I didn't have time to ask what he meant by this, but, he said that people in the 90s and 2000s thought video games were going to change the world. They had hearings in congress based on the fear that video games would turn kids into killers.

I don't know how to describe it, but as an '04 zoomer, video games have always been for kids and young adults. It's never been a serious artform. Maybe when I was little.

Was he just bullshitting or did people think video games would play a bigger role in society? Why didn't they take the next step?

>>512355329 (OP)
The Gov introduced the rating system to calm people down. In many states game stores won’t sell a kid a M rated game, just like a store wont sell a R rated movie to a kid. Most of the ‘video games make kids violent’ was from one Florida lawyer who was so insane he was eventually disbarred.

Video games did change the world, video games are now the most popular form of entertainment, and video games have become more and more accepted by wider society as video game players grow up whereas in the 90s and even into the 2000s they were only seen as bling bling wahoo stuff for kids by most Americans

>>512355329 (OP)
Millenialfag here. In that era vidya was BIG. It was COOL. It held a lot of mystique that has since been dispersed. About the only concrete things to come out of games were a) the Department of Defense developing games to train personnel (infantry, armor, first responder/field agents) and b) its usefulness as an audiovisual medium in spreading propaganda. Gamergate *could be a technical third thing, but it's a one-off cultural event rather than a catalystic beginning step towards any permanent (positive) change. There really isn't the groundswell of cultural revolution coming from pressing buttons that people once thought. The smart phone changed things more permanently and quickly than a copy of Battlefront 2 or Ridge Racer ever did.

>>512355329 (OP)
He wasn't bullshitting. It's hard for you to understand due to your age and upbringing, but video games were advancing as such a fate rate that we were fully expecting Star Trek TNG-grade holodecks already by now.
Did you ever notice in your checking that video games radically evolved from the years 1971-1981 and and even bigger jump happened between 1981-1991, and again in 1998, and then one final time in the late 2000s. Since thing it's all pretty samey. All games look and play alike, unless it's apples to oranges, e.i, unless you compare racing games to raping games.

tl;dr we had every reason to believe that video games were going to radically change the world and they did, just not like we thought.

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Man, that's a lot of typos. Sorry!
>>512355729
>blackpill
Nice.

>>512355915
>>blackpill
I'm not saying it's all awful. Hell, I still waste my time on 'em. They're still fun. It's just the truth of the matter. All creative endeavors have their independently created masterworks, and their lowly state-funded lies in [X] form. The 1990s (in America, at least) was so filled with an enthusiastic embrace of the "end of history" and upcoming technologies. Few at the time had either the knowledge or cynicism necessary to break through that fogbank, and if you're a regular-assed kid in the Midwest growing up on Nintendo/Playstation platformers? Everything was rosegold ambrosia, no exceptions.

>>512355794
Damn that couch hits hard. Reminds me of my ggpas house. Poor old fool killed his cousins in Germany so his sons could eat and drink themselves to death literally and his granddaughters could pump out nigger babies. Rip

>>512356412
It was a great couch. Slept on one for a while too. Not that comfy to be honest, but still a good couch to sit on.

>>512355329 (OP)
>Was he just bullshitting or did people think video games would play a bigger role in society?

but it did change the world.. you just grew up while alot of the 'change' was happening and therefore didn't perceive any of it and accepted it all as normal.
its the most valuable and commodified form of entertainment in all of human history. people spend (and brag) about the 10s of thousands of hours they spend playing them.

ofc it changed the world.

>>512355329 (OP)
>>512355794
Video games didn't change much from the earliest types in the 80's until the end of the 90's, then suddenly things started increasing in quality at an exponential rate.

You went from shit like space invaders to Diablo in the span of a decade, and then another decade you have full 3D graphics with Half Life.

After that, diminishing returns set in. They used to brag about how many polygons their engines could render, but that become pointless after around 2010.

Now, as anon says, most games are pretty much in the same league graphically (disregarding artistic choice of course), although I would argue that there is objectively a difference between the mechanics from one game to the next, excluding triple A garbage.

Just look at the progression for GTA, the difference between 1 and 2 is minimal, 2 and 3 is massive, 3 and 4 (skipping SA and VC) is equally large, then diminishing return kicks in.

Secondly, video games used to be well thought out, and needed to be shipped in a playable state, as patches and online updates weren't yet common back in the early 2000's (probably first became mainstream with Steam), so the quality had a higher bar, and everyone making video games and playing video games had a higher intelligence than today, as nerds were the target audience for a long time, until publishers realized that if you dumb everything down and make it digestible to the lowest common denominator between a retarded soccer mom on her phone and some mouth breathing 80 IQ troglodyte who thinks capeshit is peak culture, you can sell 10x as much.

>>512355329 (OP)
GenX here, video games will make you a useless fat lump of shit and possibly a serial killer. Only fat useless blobs of lard play video games. Fat man children that have no reason to live are avid computer gamers.

>>512356791
>Video games didn't change much from the earliest types in the 80's until the end of the 90's

You're on fento-crack or something worse. Video games radically changed through those years.

>After that, diminishing returns set in.
Now you're talking. And that is what I meant towards the end of my point. Games have basically concluded in terms of innovation and now you almost need a magnifying glass to identify the gains from a new generation launch. It's pathetic. Modern gaming is pathetic. Old gaming=memorable and fun.
New gaming=forgettable and tedious.

>>512355558
I went full Karen on a bitch at Best Buy that wouldn't sell me GTA San Andreas.

>>512355329 (OP)
After Columbine there was a push to tie video game violence to real violence.

>>512355329 (OP)
regular people didnt drink that punch. politicians pushed the videogames cause violence narrative.

>>512355794
Oh i love those couches, comfy af esp when high as a kite

>>512357241
Not good to sleep on I must say. I got fond memories of that design. I bet they're all full of beer farts and ticks now, but oh well.

>>512356937
Yeah I phrased that badly. What I mean is the progression was slow at first, until 3D graphics became mainstream.
You also had a large number of games that were more or less copy paste clones of each other (platform games seem to be the most generic type).

I played some older titles recently that I never got round to playing when they first came out, like Bully.
Even today the game is fun, the mechanics are interesting, the story is a vessel to drive the gameplay forward, instead of the other way around which seems to be the case today.

I honestly think the main issue is the target audience has changed radically, focusing on quantity and diversity of sales, which lowers the threshold for what you can consider a "quality" product dramatically.
Look at all the retards praising RDR2, when gameplaywise it's absolutely atrocious, and most games now have a serious issue with ludonarrative dissonance unless you're a tasteless fool.

On the other hand, we were really spoiled back in the early 2000's. Golden age of RTS, as well as a slew of quality releases from new companies, which have since become staples of the gaming industry. You used to just walk into a gamestop and you knew whatever you bought would be good, if not fantastic.
I can remember walking into a store and coming out with Red Orchestra. Didn't know anything about it, just looked at the back cover and bought it, and ended up with the most immersive, semi-realistic WW2 shooter made until that point.

>>512355329 (OP)
In the '90s, Bill Clinton was POTUS, and as you may well know, his presidency was, in many ways, the big cog that started the infernal machine of globalism. Woke started in earnest as soon as Clinton came into power (back then it was just generic "political correctness") and the video game industry was one of the major battlegrounds, just like today. Why? Because all kids play video games in their formative years, and this means video games would make for a powerful indoctrination tool. Unfortunately for democrats and their kike backers, however, video games (like comics, movies and other forms of media the youth consumed) were pretty edgy and politically incorrect in the '90s, as a reaction to the Reagan era focus on family values. This didn't stop them from trying to regulate and co-opt the entire industry by crybullying it into submission. Since most, if not all "gamers" at the time were minors, they couldn't directly attack them, so they focused their efforts on their boomer parents, hence why "Satanic Panic" and "TV, tabletop games and video games are producing killers" were a thing. Nowdays, every leftist motherfucker still attempts to convince people it was all the work of the religious conservative right, but make no mistake: this psyop was entirely started and directed by Al Gore and his entourage, the fat, hypocritical, bible-thumping, snake-handling protestant pastors were, as always, just the retarded golems that happily served as foot soldiers and scapegoats without even realizing it.

>>512357388
Checked, HH dubz ftw
>most games now have a serious issue with ludonarrative dissonance unless you're a tasteless fool
It's gotten so much worse, even worse than what the biggest doomsayers said would come to pass. Horse armor and its consequences, eh? Though looking back, this was bound to happen as a side effect of Gay Nigger Demon Hellworld anyway. Jews simply accelerated the process to make way for the nu-apparatchik. Joke's on them though, everyone has Jew/brown fatigue and no one's buying the gay games they ruin anymore.

>>512357388
>I honestly think the main issue is the target audience has changed radically

I think that's part of the equation, but an overlooked part. True. They're not designing games for Gen X anymore, and I accept that. Which is why I almost exclusively play the classics.
That means I'm either not helping or helping massively depending on you ask.

>>512357986
Somehow I always get hooked when a previous classic has a new release. I start remembering what it was like back in the day, when you and all your buddies played together, get my friends to purchase the same game, a week passes and we all go back to TF2 or CoH.

What do you think of remakes of old classics? Diablo Resurrected surprised me, actually competently made, allows offline play, and only has some minor QoL tweaks.

Also HL: Black Mesa was incredibly good, and I'm waiting patiently for the next entries.

>>512358474
>What do you think of remakes of old classics?
Mixed feelings. On the one hand, it's good to see respect for them, but on the other hand, where's the innovation? Where's the grand revealing of a new sublime art form that we can affect?

>>512355329 (OP)
>Was he just bullshitting or did people think video games would play a bigger role in society?
Lulz, I'm Gen X. The ass end of it. They DID. And they DO.
>Why didn't they take the next step?
What makes you think that they didn't??? Look at all of the propaganda injected into games now-a-days. You didn't have dykes, faggots, trannies and fat bitches in games in the 90's/00's. It was either made up fairy tale or complete fantasy. As it should be.

They were bitching about Mortal Kombat, Marylin Manson and Feminem.

>>512355329 (OP)
look up jack thomson lol you are gonna have a blast researching this topic lol

>>512358575
>Where's the grand revealing of a new sublime art form that we can affect?
Was meant to be VR, but as with 3D glasses this turned into a gimmicky fad.

Gaben is looking long term now towards neural implants and brain interfacing.

Basically, whenever a new Half Life comes along, you know we're in the next era of gaming.

>>512355329 (OP)
maybe you dont know... but videogames are literally right now the biggest entertainment industry in the entire world and it is not even close, videogames are bigger than the movie and music industry combined

>>512359029
Holodecks or bust then for adults.
Kids can have Mario Whahoo #48 for $95.50 before tax.

>>512357089
in germany they still try this to this very day, everytime some muslim drives a truck into a christmas market the retard medial always also ask if he played violent video games lol

>>512355329 (OP)
>Why didn't they take the next step?
gaymes have never had a gone with the wind moment.

>>512355729
I fucking hated ridge racer

>>512359252
you are retarded videogames had more of these moments than movies just from the transitions of 2D to 3D to vr

>>512359242
Super Aloha Snack Bar Bros.

>>512359322
>videogames had more of these moments than movies
wtf are you talking about videogames have never crossed over, there has never been a videogame that made normies want to buy it. gone with the wind, made people who thought movies were bullshit, buy movie tickets. nothing comparable has happened in gayming. doom was probably the closest thing.

>>512359507
Super Mario Bros. has been a feature film that normies went to see twice.

>>512355329 (OP)
>video games have always been for kids

They really shouldn’t let you faggot assed leafs on the internet.

>>512359576
>lots of people that have never read 1984, go on about it as if they had.
they might know the characters but most haven't played the games.

>>512355329 (OP)
You're too young to have seen video games get exponentially better.
I was old enough to see the transition between 6th and 7th gen and I was absolutely wow'ed by it.
No offense but you probably at best got to experience the very tail end of the 7th gen and instead have had to deal with the extremely mediocre 8th and shitty 9th gen.
Those gens would put a bad taste in anyone's mouth

>>512359650
I grew up in an era where everyone was playing CoD, FIFA, NBA 2K, Fortnite, Rocket League and Minecraft. Who do you think those games are marketed towards? Iggy Pop? In the context of my stupid life, video games never aspired to be anything else but adolescent toys.

>>512355329 (OP)
Yes, that kind of pearl clutching and subsequent media cleansing was common. The Parents Music Resource Center was chasing around metal bands, gangster rappers, etc. for having sex and violence in their lyrics. I think this culminated in the CAUTION: EXPLICIT LYRICS labels on tapes and CDs.
People assumed that DOOM, being a game in which the whole purpose of the character is to blow heads off at close range, would eventually lead the player to blow heads off at close range in real life.
Guns were banned from cartoons at some point. I remember shit like Ninja Turtles and Cowboys of Moo Mesa (Ninja Turtles, but with cows) had guns, and then suddenly they didn't.
VIDREL: Violence in Video Games - Highlights of the American Senate Committee Hearings in 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhwM3ZMTCR0
Dee Snider's PMRC Senate Hearing Speech (Full)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Vyr1TylTE

>>512360346
Almost forgot cuz some faggot's gonna ask me if that really existed. Cowboys of Moo Mesa theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWKv9QS2tJA

>>512355329 (OP)
They did take the next step.
They used video games for propaganda.
That's why they are not banned.

>>512360468
That wasn't the next step. The next step was the Bradley Trainer. Just accept that video games were invented to make money with the side effect of being entertaining, or later on, provoking some thought.

>>512355329 (OP)
>did people think video games would play a bigger role
Every single medium has this initial euphoria, until the kikes sweep in an turn it into another rent-seeking shitshow.
Vidya in particular was thought be uniquely useful for teaching (simulation) and filtering talent (think games like Amercia's Army), and while both approaches worked to some extent, the early adopters dream of creating a better society via gaming was completely crushed when cell phone games showed how profitable pointless skinner boxes with appealing, saturated graphics could be.

>>512361677
Mobile games are free and have insane competition that filters thousands if not tens of thousands of apps.
There's a reason why Nikke is insanely popular, because it stands out from the competition

>>512355329 (OP)
I was very young when the N64 came out but I still remember it was mind-blowing. These mind-blowing events don't exist anymore.

Video games were becoming a serious art form. Play a game like Chrono Trigger. The music and art are fantastic as is the story (however it was an old game so most of the story is found in subtext which I know too many people are too brain rotted to understand anymore).

Games have been even more commodified than they were before. Old games tried weird things because they were made by nerds trying to make cool shit and their bosses who were either also nerds or didn't really understand it. Now everything is focus tested bullshit. Even most indie games are just trying to put a coat of paint on something that came before, but they are at least closer to the original spirit

>>512363869
I forgot to mention the design of Chrono Trigger is also artful, there is very little wasted time as the game is constantly introducing you to new mechanics and then new explorations of those mechanics and then it's over

>>512355329 (OP)
Christian Boomers would hear on the nightly news that games like Doom or Diablo would turn your child into a Satanist mass shooter
It was mostly Satanic Panic stuff

>>512363428
>it stands out from the competition
Competition definitely drives the evolution, but my point is that this evolution eventually goes towards creating something addictive as the ultimate goal, instead of the idealists' dream of turning their current new medium into a world-reshaping new tool.
You even had this with music everytime a new tech changed how songs were produced. F.i. A-ha called the hook "a sweet poison", not least because they tried to create their version of an audible Candy Crush back then.
I think this is where all media re-orients itself towards as the business men crowd out the idealists - just like sit-coms crowded out documentaries.

>>512364278
>the hook of "Take On Me"

They thought that video games make people blast normalfags at schools in the US.

>>512355329 (OP)
The Government does this with every medium
In the 50s, the Senate had hearings on comic books corrupting youth
(pic related is Senators looking at comic books in the Senate)
Congress forced comic book heroes not to kill
Because they were afraid that if kids saw comic book heroes killing people, then the kids would start killing people too
This is the origin of Batman not murdering.
The same happened with Video Games
And in current day, you have seen this same thing play out with TikTok hearings, Facebook hearings on how it affects children
This is just what Congress does

>>512356865
Gamers are skinny. Full time employees tend to be obese.

>>512359507
> There has never been a videogame that made normies want to buy it
Is this nigga retarded?
You must be a zoomer
Gaming, now is niche, because it fucking sucks
But 8 to 12 yrs ago it was peak normie culture
>Wii bowling
>Madden
>long lines across the nation for Halo like it was a Star Wrs release
Games now are so trash, that they drove normies away

>>512359507
I guess you never heard of Halo or CoD

>>512359708
This reads like cope but I don't know exactly what it is you're coping with. You don't think normies have played any type of Mario Kart, Mario Party, Super Smash Bros, Mario Bros game? Do you know how much these games sell? Double digit millions and you only need one person to own the game for a bunch of people to play it. Everyone i know below the age of 50 has played (or in the case of some of the very young ones, watched someone play) one of these games. Many of the ones older than 50 too

It didn’t start friendly. Video games originally had a non business approach. They are weapons and designs. They had targeted groups and individuals. The US military even had a part in some games. Money came later so gun rights became platformed with it helping gun rights further.
Sexism is a design that was an easy thing to do but faces repercussions because of the lack thereof later. So it’s exploitation of women to trafficking but business is the platform so it just falls into money and who is screwing who over. So women in games are a skirt inside a business room for a money contest. It just seems what has happened with girlpower vs gamers or whatever is gamer”Gated” could really have been a media marketing scheme and not the best use of feminist weaponry.
Medical personnel tried to battle it with seizure warnings and psychiatry, but the battle is also pills and doctor bills so you do the math.
What they are designed to do is distract, addict, and use pictographic designs to mesmerize you.

>>512364345
Oh yea the 90s was the last time people actually gave a fuck, the idea that playing video games made kids killers was a complete myth, but its one people have held onto and people would rather cling to that belief and shut down the idea that video games can teach you valuable life lessons than

>>512365490
He's just blaming vidya for his shortcomings

>>512356661
Post more oriental women, for political reasons.

>>512356945
>I want to play a game where I can act like a complete nigger with no consequences
I really never understood how anyone at all could like GTA
you have to have the blackest gorilla nigger mentality in your brain to be entertained by that game

>>512358474
>What do you think of remakes of old classics?
Everyone seemed to like that UT that made most of the rest of everyone stop playing UT99
but outside of that its just more
>lets get them to buy more of this shite