Would this even be feasible on the front line? Considering drones and other cheap shit is super duper destructive

>>512484000 (OP)
he would sit in a bunker 3000 km away while coordinating drones and robots
soldiers don't belong on a battlefield anymore but since modern war is just depopulation and control tools everything is fine

>>512484102
Humans are much cheaper to use than robots.

>>512484000 (OP)
Not like this fucking faggot. He would get turned into red paste by a $50 drone bought from Aliexpress

>>512484102
Hm, perhaps they could create a system with said soldier where the robots/drones are controlled with AI/his mind as extensions of his will
That level of tech would take some time to develop though

>>512484000 (OP)
Why can't we have an squadron consisting of mostly .22 magnum gatling guns, two or three grenade launchers and one heavy machine gun

>>512484000 (OP)
>Would this even be feasible on the front line?
Go back to your Cawwa Doody.

>>512484247
The very question/consideration itself implies I do not limit myself to cheap children’s media

>>512484000 (OP)

>>512484000 (OP)
Looks awkward as fuck. How do you aim with all that ammo weight pushing a weird angle. Maybe for a big target like a car

>>512484219
You can, but 5-10 chink drones will turn you into raw meat for the wild dogs
You can even use fiber optic to bypass jamming completely

>>512484295
I imagined the enemy of these large and in charge ‘murican storm troopers being literal Emus with Aussie head bands
How head achingly retarded /pol/ makes a person

>>512484102
The Ukraine/Russian war to me is basically like

Imagine 2 capitalists fighting over a gold bar

They pay 2 homeless guys $1 to fight to the death to decide which capitalist gets the gold bar

>>512484000 (OP)
Supersoldier? Yeah right here son, he'd look a lot like this guy right here.

>>512484334
This is obviously meant for suppressing fire.

>>512484482
That is a beverage, you reprobate

>>512484000 (OP)
Ninja genetically able to see in the dark, run without tiring , feel even less empathy than your typical bug. Etc Etc
Assassination not meat grinder, duh obviously

>>512484482
I can confirm this

>>512484548
Regime change, and sneaky
Where have I heard that one before

>>512484000 (OP)
do soliders actually have backpacks like this for machine guns? they seem practical

>>512484410
Don't worry mate this site has made me retarded over the decades as well.

>>512484102
I'm sure they said the same thing when cannons were invented.

>>512484769
>all the signs were clear, and yet the emus plotted and schemed unhindered until it was too late

>>512484000 (OP)
An actual supersoldier would be more about logistics and sustainability. They'd probably be modified to be universal donors who can give and receive transplants from anyone, need little to no sleep with a more efficient digestive system capable of sourcing food in the field. They'd also be intentionally made very stupid and docile but unable to feel fear so they fight aggressively to a retarded degree and built with a shelf life so they die naturally when no longer needed and can't threaten the regime on the homefront.

Just a thousand soldiers like that would royally fuck up any theater of operations for whomever they're fighting against because it'll be like the woods are full of monkeys with guns that don't need to be resupplied and just won't fucking die even filled with shrapnel because they can literally steal your blood and eat your friends to keep going.

>>512484000 (OP)
>"super soldiers"
soldiers are cuckolds that sign away their life to die for the gains of a jewish billionaire that doesnt give a shit about them.
the soldier achieves nothing with his life.

>>512484000 (OP)

>>512484218
na they refuse to adapt but the reality is small group of extremely mobile units should be used to seed drones, give signal and do reckon specs op exclusively
it's going to be like that very soon and war is going to be extremly extremly deadly
>>512484877
just try to imagine a future very close where 1 single individual hidden in the wood several hundreds KM away is controlling a swarm of drones standing everywhere ambushed just waiting for someone who move
they already started doing that in Ukraine
to economize the battery, they ambush the drone and when there's a movement you don't even see it coming 3 drones pop from behind you and one shot you
now visualize that on an industrial scale
China is already making mother ship able to fly several hundreds KM while dropping drones non stop
the future of warfare is fucking insane
in fact Ukraine is the breeding zone for that rapid expansion of drones warfare
Palantir with Anduril are making pants on head retarded drones right now
plus a gigantic AI to control them
we're talking about drones but robots are coming faster than you think
a large swat of snipper armed dogs robots who can shoot you while they run
it's what is going to happen in not very long
it already exists, dude
imagine being a soldier in 2025

>>512485135
What else was this guy supposed to do? Practice common sense and gun safety practices? Please

>>512484000 (OP)
Dude with an EW system in his backpack is going to drop every drone thats not connected to cables, a dude in the woods with an EW system is going to avoid 100% of the drones, drones are a nothing burger if you dont live in a place thats only flatlands

>>512484000 (OP)
not as cools as all the SF media led us to believe

>>512485229
>Just like in my marvel movies
Shut up faggot. Ukraine is all trenches and artillery. You're so fucking retarded you see some drone snuff vids and get such a huge erection you can't control yourself. You're seeing such a minuscule fraction of the conflict its completely negligible. Unless you've got a bounty on your head ukraine (UK) glowniggers are after you're more likely to get killed by lightning crossing an open field than a drone. Its not the future, its just what our retarded banana republic economy can make. Believe me the ukrainians would rather a lot more artillery shells and missiles.

>>512484000 (OP)
secret space programs already have them

>>512484555
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2v1m-75I3_o

>>512484555
When I was at my worst I had to sneak out and take a shot just to keep the shakes at bey.

>>512485643
>absolute fucking retard
I hope you're a grunt.
Boom. It's the last sound you're going to hear.

>>512484102
It's a tough call. Ukraine tells us that the age of infantry might be over but at the same time you will always need boots on the ground to occupy territory and close with and destroy the enemy. No good answers here.

>>512484455
anyone have the cat edit of this

>>512484000 (OP)
They did this in nam, cut down the LMGs quite a bit to reduce weight though

>>512484548
>Ninja genetically able to...
Yes, something like this immediately came to mind, with stealth technology. I was thinking multiple Shadow Teams from Command and Conquer 3 or a team of 8-12 ghosts from Starcraft. Not exactly what you think of as "front line" but a few teams like this can break holes in the lines or cut them off from the back.

A few key positions or leadership targets later and the main crews can mop up easily. Best if they are never witnessed and nobody knows they exist.

>>512484000 (OP)
>I DON'T HAVE TO RELOAD!
Pic looks like a retarded idea

>>512486175
He also doesn’t have to scratch itches either, so who’s the retard now, huh???

>>512485773
Cwimge.
>>512485789
Its not really a tough call only an absolute retard would believe 'the age of infantry is over' when they're desperate for more infantry above anything else like what dreamworld fantasy universe are you drone gurovid gooners even from? Reddit?

>>512484195
They are not.
Bare minimum 100k to train and feed per year. Not counting their pay.
Plus, if killed, that's another 250k to their family plus funeral expenses. Min 20k there.
A thirty dollar drone with 50 bucks of explosives...do the math.

>>512484195
If you hire pajeets using turkish single shell shotguns, sure. A single soldiers clothes and gun costs more than a JDI drone.

>>512484102
Fuck, are you ever stupid.

>>512484482
God gives his drunkest drivers his squishiest speed bumps

>>512485789
Yeah of course we're talking about infantry.
Countries who don't adapt will all have the same kind of casualties as Ukraine/Russian war. If Ukraine proved anything, it's the potential for war of FPV drones and overt drone warfare. Sending units deep in to strike strategic asset at low cost.
I really would like to see what Lockheed or Skunk Works have in their garages if Ukrainian does it with a 3d printer and Alibaba.

>>512484102
there was a star trek episode where the inhabitants would willingly go into an execution chamber because a computer calculated the losses due to an attack, without having an attack.

It started because the people were "beaming" nukes into each other's cities and they came up with the computer system to avoid the destruction. and people did it because it was better than having the attacks.

predictive programming or not?

>>512485693
My dad taught me one drop per 5 gallon bucket of water. He was a pharmacist. I think that works out to 0.00000625

He would be in a factory cranking out millions of AI drones a year.

autonomous drones will be invented to navigate around electronic warfare, to avoid being 'hackable', hardened electronics to function during EMP attacks

eventually the surface of the earth will be covered in them and the only safe place for any human to live and survive will be underground, billions will die, fat people will not live, if its genetic you can kiss those bloodlines goodbye

>>512484102
There will always be a human role, even on the frontline. Everything is just extras and creating the ability to hold the front line with less troops per mile

>>512486538
it's just the trolley problem
>>512486711
more like it create immovable line look at what's happening in Ukraine
the frontline is so deadly (exclusively because of drones) it's simply not moving
when is the cost of life become to high for a military objective?
right now Russia can do it and Ukraine too because they both hate their populations and both side don't understand they're being sent to death for absolutely fucking nothing but that could work for western countries
that many dead would lead to riot in the streets

>>512486945
>when is the cost of life becoming* to high for a military objective?

>>512484915
In fairness when you read the accounts its obvious the 2 soldiers sold the 10,000 round alloted to them at the nearest pub. Ain't no way 2 blokes, a machine gun and 10,000 round failed to kill 1 bird out of thousands.

>>512486945
no line is immovable. ww2 scale carpet bombing would defeat drone nerds, it just hasnt come to that yet

>>512486223
I don't watch gore videos. That shit makes me sick and any self-respecting human being should feel the same. Just saying infantry tactics need a major readjustment in this day and age, when you're talking about a neer-peer enemy. I'm not a general officer so it's not my job to figure that out.

>>512487139
their strategy has been to avoid peer on peer or near peer combat. because they know the losses would be immense. they will politic around those enemies. weak ones, sandal wearing coons threatening israel? now that we will war against

>>512484769
This isn't funny
My grandfather died in the emu war when he was only 5! Delete this anti-occer post before I report you to AADL (Aussie Anti-Defimation Legends)

>>512484195
Not with the white replacement rate lmao

>>512487314
5?!?
That’s like, 32 in emu years. You do not fool me, you feathered FUCK. SEIZE HIM!

>>512484000 (OP)
It looks like a quad copter with a jury rigged explosive duct taped to it.

>>512487465
*BRWAAARK*

>>512487078
kek nothing napalm can't solve
true carpet bombing (without any kind of defense at all) can solve almost anything

>>512487078
>ww2 scale carpet bombing would defeat drone nerds
Would it? Is risking a big ass bomber more cost effective than sending an AI drone swarm?

>>512484195
It costs 100k to payout a soldier killed in action to his family in the US of A. Tax fucking free too.
This isn't even taking in consideration the money put in to train and equip him.

>>512487721
they didn stop carpet bombing for no reason
establishing complete air superiority is almost impossible since anti-air are too efficient

>>512487785
400K actually, if the SM opts for full coverage ($27 a month)

>>512487791
They didn't have complete air superiority when they did use carpet bombing, even in Dresden they lost a flying fortress and other planes.
My point is, if you wanted to carpet bomb a place today, would using a bomber make sense over drones?

>>512484000 (OP)
age old story of increase your own capabilities while reducing your foes capabilities.
how much of a 'super soldier' they are is decided by the budget.
>signal jamming and camo to make you unseen to various frequencies.
>increased connectivity for battle awareness, to relay orders and information between command and allies.
>some form of tactical cameras/drones if that hasn't been delegated to some kind of deployable drone swarm that would sweep the area for intel on hostiles.
that, or throw the whole concept of soldier out the window and win battles with mercs and sleeper agents disguised as civilians.
if the us was legitimately facing an existential threat the rules of conflict would be thrown out the window and you would straight up see soldiers fielded with enemy uniform/insignia.

>>512488185
they would carpet bomb the town they make the drones in
absolutely nothing would be left of that town
you don't carpet bombs units, it didn even work in Vietnam too
when you look at the largest carpet bombing campaign, it was in Japan and Germany
Japan didn had any air defence because they didn had any oil (the reason they were mad to begin with)
it's the only reason Japan was capret bombed that easily they were starved of oil prior to it
Germany was carpet bombed after the biggest and most historical aerial fight in the history of airplanes like the battle of Britain or the battle of midway
we talk about hundreds, thousands of planes fighting each others for days
it's only after they established complete air superiority that they could carpet bomb dresden

>>512484000 (OP)
>drones
Swarms, huge, intelligent, lightning-fast, undetectable swarms.
They will also be able to wait in a standby position for weeks

>>512488452
Nigger, they literally lost 18 heavy bombers while bombing Dresden. The question isn't can you bomb a drone factory town, the question is would you use big ass bombers over a bunch of drones to do it, knowing the bombers are at risk.
If drones are better to carpet bomb a drone factory town, it's not "defeating drone nerds", is it?

>>512488881
dude
1 300 bombers were used to bomb Dresden
one single wave was 800 bombers
holy fuck
300 bombers were used to bomb Tokyo only
do you understand numbers

>>512484295
vgikurte?
igikurte?
gikurte?

sounds very poo to me either way.
warmart getting stank.

>>512485135
good riddance

>>512488970
Anon, they lost a number of planes, therefore even in your definition of complete air superiority, carpet bombing has a material cost beyond ordnance and fuel.
If a drone swarm is more cost efficient than a heavy bomber, carpet bombing does not defeat drones.
If you have two completely equal sides, the one using the more cost effective option can inflict more damage on the other.

>>512489512
It defeats drones if you carpet bomb the whole country and there's nothing left to it
unless there's a hardcore world war for a decade, you're never going to see that again because the world population would reject such practices
the US could do that doctrine exclusively because they had a war economy and the complete production chain to pump out both planes and bombs in extremely large quantities
no countries beside China and Russia have that right now
when it's winning/losing there's no "cost effective" anything
it's what a ww is about
establishing the new hegemony of the world
it's why you're rulled by freemason but don't worry too much they're all in the same club and you and I aren in it
so war are going to keep killing as many peoples as it can while schlomo and co. laugh all the way to the banks (they own the banks too)

>>512489727
>when it's winning/losing there's no "cost effective" anything
Are you troling?
You have limited resources in war, those resources aren't necessarily enough to "carpet bomb the whole country and there's nothing left to it" with the less cost effective option, but might be with the more cost effective option.
The same amount of resources gets you more stuff with more cost effectiveness.
If two countries have the same resources and one uses the less cost effective option, it loses. This is basic math.

>>512490155
na not every war are attrition war
when your country was carpet bombed in history you had already lost it was just to show you how fucked you were
Dresden was bombed when germany had already lost on several front and Dresden wasn even a menace it was just a show of forces and the same excuse they use in gaza right now
(muh everyone is a terrorist or a future terrorist)

>>512484000 (OP)
Gene editing and cybernetic implants. But we are closer to terminators replacing humans. Just need to figure out microfusion batteries.

>>512484482
The ole scotch in the espresso. A favorite move of mine as well anon.

>>512484000 (OP)
Zorb covered in jammers

FAZZA

GONNA TAKE YOUR LIFE AWAY TONIGHT

GONNA DUCK TONY FERGUSON

OOOOOOH FAZZA

>>512492938

>>512484404
isn't it funny how the tech went from wire guided to radio command to laser and now it's wires again?

>>512485643
>such a minuscule fraction of the conflict
50% of casualties and growing
you are so retarded it's hard to believe

>>512488452
>it didn even work in Vietnam
it worked great in Vietnam, they were wiping out entire NVA brigades with one B-52 strike
Westmoreland got shat on for running the war like an assembly line for death but it turned out much later that he was right
after '68 Tet the NVA was scraping the barrel, having lost all of their seasoned troops and most of the heavy equipment; only political disarray in the US saved them from defeat

>>512496026
B-52 strikes were terrifying and awe-inspiring. I highly recommend Vietnam: An Epic Tragedy 1946-1975 by Max Hastings to anyone interested in the war, it's told from the perspective of everyone from Vietcong guerrillas to CIA operatives. Really puts to rest the myth that America "lost" the war.

>>512484102
This isn't really that true, even with extending the range by opting for diesel engines over LiPo batteries, the lifetime on current drones and robots is quite limiting on top of being more expensive to produce. War also entails taking and losing territory or resources which means you need men to on the ground setting up logistics, defenses and administrative efforts to ensure that territory remains in their hands. Humans simply are more energy efficient than robots at this point in time, while also being able to be more pliable and handle complex tasks that take human comprehension.

>>512496282
eh
CIA went rogue dealing drugs and running guns, MACV-SOG was infiltrated, marxists riled up niggers and students and nearly tore the US apart
nation-building in South Vietnam also failed pretty bad (although there it can be argued you can't help people who don't want to be helped)

>>512496026
It didn work at the end of the day it didn help the US subjugate Vietnam or win the war it just made them even more mad ultimately if the US had kept going they would have wiped Vietnam alright it's a win but at what cost
also it just proves carpet bombing is heavily dependent on air superiority if anything
>>512496705
>Humans simply are more energy efficient than robots at this point in time
oh I agree but it's going to change really fast because it's that much better
I think we underestimate what's already being done because it's hidden but I don't doubt we'll see technologies a lot more advanced than we see today
robots deploying charging station
wireless charging
beamed charging
pack of sniper dogs

>>512484000 (OP)
Humans would work besides machines in tandem with one another, the bottlenecks for drones and robotics are resource extraction, resource transport, resource refinement and finally manufacturing; disrupt any part of this chain and you cripple the ability of an enemy to produce more robots, you would be stupid to put all of your eggs in one basket when their is an entire spectrum of domains to fight in, to me the scariest thing about these new technologies is not the hardware per se, but rather the software which the hardware operates on and uses to communicate, this is what will enable these platforms to become more deadly.

>>512484000 (OP)
picrel

>>512497030
the US never achieved air superiority over North Vietnam, but did run carpet bombing missions in North Vietnam, with good results, so good in fact that the traitorous US sec state at the time had to step in and stop them because they were "jeopardizing the peace process" or some shit
strikes on major port facilities in the North were also never authorized, for fear of killing too many Russian "advisors" and starting WW3

>>512497146
Another thing I'd like to add is that once these technologies have been fully felt it may be viewed as a form of escalation akin to nuclear escalation, thus the use of diplomatic negotiation to disarm to an extent or just going ahead by applying 5th gen warfare or "grey zone" logic to certain proxy/pier conflicts like using less sophisticated more small scale means to obtain victory within a specified area.

>>512497513
Exactly, the US was fighting with one hand tied behind its back with the full power of the USSR and Red China backing the North Vietnamese and still killed 2 million gooks for 58K American/allied dead. And Eurotrash will sperg about that "defeat."

>>512484482
Go back to /sp/

>>512497513
>the US never achieved air superiority over North Vietnam
that's a stretch other countries (China and Russia) could have easily stopped
China were doing the same the US is doing now with Ukraine one foot in one foot out

>>512498354
>China were doing the same the US is doing now with Ukraine one foot in one foot out
correct
however the Russians did go all-in, especially in terms of AA missiles and radars
they were getting attritted quite nicely but the traitorous US political leadership again stepped in and declared the russians' missile sites were off limits unless they were painting US aircraft at the moment
the USAF took this shit ball and ran with it and that's how Wild Weasel missions happened (I must repeat, in a hostile, contested airspace)

>>512498752
Alright, I see you're a man of culture. The Wild Weasel who led to the Iron Hand missions, more balsy pilots who ever existed.
Getting targeted voluntarily by a radar to know its position and down it necessitate a special kind of man.
It's kind of a moot point because the technic in itself was invented to acquire air superiority.
The Vietnam War would be a great example of acquiring air superiority while doing strikes.
They first used it AFTER losing too many bombers to Russian AA.

>>512498752
>We were totally winning in Vietnam but we had to restrain
>Restraint: Napalm 2M civilians to death
Cowardly shit army.

>>512484000 (OP)
Ever play Metal Gear Solid

Genetic Engineered Soldiers most likely

>>512484000 (OP)
there’s not really such a thing, you’ve been consooming too many movies and video games
even legit baddass operators like SEALS and Green Berets work in small teams

>>512499429
napalm is fucking awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75DMf-OA1ko

>>512484000 (OP)
like your pic but exoskeleton carrying armor, shrapnel resistant clothing, and a lmg (m249 or some such) with like 1000 rounds. Or some small cannon (since you have an exoskeleton) like 15 - 20mm with mixed ammo. would be extremely situational

>>512484000 (OP)
Realistically the next step in infantry is exo suits that provide strenght to carry squad weapons or simply haul around shit without tiring, and give the soldier utility like gps, targeting, iff, etc. without having to carry 10 different doohickeys around

Of course you also need your expensive super soldier to not die from artillery shrapnel or a VOG-30 to the face, and since he is already wearing an exo with strong hydraulic servos, you can surround him with heavy composite armor or straight up steel plates

You end up with a human sized IFV, a dude that can survive the little drones, step away from the big heavy anti tank drones, does not get stuck in mud, and can enter and clear buildings or hide in them unlike a big dumb tank. And he is carrying a freaking 25mm or a TOW on his shoulder

Of course the main issue is the energy, a bradley has an engine and car (tank?) batteries, there is nothing small enough to power an armored guy

>>512499394
this whole discussion sort of started from the feasibility of carpet bombing in contested airspace
Wild Weasel and Iron Hand would not have been necessary had the USAF been allowed to bomb Haiphong and sink Russian ships bringing in the missiles, or bomb any place in North Vietnam that looked even remotely like a missile battery site, or both
however the experience was valuable and would have served well in the European theater of war in WW3

>>512484877
It's almost like we do this every 50 years or so. Tanks and soldiers were obsolete to the military in 1918 because airplanes and all the crazy different gases that were being invented was top technology.

They're literal War plan was to send a plan or two over a city, drop poison or sleeping gas as needed, and just walked into the city to capture it. No need for guns or tanks or Wars because you could always develop a gas that could get through their filters

Nowadays we think we can do the same but with bio warfare

>>512484195
fpv drone... is cheaper than a rifle for a soldier

>>512500539
It is all that in the 1940s though. The bomber always gets through.

>>512484000 (OP)
One of the best use cases for AI is going to be aim correction a HUD-based targeting system in an exoskeleton. Small correction twitches in the fingers can account for a big difference. Or for something that's mounted rather than carried (everyone likes the imagery of wrist-mounted weapons but there's no reason to limit it to that).

>>512499663
Every troon will be able to go to war with that exoskeleton, literal demons

>>512500539
>had the USAF been allowed to bomb Haiphong and sink Russian ships bringing in the missiles
Maybe, but the idea at the time was really unpopular and led to the hippie counter culture. (real or not) The problem had already moved home at that point.
It's arguable that decision led to the end of the cold war.