Why aren't you growing any food, Anon?
It's extremely rewarding and takes a very modest investment of time, effort and money. Then, if the worst happens and food becomes even more stupidly expensive than it is now, it will affect you less than it would today.

>>512080252 (OP)
this is a great thread, i wish it would get more upvotes

>>512081158
In these threads, it's more about the quality of the posters than quantity.

>>512081262
some those kiwis remind me of cherry tomatoes

>>512081364
The red colouration on some varieties of hardy kiwi is actually a sun tan. That said, the plants generally have leaves covering the fruit, so if you really want vivid colouration, you want to prune those leaves.

Same deal as strawberries.

Also, it's worth noting that those kiwis have smooth skins and can be eaten whole like a grape.
The only downside to growing them is that they are not self-fertile. The male plants tend to look very vibrant, though, so they're often planted on their own just for the ornamental value.

If you already have mature trees on your property, you really lose nothing by planting some sort of fruiting vine next to it.

Have you looked at the price of grapes? It's nuts and most of the ones at the store taste like WATER.

A grape vine costs less than 2 kg of grapes.
Do you have any idea how many grapes a vine can give you over its life?

>But that's just one vine
If you find a fruit you like that does really well where you live, you can propagate it, so one vine you purchase now could become a whole vineyard if you really want (though I do recommend you grow a good variety of plants).

>>512081589
The acai hardy kiwi is self polinating but doesn't produce as much fruit and is a little less hardy than the northern hardy kiwi. Still worthwhile though

I live in a pod. I used to grow some things (peas, broccoli, tomatoes, potatoes, others) when I lived in my parents basement but they sold the house and moved away a while ago

I started my own garden last year after not doing any gardening since helping my grandpa when I was a kid. Last year an old guy I go to church with gave me some bean sprouts that he said came from his wife's grandfather's farm so they're over 100 year old heirloom plants. He also gave me some tomatoes and they just regrew themselves this year. It has been a lot of fun. And definitely rewarding, maybe even spiritually so

>>512080252 (OP)
my home grown food

>>512080252 (OP)
>Why aren't you growing any food, Anon?
i don't know what i'm doing nor where to start. thank you anon for trying to inspire others.

venting: honestly no one helps me with anything nor asks me about myself, they just want to talk about themselves. i've worked with about 100 people for 3 years, talked to everyone and given them advice/help on things, only one person has ever asked me about my personal life and that was a formal closed-room 1-on-1 interview by someone else's boss trying to "get to know everyone" (get promoted). in social scenarios it's all business with work complaining or complaining about spouse/kids stuff. i feel like everyone forgot how to socialize, conversations are not a one-way street.... (disclaimer: my mom calls me asking how i'm doing, but she's the only one.)

>>512080252 (OP)
If you own land or any vacant space, you should be cultivating it. If you're a rentfag, you're stuck with whatever the grocery store is providing.

>>512081924
Are the expensive grapes imported from Chile?

>>512080252 (OP)
I have a garden. I'd post it but you weird niggers might doxx me for my strawberries and bussy.

>>512083318
It's really not as intimidating as people try to make it seem, Anon. Local plant nurseries will have a good idea of what grows in your area, so I'd start there.

>>512083318
It really is like Covid lockdowns made us all autistic. The only people I meet that seem normal are elderly, and when I meet a young person that behaves like a normal person, I'm taken back by it.

>>512080252 (OP)
>It's extremely rewarding
Agreed
>a very modest investment of time, effort
Nigga you crazy, I love gardening but it takes a shit ton of effort and time, if you don't tend your garden all your goodies get eaten by deer and bugs and you end up with a garden full of weeds. I spend at least two hours in the garden everyday during season which isn't much for a job but I need at least a 10x bigger garden to make enough money for it to be my job and I'd imagine that'd also be a 10x increase in the amount of time I need to spend in it.

>>512084721
Honestly, I don't sweat it too much if I lose a little bit of the harvest to the local squirrels and birds.
Fuck Japanese beetles, though.
>Deer
At least they're edible.

>>512081924
Those are some tasty looking grapes, my vines just fruited this year for the first time since I planted them three seasons ago. I planted Niagara white grapes, they taste awesome but the meat is gelatinous and not a good texture, will keep them and make juice and jam. Also did Catawbas and they have great flavor and a good texture but the nigger birds keep picking them off before the whole bunch is ready. Also planted a Reliance and it was slow to take off but it did this year but no fruit and I planted some Concords this year.

>>512085189
Montreal blue grapes are fantastic. Strongly recommend if you get the chance to try them.
If you really have bird problems, you should try netting.

>>512080252 (OP)
wiiger you can't even own a cow without land promptly go fuck yourself

>>512080252 (OP)
I live in the mountoids
Fuck timmy supposed to grow up here?

>>512084917
>At least they're edible
I can't remember the last time I bought beef, that's all the red meat I eat.

I think I finally kept them out of the garden this year though, I welded two 6' T posts together and put them 3' in the ground and ran 4' high hogwire around then did 3 courses of stainless steel cable about every 18" above that and bent 16' cattle panels into arches for my entryways and put a canvas curtain as a doorway, so far so good

>>512083274
oy vey...
I never knew antisemitism could be so delicious!

>>512085349
A lot of berries actually quite enjoy the shade. They are used to living under trees.

>>512085292
>you should try netting
I'm going to next season, I really hate netting but the birds seriously cleaned me out way before they were ready to pick

>>512085627
Ah, that's frustrating.
At least wait until they're ripe!

>>512083274
Well done! Very healthy choice of fruit.

>>512085349
Why can't you grow in the mountains?
t. deep south aoutherner

>>512080252 (OP)
I grow French melons because my mom is a frog and the cantaloupe in America all taste like nothing

>>512085587
Berry niggas where we at?
Nah but fr doe ANYTHING else?
>>512085777
Seasons too short, it gets cold at night even in the summer, doesn't always get a lot of moisture
Checked and simple as
It's completely over.

>>512083318
>where to start
If tomatoes grow in your area (that's one jewgle search), that's an easy place to start. Just dig a nice hole, put her in the ground with some planting soil and any old plant nutrient (follow instructions on the bottle for amount), and water her on days it doesn't rain.
So easy a caveman could do it. Just start somewhere, and once you've got momentum, you'll want to learn more.
Protip: place chicken wire around and on top, because squirrels and rabbits love tomatoes. OR put traps around and get some extra protein.

>>512084599
simple example of healthy conversation
>"i smoked up a brisket yesterday"
>hell yeah, what's your process?
>" *explains* "
>nice
>"do you have a smoker? i highly recommend" <---- no one remembers how to ask questions back
>i do! i don't use it very much though.
>"why not! there's so much you can do" <---- no one remembers how to help/advise other people
>hmm, what do you recommend?
>"i started smoking whiskey! it adds so much flavor" <---- no one remembers how to interweave anecdotes naturally
>oh that's sick, is it complicated?
>"no you just put the whiskey in there and cold smoke! it's easy to smoke anything, you seem like you're overthinking it" <---- no one remembers how to "check" others into healthier behavior
>yeah maybe i am. the smoker's been covered since i moved.
>"how about i come over and help you out with it? let's smoke some whiskey tonight" <---- no one remembers how to pivot to closer relationships with friends
>i'm free tonight! why the hell not. sounds fun.
>"cool, i'll bring my wife so she can DD me and she can meet your wife" <---- no one remembers how to maximize opportunities and involve others
>sounds good
>"hell yeah. well i'll see you tonight man, i gotta get back to it" <---- no one remembers how to end a conversation gracefully
>alright cya man

simple example of modern conversation
>"i smoked up a brisket yesterday"
>hell yeah, what's your process?
>" *explains* "
>nice
>"..."
>*asks them another question*
>" *explains* "
>cool
>"..."
>*repeat until i give up and shoo them away*
>" *walks away without saying anything* "

i lead every conversation. it's so bad. i feel like i'm giving verbal CPR to everyone i talk to.

>>512085706
Right? What was weird this year though is that I have blueberry bushes too which the birds usually treat like a superhighway all day during season but this year they didn't mess with them until very late in their season which for me is a good bit before grape season. I usually get around 25 gallons of blueberries, this year I got 35 and I'm sure the difference is the birds. I don't turkey hunt but know turkey hunters and they said this past spring was weird for the birds too, not much turkey action but also not much normal action amongst the birds in general, idk but something seemed off this year with the birds

>>512086039
Adding on to that, feel free to ask for more detail if you're intrigued. I hope you do decide to start doing it, though. It's quite relaxing.

>>512083274
that shit is inedible without tons of sugar, worse than lemons

>>512085925
>Seasons too short, it gets cold at night even in the summer, doesn't always get a lot of moisture
Ah, I know nothing about those problems, my onions died this year because we got too much rain and currently we're lucky to get a low temp in the 70's.
What about a greenhouse?

>>512086172
>>"i started smoking whiskey
Ffs you degenerate, just smoke weed like a normal person

even if you just grow enough for one meal. that's one meal for free

>>512080252 (OP)
what the fuck are those orange things they look tasty

>>512086713
ha. i don't vape but i bet there's whiskey-flavored vape juice. or maybe you could lace a joint with whiskey? i dunno i can't hit the reefer, i'll get fired.

>>512081924
If you have a tree line, plant a grapevine and blackberry bush along it

>>512087917
Very clever. Does this harm the trees? I also wonder if the trees would try and kill the grapevine.

bumping because thread is good

>>512086172
It's this, man, it's this every day.

It's crazy to get treated like a nutjob for talking to the people that didn't get fucked to oblivion by Covid. I can deal with elderly people and kids with no problem. People my age don't care about anyone or anything but networking opportunities and we're losing our humanity.

>>512085782
That's why people think they're crap. They've only had the store bought ones.

>>512085925
>Seasons too short, it gets cold at night even in the summer
You live in berry land. Get used to it. Same here.

>>512086180
Lot of bird flu deaths, probably.

>>512089286
It's a long fight, but it's worth it to keep our humanity. "Be the change you want to see". A man way smarter than me said that, and I agree. Don't give up and keep being a beacon of humanity. Maybe one day we'll return.
Do you grow or want to grow anything?

>>512088075
Some trees put things in the soil that might damage other plants (they generally opt for chemical warfare). If it's a particularly fragile tree, it could hypothetically get damaged if it's a very fruitful vine, but generally you're good.

>>512086180
The weather was extremely fucked, to put it lightly. Forest fires, flooding, tornadoes in strange locations. I never see geese, and right now there's flocks staying here.

>>512080252 (OP)
I have pecan trees, massive fig bush, blackberries, peach tree, Swiss Chard, every type of bean imaginable, tomatoes, okra, potatoes, squash, zucchini, peppers, jalapenos, to cucumbers, sweet potatoes, corn, many medicinal plants, chickens, a big catfish pond, 2 goats. I think I'm good.

>>512089286
they can be reminded over time. i've seen it myself. it took me three years but some "goners" at my work have really come around and are somewhat willing to talk about non-work stuff.

>>512086486
Over.

>>512084917
>Deer
If we're adding wildlife to the mix - unlimited deer, rabbits, and dove.

>>512083318
I choose not to associate with people who openly and habitually gripe about other people, especially their own family members. Those are trashy people.

>>512080252 (OP)
In other countries people cannot buy houses gardens with gardens let alone land?

All this stupid grow yourself, homesteading advice is useless when people cannot buy land.

+ with the apocalypse coming, you won't have time to enjoy the fruits.

Garden a rabbit colony. Better protein. You could pretty much live off rabbits and water if you had to. Try that with plants

>>512092637
You can grow potatoes and spices without land. I'm sure there's more but that's what I know.

>>512080252 (OP)
I pay 1700 a month to live in a 300 sqr foot bachelor apartment. Fuck off

Everyone in this thread reminds me of my commie friends from college. They thought they would survive off their balcony garden and grew cucumbers and tomatos one summer and gave up and just bought groceries. Not as smart now are u greg?

>>512094008
Actually living off rabbits is something you can't do, there's a rare malnutrition disease if you don't supplement your diet with other things

Nobody itt owns enough acreage to have subsistence farming its all hobby but thats still a good thing regardless

>>512080252 (OP)
i grew almost all my food for ten years
>It's extremely rewarding
yes
>a very modest investment of time, effort and money
no, youre wrong
most food is easier and cheaper to buy then it is to produce yourself, unless you make minimum wage
its an issue of scale
i can drive out to the hutterite colony and buy washed, blemish free potaoes for 20c a pound
i make 30 dollars an hour after taxes thats 150lbs of potatoes for one hour of work
i can buy grains and legumes for around 5 to 10c a pound, 300lbs an hour
i can buy canned tomatoes bulk case for around $2 a litre, no need to buy jars, replace sealers, dont have to peel all those tomatoes, cleaning sterilizing jars, its a waste

but there are exceptions, you have to play moneyball though
usually fresh produce that is very perishable is the best
berries are expensive in the store and very easy to grow once established
tomatoes, very easy to grow, and productive, youll save about $20 a linear foot, and seeds are easy to save
most fruits require very little care and a single dwarf tree can provide all your needs for the year
fresh herbs, indestructable, take up very little space, usually only have to be planted once, perennials, and very expensive
processing your food immediately lowers the value, especially canning
the jars, the sealers, the canners, the energy, the time, and you destroy a lot of the nutritional value
fermenting is great though, some salt water, a plastic pail and an inexpensive carbon lock
cheap quick and easy, and it improves the nutritional value

>>512094008
You need some kind of fat to offset protein poisoning. This could be easily remedied by growing sunflowers, pumpkins, squash, or raising another animal like ducks.

>>512092637
>+ with the apocalypse coming, you won't have time to enjoy the fruits.
Sounds like you're already sowing sour grapes. Kek

>acCE0JFC
That's a start.

Communists historically seized private growth, though. Are you hiding assets? Best give those up to the state for those less fortunate than you. Dekulakization.

Let's talk about growing what you can.

>>512095494
Or you could whip up some yoge from a goat's udders

>>512094008
failed breeding sow 75c a pound on the hoof
bison $1, unfinished cattle (grass fed) $1.50, sheep $2, horse 50c

>>512095713
You could also just shoot a bear and get 100+ pounds of rendered fat. You could use it from everything from eating, waterproofing, lubrication, and lighting.
Bears are basically walking fat factories.

>>512080252 (OP)
used to, prepping and ll, then i gave up on life, my plants died, my fish died, i died a bit too. now I'm on fuck it mode, probably will end up in cannibalism if shit were to hit the fan

>>512096417
Is your cactus still alive?

>>512096196
THAT'S ILLEGAL!
WE FOUND OUT YOU DID THAT WITH ILLEGAL SPYING AND SURVEILLANCE
https://youtu.be/MBmb5_TTT-w?si=ITmJ8irUjEpuoVW_

>>512094008
kys

>>512094008
Rabbits need to eat dandelions, cilantro, raspberry leaves, blackcurrant leaves, plantago broadleaf, small leaf, parsley, kale, fennel, purple carrots, strawberry leaves, nettle leaves, echinacea leaves, Jerusalem artichoke leaves, kohirabi leaves, willow leaves/twigs, silverweed, cornflowers whole, chamomile flowers, rose buds, crab apple leaves, dog roses, raddish leaves.

Their water needs to be slightly acidic to support their probiotic biome, since their guts ferment their food, adding some apple cider vinegar works.

Medicinally, use bee pollen, nigella seeds, and sometimes oregano oil.

In the winter their diet is mainly bark, berries, roots and moss. Not dissimilar to wild boar.

>>512096932
Wouldn't oregano oil nuke their gut biome?

>>512096932
Damn your nation got absolutely buck broken by the introduction of rabbits

>>512097075
No. But if they over-eat it like anything else, then it'll lead to health issues. But you don't have to feed it to them.

>>512097116
It's being ruined by non-whites.

>>512097386
Also, it's medicinal, not dietary. We too can use oregano oil for medicinal purposes.

>>512097410
I grew up in a majority nonwhite city and i learned arson is the best method

>>512080252 (OP)
I grow my own spices and since my state legalized it I throw a cannabis plant or two in the with them. Oregano, marjoram, rosemary, thyme, cilantro, basil...

>>512097532
I slash tyres and start fires too, but I'm just one guy.

>>512080252 (OP)
i'm homeless. the jews won.

>>512097727
All it takes bruce
1 man to slash and burn
Invaders will fuck off once another man slashes and burns

>>512080252 (OP)
Are they trying to cover up something in particular or they are just pissed off about some effortpost?

>>512080252 (OP)
It's a plan for the future. Pal in the UK outright has a greenhouse going that's producing more than his household can use before it goes bad, in some cases.

>extremely rewarding
ah shut up. nothing in this life is "extremely rewarding." you're probably one of those people who moans when they eat something. nobody wants to know about your enjoyment of whatever you're talking about. arranged fruit or something. i just know it's not EXTREMELY REWARDING