax the water back up you need either good climate conditions or you need to create an ecological moisture retention program through rock dams (slow the water and build sediment), building green banks (slows water and builds sediment), and shade. All of which raise the water table.
-industrial and exotic or excessive farming pumping operations, this depletes the river water levels to unsustainable levels to maintain equilibrium between evaporation and seepage vs total inflow and precipitation. This also depletes ground water and soil moisture, and thus kills plants off further drying the soil and air and creating a decertifying feedback loop. It is possible to farm on large scales with less exotic and hardy species for local and widespread food production, but it is less profitable to do so which is why many jews and normal farmers do not like this.
-cattle farming beyond the capacity of a watershed, cattle can literally reduces total flow volumes on rivers in semi-arid climates by more than 50%. They do this by trampling and eating all bank vegetation and shade tree saplings, this reduces soil and air moisture and lowers the water level while raising the evaporation rate and water turbidity.
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Anonymous ID: vFHZPnMFUnited States
8/2/2025, 9:22:20 AM No.512019264
>>512012621 (OP)
Brainlet take, but going to say Colorado cause it has the same name.
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Anonymous ID: Jsxhmv9JUnited States
8/2/2025, 9:31:02 AM No.512019643
The problem is that states arent countries and people have freedom of movement in the US.
Let's say Utah takes more water and california doesn't get what it needs and life gets harder there.

Californians will just move to Utah.
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 9:31:54 AM No.512019672
>>512019264
Before 1921 the river was called the grand river in English. IMO the two states with the most right to the river water are Colorado and Arizona, followed closely by Utah. The Gila and Salt-Verde river systems entirely within Arizona (and teensy section of NM) generates between 1.5-3 million acre ft of water annually, which is enough to sustain at least 5 million people if managed correctly. For a comparison the entire basin is managed for about 14-15 million total acre ft for the entire system in all states. The two biggest water generators are the west slope of the CO rockies and the Mogollon Rim of Arizona, follow closely by the central Utah mountain ranges eastern basin. All of which have heavily forested mountains with hundreds of thousands of perennial springs and areas with average precipitation exceeding 30 inches.
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Anonymous ID: bNTGjETQUnited States
8/2/2025, 9:33:02 AM No.512019724
>>512012621 (OP)
Washington DC says it belongs to California.
Anonymous ID: HImLtOE7Germany
8/2/2025, 9:34:25 AM No.512019777
>>512019020
>that pic
I'm not saying cattle don't ruin everything and all that permaculture stuff doesn't work, but even if you took away the cattle...that stream and pool could easily dry up just because it didn't rain.
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Anonymous ID: bNTGjETQUnited States
8/2/2025, 9:40:16 AM No.512019993
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>>512019020
I heard that Twentynine Palms was cattle grazing land in the 1940s.
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 9:42:03 AM No.512020082
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>>512019672
Pic related Arizona forest. Large forested areas visibly generate rain clouds on satellite and aerial surveys. Forest rain clouds typically start out scattered then gradually build into huge storm systems during the day (and rarely the night). In Utah, its big lakes also generate a feedback loop of lake effect rain and snow. The artificial Theodore Roosevelt dam has a similar but smaller effect on teh Sierra Ancha of central Arizona, it increases rainfall and snowfall which increases spring hydrology flows. More pics incoming for demonstrative purposes. Pic related is a typical montane temperate riparian forest in AZ. Banks are dominated by numerous deciduous shade tree species and herby and woody undercover plants.
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 9:46:40 AM No.512020288
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>>512019777
Perennial springs have continuously run in parts of the intermountain west for thousands of years. Including through the little ice age extreme droughts. Like springs in Europe, they can run for thousands of years unchanged, but are sensitive to pumping and ecology changes. The Salt-Verde system in Arizona has at least 1,000 perennial springs. Cattle have been observed to destroy them almost immediately upon the feds allowing grazing allotments near springs. I'm not against cattle farming, just against its use in sensitive watersheds and springs. You can dryland graze cattle in a huge area of northern Arizona's high desert plains easily without damaging tiny montane temperate watersheds.

Pic, non-riparian montane forest in AZ. Dominated by conifers, typically 70/30 conifer to deciduous. Less underbrush cover but the expansive nature of these forests generates significant local rainfall and snowfall over huge areas.
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Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 9:50:11 AM No.512020441
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>>512020288
Next, low desert river in foreground, high elevation montane forest in background. Most springs and water is generated by the mountains which predominantly grow at elevation and on the mountains in the west.

The foreground of this image is bwh hot desert climate, the mountain in the background which I visited as well gets between 35-45 inches of annual precipitation and has numerous springs and perennial fish creeks. The montane environments are Canada zone, or humid continental climates.
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Anonymous ID: Q8acGE67United States
8/2/2025, 9:53:32 AM No.512020570
>>512012621 (OP)
>>512018726
hahahahahahahaha
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 9:54:00 AM No.512020588
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>>512020441
Next, this picture is literally taken right below that peak in the background. The pictured creek here flows into the desert river contributing to its total water volume. Pic was also taken during a drought in the driest month of summer. If left pristine these creeks and springs almost never dry up. This is because the spring water is actually pumped uphill by underground osmotic and pressure processes from ground water. This is also how springs can occur at almost the very tops of mountains despite having very tiny basin areas.
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Anonymous ID: dY4fLnFcUnited States
8/2/2025, 9:58:27 AM No.512020770
>>512018805
I just turn bolts with wrenches and honestly don't aspire for more. But who the hell drinks almond milk? I thought most of you guys were lactose tolerant throughout your lifetime. Seems like a gay product desu.
Anonymous ID: TOP28Bg3United States
8/2/2025, 10:04:42 AM No.512021034
>>512012621 (OP)
>But if by earliest user, California.
what
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 10:06:27 AM No.512021110
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>>512020588
Here is a completely different spring that emerges from hundreds of feet of solid rock. The natural pumping action (pressure and osmotic processes) is actually poorly understood in modern science. Some of these springs are not merely underground rivers, they are actual uphill flows that emerges at higher elevations and cannot be completely attributed to runoff or higher elevation seepage.

In medieval and ancient Europe and around most temperate regions of the world, ancient peoples venerated natural springs and attributed healing or religious properties to them. The only scientific evidence possible for the healing attributes is due to negative ion generation and mineral compounds and sometimes alkaline waters coming from natural springs. But this too is actually poorly studied. In Europe many cathedrals were built on top of natural springs that have flowed for thousands of years continuously, and the same sites previously housed pagan sites before christianity on them for the same purposes.
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Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 10:20:30 AM No.512021656
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>>512021110
Here is another low desert creek, this one is actually intermittent. It is in a bwh climate and flows on average for about 4-7 months of the year. Due to unique geography some hydrology channels will actually flow for certain section then go dry due to seepage geography, then re-emerge at lower elevations or in canyons where the bedrock is closer to the surface. But this is an example of a natural intermittent creek that flows mostly during winter in a climate similar to Phoenix Arizona, something most people assume is impossible. In the past larger basins and river would flow year round through the mountains all the way to Yuma, Arizona which is a giga shithole desert 2bh, literally hyper-arid.

Also as mentioned before, dry washes actually carry underground water flow in the actual wash channel above the bedrock. Ancient Iranians took advantage of this by making qanats, to direct this above bedrock groundwater to human use. It is also as mentioned, possible to coax flows back above ground by natural processes.
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Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 10:39:06 AM No.512022366
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>>512021656
Another factor in western hydrology is flash flooding. Flash flooding can occur in both winter and summer (everywhere except CA usually because the monsoons stop at the eastern side of CA mountain ranges typically). The variable nature of the flows makes it difficult to use for humans, but the natural ecology is well adapted to flooding. The main use humans have for flash flooding is to quickly refill reservoirs. If you build reservoirs in sequence, you can possibly significantly extend the total flow of a flash flooding event or season, making it last through the dry season even in giga shithole deserts. The downside is huge dams can destroy native fish populations by interrupting seasonal migration and breeding, making the water temperature much cooler and less turbid downstream, and withholding sediment action downstream which adversely effects plants living in the flood zones and on banks. Typically the best place to put dams ecologically would be in tight canyons where banks are tiny or almost non-existent.

Full dams differ from rocks dams by the fact that rock dams only slow down flow but still allow sediment to pass through after it builds up first. Rock dams also allow fish to pass through. Rock dams are not ideal on the larger rivers or creeks, but can be ideal on smaller perennial or intermittent creeks. As they build sediment, increase soil moisture and raise water levels, and allow for plant growth on banks, and they somewhat stabilize extreme floods by slowing the water down and keeping it around longer.

Pic related is a monsoon flooded river, it doesn't look it but it's actually more than 12 feet deep in the middle, probably closer to 15-20 ft.
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 11:17:50 AM No.512023873
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The last thing I will cover is plant diversity and adaptations. Arizona and California have extreme biological diversity, CA having at least 6,000 native vascular plant species and AZ having at least 4,500 native vascular plant species. Some of these species are extremely adapted to drought and desert climates. In fact some of these native species are the most drought hardy edible plants and plants in general in the world. To list a few productive food crops that can survive and even thrive in a Yuma, AZ climate.

-Tepiary bean and a multitude of other beans, most extreme food crop in the world
-Amaranth/quinoa species, a pseudo grain that can be used like a grain and is more nutritious and productive per acre than wheat
-Native American Mexican and Arizonan squash, both wild and cultivated species, some of which can thrive off of limited wet seasons or even survive the dry season with fruits.
-Native American corn varieties, it is thought corn first emerged near this region and exploded in diversity after domestication, some Arizona varieties can grow well in 6 inches of average rainfall.
-Wild legumes and aster species, including sunflower family root tubers and seeds, and plants like mesquite which have edible bean like seed that can also be used like wheat flour. Can also makes various herbal flower teas.
-Cacti fruit and paddles.

The typical planting strategy for natives was to plant them in dry washes where the water level was not too deep or to plant them in channels that would flood during the wet season. There were also completely dryland strategies. Wild mesquite forests could also feed thousands of people but required a great deal of harvesting and preparation effort. Crop rotation and legume planting cycles also regenerated soils rather than depleted them. It also helps that AZ has a large amount of desert loam and general riparian loam, but the montane areas of AZ have top class growing soil as well due to the long established forests.
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 11:41:01 AM No.512024769
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One little bonus, Arizona has 5 native treefrog species (Hylidae). Many of which live in temperate riparian canyons near springs. Others can survive without water for several years, a feat as impressive as the northern Alaskan Wood frogs and Salamandrella keyserlingii (Siberian Salamander) that can survive several years frozen solid and survive -50C temps. Pic related is the canyon treefrog, the most common one I find in canyons. Their native habitat is fairly sensitive to ecology changes (like introduction of cattle in a small watershed or near a spring).
Anonymous ID: XxrQU+jeGermany
8/2/2025, 11:43:22 AM No.512024889
>>512012621 (OP)
bavaria
Anonymous ID: cnjwJgfjUnited States
8/2/2025, 11:53:10 AM No.512025301
>>512012621 (OP)
Colorado exclusively

Dam it up and route it in a big circle around Colorado's border

It will be our moat

Fuck arizona fuck california
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Anonymous ID: XxrQU+jeGermany
8/2/2025, 11:55:11 AM No.512025379
>>512025301
why do you think it can compete with the neutral and fair bavarian claim?
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Anonymous ID: cnjwJgfjUnited States
8/2/2025, 11:57:11 AM No.512025471
Most Americans dont know this unless you live out west

But

Some rich guy owns the river and you cant touch it or even look at it

Its not like the rest of America where any river is yours to enjoy

The western states need to be taught what freedom means

They made a bunch of deals with mexicans 200 years ago and are still working off that
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Anonymous ID: cnjwJgfjUnited States
8/2/2025, 11:58:02 AM No.512025509
>>512025379
We have our own bavaria in colorado

And a switzerland
Anonymous ID: UbyKDIs6United States
8/2/2025, 11:59:31 AM No.512025585
>>512012621 (OP)
Epstein Island
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 12:07:28 PM No.512025925
>>512025471
There are huge swaths of the river and its tributaries entirely surrounded by free access public land, especially in AZ and UT. The thing is the CO river itself is a scorching hot desert climate for its entire length in AZ and nearly its entire length in UT.
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Anonymous ID: cnjwJgfjUnited States
8/2/2025, 12:12:13 PM No.512026110
>>512025925
Its a white concept that no man can own a river

Its a dirty 1800s spanish terrirtory concept that one guy with a bunch of cows can tell everyone its his river

Be white
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Anonymous ID: puph8NspUnited States
8/2/2025, 12:16:02 PM No.512026264
mormons
mormons
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tfrpo94vKY

Not reading all that frfr, I'll save you time/effort
>The Mormons do
As someone who's lived in most of the South West because Ranch Shit. The Mormons can take that shit over by force if you step on their toes so to speak. The US Government already lost a war to them when they were a little Cult founding the State.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Ew8RuUmbE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbxurl1CXRI
They actually did arm the Injuns and it was survivor's of the all the Tribes who didn't want to live in the Res. History is lot different then the government copes or Mormon's nice washing the small wars that made the area.

This is why you'll never keep that water shed if you plan on ruling it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tfrpo94vKY
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Anonymous ID: cnjwJgfjUnited States
8/2/2025, 12:18:42 PM No.512026376
>>512026264
Mormons are a stain

You arent allowed to look aryan and have an 80 IQ

Thats not cool
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 12:21:48 PM No.512026505
>>512026110
You cannot own the water in a river, creek, or wash in Arizona, you can only apply for rights to take said water for your own use. But it is completely free and unregulated to collect as much rainwater as you want that falls on your property in AZ and NM. You can also drill your own well or a community well and have ponds. Ranchers that get permission to graze or water their cattle on BLM or USFS land also do not own said public land or water itself, though they often act like they own it. Ranchers generally act like low IQ niggers in the west and contribute very little to the total food production of their said states, gibs me dat and dats mine behavior. In Utah the Green River primarily has the free access public land, while in AZ it is below the Grand Canyon, the feds charge entrance fees to NPS lands but not typically BLM and especially not USFS land.
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Anonymous ID: cnjwJgfjUnited States
8/2/2025, 12:23:29 PM No.512026574
>>512026505
I havent explored arizona

But colorado's rivers are all blocked off by fences because of ranchers

Its very not free

t. from a state that you can fully navigate by boat
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Anonymous ID: ctQl2Zv/United States
8/2/2025, 12:24:26 PM No.512026619
>>512012621 (OP)
Kansas
Anonymous ID: puph8NspUnited States
8/2/2025, 12:25:13 PM No.512026645
Easy mode
Easy mode
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>>512026264

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPSp8sJsbmM
Anonymous ID: ouhVL/g/United States
8/2/2025, 12:28:49 PM No.512026803
>>512026574
Oh ranchers are assholes here to. Luckily there's areas where they do not get grazing or water rights and where they cannot own land along many rivers. The best rivers and creeks in AZ are mostly all on USFS land, which grants the least amount of grazing rights to ranchers of the public land service types other than NPS (who instead charge access fees to the public). You can freely access large sections of the CO river in AZ around lake Havasu city, Fort Mohave and Yuma. Crop farmers are still in those areas however but they aren't as obnoxious as cattle farmers and don't own all of the shoreline or access points.
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Anonymous ID: cnjwJgfjUnited States
8/2/2025, 12:31:25 PM No.512026912
>>512026803
Imagine for a moment a rancher standing before God waiting to be judged

God bursts out laughing "hey gabriel come here! this is the guy that thinks he owns the river hahahahaha"
Anonymous ID: puph8NspUnited States
8/2/2025, 12:39:14 PM No.512027254
TND
TND
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>>512026574
You really don't know shit. Reddit spacing and chat bot posting.
We're taking Colorado as well commie bitch
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Anonymous ID: cnjwJgfjUnited States
8/2/2025, 12:40:20 PM No.512027298
>>512027254
The spacing is for your feeble mind to grasp the idea
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Anonymous ID: puph8NspUnited States
8/2/2025, 1:20:23 PM No.512029117
Derpa3
Derpa3
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>>512027298
literally did not read or give two shits about whatever Idea's an npc thinks they have.
This parcel is the only reason you found out about this Area to begin with. I already knew about it and Also : the Columbia River Plateau, The Ozark Plateau, The Rockies, The Sierra's, The Appalachian Mountain's, The Mississippi Delta, The Barrer Islands system on the Golf Coast, The Cave Systems through out these area's and of course your mom's cunt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uEaIXYoOPA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5r5upF1R9M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSd9TBJnaN0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bVpVbHESog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXmnmvDl-ao
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Anonymous ID: cnjwJgfjUnited States
8/2/2025, 1:25:20 PM No.512029375
>>512029117
You're not very bright
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Anonymous ID: puph8NspUnited States
8/2/2025, 1:25:50 PM No.512029396
Governmetn-Cheese
Governmetn-Cheese
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That's Right Glowniggers.
I know where the Cheeses and spam DuMbs are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVx1mJDeUjY
Anonymous ID: HImLtOE7Germany
8/2/2025, 1:26:21 PM No.512029428
>>512026505
The creek thing in Arizona only applies if its named on a map. You can dam up a wash if it isn't named. Ranchers do it for tanks but nobody else is gonna have an excavator or spend 100 grand to dig a sizeable one.
Anonymous ID: Oc7GuwVwUnited States
8/2/2025, 1:30:44 PM No.512029643
>>512012621 (OP)
By name, Colorado.
Anonymous ID: puph8NspUnited States
8/2/2025, 1:40:01 PM No.512030110
(you) have to go back.
(you) have to go back.
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>>512029375
Sure, if you just keep saying that while not disputing the fact what you think doesn't matter.
If the Mormons Chimp out. It's theirs.
Your opinion does not matter, I don't need to read your blog. If it can't be meme'd it's a shit Idea. It's how I-(we) have always won the meme war. You have no inner voice or can't see an image of an apple in your head. But you can dear diary away like it's reddit. Even if your a /pol/ tard zoomer you need to-- never mind, you need vision to see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q6l0tFwcv4
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Anonymous ID: cnjwJgfjUnited States
8/2/2025, 1:45:02 PM No.512030328
>>512030110
You are braindead