Napoleon was a Chad?

>>512230633 (OP)
He conquered most of Europe and stood against evil British imperialism. Of course he was a chad.

>>512230633 (OP)
He was a manlet.
Manlets can't be Chad.
I don't make the rules.

>>512230633 (OP)
He looks Germanic.

>>512230633 (OP)
Whadda fugg whoooaaa duuudee
Look at his looks! Looksmaxxed looks visual culture To See And Be seen Shall Be TheWhole Of The Law Bro WhooaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAaaaaaaooooo i am gunna cum jixz alll ober muhselfff

Look at his face broooo

>>512230633 (OP)

>>512230908
Haven’t laughed at this meme since 1999

>>512230633 (OP)
The English (and their American golems) are still seething about Napoleon to this day, that alone makes him the chaddest man to ever exist.

>>512230633 (OP)
He wrote book on warfare.
First general to realize that modern war is all artillery.
Doesn't matter how many men you have, or how brave they are, or how good marksmen they are
If your opponent has more/bigger guns he's going to beat you

>>512230798
He was above average in height actually. The idea that he was a manlet stems from confusion about which feet were used to describe him, I believe either French or British feet.

>>512230868
Like women.
Like a bunch of gossipy old fucking idiot crone whores

>>512231179
What did he say about drones though

>>512230633 (OP)
looks like a Architect from that one movie

>>512230798
Anglo kike propaganda.

>>512230633 (OP)
He had some peculiar sexual preferences.

>>512230763
>conquered Europe
>British imperialism
You get today’s retarded nigger award, good job champ

>>512230763
>evil Bong Imperialism
He was the second greatest military commander in history and he was an interesting character but holy hell why does it always have to be good guise and bad guise with you people? He was doing the exact same goddam thing as the British honestly which is fine but let's not pretend he was fight voldemort goddam.

>most accurate rendering
>disregarding portraits which were commissioned while he was breathing
why is a bust more accurate? arent there coins with his face on them?

>>512231179
He didn't win only because artillery, he won because he had his Grande Armée divided into multiple corps independently run by his other generals, so instead of solo leading an army of 100K, he had 5 people leading "smaller" armies of 20K each which allowed him to move faster and always outmaneuver his enemies, cut their supply lines and encircle them. In fact, his strategies are still copied to this day.

>>512230837
he was corsican, the farthest european from what you are implying

>>512231429
Too many summerfag kids here that’s why mate

>>512230633 (OP)
>Napoleon was a Chad?
No, was a GigaChud, like every italian.

>>512230633 (OP)
Jay Leno chin

>>512231489
Which is more accurate, a picture of a cat or a drawing of a cat?

If you agree that it's the photo, what makes the photo more accurate?

>>512231596
Kek

>>512231281
If you read his commentaries on Caesar (let's be honest you won't read shit), he actually says explicitly that if Caesar or any great commander were to be transported to another time with different technologies etc. that they would adjust quickly and be nearly as or just as effective.

>>512230633 (OP)
He made a pact with the jews to offer the french citizenship
obviously not a chad but a huge traitor

>>512230633 (OP)
Napoleon was black?!

>>512230633 (OP)
His face is absolutely covered in scars from battle. Pretty sick.

>>512231619
a hundred photographs is more accurate than a drawing. a hundred portraits is more accurate than one bust. citations, and the number of, indicate the strength of scientific research.

>>512230633 (OP)
alpinid tuscan warrior features

>>512231594
He was Corsican, and early in his life he was a Corsica nationalist.

>>512230633 (OP)
That’s Cipriani, Napoleons Corsican valet. It’s often mistaken for napoleons. We know napoleon had gained much weight before his death and wouldn’t have been so emaciated. This is probably the most accurate death mask (there’s like 40 and they all look similar, but different. Like Cipriani, Napoleon was Corsican with mostly Lombard and Tuscan heritage)

>>512231619
It's a death mask you absolute doinks

>>512230633 (OP)
Corsicans, like Balkanniggers and Norse are I haplogroup. Antediluvian Chad for you niggers.

>>512231429
>the second greatest military commander in history
Who was the first?

>>512231511
Corsica is close to Germany you retard, you don't know how genes go?! How people move.

>>512232027
Caesar by wide margin

>>512231698
He stated that it is important to assimilate them into french culture, so that they would not behave like people of jewish culture but rather french. Otherwise they will keep being a nuissance as they did and still do

>>512231883
He reminds me of German men.

>>512231419
>>512231429
>Perfidious Albion apologists
Hate to break it to you, but the Anglo is the most evil creature on the planet. And I say this as an ethnic Englishman. The Brittanoid is a vile, mean-spirited bastard who only exists as a jester to pleasure their Germanic monarch's senses, and they only succeed at that simple task some of the time. They are genetically bitter mongrels who attempt to impose their will upon others. Not just faraway jeets and negroes but also upon their fellow European man. And for all of that they deserve their fate today.

>>512231801
He doesn't have to make any facial expression to show he's strong, powerful, a leader.

>>512230633 (OP)
Dude looks like Woody Harrelson. Even nose is a bit crooked like Woody has.

>>512231509
He won because the French army revolutionized mass conscription and was basically the premiere army of the world and whooped the Coalitions before Napoleon himself even came to power

>>512231801
Lol, does anyone else remember when Sizzi got bullied off of /pol for being a literal faggot and thinking that somehow northern wops are better than southern wops? Fun fact: all wops are niggers (except furlans, obviously)

>>512230798
>He was a manlet.
Do they teach you at school that Napoleon's height jokes were just British propaganda. He was of average height for the period.

>>512231042
I have even heard Napoleon being compared to Hitler. Usually by US thots and poor fuckers.
Truth is he fought against banks, gave many countries decent constitutions and fostered merit based advancement instead of aristocracy.
A saint.

>>512231419
Who funded the Britons against Napoleon? Answer this.

>>512231429
>let's not pretend he was fight voldemort goddam.
Ending EU aristocracy.

>>512231429
no he wasn't. defending yourself from kigns who band to band together against you to attack your country and extinguish the revolution isn't being imperialist. its being free and fighting against evil seeking to submit you.

the kigns wanted to play a "its you or us" game and so we played that game, they felt bold becaus ethey thought they would win easily because they re many versus one but this simply shows the limits of rationality and "rational" "men" 's "knowledge"

>>512230798
Bullshit I exist

>>512231412
Is he on the Epstein list with Trump?

>>512232066
Explain why the margin is so wide.

>>512230633 (OP)
Of course, he was Italian.

>>512230633 (OP)
checked

Napoleon was a jew

>>512232056
>Corsica
>Close to Germany
At its closest the ISLAND is over 600 kilometers from the borders of Germany

>>512232213
>NOOO YOU CANT JUST FUND THE ARMIES OF THE PEOPLE WHO SIDE WITH YOU
Kill yourself shitalian, nobody likes you.

>>512232265
The amount of conquered and controlled territory, I think the Roman empire controlled the most territory in history, could be wrong but it was quite vast

>>512232213
“muh for the period”

he was a french midget. he is lil and your reply will be ignored.

>>512232358
IT'S VERY CLOSE YOU SON OF A BITCH!!
Not bordering but close enough.

>>512230959
Did this meme exist in 1999?

>>512232193
Before Napoleon came to power AKA the revolutionary wars, Napoleon, at the time an insignificant brigadier general captured Italy, he was always great.

>>512231801
If he put on muscle he would look good

>>512231429
Who do you put as first? Julius Caesar? Alexander the Great?

its just a french guy with wider face cause higher T hes got a pretty small mouth actually and in many pictures he looks like a nerd which he probably was

everyone tries to say hes italian but he look very french so either real italians look simialr to french, or he was not italian and french instead. both outcomes displease the jew always trying to undermine all white men and create dissent

>>512231429
Because he was a competent leader in both the military and civics. France was really picked up out of the gutter by him and even when he was banish to Elba he improved the lives of people living there so much so they still idolize him to this day. Napoleon was good for Europe but in typical British and German fashion they had to ruin the man who could uplift the people

>>512231419
>>512231570
Filthy Anglo is mad that no one remembers the Duke of Wellington's name even after he defeated Napoleon.

>>512230633 (OP)
Military genius, and conqueror. Yea he was a chad. He was also a terrible person, and emancipated Jews. He’s one of the reasons Europe is so shit now

>>512231509
>Grande Armée divided into multiple corps independently run
This was just a copy of the Roman legion system

>>512232510
Yes, that distance is 600 kilometers. Napoleon was of Tuscan heritage, he was not Germanic, he was more Mediterranean.

>>512232265
Well let's see, Napoleon blundered in Spain and had a debacle, then committed perhaps one of the literal worst military blunder in human history in Russia, got chased back across Germany, then btfo in France and had his capitol taken, and exiled and came back to get btfo by a foppish Big Nosed Bong.

Meanwhile all Caesar did was win. Everywhere he went. Win win win. He never got BTFO. He got defeated in one battle by Pompey and then ended up winning anyways. He had a minor-ish debacle in Egypt too but ended extricating himself. And he was a better politician too- the ultimate smooth operator. His political maneuvering make Napoleon look like some kind of dope honestly when you look at some of the stuff Napoleon did. Dont get me wrong Napoleon is a strong No. 2 of all time which is no laughing matter but Caesar never lost. Iberia, Gaul, Rome, Eastern Provinces, Egypt, Asia Minor, North Africa, back to Iberia. He just kicked everyone's ass everywhere all the time.

>>512230633 (OP)
lmfao literally chud face

>>512230633 (OP)
Possibly the greatest general in history and also a certified genius. Yeah Alexander conquered more and didn't lose but he did it against middle easterners.

>>512232157
Based. Francais Acadien? l'amour du Canada.

>>512232189
This

>>512232535
Yeah? And France was stomping the coalitions before. By the end of his reign when the rest of the GPs were catching up to the French army, he was taking more and more losses and his victories were no longer decisive. He was an amazing general, but people are giving him way too much credit like he took over a third rate country barely hanging on.

>>512232461
The amount Caesar conquered wasn't much compared to Alexander, though.

>>512232666
>According to studies by G. Lucotte and his coauthors based on DNA research since 2011, Napoleon Bonaparte belonged to Y-DNA (direct male ancestry) haplogroup E1b1b1c1* (E-M34*). This 15000-year-old haplogroup has its highest concentration in Ethiopia and in the Near East (Jordan, Yemen). According to the authors of the study, "Probably Napoléon also knew his remote oriental patrilineal origins, because Francesco Buonaparte (the Giovanni son), who was a mercenary under the orders of the Genoa Republic in Ajaccio in 1490, was nicknamed The Maure of Sarzane." The latest study identifies the common Bonaparte DNA markers from Carlo (Charles) Bonaparte to 3 living descendants
Mofo was Somalian! GOD!

>>512230633 (OP)
>invade russia
>lose your whole army
>still a manlet
>get sent to an manlet island
lmao when will they learn

>>512232752
>but he did it against middle easterners.

Those middle easterners were pre Turkoman invasion. Totally different ethnic group than what is in the middle east today.

>>512232684
ceasar founght uncivilized people who didnt try. without peril you triumph without glory. napoleon has more credit than caesar in my eyes. and his fight was more just and beautiful. he didnt take on uncivilized shitholes. he took on the baddest countries with all full functional armies etc. dunking on hobbits chilling i ngaul isnt a feat. and he even almost lost in alesia. never fully took the germans either. hes whatever

taking down browns isnt a huge feat. taking down germans whenthey re tryin harding with tactics and technology is something else, rather than them wering leaves and screaming to odin. you re probably indian and think italians are brown

>>512230633 (OP)

>>512230798
Mini-chads are a thing. And he wasn't a manlet, he was about 170 cm, an average height for a man in those times.

>>512231509
Simply dividing up your forces could result in each unit being defeated individually by the enemy, and even a slight miscalculation could lead to disastrous failure.
It is truly an art form. It requires predicting the enemy's actions and careful advance planning, and involves a high degree of risk, making it very difficult for mediocre generals. It was even more so before the establishment of modern means of communication.

>>512232684
noone gives a fuck about Napoleon, thats all you need to know

>>512230798
>>512232490
nothing wrong with being small <3

>>512232765
My grandmother was from Ardèche and apparently once made a scene on a subway because a Quebecois said French Canadians spoke Parisian French. Lmao.

That said, all French descendants are brothers. More so than any of the English I've met. 95% of the people I've met or interacted with from the UK are shitheads.

Inb4 "mutt." Yeah most wealthy whites are pan-European amalgamations.

>>512232962
Wow, Caesar stomped the Greeks and Mithriadates who was an amazing general, the Egyptians and other Romans including Pompey who was considered the greatest general of his time. His accomplishments are much greater than Napoleon with equal adversaries. Napoleon's adversaries were not equal except the Russians who he rarely won against

>>512232684
>then committed perhaps one of the literal worst military blunder in human history in Russia
Sick of this meme. He literally made it all the way to Moscow. All he had to do was camp there for the winter. But the soldiers got rowdy and accidentally burned the city down, which was hardly his fault.

>>512232962
>fought uncivilized people.
You dope Caesar spent the last years fighting Rome three separate times, Egypt, and Asia Minor. I mean Pompey was called Alexander reborn kek. Egypt you name it. He took all comers. His own best lieutenant- Lebeinus- Caesar beat everyone.

Napoleon can never be the best wheb he committed literally the worst military blunder in human history and got btfo back to his capitol and defeated. I mean honestly he is great a mastermind if warfare a genius there will probably never be another but he cannot eclipse Caesar.

>>512233205
>camp there for the winter.
There was no food/fodder there. He had to get out before the winter or starve.
What he should have done is plant French flag on Kremlin, declare victory, then return to Lithuania before winter with warning to Tsar that he would come back and do it all again next year if he remained stubborn.

>>512230633 (OP)
Nordic.

>>512233026
George Washington mogged.

>>512233401
>never won a battle in his life

>>512232919
Either way defeating a zillion dudes with wicker shields using bronze covered phalanx seems less impressive than wiping the floor with every European power for like 15 years.

>>512230633 (OP)
He looks like an engineer from Prometheus.

>>512233205
It was a terrible blunder he lost half a million men being hardheaded. Still a great general one of the greats but it was a terrible blunder and it is remembered as such for a reason.

Tgere is a tendency when something becomes a meme to be contrarian about it. You must be fuller than a tick on stump liquor to actually argue with a straight fave that the Russian campaign wasnt one of the worst blunders in history kek. Just look what happened afterwards.

>>512230633 (OP)
No wonder he was world leader

>>512233498
Napoleon is greater than Alexander but not Caesar imho.

>>512233498
This. Peer warfare is exponentially harder than warfare against inferior peoples.

>>512232786
Before he lost two of his most trusted generals in Marat and Bernadotte who became King Of Sweden for some reason. He also wasn't a one trick pony, he won in an impressive wide range of styles, from direct confrontation to encircling his enemies and making them surrender without even fighting. Honestly, if Napoleon didn't rush his Russian invasion, he could have probably subjugated all the rest permanently, at some points of his reign he barely had any viable enemies besides the British who were mostly unwilling to directly fight him, and the Russians who were too far away to directly threaten him without convincing their Austrian and Prussian neighbors.

>>512233832
Who are you calling a one trick pony? I mean I agree Napoleon was a great genius commander but he eventually got btfo.

All I'm saying is Caesar was never btfo.

>>512233374
he did commit a huge bludner. im not sur eits a blunder tho. would an esport player make a move simialr to someone whos new at the game? might have been intentional from the international people. they took over shit and asked napoleon to throw it ? when blunders ar ethat bad and egregious, suspicion is required

anyway you cant measure prowess just by syaign this or that he took this he took that, everything is meaningless without context

>>512230798
Chadlet

>>512233832
>for some reason
the king of sweden at the time had no heir and Sweden wanted to side with the winner at the time so they chose Bernadotte. Didn't matter much since they swapped sides and then lost Swedish Pomerania kekkk

This shows that Napoleon was black.

>>51223370

>>512233374
I think the greatest general in history is probably General Patton who defeated the strongest army in history (wehrmacht).

>>512233205
>But the soldiers got rowdy and accidentally burned the city down
The cossacks burned Moscow down on orders of russian military command. Fabian tactics + winter.

>>512233985
All I'm saying is we have to take into account the fact that his career ended with him getting irrevocably btfo. And if we compare to Caesar, his career ended by getting done by a bunch of senate dopes before he could go with yet another campaign. He was never btfo and that counts for alot wheb we are trying to choose No. 1 vs No. 2

>>512233189
You should start studying French and learn more of your heritage and culture. It is a crime what the American government did to French culture in Louisiana. Also Canadian French is an "old" french. European French speakers can understand us no problem it is just we use older words. Think like if you spoke English to someone and instead of saying " I am buying a car" they said "I am purchasing an automobile". That is a rough idea of the difference.

>>512234177
Kek nice b8. For me it is
>Caesar
>Napoleon
>Alexander
>Scipio
>Hannibal
>Cortes
>Adolphus

>>512230798
Manlets can ascend into chadhood if they have killed many men. I am a special forces short chad and women get wet as hell for me because they know I have killed dozens of men in combat

>>512234133
>Quoting a post from ten years ago.
Jesus Christ what fucking time space anomaly did you get stuck in?

extremely, insanely energetic, out of this world lucky, like one in a billion lucky, not even slightly underestimated, quite above avarage tactician, but nothing special, and absolutely retarded strategist. this is most brutally honest and neutral characterization of Napoleon.

>>512230798
every single actually 'great' man is and would be considered a manlet. tallfags don't actually do anything.

>>512231801
whole lotta weird copey words to admit that he's ugly

>>512231235
No its because he only recruited the most massive people to be in his personal guard. so he looked small by comparison, even if he was average or above

>>512230633 (OP)
reminds me of Mussolini

>>512230633 (OP)
You're god damned right he was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swvDeHDmyFw

>>512234445
Yes, only napoleon did anything. all the other french people were sleeping.

>>512230798
>manlet
For his time no he wasn't, but also you don't need to be tall to kill people and lead people into battle.

>>512230633 (OP)
He is always portrayed as an autistic weirdo but he was actually an 11/10 charismatic as most major leaders are.


He literally rose from basically a nobody to emperor of Europe on sheer will alone. He was a chad

>>512230798
He was average height for a French male at the time

>>512230633 (OP)
he was BLACK

>>512234429
>he's lucky and bad
>t. lost moscow in a week
>i'm objective btw

>>512234429
See I dont think you are giving him enough credit. He was definitely a genuis level tactician and strategic mind. Tactically almost always superb, strategically just look how he changed how militaries operated and concentrated etc etc. He was head and shoulders above everyone of his time imho.

He was- like the French are well known to be- too sanguine. He got drunk with success, and he finally rolled the dice a few times too many and got btfo.

>>512232213
>average height for the period
is this another way of saying he was a manlet?

>>512230798

BASED AMERIMUTT MACKIN ON THEM FRENCHIES

Yes, he was an absolute turbo chad, people don't even realize how good this fucker was.

>France is in economic turmoil, things are bad.
>Napoleon created the Bank of France
>Bank of France was the only bank authorised to issue monetary values, effectively cutting out every other bank from their system.
>Offers zero interest loans to his own people to uplift his nation
>In 1806 Napoleon suspended payment of debts owed to Jewish moneylenders for one year to warn against usury to the Jewish population, Napoleon fucking hates usury.
>France starts prospering like crazy without the usury system fucking things up
>Central banking cartel disliked that.exe
>They cut off France from funding
>France sells Louisiana to the burgers to fund its society and military
>Napoleon tells Russia to blockade Britain to starve them out
>Russia loses their access to metals, eventually betrays France because they want metal
>Napoleon retaliates and attacks Russia, we all know how that worked out.


The whole thing was basically Napoleon trying to get the fuck away from the central banking system and he almost succeeded.
The more you look into history the more stuff like this you'll encounter.
All of the really great wars are basically central banks either trying to get more power or trying to retain control over some "dictator" who wants his country to be free from their control.

>>512231042
America was on France’s side during the napoleonic era

We literally fought an entire war from 1812-1814 agaisnt the British right after Napoleon gave us a sweetheart deal for Louisiana

>>512233947
I wasn't part of the Caesar discussion, but yes, Caesar is great, even Napoleon considers him the best general in history, he even lamented his "lack of accomplishments" compared to Caesar (at the time he was only a brigadier general, but he had already captured Italy and made it a subject of France, and had won against Austria twice). Although Caesar was undeniably great, his only real unquestionable conquest was subjugating the Germanic tribes in Gaul, Napoleon made all of Europe sue for peace, and directly captured Italy, Spain, parts of Prussia, Austria and made himself the protector of Germanic confederation he created in Prussia.

Paternal haplogroup e1b1b (North Africa)

>>512234753

He was 5'7 when the average european males height was around 5'4, it would be like being 6'1ish today. His guards were the biggest men he could find in france/germany, making him look small in comparison.

>>512232066
>>512232066
nope

https://medium.com/data-science/napoleon-was-the-best-general-ever-and-the-math-proves-it-86efed303eeb

>>512234954
Just like shitler

>>512233101
get out of japan english teaching queer

>>512234445
Actually kinda true. Other than Sam Hyde and nigger basketball players, when has anyone tall ever done anything remembered or great? Talls are fags

>>512234753
No it's saying that his height of 5 foot 2 was considered small, but 5 foot 2 referred to French feet which for some reason were larger than British feet, so that in British feet Napoleon size would 4 foot 6 which is average size then, but is manlet size today.

>>512230633 (OP)
One does wonder, how far he would have risen if there was no French Revolution. His family was nobility, albeit minor. Still, that would have opened some doors for him. He had the potential to be a marshall, A minor noble becoming a marshall was not unheard of in the Old Regime. Though unless France went to war, he would not have had the opportunity to prove himself. If i was to make a guess, he would have made it as high as colonel if there was no war. General if there was with the potential for Marshall.

>>512234890
The conquest of gaul is no minor matter. Then he goes back to Rome/Illyria and btfos the best roman general (besides himself) leading a massive Roman army. Then he goes and dicks around in Egypt and seiges its capitol with almost no troops for like a year. Then goes to Asia Minor and btfos the same people who it took Pompey years to deal with in weeks. Then goes to Northern Africa and btfos a Roman army again. Then goes to Iberia and btfos another Roman army being led by probably the third best military leader of their time.

>>512234201
>cossacks burned Moscow down
Washington did same to New York to deny town to the British
Probably where Russians got the idea

>>512234775
the simple answer is that monarchs wanted to end the revolution and that napoleon was either working for the jews or became too idolized and no one slapped him in the face when ht etohught of attacking ice pokemons during winetr with an army that relies on onsite food without your people being cannibals.

you cant sayrevolution is jewish and then say they wante dnapoleon to lose.

un less you think jews had so much control they tohught they would have it long enoguh just to make the revolution and kneecap monarchies then stop napoleon at the end so he doesnt get control for himself either. but jews didnt force napoleon. he was the fucking emperor. he was either a mole since the start; or he got stupid and people aroudn him lacked the balls to tell him no, they might gotten stupid too

all of french shti is just us being neurotic egocentric anrcissistis. we need history s lessons and the modern education with psychology and logic etc to function. shit was inevitable

>>512234445
>tallfags don't actually do anything.
de Gaulle was a big guy.
Orwell was another.
One consequence of being big is you don't give a fuck what other people think. It makes you a big asshole.
But some things can only be done by big assholes.

>>512235053
>The math proves it
Holy reddit. Look here's some math for you:
>Times Caesar got btfo and driven back to his Capitol and defeated in detail and exiled: 0
>Times Napoleon got btfo and driven back to his Capitol and defeated in detail and exiled: 2
Which number is bigger? 0 or 2?

>>512234732
>>512234744
you two kids should read more books, letters and memoires from that era. stay neutral, read all the sides, Nepoleons friends, comrades and opponents. for you, pierre, I dodnt say he was bad, dont lie, and for you, John, back in that era alone there were so many absolutely genius tacticians and brilliant field commanders you wouldnt believe. way, waaay better than Nepoleon. but none of them was both out of this wordly energetic and lucky enought to fire up his troops and everyone arround, and stay alive for so many years.

>>512232247
>Hangs out with a little girl
>Spent much of his life on an island
Check outs.

>>512233101
On warfare of that scale, it doesn't matter considering the following:
>No army sends 100k soldiers in a single wave
>The number of soldiers doesn't matter as much once you introduce artillery/fire arms
Also, you seem to think these armies wouldn't help each others.
If a 20k army needed more, they would request aid from another.
The point the other Anon was making is that the army would be akin to an octopus: every branch has its own brain and agency, but they all act to serve the main body.

>>512235287
That military school in France he attended was only open to nobles.
And because he was a minor noble he had to go into least glamorous arm of the army, artillery.

>>512230633 (OP)
Napoleon was black?

>>512231972
Napoleon is confirmed Haplogroup E

>>512235811
Fair. The details I do not claim to know.

>>512231429
Because Hollywood treats every fight as a good vs evil narrative with no nuance and that's all my country knows

Napoleon, Caesar, or Alexander?

>>512235361
Yes, in the context of Roman politics, Caesar did pacify all those who stood against him, and eventually ended with no rivals in the entirety of the Roman Republic, but in terms of direct conquest, he didn't do as much as Alexander, Napoleon or even Hannibal.

>>512235949
Alexander's empire broke up after he died
Napoleon's broke up while he was still alive
Caesar's endured for five centuries

>>512235555
Look I'm familiar with basically all his Marshalls and some of his predecessors and his more notable opponents and you simply cannot compare them to Napleon. We can do the x's and o's thing and try to evaluate them.. but at the end of the day we can ONLY judge peoppe by what they accomplished. And true fortune is always hard to separate out but for Napoleon the success was too consistent and of such a magnitude that you cannot possibly with a straight face try to compare him to some of the albeit gifted but less consequential commanders of the time.

>>512235403
>when ht etohught
>winetr
>sayrevolution
>tohught
>anrcissistis
step 1, clean your key board
step 2, proof read
or....
do you have frog fingers?

>>512235251
Fuck off, I'm Indigenous to holy Nippon.
Get out of Earth, some artificial thing.
Or talk about semaphore telegraph and its revolutionary nature in the Napoleonic era.

>>512236050
Again Hannibal got driven back home and btfo catastrophically. Napoleon- driven to his Capitol and btfo catastrophically.

When we get to the highest level and we are asking who is the greatest of all time? These are the things that matter. Getting btfo and destroyed is no minor petty matter. It is a big deal. Am I the only one who thinks it is a big deal kek?

Also Alexander's escapade was basically set up by his father and while it was great and legendary for a reason it had no real effect whatsoever long term. Caesar was ok hard mode from day one in Roman politics and he essentially undid the republic part of the Roman republic. It was a big fucking deal bro.

>>512231412
You don't get awarded Ziggy Piggy without having some serious balls, my friend.
And let's be clear, to the winners (ziggy piggies) go the spoils (to his left).

>>512230633 (OP)
Someone give him a broccoli haircut

>>512232066
I'm historically retarded, but what about Alexander?

Do you think he knew he would go down in folklore to be as great as Alexander the Great?

>>512231596
.

>>512236781
Was basically set up to conquer by his father. Spectacular victories for like a full decade. Never had to worry much about politics. Conquests evaporated when he died of drinking and partying too much.

>>512231489
Because its a cast of his actual face.

>>512230798
This guy has a point. Even if he looked like a chad he would be a minichad at best.

Wow his face was so beautiful. Do you know if he would hump the assets of fawning vain schozidal incels on the internet?

>>512236576
So would you say that Tariq Ibn Ziyad's conquest of Iberia is more relevant than Napoleon's conquests, since not only did he win and capture it, Muslims kept the territory for over 700 years.

>>512236905
His father was very skilled in his own right, but Alexander's conquests far outshone his and were entirely his own. His conquests didn't evaporate, the successor kingdoms lasted for around three centuries. Also, he was likely poisoned.

>>512230798
He was actually average height for men at the time, it's just that his fucking personal guards were all 6'6" gigachads, so he always looked short in comparison.

>>512237012
It seems it was so.

>>512234208
Caesar is absolute number 1. I would put Alexander 2nd and Napoléon 3rd though.
Another less known one, more a defensive one, is Georges Kastrioti. Machiavel credits him as the best defensive general as well. Never lost a battle in his life. Routinely btfo turks, italians and serbs, always at a numerical disadvantage, sometimes 10 or more to 1.
Even went on the offensive in Italy just to help his friend and won there too.
If he had more people he could have been another Caesar or Alexander.
>>512235391
>Probably where Russians got the idea
Yes, russians copied some 4th grade bumfuck shithole guerilla leader in a a skirmish in a far away land known only for circus performances in Europe at the time instead of the roman generals who were in every military curriculum and probably still are. Makes sense.

>>512236781
well he died at 32

>>512237045
Incredibly successful campaign. Had considerable implications for centuries. Never defeated. Definitely a notable commander.

But let's just look at the scope of it I mean what a 3-4 year campaign? Relatively small number of troops? He just isn't comparable to a Caesar or Napoleon.

>>512235539
so you want to arbitrarily choose a metric that includes exile as the standard by which to measure the greatest general in history? ok then i arbitrarily choose the metric of assassination by your own people

>Times Napoleon was assassinated by how own people: 0
>Times Caesar was assassinated by how own people: 1
Therefore, Napoleon was better

>>512236905
>>512237155
Whatever the verdict, the story about Caesar weeping at a statue of Alexander because he accomplished so much at a young age brings a tear to my eye for some reason. Raw motivation fuel imho

>>512237045
Let's compare what's comparable here. I'm willing to give credit to the ottomans but a faggot moor conquering spanish city states already strained by germanic goth faggots in a civil war is not impressive.

>>512234208
>He was never btfo
yes he was

>>512230633 (OP)
Nice rabbit hole these death masks, thanks op.

>>512237427
Look as a military commander getting completely annihilated and btfo across a whole continent into your capitol and exiled is sort of a big deal? Are you so stupid you cant see this? Or are you just sand bagging?

It's a way bigger deal than not being on the ball with personal security I mean just because a bunch of dopes do you in with daggers at the senate meeting doesnt really reflect poorly on your military escapades imho.

>>512237427
Caesar had the better popularity in that when the senators took to the streets proclaiming that Caesar was dead, none of the people were happy with it. Napoleon was pretty widely reviled when he went into exile, he taxed outside france too much, and that gave the deposed aristocracy the opening they needed to overthrow him.

>>512237155
And Gaius Julius only started his polittical career at around 30 - Ceaser basically neeted it up to his thirties and then got into political work as a hobby.
It's crazy to think about what could have been if Alexander got the same lifespan as Ceasar did.
Or in turn if Ceaser started as early as Alexander. But that's the reminder of God, we're all merely mortals after all

>>512237113
He was probably pretty short for a rich person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwI63uOVDLs
Napoleon was mobbed by rabbits.

>>512237448
the jews let the moors in the city gates literally, it's not even a similar comparison

>>512237641
I mean yes he got stabbed but that's because his opponents literally could never defeat him in military campaign or politics. He was defeated by Pompey in a battle and there was a handful of losses in Gaul but he never lost a campiagn.

>>512234775
he was a nigger that liberated the Jews all over Europe and spread the french revolution
you kikes really must stop your Napoleon spam
noone gives a fuck about that

>>512230868
kek it really do be like that tho

>>512237763
In a few cities yes. Toledo for instance.
But it wasn't even a cohesive state. It was a bunch of city states ruled by inbred germans of the goth strain, who zerged the peninsula a few decades earlier and did nothing but fight each other for pigs and goats.

>>512230798
it's a manlet world, lanklets are just living in it

>>512232080
AND THEN THEY TOOK CONTROL OF IT
the vast majority of all the celebs, politicians and billionaires are jews
France is dead because of that

>>512230798
>He was a manlet.
That's a history myth. He was average for the day, not five two like is reported.

>>512237448
>>512237347
I'm not even saying he should be considered one of the greatest commanders in history, even though he was great too. If anything, you're agreeing with me, he was conqueror, but he didn't change much in the grand scope of things, Napoleon and Caesar completely changed politics forever, Napoleon destroyed a millennium old institution in the Holy Roman Empire, and Caesar made sure that the struggling Roman Republic permanently died with him.

>>512237675
>Are you so stupid you cant see this?
no i'm trying to make you realize that you're the stupid one. you claimed that caesar was the greatest general "by a wide margin." if you want to compare the military accomplishments of generals then you need to look at their entire careers, not just their greatest losses. well, i mean you can do that, but it's not an accurate representation of their entire military career

>>512232066
>Caesar by wide margin
Cannot really concur. It's hard to argue with the sheer amount of Napoleon's victories. Caesar's victories are technically impressive though, including fighting a siege whilst fighting off it's relief force simultaneously, something which is exceptionally hard to do.
I don't even like Napoleon, but would still have to say he's the number 1 general.
I would put Caesar over Alexander though. I don't think Caesar would have given Alexander any weakness he could exploit.

>>512231801
vgh so aryan

>>512230798
>>512230633 (OP)
He was the original Short King. When ever a Short King acts up, the spirit of Napoleon flows through them, empowering them. That's why people call it a Napoleon Complex. It's basically Super Saiyan for dwarves.

>>512238065
Look, I'm french and the most enduring impact Napoléon had was destroying Spain, destroying Italy, empowering the US by giving them new land and giving anglojews free reign over Europe in the aftermath.
Honestly, cool guy, like Hitler, but fuck him. His autism did far more bad than good.

>>512238070
Look you dope- Caesar is the only one with so many successful campaigns, a successful mastery of politics, who ALSO never got btfo.

Had Napoleon not plundered and gotten completely btfo yes he would probably be the greatest but alas- his tale ended with getting obliterated and defeated entirely. Multiple times. This is a major consideration when we are closing the "greatest of all time." Its a perfectly legitimate basis to say Caesar is No.1 and Napoleon No.2 by a wide margin. Getting btfo that badly is a pretty big deal.

>>512230837
Berber

>>512232027
Me

>>512230798
He was actually an inch above average for his time. He just BTFO the elites harder than any had since Julius Caesar and they had to come up with whatever smears of him they could think of

>>512238297
Blundered*

>>512232027
Caesar and its not even close

>>512232080
>assimilate them into french culture
Fundamentally impossible, they take their culture underground and teach their offspring to cultivate secret hate. Jews are literally under divine commandment to kill us, they won't stop until we or they are dead to the very last.

>>512230633 (OP)
He was woody Harrelson?

>>512230633 (OP)
He had cheekbones

>>512238228
I know he is extremely divisive even in France, but he did get France out of its endless revolutionary war turmoils, he centralized the state and pretty much created the modern French state. Now was he an angel? Fuck no, he was a megalomaniac, but was he also the devil incarnate like the British picture him to be? No, he was commanded total respect of his troops, and he was widely loved by the public in France, even after he seized all power to himself. It's the same thing with Caesar, he pretty much made himself king of Rome, but other than the Senate hating him and being afraid of his powers, the plebeians loved him for making their lives better.

>>512238297
If Alexander lost in India so bad that he got chased back to Greece by an army of Elefants and then exiled to Rhodos, then history would have judged him differently... So it's Napoleon number three on the best list. And we only even debate this because the french are going HARD with the marketing for this guy

>>512230633 (OP)
I have always found it it curious that foreigners can take over countries and take them to greatness.
>Napoleon, a Corsican (Italian)
>Stalin, a Georgian
>Hitler, an Austrian

Who did I miss?

>>512230633 (OP)
Napoleon is far more deserving of respect and admiration than Hitler is. It's just that /pol/weenies are comprised of fat boomer dumbasses raised on the History channel, and like all fat dumb Americans their sense of history only extends to WWII and muh holocaust.

If you really dive into Jewish forums, where Jews talk openly to each other, they actually hate Napoleon more than Hitler. Because Napoleon's solution to the Jewish Question was to shut down the ghettos, disperse them and make them convert over time. Essentially scattering their race and political power into the winds. And they know that over time, that would've been the more effective route, because whether or not you believe Hitler killed 6 million or 200,000 or not a single fucking one, the truth is he basically let all the actually influential and powerful Jews go and then rounded up the dumbass bagel baker and fiddler on the roof. In terms of actual damage to Jewish power, Hitler didn't do a fucking thing but empower it. He even had a Rothchild and just let him go for ransom, which tells you what Hitler actually cared about.

What's more, Napoleon legitimately pulled himself up from his bootstraps. From impoverished nobility, not even a real French man, to corporal aiming cannon to military map maker to general given an army that didn't even have shoes going against the Austrian empire in Italy. He really did it all and fought the whole way. What the hell did Hitler do? He didn't even run a fucking hot dog stand. His own Mein Kampf says he was a loser floating around in Vienna. His paintings are amateur Hallmark shit. He massacred his supporters upon gaining power and put a fat heroin addict in charge of the Luftwaffe who was corrupt as shit. Napoleon had the greatest leaders of the age around him. His marshals were the equal of nearly any military commander in the world at that time.

The ENTIRE AGE is named after him. He inspired Beethoven, Tolstoy, etc. There's just no comparison.

>>512230798
Ancient people were around 5'6 on average. I doubt you're any more of a chad than any given Roman emperor.

>>512238297
if the standard is the number of successful campaigns, mastery of politics, and never being blown the fuck out (whatever that means), then alexander the great and genghis khan are just two who could be reasonably considered better than caesar

>>512232066
Not so fast Romaboos.
Today i shall remind them.

>>512238870
>better than caesar
damned brutus, if ceasar had gotten his parthian campaign (who wrote how he would have blown them the fuck apart), there would be no dissenters in this thread, undisputed champ.

>>512238751
Sure thing bud.
Ending European aristocracy really did a number on those kikes.
They even hate him more for it than the guy pupping them in literal camps!

>>512238870
Look Alexander never had a mastery of politics he was daddy's boy off on an escapade. I mean in fairness it was an escapade for the ages. Meanwhile Ceasar maneuvers his way to the top of one of the most nasty complicated political environments of all time AND was a great commander who had numerous successful campaigns, never lost one, AND his doings completely reshaped the landscape of the largest empire of the time for many centuries.

Chungus is a fair commander to place in the discussion but still I'm going with Caesar on this.

>>512238715
I dont think your analysis is bad but I have to give SOME consideration to the sheer scale and unlikely rise of Napleon over Alexander but yes yiu are technically not wrong. There is nuance to it for sure. It is POSSIBLE to be No. 2after getting btfo.. you just cant be No. 1, at least not when there is someone like Caesar out there.

>>512236050
Hannibal was one of the most brilliant tacticians of the ancient world, and Rome desperately avoided direct confrontation with him, but instead engaging in a war of attrition and confining him to southern Italy around Magna Graecia and attacking the port cities he had secured in order to cut off sea routes from Carthage.
Hannibal seemed to already recognize the grievances of Rome's Italian allies regarding their treatment as vassal states and the denial of Roman citizenship, which would later lead to the Social War, and was working to dismantle the alliance. This was the crux of the matter.
In this respect, although they were inferior in tactics, the Roman Republic was superior in terms of strategic thinking.
Well, the fact that Carthage itself viewed the Second Punic War, including the colonization of Spain, as a personal venture of the Barca family and was not particularly eager to get involved was also a major factor in his ultimate defeats though.
Caesar took a long time to achieve success, but even Pompey, who was praised as a conqueror of the East during that era, was completely outmatched in both tactics and strategy. At the Battle of Pharsalus he defeated Pompey, who had twice the number of troops, through tactics to neutralize enemy's far superior cavalry and the strength of his veteran troops.
Caesar was not only a highly capable a tactician and strategist but also a politician whose personality alone could charm and education even the weepy Cicero the mhu Republic, so he was in a league of his own.

>>512238751
The French Revolution also had its "holocaust" -- the massacres of royalists, nobles and clergy that occurred in 1790s.
However this was before Napoleon had political power so cannot be blamed on him.

>>512239170
Hush it bozo

>>512239170
Beaten by Scipio
Twice

>>512238729
They aren't known in the west but the Baramicids, a Buddhist family from Iran that made the Abassid empire what it was, they are directly responsible for the creation of the House of Wisdom in Baghdad. They may not have been conquerors, but they were great governors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barmakids

>>512230633 (OP)

>>512238870
A great accomplishment of Ghengis Khan that other great men cannot show is this: His sons contiuned his work and were some of the greatest generals themselves, almost outdoing him. That's a father's success and happieness.
Granted, Ceasar had an amazing adopted son who went on to make Rome golden.

>>512239485
Geshtu-E
A Sumerian lesser God aka Igigi. One third of the Igigi rebelled and went on strike, prompting the Annunaki (greater Gods) to tell them they had to create a slave race (man) to replace them.
So Geshtu-E dissolved himself in a river and his blood mixed with clay to make man.

Geshtu-E is the equivalent of Prometheus in the Greek Pantheon (hence the name of the movie and why you see him right at the beginning)

Geshtu-E is also equivalent to Azazel, the fallen angel and one third of the angels who rebelled. Who then created Nephilim.

This entire movie is about the occult.

>>512230633 (OP)
nothing but pure french genetics baby

>>512239782
Why do americans have to put the nigger fist everywhere

>>512239887
It's the commie fist.

>>512239782
>napoleon
>french
do burgers really?

>>512239782
is this bait? napoleon was corsican

>>512232171
Meh, He looks like Ric Ocasek.

>>512239887
napoleon was fair skinned. he just looks brown because his face was cast in brown bronze (copper and zinc alloy iirc)

>>512239439
>>512239445
Hehe thank you for proving my point.
The Rome defense force is in full swing in this thread.
Cope and seeth and dilate Romatroons.

>>512230633 (OP)
>Looks like a cancer patient
>Died from cancer
Wowzers

>>512239654
Yes, Genghis frankly should be considered right at the top, but isn't usually mostly for textual reasons, i.e., there were less people around to record his exploits.

Ultimately, Genghis was really only defeated by sheer distance. With a longer life and better succession rules, they very well might have conquered Europe.

>>512230633 (OP)
I knew he was brown. Fucking niggers

>>512231596
This is exactly what I thought when I saw it

>>512230633 (OP)
He looked like Mussolini, wasnt Napoleon essentially ethnically Italian?

>>512230763
Shut up Wang. Grow an adult sized penis before you endlessly spam this board with tranny tier chink OP’s all day long. Give us a break from dicklet noise.

It’s no mystery at all he has living descendants who look just like him….where the fuck is the big mystery ?

>>512236952
proof it wasnt altered? the person casting it didnt smooth out any wrinkles or pimples or scars? they didnt exaggerate bone structure? it's one artisan, not a modern medical examiner

>>512240157
He is not considered because he is not western desu. The same reason in the West few people know the korean Admiral Yi.

>>512240351
You are a fucking retard, along with everyone else in the thread look at his great great grandson or whatever

>>512240157
ghengis was pretty neat. people had bows for centuries, then he figured out horseback archery tactics and just dominated plebs. if only he could have been introduced to motorcycles, that would have been kino

>>512231429
>He was the second greatest military commander in history
He stole artillery from the old regime. That's about it. He was just the revolutionary warlord that had the most artillery at his command on the continent at the time.

>>512232066
>caesar better than napoleon
Napoleon conquered more, fought worse odds, and did so without the massive tech gap rome enjoyed.

Infact many leaders absolutely mog caesar into the dirt.

Alexander the great, Georgy Zhukov, Arthur Wellesley, Flavius Belasarius, Basil II, Toyatomi Hideyoshi, Subutai, Hannibal, Khalid ibn Waleed, Pyrhuss of Epirus, and more all mog him.

Everyone mentioned either fought drastically worse odds against an incredible situation, or gained far more than caesar.

Other than defeated retarded tribes with far superior technology, and didn't conquer much outside of france, pretty much everything else was already his country in civil war.

Honestly

>>512239445
True but doesn't change the fact that caesar is way overrated, many roman generals are better than him like Belasarius for example who did so much with so little.

>>512240157
>>512240439
He should be considered but frankly he came upon a hard rock the moment he started hitting stone fortifications rather than balkan login forts tbqh.

Jokes aside he is in the conversation though but still I think Caesar has the more impressive resume.

>>512231596
This

>>512240464
>proof: just trust me bro, it's accurate

>>512230798
>Manlets can't be Chad.
don't apply to military officers

>>512240466
He didn't figure anything out, horse archers were a thing for centuries, millenia even. His success was do to something else

>>512240466
Alot of it had to do with the incompetent nature of the people he was conquering.

Unlike the civilizations surrounding him Mongolian basically had no formal civilization or social structure. He didn't have to worry about a state budget to balance because there was none.

Gengis couldn't be defeated because there was no formal Mongolia to defeat.

>>512240547

You misjudge Caesar
Caesar was not a statesman, Caesar fought hand to hand, right on the fucking front lines

You do not really get it do you? Caesar killed more men in single honorable combat than many of his own guards.
He personally led so many rallies that turned the tide of battles right at the tip of the spear.

ALL OF THE FUCKING PUSSIES IN ROME DESERVED TO FIGHT TO THE DEATH IN THE ARENA FOR DARING TO NIGGER STAB A WARRIOR AS SUCH IN THE BACK LIKE KIKE COWARDS

They destroyed Rome...cowardly weak men of little ambition, who could never stare into the eyes of a man such as Caesar....

I will speak no more to wet behind the ears boys who have never seen combat such as you....

>>512240835
nah, he won with horseback archers. he constantly wiped out peasant villages since they didnt have weaponry to match

>>512235536
De Gaulle wasn't a great man lol and neither was orwell.

>>512240835
Yes, it was horse archers.
There were more horses in the Mongolian horde than there were people. The only people that had the right to vote other than the khan were the horses. It was an army of horses.

>>512240547
It is also quite difficult to fight against enemies with abilities almost equal to your own that has conquered the surrounding world in a civil war.
It's almost the same as amerisharts never shutting up about the civil war fought over the rights of niggers being the deadliest war in their history.

>>512240941
>Caesar fought hand to hand, right on the fucking front lines
kek no he didnt retard

>>512235137
>family tree
This is literally nothing. They could have tested his 10th cousin great great grandaughter. She has about as much as relation to Hilter as I do. Kike shit.
>>512240547
Pure nonsense. Caesar conquered Gaul with 4 legions, vassalized Egypt with 4,000 men and defeated Pompey, one of histories greatest generals, with vastly inferior resources. You can't be talking about tech gap and saying Alexander and Napoleon are better. Caesar actually fought against people with equal army in the civil war, Alexander and Napoleon stomped inferior nations.

>>512241077
Yes but they were both of great stature.

Reminder he was an actual autist too
Read any firsthand account describing his mannerisms

>>512234380
is this pasta? lol

>>512240627
I don't think the Mongols were really BTFO by muh stone forts. That's the way it's framed in the West because they consider it a near miss from the Apocalypse, but in reality it doesn't seem like they really tried that hard because frankly Europe really wasn't that rich in the 12th century. Ghenghis fought China for over 15 years, the last Mongol invasion of Hungary was over in 2 months. And even in the Western histories where they act like they BTFO the mongols, they admit it was mostly the lack of food and some pestilence that really hurt them.

If Europe was a nexus of trade at that point like Baghdad was, they would've gone harder.

>>512240547
>and did so without the massive tech gap rome enjoyed.
Napoleon had more of a tech gap then rome had.
See>>512240524

>>512235137
I Heil Nigger Hitler

>>512230763
>He conquered most of Europe and stood against evil British imperialism
The first thing he did upon taking 0ower was create the French National Bank. Modelled on the Bank of England. He was a puppet.

>>512241223
Cope retard

> Alexander and Napoleon stomped inferior nations.
Alexander conquered Persia when their population was 20 million vs. Greek's 1 mil

You are a fucking retarded subhuman and you clearly don't know shit. Don't ever post here again you inbred discount turk nigger.

>>512236230
frog brain

>>512241223
> vassalized Egypt with 4,000 men
Egypt had been long since vassalized, dont speak of what you dont know
>Alexander and Napoleon stomped inferior nations.
Napoleon was the one who GOT stomped, why do retards always forget this? Napoleon's leadership led Paris to multiple foreign occupations including by technologically inferior enemies like Russians

>>512241367
The Mongols only ever sent a search party into Europe to gather intelligence.

>>512241469
>0ower
Power

>>512240027
>house of savoy

>>512232886
Go and see how that chad ended up.

>>512236785
he didnt. he overly focused on the military instead of statecraft, didnt consolidate power when time was on his side and got in winter in russia when time was on the tsar side. he surrounded himself by yes men, was arrogant, delusional and probably somewhat close

rulers arnt that great they just went through crazy shit so yeah he was like alexandar but ui wouldnt say he was great. he the general ùmade more of the decision making he wouldnt have ruined everything. he could have burnet moscow some mroe and blame it on the tsar.

>>512230798
Manlets are peak physique for lifting you lanklet

>>512241367
Mongols needed grass plains to feed their ponies
This became a problem as they travelled further and further into Europe, which was still heavily forested then.

>>512241367
True. They had trebuchets mastered and did siege warfare well by throwing the rotting cows over the walls and the terror tatics, basicly pioneers in biological and pshicologival warfare of the time.
Based Mongols Kek.

>>512235256
George Washington was pretty tall for the time period. Peter the Great was 6’ 7”. Trajan was said to be taller than average

>>512240464
>great great grandson
not even your son look much like you, so great great grandson... they coudl ahve mix with anything to hell and back, utterly meaningless. the likelyhood that he shares napoleons qualities or face is nil.

>>512231419
Keep drinking your overlords cum good goy.

>>512230633 (OP)
Napoleon was Handsome Squidward.

>>512230798
Napoleon proves the inverse which is that heightism is gay and feminine and focused on peacocking for whores and that being a chad means elan and conquering the world with your bros.

>>512240547
>Georgy Zhukov, Arthur Wellesley, Flavius Belasarius, Basil II, Toyatomi Hideyoshi, Subutai, Hannibal, Khalid ibn Waleed, Pyrhuss of Epirus,

You'd honestly have to be fuller than a hot air balloon on contrarian crack-smoke to even remotely put *most* of these people in the same category of Caesar tbqh. It's fascinating actually.

The scope of his impact, his singular mastery of politics AND warfare simultaneously has honestly never been seen before in a single man. You analyze this shit by looking at midwit stuff like the odds etc when the reality is that Caesar dominated a nasty political landscape of a complexity comparable ot modern politics perhaps even worse, and simultaneously went from military campaign to campiagn always winning against the greatest foes of his time and completely redefined the greatest empire mankind has ever known. His achievements and the seeming ease of them are without comparison and it is appalling that you would even dare to mention some of these people in your list as being greater.

>>512233189
Silence, mutt.

>>512241491
>relatives of Adolf Hitler
Hitler has no surviving relatives. Not any close ones. The very fact that they say 'relatives' means its junk propaganda. Might as well test me as a Hitler relative. I'm sure we have the same ancestor somewhere far back.
>Alexander conquered Persia when their population was 20 million vs. Greek's 1 mil
Greek had vastly superior armies to Persia throughout history and even divided won most of the time and in Philip's time the comparison was laughable. In fact, Philip himself planned on a Persian campaign before his death.
>>512241504
>Egypt had been long since vassalized, dont speak of what you dont know
Egypt wasn't vassalized until Caesar put Cleopatra on the throne. That is when Egypt basically became beholden to Rome. Before that Rome ordered them just like they'd order any other nation, but there was never any special relationship.
>Napoleon's leadership led Paris to multiple foreign occupations including by technologically inferior enemies like Russians
Retard, the Russians were by far the most capable nation of the Coalitions and Napoleon very rarely if ever won decisive victories against them.

>>512241801
>You're tall.
>Tell us what to do.
People look to tall lanklets as leaders for some fucking stupid reason. Happens all the time.

>>512241491
you can also compare franc epopulatio nto the population of the rest of europe.

>>512241077
>>512235536
I would respect De Israel if he had liberated queerbeck and retained french control over northern algeria, or at least had not created the groundwork for 8 million berbers to be allowed into france under psychotic greater france delusions of grandeur and assimilating shitskins into the french nation when he already had a perfectly functional country.

>>512241955
>Hitler has no surviving relatives. Not any close ones.
Is he the biggest loser in all of history?

>>512241852
beign a chad is a retarded meme and conquering stuff is never done alone

>>512241758
When you lay seize and 30% of your forces does every time because youre sleeping next to pack animals and haven't mastered hygiene in a static location it is fair to say you struggled with fortifications. It was a weakness. Perhaps some may say that it is "overblown" but let's not be contrarian and go too far in the opposite direction.

>>512242072
Great men throghout history usually don't have any close relatives. Augustus, Caesar, Alexander, Napoleon, etc. Some might count Napoleon's distant cousins as such but nope.

>>512239445
Scipio cheated
Just copied Hannibal

I think Hitler's relatives all changed their names.

>>512241743
There are no grass plains in fucking Iraq. They would've dealt with it. It just wasn't worth it bro.

Europe in the 12th century outside the royalty and clergy was a fucking pigsty.

>>512240547
It was not a tech gap. It was a logistics and tactical gap.
The roman system of rotating lines every 5-10 minutes, the throwing of javelins/PILUM to deshield the front lines, The seige of alesia is absolutely nuts. To keep the morale up on a double pallisade siege, counter siege is just how?

>>512242184
Napoleon basically made a past-time of putting his family on thrones.

>>512242421
Yes, but he himself has no progenies outside of his only son who died very young. So his direct line doesn't exist.

>>512242005
Or maybe nobody gives a shit if a leader is tall or short as long as he’s good. It’s only ever butthurt short guys who seethe over tall leaders, you never see a tall guy seethe over a short guy as his leader.

>>512242135
But they didnt strugle with fortifications that is the meme because its not true. Not anymore than anyone else for the time. Of course forts were stronger at the time than they are today. You cant compare it like that. Sieges used to take years in medieval times sometimes. We defeated the Turks at Diu with 300 men while they had 20 thousand. Forts were super OP in the past you gotta look at the whole context.

>>512230633 (OP)
John Ringling purchased a painting of his sister nude, I paid to tour his estate and it was hanging in one of the rooms, I saw napoleons sisters tits

>>512242496
Not true. And there are rumors of others, but this one is confirmed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Colonna-Walewski

>>512242131
i think a general consensus is that napoleon didnt trust his underlings to carry out his tasks perfectly. im pretty sure he was peak-perfectionist, to the point he didnt delineate responsibilities to his high ranking officers. he did it himself

>>512242326
Back to Schicklgruber?

>>512239445

scipio wasn't even the best general on his side during the second punic war; marcellus and nero were far better

marcellus was essentially the "supreme commander" of roman forces, tasked with the siege of syracuse and almost every other most important operation during the war
scipio literally almost single-handedly lost the war for the romans by letting hasdrubal (hannibal's brother) outmaneuver him in spain and march on northern italy. if not for a bunch of luck and nero correcting scipio's fuckup by intercepting and defeating hasdrubal at the metaurus, hannibal's army would've essentially been replenished entirely, a big deal since hannibal otherwise had no way of reinforcing his army after being in the italian peninsula for over a decade (other than just raising fresh levies on the spot)

>>512230633 (OP)
>He and his brothers doubled to mask his movements on campaign
>2 USN officers offered to take the Emperor to America
>His brother offered to take his place in confinement...

August von Mackensen sort of switcheroo.

>>512242520
Nope. I've seen too many people put into management or leadership positions that didn't belong there, but they were tall.

>>512242396
The only person to ever really beat Caesar (in a single battle at least) definitively was Pompey. Pompey saw the only way to beat Caesar was to just out-wall him. A literal wall building competition. You leave Caesar alone for five minutes he's building fortifications and river crossings and seige ramps etc. Pompey out-walled him and gave him a loss. In fact if you look at that entire ordeal even when he fled and left Italy, Pompey was pretty competent.

Interestingly flash forward to Phillipi- with Caesar and Pompey gone everyone is just acting like bubbling clowns. Antony (despite being a jackass) was the ONLY one who showed some initiative and started building fortifications through the swamp. Some of Caesar rubbed off on him I guess.

>>512242374
mongols killed all the muslims in baghdad. left most of the christians(the leader was nestorian)
the crusader states failed to capitalize on this and stayed neutral as that mongol horde went for egypt and then lost a battle in gaza. Muslims could have been basically eliminated but outremer only thought short term and had a 1000 cringe squabbles.

>>512242645
he sidelined any hwo disagreed and has surrounded by yes men just like hitler and it caused his demise just like hitler

high iq delusional narcissistics ruin everything. when they get reality checked you get reality checked with them. napoleon sohuld have been stopped

>>512242645
In sun tzu there is something about only informing the people below you on what they need to know and no more, the generals know what they need to know, they inform the people below them with even less and so on, the same book says the strongest weapon or biggest threat are spies so this restriction of knowledge is probably because of that particular triage of threat

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong or plug it into ai, I read it nearly 20 years ago so it’s very much a vague recollection

>>512242550
Look its a fact that when they settled down in lengthy seiges they were ravaged by pestilence. They were basically sleeping with horses and herd animals its not surprising. They were so used to be nomadic that they could never effectively handle hygiene at scale and their only really effective seiges were when they hauled in the chinee seige masters.

And yes it would have become an increasingly bigger problem as they moved west. Western europe at the time we're probably the apex of seige warfare at the time it was their specialty.

>>512242756
Every boss I’ve ever had I’ve towered over, but I work in the trades. If you’re in a job where HR Stacies and homosexuals decide who promotes then it’s probably all tall chads in management.

>>512242374
>Europe in the 12th century outside the royalty and clergy was a fucking pigsty.

Yes, it's not popular to say here on /pol/ but Europe really was a filthy ghetto in many places after Rome fell. I went on an archaeology tour and it's just so apparent when at a certain point in the soil, you completely lose mass produced products, sculptures, elaborate furniture, brick houses, basically all the infrastructure of complex society.

Even their art goes to 2d lmao cartoons. It's quite a whiplash because the frescos of Pompeii look far more like Renaissance art than anything in the 1000 years between. But that's why it's called the Renaissance.

>>512243063
I'm just imagining the caesar milan looking mf who ran this concrete company and had those weird mixed race spics that were over 6 foot, like one brother was the typical 300 pound spic and the other was a cut 200 pound black man.

>>512240547

lmao shut the fuck up stupid faggot
caesar literally won a battle while surrounded and outnumbered by 200,000
and won a battle despite being outnumbered in both infantry and cav

Friendly, threadly reminder that Corsica was ANGLO in Napoleon's lifetime.

Napoleon was an honorary ANGLO.

>>512243203
the real redpill is the med trade collapsed as half of it became under muslim rule and muslim pirates. less trade less gdp. christians didn't reestablish med trade until the crusades and then the black death destroyed it again, and then ottoman dominace destroyed it AGAIN

>>512243435
english people are french normals and french people are german people who are indian mixed with neanderthals who are jews. we re all jewish cavemen from africa. except me i come from saturn

>>512243586
>low gdp
SOVL

>>512243021
I understand your point. Europe today is still full of castles. Its the law of the land i guess maybe one of the reasons why it was so hard to unify Europe in the past by great conqueror idk. But still you cant fault the Mongols like that. The cities they conquered speak for themselves. Bagdad, Beijing and Samarkland. The three great powers of the time, Muslims, Chinese and the Persians. There is a reason for the Iranian joke of the four golden thrones.

>>512243706
grain from north africa/egypt in the offseason meant a lot.
Persians caused the worst timeline.

>>512243063
Even in an unorganized group, people will naturally start looking to the tallest male for guidance. It's bizarre.

>>512243435
That crest looks like Pepe.

>>512244301
There are many ingrained subconscious tendencies that were forged over many thousands of years when we were in the wilderness. Our fear of snakes. Our love of fire. I imagine larger stature would have been far more important during those ages also.