Reminder: Grooming/Consent/18 Magical Age Theory are all Liberal Feminist Ideas.

Real Conservatism is adulthood at puberty, marriage at 16 & honor killing whores, it's not calling whores 'innocent sex trafficking victims', which is what all whores say to escape liability.

Trump is a one man army using the power of the ghost of Jeffrey to wipe out the AoC laws that are used as the pretext for age verification laws that are used to track people. Trump = Nixon 2.0, Age of Majority dropped from 21 to 18 under Nixon.

Man, she is hot!

>>512450393
indeed

ok

>>512449170 (OP)
>Trump is a one man army using the power of the ghost of Jeffrey to wipe out the AoC laws
Holy shit yes! Fucking based! Abolish the age of consent! There should be no age of consent. Whatever people find attractive should be allowed to marry and have sex with, as long as it’s consensual based on what they say. Anyway, why should people suppress their natural desires given to them by God/nature? When you see someone and you have an erection, which is the physical expression of love, then it is your natural desire to have sex with them. Sexual thoughts are a very powerful emotion. So how can we possibly deny this feeling?

Age is completely irrelevant. As long as they are not harmed during the act of sex (no sodomy, no fucking anal, etc) and as long as it’s consensual (no coercion, no force, all parties are conscious of what is happening, etc) then there is no harm being done to anyone at all.

>>512449170 (OP)

Jews can't even wait for puberty. They've got to get their mouth around that Bloody Baby Cock. Filthy little babies giving righteous mohels herpes are such sluts.

>>512450393
She looks like she would cheat on you all the time

>>512453737
>consensual
in the case of a young woman, the consent needs to come from her father, who gives her away in marriage. by the way all divorce judges must die, and also government indoctrination day prisons must be abolished. nothing can be allowed to come between a father and his daughter

>>512449170 (OP)
Fact: Gay Men are the biggest enemy of the Feminist. That's why a Radical Feminist shot Andy Warhol.
Gay Men are immune to pussy's hypnotic control.

>>512454676

Nah, Gay Men & Feminists are allies when it comes to age of consent issues. Traditionally, it didn't matter if you were a 16 year old homosexual or if you were a 61 year old homosexual, you either accepted exile or you were stoned to death. 18 Magical Age Theory normalizes Degeneracy by absolving under-18 degenerates of liability, thus setting the slippery slope precedent. 16 year old degeneracy eventually becomes 18 & then 20 & so on & the degeneracy just gets normalized across the board

ok

fine

>>512449170 (OP)
Hmmm, methinks many someones needs to be sent to gulag.

>>512449170 (OP)
>>512450393
>>512452776
>crazy eyes
don't stick your dick in crazy bois

>>512449170 (OP)
Every western male should be ashamed that fucking pakis and jeets understand the situation better than you.
When women hold sexless men accountable for sexpest men, they are signalling that following the law hurts you.
The only logical course of action is to beat and rape every woman who steps outside. Anything else will cause your extinction and is suicidal.
We do this for one day and women will beg to go back to couverture.

>>512459788
>stick your dick in
I would surgically graft my penis into Alexandria Daddarrio's colon if I could

>>512460109
You smells like stinky jew.

>>512460372
>memeflag jew accuses you of being jew for attacking feminism's root
It's afraid.

>>512459781

Nah, Stalin was having an affair with a 14 year old loli. He was animepilled before anime existed. The communist anti-vietnam war protestors in the US caused Nixon to drop the age of majority from 21 to 18, prior to that event, feminists were trying to hike the consent age to 21.

>>512460510
Do you think your ancesters behaved as you shitskin worshipper?

Your hooked nose kind is in decline.
Russia and China both reject your influence, while hitler was bankrolled by it.

>>512449170 (OP)
based but you can do better than 16

>>512460599
Why do we care about a failure's lack of impulse control?

>>512460685
Did you forget the 18/21 part I mentioned? The Feminist intent was to hike the consent age to 21, the communists forced the feminist liberal capitalists to recognize adulthood at 18 whether they liked it or not.

>>512460954
Trump is not nixon, and 12 is not 18. Your kind wishes to embrace the slippery slop just like your trooned out pdfs who hide in isn'treal.

Your grip is slipping jew. Those basedboy hands will be your end.

>>512461334
There was a Norman King that hiked the British Age of Majority from 15 to 21. Nixon did a half-way reversal from 21 to 18, Trump is here to complete the job. 15-17 year olds can commonly pass for 21 because biological adulthood = adulthood, that's how Epstein/Mossad blackmailed people.

Anti-Suffragists explicitly predicted that hiking the age of consent would lead to blackmail issues.

https://historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/the-legacy-of-1885-girls-and-the-age-of-sexual-consent/

https://worldhistorycommons.org/review-age-consent-legislation-texas

>>512461334
no you stupid faggot there is no slippery slope. AOC is at puberty and is punishable by death

>>512461465
He will do no such thing, he only wishes to abuse children and get away with it.

What a stupid narrative.

>>512461570
Indeed, most fathers would punish you with death.

A flower that buds is not yet bloomed. You are an anti nature idiot.

>>512461687

Adult = Biological Adult. 18 year old minors were reclassified as legal adults with the stroke of a pen under Nixon & Trump is Nixon 2.0 here to finish the job.

>>512462134
You do not understand human biology. Just because you can does not mean you should.

But you are a jew, what should not be done is a concept you are too mentally ill to comprehend.

>>512454676
fags arent as bad as feminists

>>512462435
human biology = traditional marriage at 16. All animals find mates & reproduce upon completion of puberty.

>>512449170 (OP)
>"honor killing"
The only honorable kill is to kill a muslim.

>>512463079
Are you idiot? Most states already have 16 age of consent.

>>512461825
>most fathers would punish you with death.
dinahs father jacob disinherited levi and simeon for murdering shechem who slept with dinah without marrying her first. but yeah most fathers would want to murder whoever sleeps with their daughter without them approving of the marriage
>A flower that buds is not yet bloomed. You are an anti nature idiot.
right, most fathers would want to marry their daughters off at 16+ instead of 12. the problem is the government systematically removes fathers from their daughters lives. this is why all divorce judges must die

>>512463178
ironically, in those states, a woman can fucc without her fathers permission at 16, but not marry. this is pathological. fathers need to be able to unenroll their daughters from school arbitrarily, because any intrusion on the sacred bond between father and daughter is morally unacceptable

>>512450393

>>512463250
Most are jewish, we agree. Capitalist influence encourages consumption, stagnation, and busywork over functional output.

Schools are focused on busywork to create wageslaves.

Goyslop, goymedia, and cultural collapse delays or prevents cognative development resulting in many manchild and womanchild.

Capitalist influence results in the commodification profaning of everything valuable and human.

Ideally, a full education and employment could be reached for both parties at 16, then they may choose to make family without extortion, perhaps part time, perhaps stay at home dad or mom, does not matter, as long as they do good job.

>>512463504
And yet: https://equalitynow.org/what-we-do/womens-rights-around-the-world/womens-rights-in-north-america/child_marriage_us/

How ironic.
Of course shitskin indians love arranged marriages of the dubious variety. White replacement was always the plan. Not nearly so much outcry over say, censoring degenerate games for the purpose of political supression.

>>512463178
>>512463504

In jurisdictions were the consent age is lower than the majority age, there are restrictions. Full Consent doesn't happen until the majority age (18).

>>512464200
Who cares? Old man should not be with young woman. If you are too poor early then rethink your economy. Boomers and old money are not problem with communism.

Okay I admit it, I'm a larping national socialist, but as they say, use it or lose it
But anyway, true nazis have and always will be anti degeneracy, this includes being anti old creepy men chasing teen girls.

If you want community support and optimal family planning, then worry about the economic system as it stands and the lack of culture thus community support.

Old boomers chasing gen z girls isn't the solution, it's just capitalist filth behavior taking advantage of capitalist systems and banana republic.

Practically, telling random dudes that you want their daughter isn't a way to accelerate the systems decline, but getting communists and whoever else is.

Everything humans do relates to resources.
Control finance and you control society.

Luckily jews are actually bad at this long term.

>>512464798
communists to agree*

>>512464798
It matters, because you have biological adults that aren't held accountable for their actions & this causes frivolous cases when they lie about their age. That's what the High School Dropout Epstein prostitutes were doing.

If you tell a 15 year old that they are oppressed, that oppressed 15 year old becames a litigious 51 year old that files sexual harassment lawsuits. Pre-Women's Suffrage, Men received custody of children by default, consent age was lower & divorce/sexual harassment settlements were all more pro-male. Now under Communism all of this matters less, Feminism actually works because Communism just makes everyone poor.

>>512465130
They were slaughtering children jew, we both know it.

Regardless all this goyslop makes people stupid, and as they say, young and dumb.

You blame the victims of a gatekept billionare class. You are worthless capitalist swine.

Thank you for feeding my arguments.

>>512464798
>you want community support and optimal family planning, then worry about the economic system as it stands and the lack of culture thus community support.
no, the problem is divorce, children not going with their father, and enslavement of fathers with mockingly named child support slave payments. even though its obviously illegal, men keep trying to marry

>>512449170 (OP)
Love how they use photos of arm toys & eye candy for this stuff instead of the actual largely* ugly, fat, or jewish women who actually promote it.

* emphasis on "large"

>>512464798
>Old man should not be with young woman
Fuck your feels, commie scum. I'll do what I want and put you in the ground if you have a problem with it. Mind your own fucking business, you freedom-hating commie faggot.

>>512465875
Ah yes, capitalism does love to use women to force men to work, as women buy useless things and men can actually produce it.

Of course the capitalist system would use you as a machine just as mudslimes use women as baby making machines.

Both are in error.
Seek balance.

People are followers, more so when you bribe them. Feminism and you are the same coin, different sides, both ineffective to what society could be.

Do you really think the heart should attack the nervous system?

You are corrupt, she is corrupt, spilling the blood of kin will not solve this, nor will the old ways that birthed now and today. Servile women breed weak beta males.

Is that what you want, 1950s forever?

I prefer 1933.

>>512466410
Oh is that so? Go to the local police station with that rhetoric tough guy.

>>512466502
Due Process was designed for high-trust societies. If you flood the zone with nonsensical legal delay tactics & never admit guilt & always blame the other person & everyone does it, the rule of law collapses a la any black ghetto in the US.

ok

>>512467321
I agree. There is an excellent way to increase how trustworthy a society is.

Can you guess?

>>512452776
she's like a big breasted hawk

>>512468531

You go on an unending killing spree & you're eventually going to collapse into anarchism. Anarchism = Animal Kingdom Rules = Puberty set at Adulthood, so you lose anyway.

After Anarchism, you get Warlords & Kings that implement the rules of the old human social system, again, adulthood at puberty.

>>512469545
You mean like in black ghettos?

Ah yes, what a shining example of humanity.
You belong there, animal.

>>512449170 (OP)
Christianity: submit to God’s will, be kind to everyone
Judaism: you are god, do anything you want
Satanism; you are god, do anything you want

>The Jewish people taken collectively will themselves be their Messiah. Its reign over the Universe will be achieved by the unification of the other human races, the abolition of frontiers and monarchies, which are the bulwark of particularism, and the establishment of a Universal Republic which will recognise everywhere the rights of citizens to the Jews.
>In this new organisation of Humanity, the sons of Israel, spread from now on over the whole surface of the globe, all of the same race and of the same traditional formation without, however, forming a distinct nationality, will become without opposition the leading element everywhere, especially if they succeed in imposing on the working masses the stable leadership of some of their number.

>The governments of the Nations forming the Universal Republic will all pass effortlessly into Israelite hands, thanks to the victory of the proletariat. Individual property can then be abolished by the rulers of the Judaic race who will administer the public fortune everywhere. In this way the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that when the Times of the Messiah have come, the Jews will hold under their keys the property of all the peoples of the world.

> Baruch Lévy, in a letter to Karl Marx.

https://craighutchinson.substack.com/p/the-secret-origins-of-bolshevism

It's totally feminists goyim! Not pedo jews.

>>512449170 (OP)
Reminder: Trump raped a twelve year old and thirteen year old together with his BFF Jeffrey Epstein.

>>512470093

The Wignat Germanic Pagan Barbarians destroyed Rome & made the Italian Peninsula Whiter in the process by depopulation the immigrant inhabited major cities. Look at the Genetic History of Imperial Rome. They were doing God's Work.

>>512470372
to what extent is homosexual pedophilia just jews
ignoring the pushing of homosexuality to begin with

>>512449170 (OP)
None of those were issues when adultery and fornication were punished.

How does this discussion always have "serious people" in it who think puberty for women in America starts at 16?

Who are these people? I've seen girls hit puberty at 8. Eight. EIGHT. 16? The latest bloomers were all completely developed by 16. Are these people bots or shills, because they clearly were never young themselves.

>>512470372
>>512470721

You are supposed to let LGBT Third Gender types live in their own isolated communities. You can't civilize entities that can't be civilized. Just cut them off from mainstream society, banning it all together just ensures that their corrupt dna infects the gene pool & causes long-term damage

>>512470721
They are the ones pushing homosexuality to normalize child rape.100% of LGBT activists are pedophiles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-NseFg2kno

>>512449170 (OP)
>marriage at 16
Most women will be promiscuous by that age. Very bad idea to even pick an age at all. It's up to her father's discretion.

>>512449170 (OP)
>time for men to accept female authority
>authority
No I dont think I will

>>512470913

Feminists that hiked the consent age & gave mothers custody by default, they're same ones that saw to the end of adultery laws. They noted instances where women could be pressured into marriage & wanted to give them easy ways out.

This is all connected & it goes back to the core argument of feminism & women's suffrage, which is to put the degenerate behaviors of women on 'evil groomer oppressive men'.

>>512471042
i know that, i excluded that on purpose, im asking to what degree its jews who are perpetrating it too since there's a big overlap of jews and homos and pedos and half the time there's some shit about a homo pedo its a jew

>>512449170 (OP)

>>512449170 (OP)
Males need to make a counterpart to feminism. Women follow men's lead, so if we made a masculinism they would be forced to react to it.
It could be a club for all men everywhere. They could decided how to collectively use male power in society for the betterment of mankind. Masculinism could effectively end all wars, because males worldwide could decide they would team up together against those who try to force them to die for zog.

It also has a lot of good trolling potential. I used the term masculinism, as a counterpart to feminism. But there could be other words for it.
Meninism, plays on Leninism, which would make left wing communists go crazy.
Masculinist, good for same reason as above
Masculine, good troll because feminism goes against being feminine, whereas masculinsm could be a reinforcement of masculinity.
Masculi, shorter version, counterpart to femini. Its a good troll version.

Men should to do this, because we need to take control over what it means to be masculine, away from society at large. Men, and men alone, should define this. Its not an open discussion between men and women, men and government, its just man.

Women would eventually have to content with masculinism, and tail behind what men are doing, whereas right now men are reactionaries to feminism. It should be the other way around.

>>512471012

You need to look at the history of Feminism. They hiked the age of consent to 16-18 & they were making moves to hike the consent age to 21 on top of that. They were blocked by the communist anti-vietnam war protestors that forced the age of majority get lowered to 18 from 21.

You will not even be able to pierce the age of consent discussion unless you start attacking the concept of the age of majority itself.

Everything was standardized at 18 only in the past few decades, under the old legal standard, teens that lied to get married/enlist in the military/fight in the world wars/sign general contracts were all held liable as emancipated adults.

You need to argue over the age of majority first & argue for contractual capacity for under-18s before you will even be allowed to talk about consent based on how the modern dialectic is constructed.

>>512454676
Gay men are feminists

One should take note, that the social media most flooded with jews, being 4chan, also has the most pdfs.

Coincidence? I think not!

>>512463623
Still smoking hot

>>512449170 (OP)
Based

>>512471622
>jews are pedophiles

>>512449170 (OP)
>Real Conservatism is adulthood at puberty, marriage at 16 & honor killing whores, it's not calling whores 'innocent sex trafficking victims', which is what all whores say to escape liability.
Being an adult does not mean you're incapable of being exploited.

The reason fucking young people is wrong is that its inherently exploitative due to the inherent power imbalance that comes from one partner being more experienced educated than the other. You have countless life experiences to draw upon with which you can use to make decisions for yourself, a 16 year old has barely been alive for long enough to have a fucking driver's license -- there is necessarily a power imbalance here, and no relationship should have an imbalance of power as that is how deep-rooted social coercion begins.

But this is all null and void to you, I can tell. I can tell that you not only don't care, but actively support the exploitation of humans. You believe in hierarchy because you're a fascist piece of shit, but the irony is that you don't realize you'd be a member of an oppressed class in a fascist republic, most certainly not of the oppressor class. You're a nobody, and your political beliefs would leave you under the boot of someone much stronger than yourself.

TL;DR - its not about "the magical age of 18," its about a more relativistic view of age and romance/sexuality. An 18 year old girl shouldn't be fucking a 30 year old man, either, there is a 12 year age gap there, and this girl is most certainly being exploited by this man. Likewise, the 18 year old girl should not have sex with a 13 year old boy, because of the massive gap in mental development between the two, that boy is most certainly being exploited by that girl.

>>512467321
Like everything Good Faith is the most important element.

>>512472015
>experienced educated

What you call education is the grooming itself. Any type of Job Training or Education is grooming, none of that is needed, you can simply default to animal kingdom instincts.

Let nature sort it out, people that want to get certain types of skilled jobs will figure it out & take the initiative. That's how both industrial revolutions happened, before child labor laws & compulsory education existed, back when the adulthood age was more ambiguous.

>>512449170 (OP)
> Anything that gives structure to male sexuality is oppressive
White men don’t think this way. Only brown people think they should be allowed to rape the most vulnerable of society with no repercussion

>>512472666
Okay satan, let's make everywhere 3rd world yeah?

>>512472015
>boot of someone much stronger than yourself.

The people that go under the boot are the ones that serve the system, any system, the anti-groomers that obsess over feminist age 18 hysteria in the modern day, they're the lickspittles in any system. Radicals are always Radicals.

>>512463623
Would absolutely take her home and help her unload groceries, then face fuck her while she touches herself.

>>512449170 (OP)
18 is indeed an arbitrary number.
But there does need to be a number.
The lower bound is
>You can have sex with any girl that has had her period
I'm partial to period + consent of the parent/guardian, until the age of social responsibility (whether that's 16 or 18 or 20 [God help you, Korea]), then she can fuck whoever she wants.
Of course, then you have to deal with parents who would sell their 12 year old's cunny.

>>512472872
You're under the boot of your own degeneracy, filth.

>>512470317
Depends what they are talking about regarding children, 16/18? Or pre pubesenct? If the latter, then they are batshit bonkers.

>>512472829
>everywhere 3rd world
Advanced Economies developed far ahead of what you call the third world before child labor laws/compulsory education/rigid 18 adulthood age dynamics came into existence. No one considered teenage soldiers that lied about their age to fight in the world wars to be grooming victims, teens that lied to get married were also similarly considered adults.

>>512473256
Oh is that so? Slave economies which were preindustrial?

You paint history with a broad brush, the elites of society hired personal tutors.
Education is more valued as technology increases.

You have a story as an excuse for your own degeneracy, nothing more.

Roman patriarchs didn't have their grandchildren running around clueless fucking whoever and being usless until rome started to fall.

What you have right now is a gayfetished fanfic of history.

>>512472793
>should be allowed to rape the most vulnerable of society with no repercussion

The Imperial Romans browned themselves, look at the genetic data regarding late Imperial Rome. The Low impulse control germanic pagan barbarian wignats whitened the italian peninsula by destroying Rome.

>>512473700

see

>>512474072

Those Late Imperial Romans were brownoids whose descendants were saved by the Germanic Pagan Wignat Barbarians that whitened them.

People will get educational skills for various occupations if they think the pay is worth it, that's what happened in the old days.

As far as Slave Societies, ok well, the Germanic Slaves destroyed Rome & the Turkic Slaves of the Arabs took over the Middle East.

>>512474252
Rome became increasingly a slave society thus its fall.

You are useless now, go hang with niggers if you love no impulse control so much.

>>512474472

Arabs & Turks had slavery & they did fine, as did the Spanish/Portuguese/British. Slave Societies don't cause declines. Black Americans keep saying 'we built America, nigga'. From the Horse's mouth.

ok

>>512449170 (OP)
Wait. Did the Age of Majority really used to be 21 only 50 years ago?

>>512463013
>>512454676
There isn’t only 1 single type of gay. For example, trannies are often WORSE mote militant and bloodthirsty than female feminists. Trannies are gay men. Ergo, some types of gays are more feminist than others.

>>512459788
I’m gonna have to put my dick in her brother, sorry.

>>512476503

Yes, but it was not as aggressively enforced as modern 18, as I pointed out in the thread. It was common for teenagers to lie about their age to get held liable for adult contracts, such as marriage,military enlistment, etc.

>>512476503
Yes. People got upset that you could be drafted at 18, without having had the opportunity to vote for a representative of the government that was sending you to die.
So they lowered it to 18. Should have just not drafted 18-20 year olds, but here we are.

>>512460620
>>512460372
Turns out that this is a kike

>>512449170 (OP)
i see no reason why we cant go younger.

>>512464798
>Old man should not be with young woman
>Old boomers chasing gen z girls isn't the solution, it's just capitalist filth
No it isn't, it's basic biology.
A normal straight man is attracted to a young woman able to bear children. That's biological fact and you cannot get rid of it by making laws about it or gaslighting everyone into thinking it's a mental illness.

>>512472666
>What you call education is the grooming itself. Any type of Job Training or Education is grooming, none of that is needed, you can simply default to animal kingdom instincts.
This is an idealism, you idiot. This is not materialism. Materialism, is, recognizing that at this current stage of human development, the populous is not going to "default to animal king instincts." We live in a modern society, with modern socioeconomics, where people have to go to school and get a job, and where people have different levels of life experience and education because of that fact -- and society is never going to walk itself back to primitivism, just because idealists like you think it's better on paper.

>Let nature sort it out, people that want to get certain types of skilled jobs will figure it out & take the initiative. That's how both industrial revolutions happened, before child labor laws & compulsory education existed, back when the adulthood age was more ambiguous.
Again, that's an idealism. This will never happen in the real world, so there is zero point in discussing it.
If, ifs and buts were candy and nuts, then we'd all have a merry Christmas.

>>512477295
>A normal straight man is attracted to a young woman able to bear children. That's biological fact and you cannot get rid of it by making laws about it or gaslighting everyone into thinking it's a mental illness.
Sexual attraction is equally shaped by your socialization as it is your biology, hence why we have cultural traditions and laws that decentivize adults viewing children sexually, to help socialize adults away from it.
Your mind is a powerful, everchanging engine, and acting like you're a slave to your body's programming is, frankly, really god damn weak of you. You are not some soulless automaton, you're a dynamic being.

>>512477609
>Sexual attraction is equally shaped by your socialization as it is your biology
Just because you are an NPC capable of lying to yourself about what you're attracted to, doesn't mean the rest of us are too.

>>512449170 (OP)
retarded jew or muslim post?

>>512477609
>Sexual attraction is equally shaped by your socialization as it is your biology,
That isn't true. It's marginally shaped by your socialization at best, certainly not equally shaped. Which is why in every society since the dawn of time, and with other mammals too, a female who is breedable is desirable unless there's something seriously wrong with them. Ugly people exist of course but that's another marginal side of it.

>>512477701
>Just because you are an NPC capable of lying to yourself about what you're attracted to, doesn't mean the rest of us are too.
Just because you're an actual soulless automaton, slave to his own body and his biochemistry, does not mean the rest of us are too.

>>512449170 (OP)
You already live in a matriarchy you shit for brains nigger retard

>>512477350
>and society is never going to walk itself back to primitivism,

It doesn't need to *walk itself back* when it can be beaten down by nature itself into the natural world order.

When your institutions are all discredited, your 'modern society' loses its legs of support & a reversion to nature takes place.

>>512477609

You are in fact a product of your body's engineering, you are the one promoting the idealistic power of brainwashing, which grows out of Tabula Rasa/Blank Slate Mind theory.

This debate is effectively the old nature vs. nurture debate, and nature always wins in the end.

>>512449170 (OP)
Source: Cousin fucker Cletus over here

>>512477791
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3000557/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
>>512477950
>It doesn't need to *walk itself back* when it can be beaten down by nature itself into the natural world order.
This is idealism, as it will literally never happen.

>>512476786
>>512476503

>. People got upset that you could be drafted at 18,

The funny thing is that the people that got upset were the Communist Anti-Vietnam War protestors, the Zohran/Luigi/Pro-Palestine types.

The Conservatives & the Feminists were telling the 18 year old conscripts to shut up & get in line as they tried to hike the consent age to 21 simultaneously. Communists won the argument.

>>512478131

Every organism including every civilization has a natural birth-death cycle, your liberal civilization does as well.

Claiming to be beyond the power of nature & science is what is actually 'idealism'.

>>512478006
>Cousin fucker Cletus over here

Royals engaged in inbreeding in order to preserve the military conqueror bloodlines of their ancestors. It was proto-genetics & a form of eugenics.

>>512449170 (OP)
everyone knows that socialism and communism is better than capitalism,
and market participants shouldnt be allowed to figure this out for
themselves

anyone who says that god knows best when a girl is ready to make a
baby, is not connected to reality, and it is not a strong argument

anyone who claims that old men fucking young women, who then have
babies, increase the lifespan of the human race are not telling the
truth

anyone who has sex with someone under the age of 25 must hang, anyone
who is under 25 having sex must be arrested for social disorder, put
into a re-education camp for wrongthink, and then put on a list that
tracks mentally ill people for the rest of their lives

anyone who has art of paintings, whose color configuration depicts
someone under the age of 25 in a sexual or nude position must hang

anyone who has pieces of plastic or rubber or latex, whose color
configuration depicts someone under the age of 25 in a sexual or nude
position must hang

anyone who has masturbation paraphernalia or toys, must hang, they are
unnatural, and degenerate

Bill Gates has put in alot of effort to depopulate the world, dont fuck it up, by having kids at an earlier age

the only exceptions to this should be if you are a visible minority or trans because logic is racist

understand the sexual marketplace and suffering of human life

>>512472015
>An 18 year old girl shouldn't be fucking a 30 year old man, either, there is a 12 year age gap there, and this girl is most certainly being exploited by this man
how do you know it isnt the other way around? specifically look at scott adams. but you implicitly think the man is in charge because you implicitly assume marriage, which is openly illegal

>>512449170 (OP)

>>512472015
>The reason fucking young people is wrong is that its inherently exploitative due to the inherent power imbalance that comes from one partner being more experienced educated than the other.
This loses any pursuasive strength it might have had when you remember that, Just like with all the other leftist edicts, this isn’t applied equally, or equitably, or really with any fairness at all in all situations. Times where there’s a power imbalance include financial abuse, but where are the deputized lynch mobs working in tandem with the local SWAT?

Why is SWAT even involved at all in this very mundane thing?

Try to answer the questions by being PERSUASIVE.

It used to be 12, and plenty of places made a kind of incremental raise to 14, then like you have in the UK to 16.

But if you look at something like the Texas law that's 14, this has the caveat of parents permission. So in actual conservative community this would be where you the man are offering marriage and asking for her father's hand.

People very *conveniently* leave out that part. There are men who want the consent as low as possible,, and then they can do things like actually groom a prepubescent child on places like discord (via some literal childs game) and do it with things like use a voice masker (so they sound higher pitched if the parents are casually listening). This is not the same. There are people who want you to believe they are. Who have an agenda.

(((they))) will never get rid of age of consent laws. Because such laws are mostly just respected by whites, who follow laws (including nonsense like hatespeech laws) they don't agree with. So that then cuts off the number of fertile years, and it doesn't even have to be extreme it could be raising it from 16 to 18, it's a numbers game. It's lengthening the gaps between generations and keeping the white brithrate lower.

Then there's the blackmail aspect, if you get rid of these laws you don't get to actually make it a criminal matter in addition to it being an affair. And while a lot of the wealthy and power do in fact live to a different standard and the law doesn't apply equally, i.e. you joe public could be going to jail if you fucked woman who said she was 18 and she was really 15 and entrapped you. Members of the elite only really go in jail when other elites want them there. Read that again. So the Mossad blackmail material that was collected, to be put in the back pocket, just in case, like if one of these figures were to start condemning what's happening in Gaza, who wouldn't shut up about it, they'd find photographs on their desk. It becomes useless if it all comes out.

>>512463623
this is when she was taking arab brown dick

now she exclusively takes nippon yellow strong cock

>>512449170 (OP)
Real conservatism is worship of Israel, it has got nothing to do with age of consent

>>512479249
The main issue is that at say 30yo you won't get a 16yo. Maybe like a 23-24yo

>>512479621
>So the Mossad blackmail material that was collected,

see
>>512461465

The Epstein Issue coming out into the open & getting covered up in broad daylight reduces the legitimacy of age of consent laws, which means they became less enforceable, average people will say 'If Elites can get away with it, so can I'. Drugs were legalized via jury nullification.

>>512479820
Real conservatism is Islam.
White "conservatism" is sucking Jew dicks 24/7

>>512479931

The Age of Consent hysteria is overall a very stupid issue & is based on extreme scenarios. The people that are harassed by them are typically 20-something males that have to deal with lying teenagers. In the old days, under the old legal precedent, lying teenagers were held liable for marriage/military enlistment contracts, etc. so the problem solved itself.

When Ataturk hiked the Turkish/Ottoman Majority age from 15 to 21, you didn't see a dramatic decline in 15+40yo couples, because there were very few such couples to begin with.

The whole issue of teachers & high school students can be easily resolved the same way it is resolved for college professors & undergraduate students. Just fire the teachers & fine them civilly.

>>512480054
Muslims suck jew cocks the hardest tho, only a very tiny shia minority is actually against Israel

>>512449170 (OP)
those eyes, man
still get me

>>512480367
Hamas is Sunni

>>512480047
right. if trump and republicans release the list now, theyll be heroes against foreign blackmail, and age of consent will be dead. the longer they wait the more complicit with foreign blackmail they are

>>512449170 (OP)
Yeah...ok.

>>512481653

It's the other way around, if the list is not released, it causes people to question the legitimacy of the age of consent, which is how you beat it. 'If Elites can violate the age of consent, so can I'.

>>512449170 (OP)
All Nixon did was lower the voting age, which was a kike plot to let idiot college kids vote for gibs. Ironically that’s now blowing up in their face as the new gen is more nationalist than ever

>>512482203
age of consent dies when trump pardons everyone for violating it while exposing them for being blackmailed by israel

>>512454405
this

>>512470372
>there can only be one single problem goy! Only focus on one group of jews please not on the others!
Hope you die in a car accident kike.

>>512473127
Yeah having sex with hot teens must really feel terrible! Like a, uh, like a boot or something!

>>512473700
>Slave economies which were preindustrial?
The 19th century was not a slave economy anon… everywhere outaide the US that is. Most Europeans banned slavery by the start of that century.
>Roman patriarchs didn't have their grandchildren running around clueless fucking whoever and being usless until rome started to fall.
If you learned what the Roman age of consent was, it would cause you to have a heart attack. So I won’t tell you

>>512474252
The Germanic invaders were nearly all Christians anon, not Pagans. Only Britain (and northern France for like 10 years)l before the conversion) got the Pagan tribes such as Angles and Jutes.

>>512449170 (OP)
Gen Z dudes are worried their already shitty existence will get worse as rich millennials and gen-x move in and steal their tail. I understand the frustration. But when you use 'pedo' or 'child rapist', the obvious thing that comes to mind is the abuse of pre-pubescent kids. Not getting a handy from a hot 16 year old who could pass for 22.

>>512483762
The bulk of the damage to Late Rome was caused by Attila the Hun, who was a pagan. Though not a Germanic, he had Germanics in his horde & his considered a hero in Germanic folklore. Attila = Wignat version of Neo/Keanu.

>>512450393
She's 15 years past her prime, and massive tits are overrated (they sag very quickly).

>>512477804
>following your own desires is slavery
>repressing them is freedom

And here we have agecucks finally admitting that they're all Orwellian cunts. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Don't argue with agecucks. They're brainwashed beyond all reason. Just stomp their heads into the pavement. It's not only a matter of freeing men from feminist tyranny, it's a matter of societal survival. The societies that adopt this feminist absurdity will die off due to low birth rates and the societies that reject it will continue. People who support feminist age of consent laws are subverters and terrorists. They are a threat to a functioning society and they should be declared a danger to national security and neutralized. You will either support 40-year-old men fucking 16-year-old girls or you are a terrorist. This is not a joke.

>>512479931
Bullshit. But even if this was true, I'd lower the age of consent anyway just to see you faggots seethe.

>>512483393
having sex with hot teens does feel like a boot to epsteins club

>>512484823
>The societies that adopt this feminist absurdity will die off due to low birth rates and the societies that reject it will continue
it wouldnt matter if women were locked in convents until 30, they would come out and have 5 babies each, if marriage was legalized

>>512484823
>Bullshit. But even if this was true, I'd lower the age of consent anyway just to see you faggots seethe.
I never knew a man who did that. Most age gaps are modest. What I do sometimes know of are 35 and 25

>>512485514
>marriage is illegal
The fuck am I reading?

>>512452776
>deliberately chooses outfit that bares her breasts to the world
>"oh no, they can see my boobs"
Are women sentient?

>>512484823
>if this was true,

It literally is true, there wasn't a massive increase in 35yo + 18yo couples after the majority age was lowered from 21 to 18, because there weren't that many to begin with.

There wasn't a massive decrease in 35yo +15yo couples after Ataturk hiked the Turkish age of majority to 21 from 15, because there weren't that many such couples to begin with.

Age of Consent hysteria is a literal feminist scam designed to reinforce the evil oppressive male narrative which is used to help women across the board including in terms of getting favorable divorce/sexual harassment judgements/child custody.

>>512484526
Actually you’re right. However, Attila was literally a hapa mutt and a military genius. In a way, Attila represented the great revolt of Rome’s subjects (Rome actually dominated the rest of Europe beyond its borders through soft power projection and a military campaign here and there).

>>512486675
>soft power
reveal bong flag

>>512486644
Checked and true, but there were a few couples like that and I think we need to have some very high-profile cases of this being re-normalized to show the cucks and spinsters that their bullshit will no longer be tolerated.

>>512449170 (OP)
Trump is supporting a non-white serial rapist of white children.

Epstein is connected to Israel, this is why Trump is covering it up. He doesn't want to risk the political fallout for Israel when people realize all of Epstein's clients were blackmailed and used as Israeli assets.

"The most concrete link is his relationship with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Epstein and Barak met numerous times between 2013 and 2017, with Barak visiting Epstein’s properties in Florida and New York approximately 30 times, including a 2014 private flight in Florida. Barak received $2.3 million from an Epstein-associated foundation between 2004 and 2006, and Epstein invested $1 million in a limited partnership established by Barak in 2015.

Another connection stems from Epstein’s ties to Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father, Robert Maxwell, was a British media mogul alleged to have had links to the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad. Some sources, including former Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben-Menashe, have claimed Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell ran a “honey-trap” operation for Mossad to blackmail influential figures. A lawsuit by a woman identified as Jane Doe 200 alleged Epstein boasted of being a Mossad agent.

Epstein was also associated with the Wexner Foundation, which supports Jewish leadership and has ties to Israel. His financial backer, Leslie Wexner, was a member of the “Mega Group,” a collection of Jewish philanthropists, which some, like former NSA counterspy John Schindler, have speculated was linked to Israeli intelligence operations. Epstein reportedly invested in an Israeli startup, Reporty Homeland Security (later rebranded as Carbyne), connected to Israel’s defense industry, further fueling speculation."

https://x.com/TCNetwork/status/1929574983421792437

Epstein is a jew who raped white girls and got other guys to rape white girls so he could blackmail them and use them as Israeli assets.

Trump is supporting the modern day Leo Frank.

>>512476750
>I’m gonna have to put my dick in her brother
And this is why you use commas

all women are feminists, a religion made for whores to worship nigger dick

>>512478272
>Every organism including every civilization has a natural birth-death cycle
Yes, that is material reality. What becomes must also entropy. This applies to the entire universe.
>your liberal civilization does as well
I'm not a liberal, retard. Liberalism fundamentally believes in private property as a human right. I'm a Marxist, specifically the opposite.
>Claiming to be beyond the power of nature & science is what is actually 'idealism'
Except, it's literally nature and science, that the brain, an everchanging engine, has equal say in the biological function of your body. I didn't say I was beyond nature, I said that the human consciousness is in control of a lot more than you give it credit for.

>>512450393
True Detective was such a great show

>>512488978
>trust the science, goy
And of course by "it's literally nature and science" you mean "it's some half-remembered pseud shit I read on Reddit once from some random roastie who had 59 nigger dicks in her mouth while typing it".

It gives me the ick to think of sleeping with a teen, they are not developed.

Have you eaten a fruit that isn't ripe yet? it gives you stomach-ache and vomit.

>>512485754
it is openly illegal to expect your wife to perform her marital duty. that expectation is itself mens rea for marital rape

>>512488978

If you want to change adulthood, you need to change it on the genetic level with biological engineering, the eugenicists are fundamentally correct on this. Left-Wing Liberalism/Jacobinism/Communism is a cousin ideology to classical liberalism, it's all part of the same all men are created equal paradigm.

>>512449170 (OP)
Every heterosexual male knows this instinctively. Anyone saying the age of consent should actually be as high as 18 is being performative for social reasons. That said, there should be an age of consent and having sex with actual children who haven't hit puberty yet is wrong. The age of consent should be no higher than 14 and no lower than 11, any lower is degeneracy and any higher is simply malicious governance.

>>512486644
the evil oppressive male narrative, actually the powerless and safely punched down on male narrative, comes from enslavement of men with mockingly named "child support" slave payments, and subsequent sexual mutilation of their children. age of consent doesnt matter to the average man, but the terror of the antifamily courts does

>>512450393
>>512449170 (OP)
We should put what women in control of everything

>>512478945
>how do you know it isnt the other way around
By the nature of the 12 year age gap? Y'know, the point of the post you responded to?
>specifically look at scott adams.
I'm going to need you to be specific because on Googling who this person is I don't see any information relevant to the topic.
>but you implicitly think the man is in charge because you implicitly assume marriage
It seems like you're thinking about this as a gender dialectic and not what I'm talking about, an age gap; gender is irrelevant, the logic works in any case.
Of course, there are certain LIMITED conditions in-which the dynamic might be reverse, such as if the 30 year old in question were mentally retarded, but that's obviously a LIMITED circumstance, and a case like that can be judged on its own individual basis. At that point, the issue isn't romantic/sexual exploitation by age, but by intelligence, on the part of the 18 year old girl.

That does however feed back into why exploitation by age is inherent to any age gap dynamic, exploitation by intellect. Not mechanical intellect, as in IQ, but as in cognitive function and decision making.

18 year olds don't quite know what love *should* be, it's very common for people that young to fall into bad relationships because think *think* they love their partner. Someone with 12 years more experience than them could manipulate that quite quickly. The younger the age, the more that applies; a 30 year old can easily make a 14 year old girl think she's in love with him, and then he could manipulate that to do very heinous shit.

>>512490027
lmfao. this person is posting about the esoteric minute of "love" and at what point a person "develops the ability to know what love is properly."

I ....this isn't real, right? this is a joke post, right? you're joking right, memeflag? right?

>>512479347
>This loses any pursuasive strength it might have had when you remember that, Just like with all the other leftist edicts, this isn’t applied equally, or equitably, or really with any fairness at all in all situations.
Oh, no, I certainly agree; there are conditions in which one exploitation can supersede the other one, but my point was that at a baseline, age gap relationships tend to veer in the favor of the older person through exploitation of the victim's intellectual limitation - not in a mechanical sense, like IQ, but in a cognitive sense, like decision making (a 150 IQ 12 year old is still not prone to making good decisions, that center of the brain does not develop for a while regardless of IQ, and it doesnt fully round out until 25).

Your example of financial abuse can ring true, certainly - can you name an example of an 18 year old girl financially abusing a 30 year old man in a way that supersedes his exploitation of her lack of cognitive completeness?
>Why is SWAT even involved at all in this very mundane thing?
They shouldn't be, cops work just fine unless the dude is a fuckin terrorist or something.

>>512484823
>repressing them is freedom
No one said repression. Socialization of humans typically happens in formative years before those desires ossify, fucking idiot.
>acknowledging the affection of socialization on humans is orwellian
Liberal retardation at work, ladies and gentlemen.

>>512483779
Gen Z will almost certainly be the least reproductive generation in history. Gen Z males have basically shut themselves out of sexual activity because anything beyond a 4 year age gap is considered pedophilia to them, yet gen Z girls will still fuck millenials and gen X because girls have always fucked older men and they never sexually self regulate the way cucked men do.

>>512490196
You're a fucking idiot. You DO need to develop a true sense of love/romance. You DO need time to learn what is right (as in how to be treated properly), what is wrong (as in what is abusive), what is just puppy love (a crush / infatuation), and what is true love (love).
It develops slowly over time, with the growth of your cognition and with gained experiences.

>>512486644
>This
AoC laws only exist as a way for women to blackmail men so the state can steal more money from us.

>>512455469

America died when homosexuals and feminists stopped being burnt alive at the stake in the town square

>>512490646

That's not it. AOC laws exist so girls can be completely ruined by the system before any decent man who wants to build a family can bond with them.

>>512486529
she shows em, shes not that sensitive

>>512491227
This. They want girls to be absolute sluts by the time they enter high school and you, a man, get the already fucked-up leftovers. It’s a depopulation effort.

>Didnt get teen love at that age? Tough shit! Move on! Just go die in a corner with a hobby!
How about no?

>>512491227
This.

>>512490266
>that center of the brain does not develop for a while regardless of IQ, and it doesnt fully round out until 25
Utter pseudoscience bullshit, like basically everything else you've said here.

>>512491424
This right here is really the key problem with modern America. What self-respecting man with essential science and tech skills is going to work for a society that doesn't give him teen pussy? America screwed over nerds and now America is losing to China on every front.

>>512491227
That too, it's no surprise that women get sluttier and sluttier as the conversation around the age of consent creeps higher and higher. Men are far more protective of their women when they know he's the first and only man she's ever been with, that makes her truly HIS. If you have to wait until after she's already been through 5+ years of puberty and has fucked half her school's football team before you're even allowed to touch her there's a lot less incentive to take her seriously, which just leads to her slutting around even more. A 22 year old trying to fuck a 17 year old is apparently a pervert with just wants to use her body for sex, but a 17 year old boy who hasn't even graduated high school yet and literally CAN'T offer her anything other than sex is somehow the better alternative? Lol AoC laws are so detrimental that they couldn't possibly have ever been made in good faith.

>>512449170 (OP)
>Real Conservatism is adulthood at puberty, marriage at 12
Fixed for you

>>512482009
she is full of plastic surgery

>>512449170 (OP)
Age of consent is only where it is to encourage women to work rather than to have kids and stay with one man. if the age was pushed to 21 women would have even more time to be sluts and work a 9 to 5 rather than settle down and have kids.

Thats really it

>>512492185
>age was pushed to 21

They were literally pushing it to 21 back when the age of majority was 21 in the 1960s, it was the communist anti-vietnam war protestors that forced a lowering of the age of majority to 18 which shut down the whole conversation.

The Good-For-Nothing Conservatives were telling 18 year olds to get in line, it was the Communists that inadvertently blocked the hike.

AOC laws were raised by feminists because they didnt want young women getting pregnant, which would impede their ability to get educated and become financially independent. All of this shit isnt about ethics, it's about ideology and making more "boss babes"

>>512493145
>Women need to be learning how to work in factories to make (((corporations))) more money instead of becoming mothers
Feminism is pure undeniable evil.

>>512468913
lol, you made me silently go ' heh'

>>512491934
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7194023/

>>512493145

Ugly and old spinsters wanted to make more of them, and it's been like that since then in a never-ending spiral.

>>512449170 (OP)
I can legally bang 16 year olds, americans seething, if the parents agree I can bang 15 year olds

>>512454676
Lot of people don't talk about the law the English passed to ban gay men also established age of consent in the West.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmeline_Pankhurst

You can barely find this by looking up feminists, but you can find it almost immediately by looking up Turing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Law_Amendment_Act_1885

Being anti gay is just a control mechanism for globalists to control narratives.

>>512470372
Feminism is a product of judaism, you can't talk about feminism without also talking about jews.

>>512473029
>then you have to deal with parents who would sell their 12 year old's cunny.
This happens anyway, ask any child whose parents tried to get them into hollywood.

>>512493482

You can do that in most of America too, but in any modern jurisdiction where the consent age is below the majority age, there are still various conditions.

>>512493145

>>512493501
>>512449170 (OP)

It's WT Stead who's responsible for the age of consent hike more than anyone else.

He wrote the 'Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon' which was the first 'pedo hunting' journalistic endeavor. He purchased services from a 13 year old prostitute & created a giant scandal. He's also the same guy that pioneered the 'government by journalism' concept whereby the media develops narratives that are used to control public policy.

Curious fact about him is that he predicted a titanic-type sinking event where a ship hit an iceberg & there weren't enough life boats (same 1880s time frame he wrote the maiden tribute of modern babylon). He ended up dying on the Titanic's Maiden Voyage to NYC.

>>512493407
>believe the government, goy

>>512493799
This isn't true for the most part, It's normies' legal headcanon. In the grand majority of jurisdictions, the age you see is the age you get, no extraneous bullshit. The only exceptions are for authority figures.

>>512495359

You can't do any sort of electronic communications whereby you explicitly solicit sex, there are federal restrictions against that, simply asking to meet up is fine though.

>>512470317
Is it bad that I really want this to be true because my housemaid molested me when I was a toddler and I do not know if it fucked me up or not? I feel normal, but I'm not sure I know what normal feels like.

Maybe she was molested as a child and is coping by insisting she isn't fucked in the head?

>>512495972

You are in a third world country, laws are less meaningful because you can just bribe the authorities to look the other way.

In terms of the psychology of getting molested, it's not that different from spanking in terms of the effect, it primarily makes the child slightly more docile due to the helplessness feeling.

>>512495359
So what you're telling me is you're a child rapist.

>>512494239
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._T._Stead

>>512454405
To expand on this for argument sake, why can a 16 year old consent to an 18 year old but not a 20 year old in many states? Challenge: your answer can't feed into sexual market protectionism for old insecure women.

>>512476750
thats pretty gay, bro

fine

>>512450393
This woman if FORTY years old

if anything the praise she gets on /pol/ is evidence that this place is full of resentful millenials who never grew past 2015

>>512496479
And what you're telling me is that you're a massive retard and asshole who really just needs to get your fucking teeth knocked out. Calling somebody a child rapist is a potentially life-ending accusation, and therefore when it's being used slanderously by a dickhead like you who doesn't know what a child is, it should be legal and accepted to respond to such slander with force. Same for false rape accusations in general, because that's really the only thing American age of consent laws are - just a giant false rape accusation that seeks to portray normal men as sex pests for wanting what normal men want. I believe that those who are proven to have made a false accusation should get whatever punishment the accused would have gotten had they been found guilty, and since you want to murder us, I violently dislike you and want you dead.

>>512449170 (OP)
ChatGPT rated my theory 92/100.
Deep down, you know you're wrong. Scientifically, you know you're wrong.
You created a little narrative for yourself to excuse your broken pattern recognition.

>>512499516
Occam's Razor is that 16 is the correct marriage/reproductive age because that was the age for the majority of human existence & it also corresponds to nature/biological adulthood.

>>512500218
Occam's razor is a utility of probability assumption. It is known that 16 year olds don't have fully developed hip width or stable menstrual cycles as they do at 20-24 years old.

>>512500839
Now compare 16 year olds to 36 year olds, it's easier for 16 year olds to give birth, they have less complications. Why do you liberal feminists always ignore the natural physiological decline that takes place after the age 25 plateau?

>>512501041
>Now compare 16 year olds to 36 year olds
You've lost the argument, so you're throwing irrelevancy at me. No. You compare 16 year old fertility to 20-24 year old fertility: the age range science has discovered to be optimal fertility.

>it's easier for 16 year olds to give birth, they have less complications
Also false. C-sections are a birth complication, having narrow underdeveloped hip width is often the reason for a C-section.
>Why do you liberal feminists
Recognize you have succumbed to the weakest cry of defeat and you're effectively complaining that my mental framework is better than yours.

Pound sand. See >>512499516

>>512501243

>>512501243

You absolutely can, you want to compare the capacity of 16 year olds to twenty-somethings, which is the human physical prime age, but you ignore 30-somethings, if it's more unsafe for those 36 year olds to give birth, why do you arbitrarily allow it? What happened to 'muh safety'?

You think you can force people to reproduce within a narrow age bracket, but that's grooming & that's not how human behavior works. If you delay reproduction, you can't assume reproduction will automatically take place in that narrow age bracket you designate, that's a faulty premise.

>>512501623
Alas, my biggest nemesis: the sourceless meme.
>Source: trust that I'm not trying to rationalize my broken pattern recognition bro.
>>512493895
Additionally for fun:
This meme has a source, but the site data doesn't reflect it. It begins at 22 on every archived version and redirect known across every major archive site. I even hand-typed that retarded URL for maximum accuracy. I'm out here doing free work to help heal your quasi-ephebophilic asses.

>>512497421
I don't care about your rabbit holes, heh, fucking pubescent girls is common sense

>>512501623

That chart shows the optimal reproductive age bracket is 15-25, after which there is a natural fall off, which proves my point about physiological decline after age 25 & about how you ignore the post-25 decline physiological decline factor.

>>512501873
Because you're avoiding the point of the discussion. 16 isn't optimal. 20-24 is optimal.
>Heh, 90 year olds are peak maturity but can't have kids at all. Curious. That curiosity emboldens my argument doesn't it?
Retard. Block yourself from this site and undo all the shit you've been memed into believing.
>Freebie: All your arguments have been internally incoherent.

>>512502154

Why you do ignore what happens post-25? Why do you cherrypick your narrow age window? Why do you assume delaying the reproduction age past 16 automatically means people are going to reproduce at 20? Some people if they get habituated to delaying reproduction, just continue to delay.

>>512501889
it's some norwegian study i forgot the name of
>>512502099
i'm not him. 16 is optimal. 12 is better than 30. even if a 12 year old starts fucking as soon as she gets her period it will probably take her a few months to get pregnant because of irregular periods and another year to actually give birth, making her 14. agecucks are fags

>>512502154
>>512502961

25 is the peak human physiological age as I've said many times, but post 25 humans start to breakdown on a cellular level, that's why cavemen died before they hit 50. Feminists keep ignoring physiological decline & refuse to compare thirty-somethings to teenagers, only focusing on a cherrypicked 20-something window & they arrogantly assume that all those that would reproduce at 16 would automatically reproduce at 20 if they simply delayed the age, when that's not what happens in reality. They think too linearly, they ignore habit formation & procrastination.

When you delay reproduction past the teenage years, many of those teens develop bad habits & procrastinate & delay reproduction until their 30s/40s when it's even less safe to reproduce.

>>512449170 (OP)
Why is 18 so much different than 16?

>>512502961
>16 is optimal
>My proof: a chart.
I even know where you sourced that from based on the filename. There was an archive of hate facts that floated around on /pol/ when your ass was still in school, failing to fuck 16 year olds back then so you developed your "dark redpill" bullshit to rationalize away the sadness of your failed wish fulfillment.
>I see through all of you.
>I have enough respect for the plight you're in to not call you a pedophile.
>You're all still retarded, and gay, and not basing your views on first-principles, reason, the weight of known scientific data against your "knowing"
Much love, just don't get it from a 16 year old: they're annoying as fuck and underdeveloped.

>>512503315
It's not. That's the point.

>>12490601
this is legit some high quality meme shit. oh man. love, romance. god damn. do you schlick to disney movies, becky?

you actually believe in love? people under 18 aren't allowed on this board.

>>512503375
this is why I'm OK with the white race dying out. it's just low iq virtue signalling feminists cuckolds masquerading as macho men and women who want to be men.

>>512504428

Do you have a link to the meme/post? It was deleted from the archive.

I'm 18, I chilled with a group of girls at this carnival and they started pushing their shy friend on me, they said she had a crush on me. Girl was all dressed up and did her makeup well.
>We get to the two person ride
>We start chatting more
>Turns out she's THIRFUCKINGTEEN! Almost 14
>They try to backpedal and say shes 14 cause he birthdays in a month
>They turn on ME as I nope the fuck out and remark that I'm the "eighteen-year-old" as we pass each other in the fair

>damned if you do, damned if you don't

>>512504127
Then why's it such a bfd?

I'm 18, I chilled with a group of girls at this carnival and they started pushing their shy friend on me, they said she had a crush on me. Girl was all dressed up and did her makeup well.
>We get to the two person ride
>We start chatting more
>Turns out she's THIRFUCKINGTEEN! Almost 14
>They try to backpedal and say shes 14 cause he birthdays in a month
>They turn on ME as I nope the fuck out and remark that I'm the "eighteen-year-old" as if I was a creep, when we pass each other in the fair

>damned if you do, damned if you don't

>>512504503

Liberalism, the Feminists won't let the majority age drop below 18, they insist on a planetary level 18 majority age, something that's never been done before in history. Traditionally the default adulthood age was puberty & the majority age would vary from region to region.

>>512449170 (OP)
Date inside your age group, you fucking faggot. You have nothing in common with minors.

>>512504482

Left-Wing Liberals are not the real problem, it's Right-Wing liberals that are the problem. Left-Wing Liberal Jacobin types respond to contradictions of Right-Wing Liberal premises. That's why Left-Wing Liberals were so confused by the Alt-Right movement of 2016, which embraced completely different illiberal premises.

>>512504706

What is a minor is arbitrarily defined, without a formal majority age, the adulthood age is puberty a la animal kingdom & egypt/babylon.

You don't have anything in common with a random person that happens to be the same age as you. That is a silly feminist assumption.

>>512504558
Thirteen and fourteen year olds look at 18-20 with unbridled desire. I was in the same situation many years ago, only, no one was pushing her on me and I turned it down, too. Today, I don't see anything wrong with that, an eighteen and thirteen year old, but back then it felt like I'm taking advantage.

>>512504659
With whoredom being what it is I don't advocate for lowering AOC. Hook up culture needs to go away first. Until then, women who just discovered sexuality five minutes ago shouldn't be exposed to the myriad of perverted adults participating in every manner of lewdness.

>>512449170 (OP)

>>512505185

Extreme open degeneracy is caused by the high AOC to begin with, back in the day 15/16 year old degenerates would get hit with full adult liability, so there was no normalization of degeneracy. When you give under-18 degenerates liability immunity, you normalize under-18 degeneracy, which eventually becomes over-18 degeneracy & the new normal.

>>512497505
Don't know if you're still in the thread but I'm no different a man than when I turned 18 and I'm almost 19 now, I doubt ill be any different at 20, and I remember being next to no different at 16 and 17.
This really kind of feeds the argument against you.
>The State's theory and arbitrary law concludes that a 2 year age gap between one late teen (16 yr minor) and another late teen (18yr adult) as is 19yr old (adult)
>This is fine because of proximity/romeo juliet,

>but as soon as the big number changes to a 2, even when its a +1-2 year age difference it becomes ontologically immoral because the law is always perfectly morally logical and reasonable.

>>512497505
Don't know if you're still in the thread but I'm no different a man than when I turned 18 and I'm almost 19 now, I doubt ill be any different at 20, and I remember being next to no different at 16 and 17.
This really kind of feeds the argument against you.
>The State's theory and arbitrary law concludes that a 2 year age gap between one late teen (16 yr minor) and another late teen (18yr adult) is alright, as is 19yr old (adult)
>This is fine because of proximity/romeo juliet,

>but as soon as the big number changes to a 2, even when its a +1-2 year age difference it becomes ontologically immoral because the law is always perfectly morally logical and reasonable.

>>512505392
A classic. RIP.

>>512505404
These are the things that need to change first. Changing divorce laws would be extremely important but society needs to really shift away from the cock carousel in order for it to be okay to lower AOC. Otherwise, it'll just be older men taking as many virginities they can.

>>512449170 (OP)
>16
A baby just need 0 age to consent to be circumcised and sucked by a rabi. All your theories fall false.

>>512505625

Again, the women's suffrage movement promoted the evil male oppressor narrative that was used as the pretext to hike the age of consent, give women default children's custody & also give women the benefit of the doubt in terms of divorce/sexual harassment judgements.
This is all a a related issue, it was a feminist initiative to hike the consent age.

Normalization of Degeneracy started after the Age of Consent was hiked & Teenage Degenerates were absolved of liability, those degenerates then became legal adults & created a new normal for tolerated degeneracy

>>512449170 (OP)
Age of consent laws are the same as gun control laws in that they only restrict law-abiding men from having important things.

https://youtu.be/7gWpMX8PXy0?si=guqGa8dErr9oHz2u

>>512505392
>Behold, the supreme gish gallop.

>>512505820
But lowering aoc wouldn't change that, it would just allow degenerate old men to get into that. The AOC would need to stay where it is until young adults are taught and actually believe in sexual purity and aspire to marry and start families. Once this is engrained in them enough and older suitors are also seeking marriage can the AOC be lowered. This would include shaming young adults that are seeking promiscuity. Hook up culture is encouraged in almost all US media. People hit it off and almost immediately have sex, young men are encouraged to get laid and young women are encouraged to gain sexual experience. Reversing it probably won't be possible without removing the jew.

>>512499428
Wow, so tough! Picrel is literally me rn!

>>512506412
the US is already puritanical enough as it is. AOC shouldn't be this high. Girls whore it up anyway with their classmates with the aoc being at 18.

>16 hours old
this site is completely fake and the kikes are shitting themselves

>>512509187
But, lowering AOC would open them up for exploitation. The thing that would happen is niggers and other vermin would string them out on drugs and pimp them out. They already do this, but with a lower AOC I'd imagine it'd be a lot more prevalent and there would be less a LEO could do about it. If police pull over a pimp with his 16 yo prostitute in a state where AOC is 18 he has some explaining to do with why he's with a minor that's dressed like that. They can probably get her to talk. But with lower AOC there's nothing illegal about a 28 yo nigger dating a sixteen yo and therefore no reason to investigate.

It's like you guys focus so hard on cunny that you forgot we live in a multicultural world full of dark skinned savages that constantly lust after teenagers and have the worst intentions.

>>512452776
This bitch is crazy

>>512491227
Correct

>>512511375
Yes, tinkering with AOC without racial hygiene is pointless.

>>512490266
>can you name an example of an 18 year old girl financially abusing a 30 year old man in a way that supersedes his exploitation of her lack of cognitive completeness?
This happens probably every day. An 18 year old guy will do the exact same thing as well. Nothing is more powerful than money, it is the single most useful abusw tactic anybody can have. I’ve known women who literally cannot escape wealthy stalkers.

Not only are you people silent on this issue, but right here you start weaswling around and prepping an argument to deny it.

You people are the true predators and abusers. What kind of a person denies this kind of abuse, ong.

>>512491965
Agreed, it’s super obvious. Even as a child I knew AoC was kiked.

>>512495469
>>512495359
>>512493799
The laws in America (and now Britain and the anglosphere as of recent years) are bery contradictory, byzantine, and high stakes. The goal of the lawfare is to use a chilling effect, and the soft power of a failed though runinous prosecution, in order to minimize the number of men willing to date younger legal women.