islam is 100x worse than judaism - /pol/ (#512239163) [Archived: 45 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: Z6qQP8+CUnited States
8/5/2025, 12:04:40 AM No.512239163
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the worst parts of the talmud are nothing compared to verses in the koran. you only have conspiracy theories for jews while england and france are almost unrecognizable with the invasion of muslims. you can't tell me that you would be more frightened of a yamaka on a plane than a turban.
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Anonymous ID: 08I/pbV1Norway
8/5/2025, 12:07:06 AM No.512239329
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>>512239163 (OP)
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Anonymous ID: p7k1dKF5United States
8/5/2025, 12:10:32 AM No.512239561
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Palishits aren't being taken in as refugees by any Muslim country. This is because Muslims are freaks who manipulate white westerners feels
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Anonymous ID: 1U0PdimRUnited States
8/5/2025, 12:10:38 AM No.512239573
Yes imagine if our politicians were photographed daily wearing turbans praying at some weird black cube wall.
Anonymous ID: MQ9g2BdCSweden
8/5/2025, 12:18:26 AM No.512240149
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>>512239163 (OP)
Judaism is the only reason why there are muslims in white countries in the first place.
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Anonymous ID: ntSNtQhLUnited States
8/5/2025, 12:30:23 AM No.512241022
>>512239163 (OP)
Why isnt CARE 100x more influential than AIPAC?
Anonymous ID: twdWOv1UUnited States
8/5/2025, 12:31:31 AM No.512241107
I'm pretty sure the Koran is much less batshit crazy than what is in the Talmud
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Anonymous ID: P9gvvPAGChile
8/5/2025, 12:35:17 AM No.512241382
>invasion of muslims
That's your fault, you fucking kike. You wanted it
Anonymous ID: Z6qQP8+CUnited States
8/5/2025, 12:35:59 AM No.512241429
>>512240149
got any proof of that besides a couple headlines of unrelated independent aid organizations that just happen to be jewish?
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Anonymous ID: KiB/xTi/
8/5/2025, 12:36:47 AM No.512241495
>>512239329
These posts make me realize that most of the nord euros here are mudshit migrants.
French are magrebi, germans are turks, and so on.
No idea which type of mudshit is prevalend in Danemark tho.
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Anonymous ID: xJbbGXpdUnited States
8/5/2025, 12:38:00 AM No.512241581
>>512239163 (OP)
Both need to be obliterated (along with all jew worshipping Christians). Why is Le one or le other with you faggots?
Anonymous ID: xF7XWhnWNetherlands
8/5/2025, 12:39:42 AM No.512241688
>>512239163 (OP)
Okay Rabbi how many US presidents visited Mecca and touched the stone there?
Anonymous ID: fId9dxn5United States
8/5/2025, 12:40:36 AM No.512241752
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>>512241495
True, most of the angry replies on anti-Islam threads are from Euro flags.

I wonder how these Ahmeds even know English anyway.
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Anonymous ID: L1iZqhzmUnited States
8/5/2025, 12:41:37 AM No.512241813
>>512239163 (OP)
100% based Muslims are the only people that accept pedophilia.
Anonymous ID: q8djDVCS
8/5/2025, 12:45:29 AM No.512242117
>>512241107
>>512239163 (OP)
why do goyim only talk about the talmud, as if it was the most important text? torah > talmud > shulchan aruch
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Anonymous ID: MQ9g2BdCSweden
8/5/2025, 12:53:07 AM No.512242667
>>512242117
Jews prioritize talmud over torah. For example, in the torah, judaism is patrineal. In the talmud it is matrineal.
Anonymous ID: rbhN36Nd
8/5/2025, 12:54:00 AM No.512242738
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>>512239163 (OP)
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Anonymous ID: q8djDVCS
8/5/2025, 12:58:12 AM No.512243034
>>512242738
you got to respect judaic autism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OYxADDluNI
Anonymous ID: IwvYcf0KUnited States
8/5/2025, 12:58:30 AM No.512243050
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O rly
Anonymous ID: TJjc7j9tUnited States
8/5/2025, 12:59:15 AM No.512243109
>>512239163 (OP)
You both fucking suck. Kill each other already. Thank you.
Anonymous ID: CEUluk+YUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:01:55 AM No.512243279
>>512242117
Christians are incapable of critiquing the Torah, even though it venerates jewish usurers, spies, and human traffickers.
The scriptures used to be secret, and would be spread orally because rabbis would change it and everyone else would just forget about it. But once it was widely available with the septuagint, they had to write down the oral part of the strictly oral part of the law before they forgot it. Which became the Talmud. The Talmud is more "evil" because it's explicitly the parts of the scriptures that they wouldn't write down because they don't want people like the Roman's or whatever to see it.
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Anonymous ID: KiB/xTi/
8/5/2025, 1:03:01 AM No.512243370
>>512241752
Second gens working hard 24/7 to make their new countries the same shithole they ran from.
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Anonymous ID: fId9dxn5United States
8/5/2025, 1:07:49 AM No.512243731
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>>512243370
nah they are just self-hating browns who really want to be white and fit in with nu-/pol/ but the one thing that gives them away is that they refuse to denounce the Quran and Moo-hammad under any circumstance
Anonymous ID: /534ngZuCanada
8/5/2025, 1:09:45 AM No.512243865
Anon, Islam is literally judaism, but curated and edited using talmudic school teachings as to neuter any potential spiritual growth or genuine spiritual enlightenment among the goys. Its literally a slave religion meant to make corralling entire cultures and societies into easily manipulable archetypes, and the worst is there literally cannot be a theological solution to the issue because one of the core tenet of Islam is the demonization of apostasy, to the point its considered a worse crime than rape and murder. I mean for fuck sake, ita considered a worse crime in Islam to reinterpret the Quran than it is to convert to another religion, which barely make sense unless the purpose was to keep the system as rigid as possible no matter what.

Of course, like every single fucking golem kikes ever made, they rebelled and started doing their own thing, but the underlying talmudic framework is still present.
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Anonymous ID: /534ngZuCanada
8/5/2025, 1:13:12 AM No.512244114
>>512243279
This post is kike disinfo, because the talmud is a collection of annotation by rabbis of statements done by the previous rabbis. It basically allowed kikes to circumvent the moral laws of the Torah with semantics and disingenuous argumentations until the original framework was utterly neutered and stripped of its original intent.
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Anonymous ID: oGIGSqSZUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:15:43 AM No.512244294
>>512239163 (OP)
Both are shit, jews are our main concern since they are causing a majority of our financial, and immigration problems.
Anonymous ID: jmF/ZWVEUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:16:56 AM No.512244378
>>512244114
This Jews can't help but be subversive.

It's not drinking coffee if you shove it up your ass. Jewish loopholes.
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Anonymous ID: yYkS//jWCanada
8/5/2025, 1:17:43 AM No.512244427
>>512239163 (OP)
Total Abrahamic Death. It's fucking time.
Anonymous ID: 022/PBUMUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:18:28 AM No.512244475
Abrahamics all believe incredibly stupid bullshit to the detriment of everyone around them, they should all be ignored and their believers endlessly mocked.
Anonymous ID: n1WrD2iGUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:19:52 AM No.512244566
>>512239163 (OP)
shut up kike
Anonymous ID: a23jSIHYUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:20:47 AM No.512244646
>>512239163 (OP)
they both suck
nuke jerusalem and mecca
Anonymous ID: BMbKZyarUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:26:34 AM No.512245055
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>>512239163 (OP)
Judaism and the Jewish Talmud is Canaanite and Babylonian child burning religious doctrine. Itโ€™s exactly the opposite of the Torah (the Christian Old Testament).

4000 years ago, God commanded the Israelites to genocide the Canaanites because of their Moloch worshipping child sacrifice religion. He didnโ€™t want it infecting the Israelites. They didnโ€™t do that and now we have Judaism and child raping Moloch worshippers.

The Canaanites practiced child sacrifice to Moloch/Baal by burning their own sons and daughters alive.

Imagine what must be missing from your human instinct to actually burn your own child to death. What would it take for you to burn your own child alive?

Is there anything human in people who would do such evil? This must be one of the reasons that God commanded that the Canaanites be genocided? Which the Hebrews failed to do.

>Writing in the 4th century B.C.E, the Greek historian Cleitarchus said of the Carthaginian practice, โ€œThere stands in their midst a bronze statue of Kronos, its hands extended over a bronze brazier, the flames of which engulf the child. When the flames fall upon the body, the limbs contract and the open mouth seems almost to be laughing until the contracted body slips quietly into the brazier. Thus it is that the โ€˜grinโ€™ is known as โ€˜sardonic laughter,โ€™ since they die laughing.โ€ (trans. Paul G. Mosca) โ€œKronosโ€ was a regional name for Baal Hammon, the chief of Carthageโ€™s gods.


https://biblereadingarcheology.com/2016/05/13/did-the-canaanites-sacrifice-their-children/

If you would burn your own child alive, is there anything you would not do? Would you even think twice about using other people's children for sexual blackmail?
Anonymous ID: BMbKZyarUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:27:11 AM No.512245107
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>>512239163 (OP)
Anonymous ID: BMbKZyarUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:27:50 AM No.512245162
Kalergi-criminals
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>>512240149
Anonymous ID: HF/As1Tv
8/5/2025, 1:28:23 AM No.512245193
>>512243865
Youre so fuckin cringe sar
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Anonymous ID: /534ngZuCanada
8/5/2025, 1:29:42 AM No.512245286
>>512244378
Cant work on the sabbath?
Just redefine what a "home" is until you consider "home" an area defined by a blessed strand of rope of undeterminate lenght, covering a many square miles territory.
A prophecy require that a red claf is born on Israel soil?
Just implement a highland cow egg in vitro inside an Israeli owned cow so the calf come out orange which is technically the color red.
Stealing from your fellow kin isnt allowed?
Redefine what kin is and isnt until you consider only directly blood related kin as part of the tribe, and everyone else count as animals therefor allowing gratuitous stealing since you can't steal from an animal with no right nor material possessions.

On and on and on and on... God I hate judaism like you wouldnt believe
Anonymous ID: jmF/ZWVEUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:30:52 AM No.512245372
>>512245193
They only thing that makes sense to us kikes play stupid word games so we just made up are own language.
Anonymous ID: KiB/xTi/
8/5/2025, 1:34:04 AM No.512245633
>>512245193
When the Byzantine Romans heard the first reports about muslims they thought that they were jews angrier and more difficult than the usual, FYI
Which is more or less what the other anon said.
Anonymous ID: r7TGYVKjCanada
8/5/2025, 1:41:42 AM No.512246161
>>512239163 (OP)
>>512241495
Why didn't you think of that when you were subverting the west to accept browns?
Anonymous ID: fZv+y1JaFrance
8/5/2025, 1:43:16 AM No.512246282
>>512239329
fpbp

jews a genociding us and are responsible for most current ills of western society

jews are identical to arabs and the talmud is identical to hadiths. if anything they re worse. spainish people have been ruled by arabs and they still exist. jewish rule makes you disappear in a few generations. none of you should rule white countries anyway

>(((conspiracy))) (((theories)))
STFU
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Anonymous ID: fZv+y1JaFrance
8/5/2025, 1:43:48 AM No.512246309
>>512241429
>got proof?
you speak like a guilty man
Anonymous ID: zUbPnAMfGermany
8/5/2025, 1:44:58 AM No.512246385
>>512239163 (OP)
The only thing that frightens me are amerilards with zero self-awareness like you. America has been the main driving force of Muslim migration to Europe. If America had completely isolated itself after the fall of the soviet union the world would be an objectively better place today. Europe would have way fewer muslims, millions of people would still be alive, Israel would have learned to get along with its neighbors, the Ukraine war wouldn't have happened, it's genuinely unreal how much damage the US has done to the world over the last 30 years
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Anonymous ID: UziEJ0vPUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:45:31 AM No.512246417
>>512239163 (OP)
God I wish you kikes would fuck of already with this false pretense that we have to pick between you and Muslims. You are both inbred blood cultists who have ruined the west. You also both rape kids.
Anonymous ID: fZv+y1JaFrance
8/5/2025, 1:46:40 AM No.512246496
>>512246385
(((america)))
Anonymous ID: xR50Dqtx
8/5/2025, 1:48:04 AM No.512246607
>>512239163 (OP)
True. But all 3 of (You) are circumcized.
I don't have to pick sides where both teams want me dead.
Anonymous ID: CEkM2KEERussian Federation
8/5/2025, 1:49:37 AM No.512246707
> prequel is so much better than the sequels
i don't care, they're both noncannon
Anonymous ID: 0xxaXo+HUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:51:10 AM No.512246807
The Talmud is objectively worse. Muslims - like Christians - want non-believers to embrace their teachings, while jews want all gentiles enslaved, and say that even "the best" of us should all be killed.

The Talmud also teaches that girls become sexually mature at three, and have all kinds of workarounds for how they can marry them even younger. There's a great one where it cites some other doctrine about 30 days being equal to a year, thus girls two years and one month old are marriage-ready. Rabbis can also go younger, as can the average heeb, so long as he pays her father.
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Anonymous ID: XAPjFVy0United States
8/5/2025, 1:52:48 AM No.512246910
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Every muslim in the west is there because jews let them in and purposefully opened the borders.

Never listen to anyone who says Islam is worse, because without jews there would be zero brown people in the West.
Anonymous ID: oEHv0L3QArgentina
8/5/2025, 1:53:22 AM No.512246956
>>512239163 (OP)
>he worst parts of the talmud are nothing compared to verses in the koran.

A conspiracy theory executed by people with an average IQ of 130 is much more dangerous than one done ones with 80.
Anonymous ID: y3rdGnb0Sweden
8/5/2025, 1:53:43 AM No.512246985
>>512241429
>a couple
There were a lot more than "a couple" of organizations, more like hundreds.
> just happen to be jewish
ye 'ol coincidence strikes again!
Anonymous ID: y3rdGnb0Sweden
8/5/2025, 1:54:29 AM No.512247044
>>512241752
Gaza has a higher literacy rate than Israel, seethe about it
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Anonymous ID: XAPjFVy0United States
8/5/2025, 1:55:03 AM No.512247079
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>>512246807
The talmud is objectively the most pedophilic religious text on earth
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Anonymous ID: nydOgffHUnited States
8/5/2025, 1:56:01 AM No.512247153
>>512239163 (OP)
Kill them all and let the hypothetical god sort them out.
Anonymous ID: SODFHml2
8/5/2025, 1:56:19 AM No.512247172
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>>512239163 (OP)
The Quran literally plagiarized from the Talmud
Anonymous ID: uXEvchQwUnited Kingdom
8/5/2025, 1:57:03 AM No.512247211
How the Muslims went from bombing the fuck out of the west and generally being a scourge to being supported in the last 20 years is kinda impressive. The Jews haven't had one good bit of publicity for over 2000 years and have finally turned their last defenders, the far left, into some of their biggest critics. I guess that Jewish money and mossad blackmail stuff is better than being seen as nice people to them.
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Anonymous ID: y3rdGnb0Sweden
8/5/2025, 1:57:14 AM No.512247227
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>>512247079
If kikes truly cared about kids being raped they'd talk more shit about Hindus and other Jews long before Muslims
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Anonymous ID: fId9dxn5United States
8/5/2025, 1:58:13 AM No.512247278
>>512247044
Nobody posting on this basketweaving forum is from Gaza, retard.
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Anonymous ID: KiB/xTi/
8/5/2025, 1:58:38 AM No.512247313
>>512247211
>o being supported in the last 20 years
Do you think this guy >>512246282
Eats pig?

/pol/ is infested by mudshits, the Frenchmen are from Magreb etc
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Anonymous ID: SODFHml2
8/5/2025, 1:59:04 AM No.512247349
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Anonymous ID: KiB/xTi/
8/5/2025, 1:59:23 AM No.512247368
>>512247044
>Gaza has a higher literacy rate than Israel
lmao sure
>Sweden flag
This guy is Somalian as an example
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Anonymous ID: x5jDrZEnPakistan
8/5/2025, 1:59:41 AM No.512247381
>>512244114
So what they trying to trick god or something?
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Anonymous ID: SODFHml2
8/5/2025, 2:00:20 AM No.512247432
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Sage ID: jGQYb4ACUnited States
8/5/2025, 2:00:58 AM No.512247483
>>512239163 (OP)
at least muslims will unalive faggots
Anonymous ID: fZv+y1JaFrance
8/5/2025, 2:01:08 AM No.512247497
>>512247313
do you think an arab would say that jews ar ethe dsame as arab you gigantic flaming kike?
Anonymous ID: y3rdGnb0Sweden
8/5/2025, 2:01:39 AM No.512247539
>>512247278
>no refutation
>>512247368
>ad hominem
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/literacy-rate-by-country
>>512239561
Can someone explain to me how Hamas are supposedly controlling the video uploads of a population of 1.5 million with mobile phones?
Anonymous ID: y3rdGnb0Sweden
8/5/2025, 2:03:14 AM No.512247632
>>512247381
They believe that the better they trick god, the more religious and better believers they are - because they would have to know the intricacies of the scriptures to work around them.
So yes.
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Anonymous ID: tw+BrQEXNew Zealand
8/5/2025, 2:04:44 AM No.512247751
ritual murder
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>>512239163 (OP)
blood drinkers are of their father the devil.
Anonymous ID: 0g8JXcNkUnited States
8/5/2025, 2:07:19 AM No.512247922
>>512239163 (OP)
Man, jews are really ramping up their slide threads today. Wonder what they're trying to hide
Anonymous ID: x0Escmq1United Kingdom
8/5/2025, 2:09:06 AM No.512248034
>>512239163 (OP)
The common cold is 100x worse than aids.
Anonymous ID: XAPjFVy0United States
8/5/2025, 2:12:38 AM No.512248271
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>>512247227
>If kikes truly cared about kids being raped

I don't think anyone has ever accused jews of caring when children are raped. That's why Israel has a policy of never deporting child molesters who are wanted in other countries.
Anonymous ID: zt6BldovSweden
8/5/2025, 2:13:41 AM No.512248336
>>512239163 (OP)
True those who say muslims aren't the problem are retarded.
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Anonymous ID: XAPjFVy0United States
8/5/2025, 2:17:15 AM No.512248564
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>>512248336
And yet every muslim that has arrived in Europe since 1945 is there because of jews.
Anonymous ID: x5jDrZEnPakistan
8/5/2025, 2:18:10 AM No.512248612
>>512247632
Hmm so like jeets trying to scam god. That's hilarious
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Anonymous ID: ky2DzsgdFrance
8/5/2025, 2:18:20 AM No.512248628
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>>512239163 (OP)
the belief held as most sacred by jews is that they must destroy the whole Creation
hard to do worse, really
I for one hate the tikkun olam
Anonymous ID: XAPjFVy0United States
8/5/2025, 2:21:00 AM No.512248804
Rabbis outsmart God in the Talmud
Rabbis outsmart God in the Talmud
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>>512248612
The Talmud has jews tricking/outsmarting god multiple times. The entire jewish ritual of kapparot is about tricking god into thinking a chicken committed a jews' sins.
Anonymous ID: VtBgR8g4United States
8/5/2025, 2:21:07 AM No.512248817
>>512239163 (OP)
Fuck'em both. Don't care which is worse and want both out of my business.
>>512239561
Palestinians are basically the kikes of the Arab-Muslim world. Other Arabs kick them out.
Anonymous ID: y3rdGnb0Sweden
8/5/2025, 2:29:34 AM No.512249327
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>>512248336
>Reminder that Sweden has on of the highest % of Jews in Europe
breva snabel
Anonymous ID: UkkSo/fWSpain
8/5/2025, 2:31:40 AM No.512249444
>>512239163 (OP)
>the worst parts of the talmud are nothing compared to verses in the koran.
Not even close, Islam is just generic slave mentality with a warrior and cleric cast, meanwhile Judaism is a supremacist vision where everyone in the entire planet must be their slaves, without even the possibility to join them.
Anonymous ID: /534ngZuCanada
8/5/2025, 2:40:04 AM No.512249987
>>512247381
It is, they believe they can dodge karmic accountability for failing to follow the orders given to their ancestors (mindbyou, the same ancestors they cite ancestry from for legitimacy) by feigning ignorance that the reinterpretation doesnt conteadict the original teachings. Its like their entire religion was built on bad faith where they always tried to circumvent god given laws, keep getting punished for it, but double down anyway. Its surreal looking at it from an external point of view. They basically want to gorge on cake (god blessings) without ever assuming the consequences for failing to abide to them.
Anonymous ID: L1qFnO1AUnited States
8/5/2025, 3:00:34 AM No.512251362
>>512239163 (OP)
>islam is 100x worse than judaism
The same 2 abrahamic cults.
Both controlled by the Vatican jesuits , creators of Divide & Conquer concept.