What is your excuse for not studying Latin? It's super easy, I bet just reading picrel you already learned something.

https://archive.org/details/familia-romana

deader than /pol/

>>512229298
You don't study Latin to chat with people. You study it to learn about its rich grammar, which helps you structure your thoughts and expand your mind. Grammar is one of the seven liberal arts which make up a classical education. Grammar, logic and rhetoric are the tools of thought.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivium

>>512229298
fpbp

>>512229839
Yeah that is the problem tho. It should be the international language instead of English.

>>512230008
>that is the problem tho
what is?

>>512230207
That it is not actively spoken thus making the reading of original texts laborious and incentivizing people to trust dubious translations.

>>512229253 (OP)
Do you know Latin? I have a grammar question

>river est fluvius
kek
absolute clown language no wonder it died

>>512230992
Latin's only followers are genuine historians and linguistic hipsters

>>512230425
Ask away

>>512230390
no, you're making things up

>>512231154
Do you accept this translation? AI says it's ok

"Omnis ergo anima, ex nascendi ratione, in Adam habet naturam, donec in Christum renascatur; et quidem immunda est, quamdiu sine hac regeneratione permanet."

"Every soul, then, WHEN REASON IS BORN, has its nature in Adam until it is born again in Christ; moreover, it is unclean all the while that it remains without this regeneration"

>>512230425
No I don't. I just started studying it.

>>>/lit/24607199

You could also try asking AI, but I don't recommend it. I asked AI a question about Latin and it gave me a bad answer. I corrected it, and it replied "thanks for calling me out on that".

>>512230992
It's a complex and refined, ie classical, language. English, Swedish etc are the clown/Idiocracy languages. It's like comparing Mozart and Red Hot Chili peppers. Get good, plebeian. Be a man, listen to classical music and acquire a classical education. Undo the damage of 13,000 hours of public schooling. Begin right now by clicking the link in the OP. Here's something to have playing while reading it:

https://youtu.be/o2nr401xYTM

>>512229253 (OP)
I began wheelock's latin and became instantly demoralized

>>512231349
>no, you're making things up
What am I making up, retard?

>>512229253 (OP)
Took four years of it in high school, good stuff.

>>512232260
nobody above the age of 17 thinks or talks like this

>>512232379
Why? I downloaded that first but never got started. It has a threshold. That's why I posted this book in the OP. It gets you learning instantly. As I said just reading that picture you'll learn a few words. It's called the natural method of language learning, you learn by using only words in the language you're learning. Then after you've gotten a bit into that you can supplement with other books such as Wheelock's for an overview of grammar rules etc. You can also listen to the same book while reading it if you prefer:

https://youtu.be/YtPd2ALW5b4

https://youtu.be/HpUxN01Ew_4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_%C3%98rberg#LINGVA_LATINA_PER_SE_ILLVSTRATA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_method_(education)

>>512232423
Everything that you've claimed.

>>512232755
I thought high school was three years. Private Catholic school or what?

>>512207515

>>512232869
cool argument Herbert Garrison

>>512233289
>high school was three years
in the states high school is four years, 9 - 12 grade with a three year minimum foreign language requirement, but I did 4 because why not
also
>CARTHAGO
>DELENDA
>EST

>>512229253 (OP)
Familia romana is a great book in and should be the model for learning almost any language on your own. No translations just figure it out retard

>>512229253 (OP)
I downloaded the book, thank you anon

>>512229253 (OP)
I'm not latino.

>>512233071
>Everything that you've claimed.
Name a single thing.

>>512233449
duolingo has a pretty good latin course, would recommend for anyone trying to get into it

>>512233438
meat to reply with
>>512233725

>>512231501
No. Reason is not being born. The anima is. Ex+ablative case - "ex...ratione."

You don't even need to "learn" Latin if you speak English, you can decipher most Latin phrases just from common sense.

>>512233432
Alright but was it a public or private school? I don't think we even had Latin as an option. School is worthless, you need to start studying on your own, specifically grammar, logic and rhetoric, Euclidean Geometry, Latin, Greek etc.

¤Institutes of Grammar by Priscian of Caesarea

¤Summa Grammatica by Roger Bacon

¤Summa Logicae by William of Ockham

¤Logic or the Right Use of Reason in the Inquiry After Truth by Isaac Watts

¤Port-Royal Logic by Antoine Arnauld and Pierre Nicole

¤The Organon by Aristotle

¤Rhetoric by Aristotle

¤Isagoge by Porphyry

¤Lectures on Logic by Immanuel Kant

¤Lectures of Logic by G.W.F. Hegel

¤Metalogicon by John of Salisbury

>>512233969
Public, but this was back in the early 2000s so I would imagine schools have let their standards slip since then. The options were Spanish ( obviously ) German, French, Latin and Japanese, maybe one or two others as well.

>>512229253 (OP)
WHERE IS MOLDOVA ANON

>>512233647
>that is the problem tho.
>It should be the international language instead of English.
>That it is not actively spoken thus making the reading of original texts laborious and incentivizing people to trust dubious translations.

>>512234147
>UBI EST MOLDOVA ANON
ftfy

>>512233827
A baby cannot reason. So it would be at whatever age they begin to exhibit reason. What is your translation of the sentence?

>>512234206
Where is Latin actively spoken?
The rest literally pertains to the same point.

>>512233877
You need to learn it because it expands your mind. Grammar is not just language, it's how we structure our thoughts. It was/is taught as part of a classical education. And that was Latin and Greek grammar. If you want to acquire the tools of thought this is what you do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivial_school

To get a sense of what grammar is/used to be check out this book.

https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt

Read translations of old Roman books

Some are dogshit

Some are good like Peloponnesian Wars

>>512229253 (OP)
Rome in Italy is. Italy in Europe is. Greece in Europe is. Italy and Greece in Europe are. Spain also in Europe is. Spain and Italy and Greece in Europe are.
>>512232260
Nothing wrong with that phrase. Because of the punctuation, it’s clear John saw a man on a mountain who had a telescope. Those elaborations are not necessary to find out the meaning. Where education failed is that people cannot read/diagram a sentence anymore

>>512232260
for me, it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkwqPJZe8ms

>>512234142
Alright, I was in school in the early 2000s too. My opinion stands, school is not for learning. Some people learned a few things but that was mostly accidental. The true purpose of school is to dumb you down, enslave you and stunt learning. That's why we need to learn on our own, stuff like Euclid's Elements and the Trivium.

>>512209506

>>512207515

>>512205412

https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt

>>512234637
>Where is Latin actively spoken?
nowhere

>>512234147
filter the Moldovan flag, that's a bot/troll/shill

>>512234601
Maybe. The dichotomy here is that all minds that are not reborn in Christ (spiritual) are doomed to remain ("permanet") in Adam (earthly). As such, they are unclean ("immunda").

"Therefore, every mind/soul, when born out of reason/plan/condition, holds it's nature in Adam until it is reborn in Christ, and it (the anima) is certainly unclean, and remains so for as long as it (the anima) is without this rebirth."

>>512231501
The nominative, singular "anima" is the subject of habet, renascitur, est, and permanet.

>>512236105
>>512236414
So is he saying that BIRTH is the cause that someone has Adam's Nature? Or is it REASON that gives someone Adam's Nature? Because one aspect Adam's Nature is choice and agency, which a baby does not have.

>>512235474
English is a poorer language than Latin in terms of grammar, English has more syntactic ambiguity and is therefore less conducive to logic, argumentation, intellectual discourse. Learning Latin will expand your mind and give structure to your thoughts and ideas. Cultivate your mind, liberate your mind, or remain a slave.

>>512236944
He probably means a soul (anima) that ONLY partakes of or is born of "ratio," because "ratio" has a meaning of a basic calculation. Latin forbids "birth" being the subject here. It's the anima (when born of REASON ALONE) and without rebirth in Christ.

>>512236944
Which book is it from? Is there no English translation?

>>512229839
>Not using ancient Greek
ngmi

>>512237370
No one gives a fuck about grammar when England is pumping out premium women like picrel.

>>512236944
Also, it's unclear he's even talking about a "birth," since "nascor" can just be a coming-to-be, springing forth, from any point. Debatable whether he's talking about a child being born...

>>512237637
>when born of REASON ALONE
Thank you, that is very helpful.
>>512237690
It is De Anima, by Tertullian. I have an English translation, but I don't want to accept what it says.
"Every soul, then, by reason of its birth, has its nature in Adam"

>>512229253 (OP)
>island is insula

I find the way our words came from Latin extremely interesting, how so much of it has survived through a couple of millennia.

>>512237813
This thread is not for the profane. Maybe if you stopped being a coomer for a few weeks you'd develop an interest in higher things like what this thread is about.

>>512237963
Thank you again, that is very helpful. It sounds like you'd lean away from the translation that currently exists.

Waste of time and effort

>>512229253 (OP)
dead language spoken by swarthoids

learn nordic runes or sanskrit instead

>>512230992
fluvius is a type of river. the type that flows into the ocean. i dont think english has a dedicated word for those. (desu river in english also comes from french/vulgar latin/norman)

>>512229253 (OP)
I speak the language of the current and previous global empire. I don’t know why I would want or need to speak brown spaghetti man.

>>512237972
What is the message of the book? That reason is antithetical to Christ? You might be interested in this book by a priest.

https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Watts

>>512237370
Or is it that people simply have a poor understanding of punctuation and no awareness of diagramming? Nothing in that sentence is ambiguous to someone with a good command of English. Any ambiguity would come merely from those lacks I described.

>>512238112
Nope, the 13,000 hours you spent in school were a waste of time.

>>512229253 (OP)
I've read this book actually
>>512229839
kind of correct but being able to understand the literature is a world of literature. Romans were the smartest people of their day, at least that anyone knows about.
They invented citizen's rights. Two civilizations tried democracy or a republic about the same time and Rome eventually became much larger.

>>512229253 (OP)
no having autism is a good one

>>512237972
You're welcome, anon.
Oof. "by reason of.." cannot be expressed that way when the original uses the preposition "ex." Good to be hesitant in English translations, some are horrendous.

>>512238129
Romance languages =/= classical Latin

>>512231501
you could have a different word for "moverover" like 'tamen'

>>512229253 (OP)
That I studied self-Latin back in middle school because I’m not a retard. Do people really reach the full legal age of adulthood without knowing any Latin or Greek? What kind of niggerworld do we live in?

>>512238775
>self-studied

Phew, maybe I need to brush up and unretard myself

>>512238538
Latin helps you structure your thoughts and reasoning explicitly instead of relying on vibes, which is important in complex and nuanced domains where your immediate intuition can lead you astray. This is also a benefit of studying Pure Mathematics, Computer Science (not code monkeying, real CS where you have to rigorously prove things on paper before implementation), and Linguistics.

>>512238129
unironically Latin alphabet is utter bullshit for representing Germanic language, especially English. Futhark runes were the way to go.

e.g.: letters Q, C, K, and using multiple letters to represent a single consular sound

>>512238448
I haven't read it. I'm almost there, currently in Irenaeus. I know Tertullian was allegedly condemned as a heretic, but his books were not. Even the heresy allegation is apparently disputed, but I haven't reached that part of my study yet.
>>512238662
You're a treasure

>>512233877
This. I read Lucretius by assuming what an English speaker would say.

>>512234488
Moldavia est in Europa.

>learning ancient Greek next semester
>textbook is supposed to be online bullshit
>buy paper book months ago
>is never delivered, get a refund
>try buying it again for $70
>check mail
>it's the work book
>buy the real paperback textbook for $115
thank goodness I can afford basic mundane shit for my education without shitting myself into debt

>>512238379
Because it's what those who rule over you study to this day. It's primarily a written language, not a spoken language. If we want to rise out of our state as slaves we need to study the things they have suppressed for us in order to enslave us. The phrase "liberal arts", like many words and phrases, has been hollowed out and bastardized. It was originally 7 subjects, grammar (Latin and Greek), logic, rhetoric, arithmetic, music, geometry and astronomy. These were called liberal arts because they liberate you and are "worthy of a free person".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education

>>512238379
>brown spaghetti man.
>>512238703

>>512239364
Yeah the original idea was that if you were rich you could afford to do things with your time other than peasant shit. The only respectable thing to do therefore was to learn.
Now it seems like most people with free time try to game to earn more money.
Me? I'll try 19th century way pf things and see how it works.

> quoque
hahaha that shit is obviously made up

>>512229298
Akkkshually, there are remote villages where Latin has been continuously spoken. Near comatose, but not dead. Not whittled down to a few thousand words and infused with the blood of sacraficed children. "Dead" is a Hebrew projection.

>>512239216
it depends on if your professor is a faggot or not too. Upper level German classes they "revised" the textbook. this thing was $300 TEN YEARS ago.

Instructor says, nah we aint playing this shit, you can use the upper level book from last semester well work through any kinks. And you'll absolutely never, ever guess the race/origin of the printing company name pulling this stunt.

>>512239551
they just jam words together sometimes and it works

>>512239630
How the fuck am I going to learn languages on my computer. I try to compartmentalize all of my schoolwork in one browser and everything else in another and that hardly works.

>oh man I'm on my gaming rig computer with all the games and 4chan and shit better work fucking hard
no goddamn way I have to study in a library or at a coffeeshop or something. At home I just want to clean things or play games or fuck off

>>512237789
I plan to study that too but I thought maybe it's best to start with Latin. Any recommendations for Greek?

>>512239031
I see what you’re saying, but can you give some examples to illustrate?

>>512239711
Just watch foreign porn with subtitles. It's how I learned Japanese, or as the nips say, "eeek eeek eeek eeeeeeeek eeeeeek eeek eeek eeeeeeeeeeeeeeek eeek eeeek eeeek!"

>>512229253 (OP)
No excuses. I'm just lazy. Latin is the only true Pan-European language, and any sense of European unity requires Latin as the official language.

>>512239364
kek, sorry about the thumbnail

>>512240022
I have my reasons for wanting to learn the big ancient languages. I like the idea of working overseas with that. With modern languages I think it's much easier to learn with conversational videos and even videogames to hear people speak and interact with them.
Fuck all videogames have actual Latin in them. You won't hear anyone else speak it in person unless you go to school.

>>512233725
I think a /pol/tard helped write the original version of that course but they took out some of the spicier phrases (e.g. "kill the wretched merchant with fire"). They also took out the comment section there before they took it out of other languages because there were too many traditionalists speaking against "the man has a husband"/"the woman has a wife" and similarly degenerate phrases.

>>512240272
lol big if true
I don't remember the kill jews with fire part but I do remember thinking the homo stuff was a bit odd

>>512229253 (OP)
Why would I study some beaner language?

>invent the Republic
>invent citizen's rights
>invent legal arguments and law petitons
>monuments you raise last 2000 years
>your standard measurement of transportation, the wagon axle, becomes the standard lasting until today's modern day train axles
>enslave half the known world
>your language lasts a thousand years longer as everyone educated learned Latin and uses it in documents while spoken languages drift apart
>and now people just don't like Italians
at least Mussolini drained a swamp

>>512229253 (OP)
Post coitum omne animal triste est sive gallus et mulier.

t. Latinum habet

>>512239934
Decker's Koine and Mastronarde's Attic. Leaf through Decker's first, then after digesting most of it move to Mastronarde but study his book more carefully. Decker's is like the appetizer that you should spend two or three weeks on. Mastronarde should take two or three months of leafing over.

While you're doing that for maybe twenty minutes a day, make charts on your for the nouns and indicative verbs. After about a month you should go to Oxytone and read texts. The best starter is Lysias.

>>512240956
>habeo*

>>512240411
I only saw the fire one once but this one was around for a while. There were at least a couple phrases along the "kill the wretched merchant" theme.

>>512240820

People don't like modern italians, they have zero to do with the romans who were nordic in appearance.

>>512240539
It's not. Romance languages grew out of Vulgar Latin, not Classical Latin. You don't say that Scott Joplin is like Robert Schumann just because both are piano music. People who have Spanish or Italian as native language have to study Latin to understand it and use it.

https://youtu.be/r1yqBt-PkT4

https://youtu.be/ruV4V5mPwW8

I studied Latin and got a PhD in a research field and now im an unemployed broke suicidal neet just saying

>>512239031
Additionally I’m not sure if Latin is absolutely the highest language for logic. Perhaps for logic—but there are certain things which are ineffable, and can only be “felt” rather than squarely explained. In the case of these things, a more ambiguous language full of implication, subtlety, and telling of feeling may be better for communication. Certain things of God we come to via logic, but other things of Him are mystically come to and cannot be explained fully in words.

>>512241677
No jobs for Latinos in Trump's America. Have you considered going back?

carthago delenda est

>>512241816

https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1754342019912870.jpg

>>512240539
https://archive.org/details/Vulgata_Clementina/bibliasacra_000_vulgataclementina_128kb.mp3
this is what it sounds like
https://ia600204.us.archive.org/7/items/multilingual_short_works_collection_021_1812_librivox/msw021_11_ecogla1_vergilius-maro_pi_128kb.mp3
Heres another good one

>>512241669
I need to get a Latin dictionary but the book above is surprisingly easy to understand, the lack of a word order is messing me up. Given i could never learn French and failed every language class I've taken I'm astounded. I have never been able to just conjugate verbs in my head naturally until now.
Thank you.

>>512241650
Romans imported everyone with their slavery schemes. Roman slavery was interesting because it was never race-based (in theory Romans didn't enslave each other though), only citizen-ship based. They knew it took at least a full generation to integrate into society after total subjugation. Also they freed about half of their slaves, at least all the ones they liked, if they lived to thirty.
The American South wanted to style itself as a new Roman aristocracy with their slaves but they made it race-based and had no incentives to make slavery humane or keep the slaves as willing participants, other than threat of torture I guess.

>>512229253 (OP)
Are you the "Why aren't you studying logic" Swede?

>>512241669
>>512242305
It sounds gay if I was going to learn a language it would be Japanese so I can watch anime without reading subtitles but that is too much work

>>512242646
but back on topic the modern American empire is making the same classic mistakes. Slavery still exists but it's purely economical now and they're trying to import foreigners to use exactly like lower-quality labor.
Right now feels a bit like the old Latifundia episode of history.

>>512229253 (OP)
American is now the European and global lingua franca. I'm not studying Latin for the same reason I'm not studying French or German or other obsolete court languages. If you can't competently work through logic problems within the confines of the language of New Rome you are a midwit, or perhaps a retard.

There's a newer color print of Lingua Latina per se Illustrata which most people will find to be more visually pleasant. For those who want to hear the Classical pronunciation Luke Ranieri did a read-through with some Italian chick. Their recordings were on YouTube along with scrolling pages of the book but I'm guessing the visual resulted in a copyright strike because all I can easily find now are the audio files without the video:
https://archive.org/details/familia-romana-and-colloquia-personarum-audio-files

>>512241816
Semantic vs syntactic ambiguity. Latin has less syntactic ambiguity. While semantic ambiguity can have its advantages in puns, for manipulation of the masses for those who are into that, possibly something more, I don't know if there are any advantages to syntactic ambiguity.
>subtlety
Not sure what you mean. You want a language to express as much as possible of subtle ideas, not to leave them subtle, the more a language helps concretize the abstract the more it's doing what it's meant to do. As for the other ideas you expressed I recommend the book I linked, and general study of the Trivium, I think it will change your idea about there being such a dichotomy. Also either something can be expressed with words or it cannot, if it can then grammar, logic and rhetoric apply to that language. Metaphor for example is rhetoric. Grammar, logic and rhetoric are not separate, but a unified system, interconnected subjects, and are the tools of thought. You can think of it as short, intermediate and long modes of conveying meaning in a text or speech. Grammar deals with the meaning in a short collection of words, such as a part of a sentence. Logic deals with the meaning in a longer collection of words, such as a sentence, or a few sentences. Rhetoric deals with the meaning in an even longer collection of words, such as a paragraph, a verse, a chapter etc. What logic is is summed up in this pic https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1754344469061144.png, which is from the book I linked earlier. Back then logic included what we call grammar and rhetoric. Operations 1 and 2 we call grammar. Operation 3 we call logic. Operation 4 we call rhetoric. So logic and the Trivium are interchangeable terms.

>>512243379
Latin is not obsolete since it's still used and since we haven't surpassed it in complexity and refinement. If you don't want to expand, cultivate and liberate your mind that's up to you, but those who rule over you do and use it against you, and if you want to break out of that you ought to do it too.

>>512242703
no one really knows how its pronounced, no one from the roman empire is alive to speak it, i have a rich voice like these two people but I pronounce it in a more english or german way

>>512229253 (OP)
>>512229298
I guess I appreciate it, but how will this help me defend Trump on Epstein and amnesty?

>>512239069
I'm wrong - "ex nascendi ratione" could indeed mean "by virtue of it's being born..."

>>512245702
It looks like "from the reason of it having been born"
Maybe use an "ergo... propter" construction

>>512245669
Latin will bolster your legalese.

>>512243379
What's the point of having two voices alternating? Do you have a link to the color version? Thanks for the link. I posted audio here >>512233012 but I don't like either of those, yours seems better. Here's the first chapter from your link.

https://archive.org/download/familia-romana-and-colloquia-personarum-audio-files/lingua%20latina%20audio.zip/FAMILIA%20ROMANA%20PARS%20I%2F1%20Imperium%20Romanum.m4a

>>512230390
All white languages are based off of Latin so a good understanding of Latin prefixes and suffixes is helpful

I learned Latin in high school. We could pick Spanish, French, and Latin and I picked the chud option

>>512245533
However way it’s pronounced it’s homo shit I ain’t studying fag

>>512229253 (OP)
What are the marginalia supposed to mean?

>>512229253 (OP)
>What is your excuse for not studying Latin?

I did. Latin slang, backchat, and insults are awesome and often mistaken for 'profound thoughts'

>Suge mentulam canis mei, homosexualis devians.

Saves time with HR.

Makes reading the Douay-Rheims Bible easier as well, you heretics.

>>512246589
I picked German in school but I wish I took Japanese because at least then I could use it. German class was based tho this was 15 years ago but everyone took it because they liked Hitler it was pretty funny

>>512229253 (OP)
OP cinaede est.

>>512246540
>All white languages are based off of Latin

Laughs in German

>>512245954
Yes.
Yes or quod causal etc.

>>512246405
The scrubbed Ranieri videos with full text:
>Capitulum 01 - Imperium Romanum - https://files.catbox.moe/zj3yws.mp4
>Capitulum 02 - Familia Romana - https://files.catbox.moe/3t7sc3.mp4
>Capitulum 03 - Puer Improbus - https://files.catbox.moe/1cjlwe.mp4
>Capitulum 04 - Dominus & Servi - https://files.catbox.moe/5ljwg8.mp4
>Capitulum 05 - Villa & Hortus - https://files.catbox.moe/etzxkw.mp4
>Capitulum 06 - Via Latina - https://files.catbox.moe/0kh9gs.mp4
>Capitulum 07 - Puella & Rosa - https://files.catbox.moe/1hntqg.mp4
>Capitulum 08 - Taberna Romana - https://files.catbox.moe/559z4u.mp4
>Capitulum 09 - Pastor & Oves - https://files.catbox.moe/heuw4i.mp4
>Capitulum 10 - Bestiae & Homines - https://files.catbox.moe/n9gpgw.mp4
>Capitulum 11 - Corpus Humanum - https://files.catbox.moe/zvf2dc.mp4
>Capitulum 12 - Miles Romanus - https://files.catbox.moe/a0art4.mp4
>Capitulum 13 - Annus & Menses - https://files.catbox.moe/n580tf.mp4
These are all the more recent recordings (with the Italian lady).

>>512247020
These show the (very) basic grammar that you should take away from this reading exercise. Italia gets declinated to Italiā after in. Sunt is the plural of est. Verb with -ne shows it's a question, e.g. est-ne.
These are annotated in that way so that you could easily look up the core concepts of each exercise by just flipping through the book, if you had a hard-copy.

>>512247181
The Germans are absolutely obsessed with Rome and Latin if you haven't noticed.
If I do a PhD for Classic's I'll at least have to learn to read German as my fifth or sixth language

>>512230992
>>512238168
It's the root for the word fluvial. When I saw it in the image I knew exactly what it meant because I know the word fluvial already.

>>512239979
Bumping for this. I just started studying Latin so I can't really produce any examples. But in something like this picture >>512232260 Latin would tell you how the parts of the sentence relate to each other using word endings, while English relies on word order, punctuation, additional words etc. It makes it more precise. One anon said something like in Latin you can just say "it did it in it" or something like that and everyone would know what you were talking about because "it" there would be several different pronouns, and they would be referring back to things previously mentioned. The thing is each such referent can refer to a word or a whole phrase, a so-called referential phrase. And when you have to spell things out constantly to avoid ambiguity such as the parentheses here >>512236105 and you have pronouns referring to big referential phrases that can become very cumbersome and difficult to understand. Just as good math simplifies and clarifies elegantly and succinctly complex matters for the mind to grasp them more easily and effectively, so Latin does, more so than English.

This video talks about referent vs referential phrase. I recommend the whole playlist.

https://youtu.be/CLymA_XOsEQ

>>512247495
Insula = insular meaning on its own, a piece of land separated from the the rest of the land, insulated from the land by the ocean.
It's nothing special either but brownoids were never known for their interest in language outside their own dumb slang.

>>512246825
youre a fag buddy get the fuck out phillistine, go learn spanish so you can hang with your nigger butt buddies

>>512246825
you could probably pick better than hobbies than 4chan

>>512241576
that's awesome

>>512247181

>>512247060
Apparently it takes normal people ten thousand hours to become advanced at a language, I learn 1,000 words in two weeks studying an hour day with mnemonics, at 3,000 words youre considered an advanced reader

>>512229253 (OP)
great thread op. at work so don't have time to scan. please drop any and all rources you recommend. i plan to study latin this winter during the doldrums.

>>512248253
10,000 hours applies to any craft or profession or skill, its the standard for mastering something anything matter what it is. language, piano, math, how to skateboard
10,000 = mastery

>>512246405
>What's the point of having two voices alternating?
At times there's no point other than sharing the work and showcasing two different voices (male versus female) with two different accents (American English versus Italian native speakers), at other times it's because it's a dialogue or can be presented as a dialogue (e.g., one asks, "Estne Gallia in Eurōpā?" and the other answers, "Gallia in Eurōpā est.").
>Do you have a link to the color version?
I bought a physical copy from the publisher. I enjoyed having it open on my desk and following along with Mr. Ranieri and the Italian girl when those videos were still up:
https://www.hackettpublishing.com/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata-series
For archival and easy searching alongside your physical copy you can find different versions on Archive.org, Library Genesis, and other internet libraries, e.g.:
https://archive.org/details/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata_202506/Lingua%20Lat%C4%ABna%20per%20s%C4%93%20ill%C5%ABstr%C4%81ta/Pars%20I/Familia%20R%C5%8Dm%C4%81na/

>>512247338
Very cool, thank you. Are there more of these? FAMILIA ROMANA goes up to Cap. XXXV.

>>512247582
Sorry, I got referent and referential phrase backwards, what I called referent is referential phrase and vice versa. So a pronoun is a referential word I guess you'd call that, while the referent is the thing referred to, and this can be a whole phrase. For an example of referent and referential phrase in an argument see this post I made: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/503448915/#503455696

>The referential phrase here, ie

>>this discrepancy

>adds something onto the referent, ie

>>the food at Marva's Diner is exceptional, while the food at the more popular Traintrack Inn is fairly ordinary

>>512248053
Have a rare official Duolingo Hitler.
archive.ph/kIAxP

>>512229253 (OP)
Porque yo estoy estudiando español o algo

>>512248568
>hoc placeo

>>512248360
I like interlinear translations, its difficult to memorize the words without a notebook and highlighter but you can imagine the advantages
>aeneid by virgil interlinear
https://archive.org/details/virgilsneidboo00virg/page/2/mode/2up
>metamorphoses by ovid interlinear
https://archive.org/details/firstbookovidsm00ovidgoog/page/n10/mode/2up
>Complete works of horace Interlinear
https://archive.org/details/HoraceCompleteInterlinear

>>512247608
>Insula = isla

Spanish for island.

>>512248892
I forgot this format existed, haven't seen it in years. Opposing page translations are far more common.

>>512245954
Didnt they know about China?

>>512248892
made your pic easier to read

>>512249051
Yea they did alongside vice versa. China even spoke to Europeans initially in Latin during the colonial era.

>>512247020
It's explaining something to the left of it. The first one there is telling you that there is a dash above a in Italiā, called a macron, when it's "in Italiā", but not when it's "Italia" (without "in"). The macron indicates long vowel. No macron indicates short vowel. From what I understand these macrons aren't normally written in Latin, it's just in books like this to show how it's pronounced.

>>512229253 (OP)
i took two years of latin in high school, which they actually offered where i grew up outside of dallas, tx, and funny enough, was taught by a short redheard fat tiddied redhead at the time, but that's besides the point

later i used this knowledge to try understanding
>etruscan
which if you look this language up, they say it's
>NON-INDO EUROPEAN

now if you ever ventured to try reading etruscan, you have to remember that the language is actually written
>RIGHT TO LEFT
just like CANAANITES do to this day

INSTEAD of being
>LEFT to RIGHT
like most humans do

knowing this, i attempted to read this one particular stele that's got etruscan carved all over it, the
>The Cippus Perusinus
once i knew it was meant to be read like canaanite language is written/read
>ESPECIALLY since their alphabet is nearly IDENTICAL to proto-hebrew/"phoenician"
i noticed it was almost identical to LATIN

"scholars" say the same shit about
>the indigenous 'hattic' people of ancient anatolia whom were basically enslaved by hittites
and
>sumerians

NEVERMIND the fact that the most DENSELY packed place containing the most ancient indo-european writings on earth are ALL from anatolia

i believe this is done by these
>(((scholars)))
because they don't want whitey realizing that not only were the OLDEST civilizations founded by white folx, but even the VERY FIRST cities were ALL founded by whitey's ancestors

>>512249425
FUCK i swear included
>picrel
for that post but here it is

the
>Cippus Perusinus

>>512248443
Certe:
>Capitulum 14 - Novus Dies - https://files.catbox.moe/h2eikt.mp4
>Capitulum 15 - Magister et Discipuli - https://files.catbox.moe/rqbjv6.mp4
>Capitulum 16 - Tempestas - https://files.catbox.moe/wi5xus.mp4
>Capitulum 17 - Numeri Difficiles - https://files.catbox.moe/ht9noe.mp4
>Capitulum 18 - Litterae Latinae - https://files.catbox.moe/9ospv5.mp4
>Capitulum 19 - Maritus et Uxor - https://files.catbox.moe/9o2h9f.mp4
>Capitulum 20 - Parentes - https://files.catbox.moe/r1bafj.mp4
>Capitulum 21 - Pugna Discipulorum - https://files.catbox.moe/x6y9sd.mp4
>Capitulum 22 - Cave Canem - https://files.catbox.moe/65vrqi.mp4
>Capitulum 23 - Epistula Magistri - https://files.catbox.moe/2tybr2.mp4
>Capitulum 24 - Puer Aegrotus - https://files.catbox.moe/5nlup0.mp4
>Capitulum 25 - Theseus et Minotaurus - https://files.catbox.moe/kwehqn.mp4
>Capitulum 26 - Daedalus et Icarus - https://files.catbox.moe/7rim8t.mp4

>>512249425
>NEVERMIND the fact that the most DENSELY packed place containing the most ancient indo-european writings on earth are ALL from anatolia

>>512245702
>>512245954
Is it ambiguous? You said "could mean"

>>512249425
>a short redheard fat tiddied redhead
i sat next to one of those in my 9th grade latin class

>the OLDEST civilizations founded by white folx, but even the VERY FIRST cities were ALL founded by whitey's ancestors
yeah, atlantis. this is what hitler believed. there were two very very ancient secret brotherhoods, aryans and hasidic who fought a war very, very long ago. the aryans lost

but that's just a story

>>512247338
>>512249673
Thank you. Where did you get these from? If you have one link for all that would be good to have.
>>512248443
Thank you.

>>512249761
>yeah, atlantis
no

bullshit

fantasical nigger-judaism

absolutely no prood of it ever existing

stop trying to shit my points

I ALREADY gave proof that it's not from some bullshit made up place like you're literally trying to do
>>512249730

>>512249912
i said it was just a story, chill your tits

>>512248360

>>512248253
>mnemonics
elaborate

>>512249673
gratias tibi, anon. lingua latīna est aeterna.

LATIN (Classical)

Gwynne's Latin: The Ultimate Introduction to Latin Including the Latin in Everyday English
Kennedy's Revised Latin Primer
Lingua Latina Pars I: Familia Romana + Colloquia Personarum + Sermones Romani + Caesar: De Bello Gallico + Pars II: Roma Aterna
Latin Grammar (B. L. Gildersleeve, Gonzalez Lodge)
http://wheelockslatin.com/
Oxford Latin Dictionary
Etymological Dictionary of Latin and the Other Italic Languages (Michiel de Vaan)

https://www.youtube.com/user/ScorpioMartianus
https://www.youtube.com/user/latintutorial
https://latintutorial.com/
http://dcc.dickinson.edu/latin-vocabulary-list

>>512250143
you literally didn't

stick to your own history, canaanite

>>512249051
The full extent of Sino-Roman relations is uncertain but they were at least somewhat aware of each other:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations
The videos
>Ancient Chinese Historian Describes The Roman Empire // 3rd century AD "Weilüe" // Primary Source
and
>Roman Scholar Describes Ancient China // 1st century AD // Pliny the Elder on the "Seres"
by Voices of the Past narrate translations of some cool documents if you're into that:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLScfDaP0dte20jwHf9DxJddRAkbkBAqBN

>>512250371
its a method of memorization, with practice, an entirely average person can memorize the random order of a deck of cards in 15 minutes, and recite the order back without looking at it by associating the cards with images, senses, onomatopoeia, etc. say if youre going to memorize a deck of cards and you pull a king of diamonds you might imagine the patriarch donald trump to symbolize wealth and power holding a diamond. You imagine him next to a cabinet in your room perhaps, and then you pull another card and the scene keeps going it changes to another point in your room with new characters to symbolize the next card. You might feel how something tastes, you might want to practice the word alvi in latin meaning belly or womb etc., you might imagine ALmonds being spread on the ground around you next to a pregnant woman, you might pick up an almond and taste it and smell it, the almonds might grow legs and spell out alvi you might eat them and have them in your stomach, you might associate all of that with an important life event.
Its more mental effort than running your eyes over it, but the goal is to build associations with memorable imagery, thoughts, and feeling