What are your thoughts on the politics and philosophy of this movie?

I've heard it be called everything from anarchist to Fascist propaganda.

>>512102270 (OP)
Trash movie. Teenagers pretend they appreciate it.

It's just a based movie.

>>512102351
it’s about the memes though

>>512102270 (OP)
Fight Club is your typical example of
>Dude has problem
>Dude does something violent
>Author wants you to agree that the problem doesn't actually exist
Same as American Psycho.
In both cases they try to erase a problem by saying "well the guy with the problem ended up doing something violent so obviously your grievances are fake".

>>512102270 (OP)
My high school buddies all lived by it. They're all dead all had a massive wake up in their early 20s. I thought it's surface level macho stuff. I preferred Gladiator and wore sandals for a while but didn't make it my whole identity. RIP Mike.

>>512102270 (OP)
These days there are ways of investing that the people in the film's time period did not have access too. If I were more experienced/smarter I'd have become a multi-millionaire less than a year after starting to invest. Played it too safe and passed up an amazing dip caused by the October 7th events.
I still can become one, which in turn can be scaled further and with that money resources can be gathered to help build things up. Help people out. So I don't need to resort to the violence of that film to cause change (never mind all the stresses and mental challenges he dealt with that I don't).

>>512102270 (OP)
Well it is anarchist but anarchism isn't a true ideology. It's just a stepping stone or rather a catalyst for chance. Only idiots treat it like a way of life. In some ways it was a bit Kaczynskian but I think there's a few paths that can be taken when you start from his fundamental observations. I understand why some people call it fascist.
>>512102904
Fight Club and American Psycho couldn't be less similar. The American Psycho didn't really have a problem besides his own boredom, he was a serial killer and the movie was a hamfisted critique on the upper rungs of the corporate ladder. Fight club was in some ways a critique of western society's trajectory post 1920. Yeah they both featured a male lead and had violence in them, just like 50% of all films ever made lol.

middle children of history speech stands up.
our war IS a spiritual war

>>512103036
>I preferred Gladiator and wore sandals for a while

>>512102270 (OP)
The message about consumerism is good. The rest is shit.

Yes it has Ted kasynski but also Nietzsche ; only when you’re bottomed out do you start to truly live, but is also gay masochism since the writer is a bottom gay

>>512102270 (OP)
jewish predictive programming for 9/11, produced by mossad agent and 9/11 operative Arnon Milchan. made to mock stupid goyims like you.

>>512106745
>middle children of history speech stands up.
>>>/wsg/5939381
>>512106909
>but is also gay masochism since the writer is a bottom gay
when I found out about this it ruined it for me

>>512107064
>jewish predictive programming for 9/11, produced by mossad agent and 9/11 operative Arnon Milchan. made to mock stupid goyims like you.
kosher redpill
he's a non-kosher variant
keep it up kike I have many.

>>512102270 (OP)
I thought it was a non-conformist movie with the caveat that excessive non-conformism is another form of conformism. Either way men should stand up for themselves.
Apparently though it's all about toxic masculinity and male entitlement, and 'Tyler Durden' is an Andrew Tate like figure that the protagonist's incel brain developed in his impotent rage.

>>512106796
Kekkkkkkk

>>512107228
>uses incel uniornically
larp failed faggot

>>512107064
How would a Mossad arms dealer know anything about 9/11 in 1999? Oy vey!!

>>512107584

>>512102270 (OP)
schizophrenic turbo masochist slut drivel, literally hangover food

>>512102270 (OP)
escapist fag daydream. the writer is a literal fag.

>>512102270 (OP)
WHAT THE FUCK OP WE TALK ABOUT WEIRD GAY KIDS AND JEWS NOW

>>512102270 (OP)
It's a critique of how consumerism couldn't fill the existential void of gen X and early milenials. Young people can relate to that feeling more than the previous generations because even back then things weren't that bad. In Fight Club, Jack has a stable job, a very decent place to live, and no economic problems that we can see (this is why FC and Matrix have been memed to death). The problem with this movie is that it came 20 years ahead of time. Remember how the media lost its collective shit over Joker? Fight Club would've made their fucking heads explode if it had come out back in 2020.

>>512102270 (OP)
The entire movie is an allegory of the story of the Gordian Knot (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot).

Every bit of nonsense that ever tied itself into needlessly complicated senseless knots ever can be offended by it, be it communists, fascists, modern day liberals, theocrats or any other nonsense-laden system that pretends its faux rules of nature are unbreakable.

>>512102270 (OP)
pure faggotry. faggot is a member of a fascis, a group of men, fags, who bundle together to imitate what they are not. the conspire, breathe together when speaking in secret, to coordinate their efforts and lie to others about doing so. they are inferior to the timber. a timber is stronger itself than any bundle of faggots, even surviving a fire. ironically, a bundle of fags is a firestarter, not a fire survivor, like the timber.

these guys are exactly the pure jackboot authoritarians that the dumb rube audience thinks that they are against somehow. observe the fascis pairs installed on the Lincoln memorial, in the senate and house chambers, etc... the binding rope is the most symbolic item beyond the sticks themselves. just as in bdsm gay play, tying another man up to restrict his freedom sexually to your advantage, or the group in a gay gangbang or democracy (same thing), then you "know you can trust him" in the other affairs of state, like maybe setting up a trade deal, being an ambassador, going off with the military on expedition, etc... and you won't try to fuck us over.

it is the binding of that rope which keeps them in the group and doing what they're supposed to do. in another brad pitt flick, killing them softly, he mentions the same as jackie coogan discussing his work keeping street level gangsters working.

pahlaniuk wrote the book is a thinly veiled cover for the underground gay sex scene and how men who get into it are often made into the equivalent of punks in prison, but part of a little fag boy fuck club who does business with each other, cheats the system together, etc... recall the pawn shop from pulp fiction- tarantino knows whats up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q34Qxl5HINg

>>512109655
nigger wtf

>>512109655
also, pahlaniuk continued it into a trilogy, eventually having the whole tyler durden syndrome be some sort of infectous parasite which gets in the host and communicates with the brain and takes over the body.

another thinly veiled metaphor/allegory/simile/whatever with the higher than average std infection rates among gay men, but also as a double entendre of sorts, indicating something to the effect that when a man "catches the gay", he goes wild with it and becomes a sort of dr jekyl mr hyde situation, exactly as shown in the fight club characters originally. in the trilogy, he eventually passes "it" down to his son, relieving him of "the tyler parasite".

figure out the symbolism there you sick fucks.

>>512109924
show me a house built of sticks, a faggot house, and a house made of timbers, a man house. do they have the story of the 3 little pigs where you crawled out of the ground and slapped your meato flapos on a keyboard and typed what you did?

>>512109655
“Formerly Chuck’s” signals not just a name change, but the invisible violence of rural consolidation; Chuck is gone, his name reduced to a footnote. Sneed is the new landlord of legacy.

>>512110036
ok

>>512109159
I remember reading that the Situationists had the most compelling critique of capitalism because they were the only ones saying “even if you win the game, you’re still miserable”. Fight Club feels like that. It’s a story about how even if you have success and stability within the system, the system manages to destroy you.

>>512102270 (OP)
Fuck if I know. Fuck if I care honestly. I just liked the movie. Was entertained, would watch again.

>>512102270 (OP)
Presents violent male competition as a pointless surrogate activity that merely creates an aimless secret society of overly obedient drones.
Promotes blackmail and rent-seeking parasitism as the only way to escape the hamster wheel. Neither protagonists produce anything of value, they just constantly look for purpose and validation.
A violent, destructive reset is the answer. Nobody tries to understand the system that pushes people into debt and wageslavery for kikes. Everyone hates it and its participants, yet the only available solution is to erase the debt once, as if the system won't persist and adapt.
It appealed because of its critique (a jewish strategy) of consumer culture and the life-draining grind in some brutalist office building, but it only has jewish answers to these issues (break the rules, violently if necessary).
>>512102904
Good take.
It is feminized "violence is never the answer"-kind of bullshit. It just elevates violence enough to make it appealing or a nearly ritualistic prerogative of the elites (American Psycho) before tearing it down again.

>>512102270 (OP)
its a homoerotic movie, its not cool at all

>>512110801
I don't know about destroying, but keeping you in line? yes, for sure. The human spirit craves freedom above all things. It is the principle that destroys every boundry. It's why social media, pornography and entertainment have been developed to such point, in order to sedate humanity.

>>512102270 (OP)
Don't base your thoughts and philosophy on any book,movie or "cult of personality" [i.e. a person].
if you have a soul, can picture the apple and know how you would feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning, you will know what the Creation is all about.

You did everything you're supposed to do and have this lack of being fulfilled. Everyone seems like they're pretending, but you don't know what for.
>"Look how dumb these magazines are, does anyone even read these?"
>"Scientists predict the world will end in 2050, ok why is no one doing anything about it?"
>"Why does it feel like everyone is trying to sell me something?"
This is what noticing looked like before the internet. Noticing and being "anti-establishment" is starting to be co-opted by the system.

>>512102270 (OP)
Idk, movie made me realise that everything is my fault and I am the reason my life sucks.

>>512103478
What do you do exactly?

The closest political label to the main character's alter ego would be "anarcho primitivist". That's less a serious ideology and more of a kind of protest or political statement.

Some themes in the film, like how a bunch of men who never had men in their lives growing up are relatable even now because of the rise of the divorce rate and things like 'no fault divorce'. But if you're looking for actual solutions the film falls pretty flat. It's meant to be provocative and entertainment. In real life the frat boy terror cell would've had informants and it never would've gotten to the stage it was in the film. And I'm not even trying to say the government is super competent but if you watch the film you'll see the vetting process is comical: stand outside until we decide to let you become a member. It's not meant to be serious and that's the point.

>fascist propaganda
That was funny because it's clear that the people who made it were actually trying to mock fascism. It's meant to be a parody and subversion. Of course there are absolute retards who believe the most ridiculous WWII propaganda and that fascism is the greatest evil (ignore Uncle Joe or Franko though) that required millions of white people to die.

>>512113770
Without consciousness the universe can only exist in its most lowest existence (waves,quantum particles etc.) the entire system is maticiously build for consciousness to arise so that it creates a gestalt from processing this otherwise lowest dimension called the objective, ergo the purpose of live is perhaps anticlimatic, its to experience which then grants meaning to the objective reality as the playground of the experiencer

>>512114649
This thing really is a beast once you look at the history of it. It has devoured everything that once opposed it. Currently, we're starting to see the alt-right be adopted.

Which ultimately leads the most important question: is the system actually evil? If the system is good, why wouldn't it address the complaints of those in the fringes and adopt the best aspects of their movements.

It leads to a questioning of oneself: why am I like this? Why are other people going alone with this and I'm not? Is there something wrong with me or everyone else? In my opinion, the system's greatest power is not the co-opting of movements, but the destruction of identity. He makes you question yourself and then desperate for any sense of truth or identity, he tells you who you are. "NEET", "incel", "doomer", "lonely male" are labels, not identities. By accepting these labels, we ascribe ourselves a role to act in this system. Who to marry, what to get angry at, what to do in our spare times, and so on.

The system focused on people's material lives in the 80s and 90s, but now he's focused on shaping their beliefs and values. What was this culture war really about? Freedom or wallpaper? We all know now these people are willing to drop their principles when their side has power. What one does with power is the ultimate test of whether one has principles at all.

Frankly, I can't see society become more evil than it is now, but I see so many people now are focused on meaningless bullshit, that even if they are good, they are effectively powerless. And many good people are demoralized as well.

I think movies like fight club, 12 monkeys, even the matrix to some extent, ask the right questions, even if they have the wrong answers. They're questions that were never really answered, only distracted from.

it's just a fucking love story you dumb bastards. it's equivalent to twilight for fucks sake but cooler

>>512109159
Seeing Murray get shot at the end of Joker was the last time I felt something real in a theater. However, the media's intuition is correct. If movies like that came out frequently, men would actually go out and start demanding change.

>>512113506
>do you believe in the power of the human spirit, winton?

>>512117242
The commodification of identity that started with mass media doesn't really want to destroy identity, but replace it by offering you the symbols of status with social proof (advertising) as a means to acquire status. It's essentially selling you a shortcut to social power: buy the same trinkets the powerful have and all the NPCs will think you're powerful too, epitomized by the slogan "fake it til you make it".
The catch is that this is inherently extractive. It extracts from the status seekers and those gullible enough to believe the "expensive suit"-illusion and from the poverty this creates a crab-bucket mentality naturally emerges that movies like Fight Club latch onto.
The cubicle scenes you see in it or the Matrix are always crucial exposition for the protagonist's place in the hierarchy. It implies he's near the bottom, with a middle manager above him and the real seats of power far out of his reach. That's the target audience for all of these movies and a testament to their subversive nature. What do they tell the lowly worker bee? Break out, let it all collapse, find a higher purpose in resistance - all without ever telling them how the system works, or, even worse: fight and die a martyr's death for diverse raves in a cave (The 2nd Matrix movie).
At the end of the day, it is just the jewish strategy of dismantling a system via critique. To make the lowest participants so unhappy with their lot that the whole structure starts to crumble when they refuse to do their part.

>>512109971
I never read the novels but this interpretation is spot on, especially in regards to it being a sickness that can be passed on. There’s also an MKULTRA component as well. MKULTRA training starts in a child at a very early age, around 2-3. The child is sodomized and abused creating a total mental disassociation which allows for the creation of split personalities or “altars”. This implies that the lead in the film was sodomized in his early youth leading to his split personality. Another symptom of such abuse is something called “Sodomite Rage”, a type of homosexual dominance violence that is instilled in some victims of childhood abuse. You can see this syndrome on the face of the abused, basically “angry gay face”. People like Peter Thiel display the characteristics of Sodomite Rage whereas someone like Pedro Pascal displays the facial characteristics of a person who was sodomized but may not have the rage characteristic.
I had a friend in college who was abused as a young child. He had no recollection of his life until he was 13 years old. When I knew him he had a girlfriend and was normal enough, though brilliant and energetic beyond anything that could be considered normal. He moved out to California with his girlfriend and I saw him a couple years later. He was openly gay at the time. I knew about his abuse but I never suspected him of being a homosexual but man oh man he was a huge slutty fag the next time I saw him. I was with a bunch of friends who had known him before as well and it weirded us all out. I felt bad for the guy and never talked to him again. It felt like he let the dark takeover.

>>512119318
> mass media doesn't really want to destroy identity, but replace it
That's true in many cases (kid buys jordans thinking it'll make him better at basketball). However, when it comes to people on the fringes, the goal is to break you. We've all heard someone sarcastically say to us "maybe everyone's wrong, and you're right". Or perhaps you like something that's unpopular or cringe, so you feel pressured to pretend you don't like it. These are ways of destroying identity. As a crude example, it was frowned upon to be into comic books until the Disney movies became popular. But everyone knows, the stories told in the movies are watered down. Thus, this refuge of authenticity you might have had has now become fake like everything else. Let's be honest, the reason why we're on this website right now is because for some reason the mainstream just doesn't cut it for us. We're willing to dig through mountains shit in order to find just a silver of authenticity. Just the fact we're on this website shows there's something wrong with society. We can be brushed aside as delusional, but we know this is not the case.

> Break out, let it all collapse, find a higher purpose in resistance
I never thought of it that way. While I do respect some of the themes in these movies, they do use the envy of the lowly against them. Back then, they used material. Now, they're using sex. "Fight against the system so you can get a gf!" Hell, you're starting to see people claim that if you want to see people be held accountable for pedophilia, you're jealous. It's like they take something away from you and then make you fight their opponent so you can get it back. But when they do this, they prevent your intentions. There's a difference between not liking someone getting rich off of doing nothing vs wanting to replace him. The key is to be angry at the principle, not the person. Ultimately, it shouldn't whether you or I is doing the injustice. What matters is the injustice itself.

>>512102270 (OP)
I just rewatched this yesterday with a girl who never saw it before. Patrice O'neal got the idea correctly. It's the burden of white men who have to be civilized and work, consoom, get taxed, then die. And it's about men who grew up without fathers and they don't know how to be men but they are raised by white women so they are sissies. As far the book and movie go plot wise they're amazing, a lot of foreshadowing that Tyler is made up but it's not obvious until the reveal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfipIzr4JXE

>>512109159
>The problem with this movie is that it came 20 years ahead of time
That's not the problem, it came out and it's part of pop culture because it just seemed for what it was, a fantasy story. If the book came out now it would have been brushed under the rug as incel cope and the movie would have never been made. It came out at the right time. I looked in my local library catalogue and every copy of fight club is always checked out, it's the coming of age book for guys hitting their late 20s after being raised by single moms.


Also, Norton isn't Jack, you never know his name. Jack just come's from the short stories he found in Reader's Digest about the organs and it's Jack and Jill in those stories.

>>512122464
>when it comes to people on the fringes
Yea, but this is not programmatic, but inherent in the nature of anything that is perceived as normative. Or rather, there's a dual nature to it: I believe the original intent of commodified identities is to work like prosthetics, creating a consumerist arms race you can't escape, as in: your iPhone 10 is a shit prosthetic compared to the latest model and thus doesn't confer status anymore.
On the fringes, this normative arms race does destroy genuine passion for something, but that's because the fringes don't get any benefit from participating in the arms race anyways. Davido-kun's genuine authentic love for some shitty slice-of-life anime doesn't get attacked because the arms race deems it unfit and ridiculous, but first and foremost, because he's so low on the totem pole as a creature of the fringe that he has no social capital (beauty, wits, wealth, etc.) to defend it (unlike a 4chan user who has at least the brains to argue his position). It's essentially what Lacan would call the Real, the unmitigated terrifying side of reality, which a system of commodified identities forces onto us by creating a quasi-common sense hierarchy into which we're placed by judging us through the symbols of our status (old iPhone = poorfag). 4channers can resist this and integrate the truth of the contact with the brutality of existance, while not everyone on the fringes can.
The destruction you speak of only occurs if someone weighs the benefits of his authentic passion against its utility in the hierarchy, into which any interaction with others (or the symbolic other via media) forces him anyways.
I think this is also how normies brush away fringe truth-seekers like us basket weavers: the lack of utility in knowing "it's the jews" simply outweighs the benefits for them - the lie is preferable.

>>512122464
>What matters is the injustice itself.
That's pure western thinking. First reason, then agreement.
The kikes and their movies work the other way round: "don't you agree that this is unfair for the worker bee? for the woman? for the minority?: and instead of reasoning even after the emotional appeal to fairness, the give you framing and other persuasive tricks.
Traditons, social norms and values are civilizational capital collected and refined over generations and they extract wealth by destroying all of it.
Think of it this way: the harder you need to struggle to get a gf (gym, surgeries, daily cosmetics, 2 jobs, etc.) the more these rent-seeking fuckers can extract from each of us.

>>512102270 (OP)
>What are your thoughts
"but where did he get the nitric acid?"

>>512124745
Funnily enough, we can find ourselves in an arms race ourselves. People in mainstream culture compete to be high status, but people in alternative cultures can compete to be low status, since it's centered around rejecting the mainstream. This leads to people bragging about how obscure their favorite anime is, how degenerate they are, how hard it is for them to fit into society and how deep their conspiracy theory is. By investing in this game, we play a role in the system ourselves. By making ourselves ugly, we play the villain. Our language is so vulgar, our interests are so alien, and our resentment is so strong, what other role can we play but villains? We make ourselves so unpalatable to the average person, that any truth we uncover becomes unpalatable as well. In our society, lies are seen as beautiful and truth as ugly, so why wouldn't her vessels be ugly as well.

And that's even if we find truth at all. Because we compete to the most obscure/hateful ideologies or far out conspiracies, we end up distract ourselves from the purpose of even being here: authenticity. What good is rebelling against the system if we ourselves pretend just as much as they do? We have to always keep in mind that noticers are everywhere, not just boards such as these. We do not have a uniform or shared culture. The only thing we share is our integrity.

>>512126316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCbH-gES3ro
The biggest irony is that anti-semites end up doing the same thing. They buy their porn, take their loans, hire their whores, and when their society suffers as a result, they blame the jew for his own shortcomings. They say the jew is unfair and seek revolution against him. They justify their own brutality by dehumanizing him, just as the jews have justified their own actions because the brutality of gentiles. The cycle will only end when both stop using the past to justify evil in the present.
> the harder you need to struggle to get a gf (gym, surgeries, daily cosmetics, 2 jobs, etc.) the more these rent-seeking fuckers can extract from each of us.
More importantly, look how much time, energy, and effort is being exhausted in many cases for fleeting pleasure. Media in the past emphasized how love transcends money. Today however, we constantly bombarded with this message of having to earn love not through virtue, but material. While diligence, wise usage of money, and work ethic are good values which are worthy of love, we notice again that there is a materialist perversion of these values

>>512126971
>we can find ourselves in an arms race ourselves
Yea, the "get on my level, scrub"-mindset, heh.
>We make ourselves so unpalatable to the average person
Absolutely, this is generally part of the fragmentation of society, where the in-group signifiers and idiosyncracies become eventually completely alien to outsiders. Our kind of fringe is smart enough to use exactly what the mainstream abhors as signifiers, which definitely makes it even worse to submerge oneself too much in 4chan manneurisms. At some point, the guys pretending to be idiots do become indistinguishable from the real retards for any outsider, all while they create an environment that attracts the genuine brainlets as well.
>how much time, energy, and effort
It's why Chyna managed to overtake the west, we're busy looking inward to self-improve so we can be a part of the 10% or so that gets laid, or our time is wasted preparing us for an anti-racist, multicultural, gay disco, "anything goes"-society while they increasingly give their people actual real life competence.
It's probably plain to see how beneficial for an economic zone it is to push these material values: "buy more, consume more" tied to the false promise of finding love and happiness if you do, instead of "build something, explore something", but that's what the kikes managed to turn the West into.

>>512128033
>They buy their porn, take their loans, hire their whores, and when their society suffers as a result, they blame the jew for his own shortcomings.
I'd argue that the disposition for addiction or vice requires protection, because for many, it can't be overcome by willpower or habit change alone.
It's like setting up a trap, and then blaming the animal for being too stupid to fall for it. There is a clear lack of social cohesion showing if we judge our own this harshly instead of mustering the empathy to see that the trap was more than they could handle.
Sure, there is a case to be made that they need filtering, but even if so, the solution to that shouldn't make the kikes wealthy either way.

>>512123401
Probably, yeah.
strange, I remember someone in the movie calling him Jack before the reveal.

>>512129107
>the guys pretending to be idiots do become indistinguishable from the real retards for any outsider, all while they create an environment that attracts the genuine brainlets as well.
I didn't even think about this. If any of my friends or family were to browse 4chan, they wouldn't be able to see anything deeper than slurs and smut, even if they tried. But let's flip that, could it be that we do not see the poetry in mainstream news, entertainment, and "normie" lifestyle? The fact that we can't even distinguish different aspects of the mainstream and just use phrases like "mainstream", "normalfag", "NPC" and so on demonstrates that we ourselves have become illiterate and that environment is alien to us. And just as the normie will repel from us, at the sight of slur or conspiracy theory, we repel from the normie at the first vain interest or gaslighting. Both of us are afraid of each other and as long as we are divided, we are easily controlled.

>>512129523
Even so, we still allowed the trap to lay until someone was caught. Jews in this country gained prominence in finance because many specialized in corporate law and hostile takeovers, which was not something the WASPs would do. By the time the 80s hit, this kind of practice which used to be frowned upon became the norm. We could say something similar about the porn industry or rap music. They may be the first ones to get into one of these industries, but that doesn't mean they're behind their blow up.

>>512102270 (OP)
New kino just dropped

True crime epic about the Belgium trafficking network known as the Dutroux Scandal. Spread the word lads. Hollywood will not. Main goodguy character is basically an anon.

10/10 on par with Zodiac

https://letterboxd.com/film/maldoror-2024/

Full movie w subs
https://ok.ru/video/9125806410338

>>512131061
Alright, I'll give it a watch anon.

>>512102270 (OP)
I asked Chuck about this one time, he's a fag but he used to hang out at Chinese Gardens in Portland. If OP comes back and posts again itt without xer meme flag I'll tell you all what he said, it's very interesting.

>>512130063
>we ourselves have become illiterate and that environment is alien to us
It's rather a problem of utility (sorry to bring that up again). The mainstream fundamentally offers nothing but the agreed-upon narrative and rolemodels that incorporate these approved thoughts and arguments. Normies use this to navigate their environments, except this requires a hidden contract outsiders like us don't buy into because the normie's hidden contract hinges on false promises, like you pointed out earlier: "Wageslave and you'll eventually get the promotion and the woman".
So, we fundamentally repel each other because we're a walking assault on the normie's reason to get up every day. At best, we can make ourselves palatable to them by being horizon-expanding instead of world-shattering, but it's essentially the story of Faust told a myriad times in real life: His freedom breaks the devout christian girl he covets because everything that orders her life is a lie to him and unlike him, she can't rebuild her world once it starts to crumble.
>>512130900
>used to be frowned upon became the norm
Advertising would be another example where Whites ended up following suit instead of resisting the constant vying for attention from billboards, storefronts, etc.
That's why I think we need protection from their subversive ideas. We have no immune system response to them that actually works and the temptations they create rather inspire many of us to copy them.
Take your online experience today, which, arguably wouldn't work without the business model of "views for ad money". At the same time, this invited in a feudal system of dominant platforms and tech giants that control the internet. You're to point out that we eventually amplify whatever harm they do to our societies, and there's no absolution from that, but then again, the results speak for themselves and would justify more resistance to jewish profit-seeking than we managed to muster so far.

>>512102270 (OP)
I noticed anything that isn't telling you to become a tranny who worships niggers gets labelled 'fascist'

>>512106909
>Nietzsche
Why do fags push this nihilistic super incel so much?

>>512102270 (OP)
it's the men's version of "you can be anything you want to be, because everything is your perception of it."

>>512102270 (OP)
Fairly kino. It's not the best but it's /pol/-approved viewing

>>512102270 (OP)

Out of all the films from the era, this one was for me overhyped the most. It's least "edgy" of a bunch, I remember in high-school all the girls loved "Fight Club".

If you want good movies from same period, watch "Memento", "Machinist" or "PI" (Requiem for a Dream is similar shit as Fight Club, but better, mostly due to cinematography and music. )

>>512132737
>The mainstream fundamentally offers nothing but the agreed-upon narrative and rolemodels that incorporate these approved thoughts and arguments
That presumes that the mainstream is entirely fraudulent. Any aspect of the system can be interpreted cynically. Indoctrination vs education, propaganda vs news, slavery vs working, and so on. This goes back to the ultimate question: is the system actually evil? Are we being educated or indoctrinated, informed or propagandized? Are we outsiders because we are self-righteous or actually righteous? Every man and woman must look within their own heart to answer this question. Personally, I don't think the system is totally evil, but has been in the process of being corrupted for decades. My question is whether or not this perversion will reverse, how and why.
> we're a walking assault on the normie's reason to get up every day
This made me laugh. But again, the normie might say that their existence is proof that we're just losers who blame other people for our own failures and that's why we're repelled by them. There's truth in both perspectives.

Fight club predicted a lot. Prophetic really.

Project mayhem is like unified horseshoe antifa. Brad pitt is like a manosphere figure. Whole movie is like MGTOW. It foresaw the financial calamity today and the desire to burn it all down and the sense of the meaninglessness of participating in this system. It predicted arbitrary victimhood culture. It predicted transgender shit. It predicted the realization of an emasculated, feminized society. It predicted the popularity of the UFC and MMA generally as a sport and beacon of masculine endeavor. It predicted the gig economy and quiet quitting. It predicted a great reset, black clad anarchy. It predicted our rapidly expanded nihilism and dissasociation.

>>512134317
>There's truth in both perspectives.
I'm not sure. Like you said before, the payoff isn't there: the wagie won't be able to afford a house, won't get the girl and when he confines himself to escapism like vidya, he'll still be assaulted by propaganda that overtly hates his kind. Christianity has the cunning to promise its made-up reward in another (ficitional) realm entirely, but what does the wagie dreaming of material wealth really get?
>is the system actually evil?
If you put it in a binary, it's clearly not good for us, so...
Think about it, people complained that schools prepped us for factory work, now they prepare kids to co-exist with niggers, shitskins, different religions, etc. and mass media keeps this brainwashing going once you're finally old enough to contribute your ssare to the GDP.
Google "george floyd" and you'll get the framing of "protests", not "riots", while the inverse happens with the Jan. 6 "insurrection".
Our current system not only tries to dictate what is right and wrong, but completely inverts the truth to shape it's false reality it expects you to conform to. It's fundamentally antagonistic to Western values, who put truth over everything, and dangerously misleading at that. I mean, how many White women need to get butchered by a nigger til your media starts to frame them as violent animals and instills a reasonable fear of blacks in them again? All of them?

>>512137058
>I'm not sure. Like you said before, the payoff isn't there
Some of them will get the payoff and some won't. Here on 4chan, we may not get the payoff either. We come here for knowledge and authenticity but many times, we're going to be left empty handed. Are we actually going to get what we want from here: serious conversation on how to reform the system? My point is it's deeper than us vs them. And this board has rotted just as much as mainstream social media has.
>people complained that schools prepped us for factory work, now they prepare kids to co-exist with niggers, shitskins, different religions, etc.
Mainstream person would say that now that we live in a more diverse, service and communications economy, more knowledge of different cultures and soft skills is more important than knowledge for factory work. And they wouldn't even be wrong. Even the george floyd v insurrection could be dismissed as a cyclical group think. Our proof is another man's exception. We have to be careful with our framing, so we can see the truth. We also have to look at the bigger picture. Education is going to change with our industries so if a lot of non-sense is being taught in schools, what does that say about our industry. Right now we're seeing a pullback in wokeness, but the same people own the companies. Some of the same business leaders that backed Kamala are now going all in on MAGA. The system is going to always going to devour these movements. They devoured the hippies, the hipsters, the punks, the gays, etc. Now we're next.

>>512114853
I just started making the time to do the boring investment research. I'm no master with numbers so it feels mind melting at times, but in the end it's just another form of learning something for a later payoff. Crypto, at that. I know a guy who only deal with stocks. My father uses stocks and crypto. That initial money I invested was all from some time at Amazon though.

>>512102270 (OP)
Its a fun movie. But highly exagerated

>>512138473
>it's deeper than us vs them
Absolutely, but the wagies are in many regards victims of a system that just exploits them. Ideally, that evokes a desire to help them, to reform the system so we don't have to watch them struggle to climb up a pyramid that wants them eternally driven by lack at the bottom.
>that we live in a more diverse, service and communications economy
That is an unnatural imposition though. No kid needs racial awareness introduced into their lives, let alone gender ideology. Even black kids are better off without contact to whites. Sure, the schools won't be as advanced and they won't be able to ride on the coattails of their White peers, but they won't have to confront their inferiority daily either.
What it really does is drag White kids down and waste their time wrestling with genetic differences they aren't supposed to notice - and it's not because the world got bigger, it's because the economic system of wage suppression to keep exports competitive ran it's course and our elites decides the best way to fix this in our homecountries is wage arbitrage, H1B-style blackmail and population replacement.
>we're seeing a pullback in wokeness
As Devon Stack likes to point out, rat poison has to taste better than everything the rat could eat otherwise; or it doesn't work.
>Now we're next.
That is, ofc, very "Uncle Ted"-pilled and arguably what people try to escape when they come here. "The systems neatest trick", the integration of its opposition is definitely a part of the problem, and, imho, all the more reason for us to avoid framings altogether in favour of plain truths. F.i.:
>Even the george floyd v insurrection could be dismissed as a cyclical group think
This can easily be pierced by pointing out the damage the riots caused vs. the single death of the "insurrection", which of course was a fairly harmless woman who really didn't need to die that day.

>1pbtid memeflag fight club thread
hey pajeet 2013 called, they want their diaspora back

>>512109655
>pahlaniuk wrote the book is a thinly veiled cover for the underground gay sex scene

I got the same vibe when I read it too

When it first came out it was good. a "Good for its time" type of movie.
The same way Taxi Driver was good for its time.

A few years back I went and rewatched all of those movies. Fight Club, Donnie Darko, Taxi Driver, V for Vendetta, Matrix, etc.

None of them really hold up that well. It's fun for a nostalgia trip or to just appreciate how movies have evolved. But it's all very mediocre.

>>512117934
>Joker
That movie was terrible. I really wanted it to be good. I was expecting some real ground breaking shit from all the hype it got. I think Joker was popular because it was a thinly veiled "Only smart outcasts will truly GET this movie" while also appealing to the superhero franchise fanboys.

>>512141560
> Ideally, that evokes a desire to help them, to reform the system
Ideally, but in practice it becomes mocking them while accomplishing very little. They see us and think "why would I want to be an angry, incel, loser on the internet? I have friends, I'm contributing to society, and I get girls from time to time." Anything we say, no matter how true it is, will be associated with failure just as Lebron telling you to drink orange juice will be associated with success. We are anti-celebrities, anti-role models, examples of what not to be.
>That is an unnatural imposition though
I believe the system itself is unnatural. Rather than the system conforming to human nature, conforms humans to its nature.
>That is arguably what people try to escape when they come here
4chan is a dirty word. We'll always be the villains. But what villain will the system need next? We're already seeing a co-opting of some of the white nationalist stuff. You'll probably see some celebrities in the near future talking about embracing their heritage or something. Maybe a couple of brick buildings will be built. Self-respecting males in movies. The problem will be solved! Wokeness is over, stop complaining so much! Give that nothing will change materially, it wouldn't surprise me if 4chan moves a bit left in the next few years.
>This can easily be pierced by pointing out the damage the riots caused vs. the single death of the "insurrection"
Right now there's a liberal narrative which goes "maybe we went a little too far on social issues and the Trump" hate. They'll probably even acknowledge that. What we have to ask ourselves is if their goals have significantly changed. I think they still are fans of social engineering, they just believe they turned knobs too fast.

>>512144278
>>512144278
In retrospect, the whole movie was being carried by Joaquin Phoenix's performance. You can say any of his lines out loud and they sound like they were written by a child. But it touched some themes that are relevant to today without being overly-condescending, which can't be said about most hollywood movies.

>>512102270 (OP)
It was written by a fag to make fun of the banality male culture. The audience was too stupid to understand and he proved his point.

>>512146426
true