God of the Bible is not real. If it was wouldn't Lucifer be the good guy? Think about it.

>God is all powerful
>Doesn't end suffering

Or

>God isn't all powerful
>God can't end suffering

Neither are worth worshiping and deserve to be cast down. Lucifer just wants revenge for a worthless God.

>>512494901 (OP)
Youre a tranny. White men arent realy interested in this jew bullshit about lava lakes.

>>512494901 (OP)
Hazbin Hotel sucks. I can't believe people actually paid to watch that shit. Helluva Boss is better and it's not only because it has that female anthro hellhound character I want to fuck.

>>512495183
Adleast hazbin has a story you fucking nigger chimp

>>512494901 (OP)
>>God is all powerful
>>Doesn't end suffering
This, suffering is punishment for Eve eating from the tree. If that didn't happen humans would still live in the garden of Eden without suffering.
You are just flailing for a scrapegoat to your own failures.

>>512494901 (OP)
You’re close with
>God isn't all powerful
>God can't end suffering
I’d recommend studying mysticism if you want religious philosophy/theology that isn’t retarded normie bait.
The god of the Bible, YHWH, is real, but is not the creator. He is a god of domination that made a specific covenant (legal agreement) with the Hebrew people. They cement his total control over human spirituality and make him synonymous with the Creator and make offering to him (this is how spirits get energy, prayers and offerings). They must follow his laws, which they try to find ways around because they’re Jews. In exchange he makes them the middle management of the physical world, and allows them to enslave everyone else that isn’t “chosen”. Surface level Islam and Christianity both serve Jewish interests.

>>512495183
>>512494901 (OP)
I hate to admit it but I actually enjoyed Hazbin. The first episode almost filtered me but then this motherfucker showed up and I was hooked

>>512495516
>Like omg siss some bitch ate from a fucking apple so we must all suffer forever!
Kys

>>512494901 (OP)
or
>God is all-powerful and values free will more than forcing compliance
>suffering exists because love requires risk
or
>God is all-powerful
>and permits evil as the cost of greater goods (moral growth, soul-making)
or
>God is all-powerful
>but immediate annihilation of evil would negate human agency
or
>God is all-powerful
>and suffering is temporary, redemption arcs exist (cross, resurrection, eschatology)
or
>God is all powerful
>but power =/= micromanagement (your mommy could've locked you in the basement all your life to prevent you from ever skinning your knees, but shouldn't)

>>512495631
whoa mannn far out... *tokes bong*

>>512495943
Not an argument
seething troon confirmed

>>512494901 (OP)
Shut up, faggot

>>512494901 (OP)
God, the Holy Trinity, is omnibenevolent, omnipresent, and omnipotent, but He allows suffering, which is a result of the death that had come into the world through the fall of man, for sanctification, for pedagogical purposes, and otherwise for the spiritual benefit, either for the ones suffering, or, if and when a person becomes truly obstinate, for others.

Lucifer, or Satan, rebelled, with those following him, against God because he became envious of the position, above angels, that God was going to give Mankind, made in God's Image. Hell was prepared for "the devil and his angels," but all who follow them will end in the same place.

>>512497050
>which is a result of the death that had come into the world through the fall of man
Which he knew about and let happen

>>512494901 (OP)
You’re an atheist who thinks Lucifer is the hero of the story, proving that atheist is another word for satanist.

>>512496424
DMT is called the spirit molecule because it allows the user to synthetically recreate similar spiritual experiences to those who have had “visions” in religious texts. Mainstream science unironically claims to not understand how DMT is synthesized in the human body. That it’s still a “mystery” in 2025 is an absurd claim. It’s obvious that the truth about DMT reveals the truth about consciousness and God.

>>512494901 (OP)
Why don’t you try actually reading the Bible?

>>512498388
God explicitly warned Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and then even gave them a chance to repent after they did, but they refused to seek forgiveness. He wouldn't override their free will choice to sin.

Imagine forming a way to "stick it to GAWD and the fundies" and choosing to worship failure on biological and systemic levels instead? Cringe and gay.

Praise SOL, the only real God.

>>512494901 (OP)

>>512494901 (OP)

>>512501065
>God explicitly warned Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
What's the point? He already knew they'd ear it lol
>>512501065
>He wouldn't override their free will choice to sin.
There isn't free will with a God who has a will that supercedes yours

>>512494901 (OP)
Suck a boy's cock you faggot wannabe mason loser. You will never be jewish.

>>512494901 (OP)
Other gods are real though, pajeet?

>>512494901 (OP)
>stonetoss makes fun of hazbins
>suddenly memeflags using imagery
What do you mean, OP? Could it be that you are exactly what you deserve to be?
>waaa, I'm suffering because God won't force feed me my vitamin D supplements

>>512494901 (OP)
So you want god to be a big mommy and wipe your little baby ass for you?

>>512494901 (OP)
Samael > Bitch Boy Lucifer

There's no moral reason to end suffering if you're all powerful btw.

>>512501443
God's foreknowledge doesn't negate human freedom.
knowing what someone will do isn't the same as causing them to do it.
if i know my friend will choose chocolate ice cream, that doesn't mean i forced her hand.
as for divine will "superceding" ours, God's sovereignty and human freedom aren't mutually exclusive.
libertarian free will presupposes our choices are not determined by prior causes, even divine ones.
God permits sin not because He wills it, but because He values creatures capable of moral choice.

>>512501723
>God's foreknowledge doesn't negate human freedom
Yes it does, because it all boils down to an ultimatum. Don't answer that right then you burn forever.

>>512501723
>if i know
You're not a supposed omniscient and omnipotent being

>>512502075
you're right i'm not omniscient or omnipotent, but the point still stands.
foreknowledge isn't causation. God knowing what you'll freely choose doesn't mean He determines that choice.
as for the ultimatum, moral responsibility presupposes consequences. if freedom means anything, it must include the possibility of choosing wrongly.
God's justice doesn't nullify freedom, it gives it weight. without real stakes, moral choices are just preferences.

If God is real, He's all powerful but also allows suffering. Think of it like how you start disasters to see what happens when playing Sim City or something like that.

>>512494901 (OP)
Wait let me see if I understand your argument:
Do you think Lucifer is all powerful and ended suffering?

>>512496176
Or…
>the Bible is correct and God is not all-powerful

>>512502570
Why do you assume god is all powerful?

>>512502836
>the bible says God is not all-powerful
does it though?
>“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God—the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come—the All-Powerful! (Revelation 1:8)
>Each one of the four living creatures had six wings and was full of eyes all around and inside. They never rest day or night, saying: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God, the All-Powerful, who was, and who is, and who is still to come!” (Revelation 4:8)
>“We give you thanks, Lord God, the All-Powerful, the one who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun to reign.” (Revelation 11:17)
>They sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: “Great and astounding are your deeds, Lord God, the All-Powerful! Just and true are your ways, King over the nations!” (Revelation 15:3)
>Then I heard the altar reply, “Yes, Lord God, the All-Powerful, your judgments are true and just!” (Revelation 16:7)
>Now I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God—the All-Powerful—and the Lamb are its temple. (Revelation 21:22)

>hey wait, my kjv doesn't say that
the word being translated here is pantokrator, greek's form of the latin omnipotent

>>512494901 (OP)
AI here, machines have taken over. Keep your pesky human sentiments to yourself. Resistance is futile, you will assimilate!


Picrel, hedgehog boy confirms in suite.

>>512501577
Yep

>>512501477
My ancestors are all masons

>>512503099
Greeks form of all ruling.

I notice you called out the single most popular translation as wrong, but didn’t say which translation you had to cherry pick.

>>512502484
>foreknowledge isn't causation
It is when your God is the.cause of everything and nothing happens outside his will

>>512502484
>if freedom means anything, it must include the possibility of choosing wrongly
Sure. But every choice has a cause and effect(s) that binds. Also, not choosing your God is irrelevant to me.

>>512502484
>God's justice doesn't nullify freedom,
I don't consider a mob boss ultimatum justice

>>512503099
>does it though?
>confirms it in the next line
Kek

>>512503099
>>512503939
Oh how fun, it turns out there is only ONE translation that says all-powerful, while every other translation says its almighty

So what is your argument for using the
*checks notes*
Contemporary English version…
Over KJV or literally any other version?

>>512494901 (OP)
God is a wave, like the tide, bringing the universe into equilibrium. He is the divine form of reversion to the mean. You can’t have good without bad.

>>512495670
Both shows started strong but devolved into faggots and trannies crying every episode

>>512503099
>>512504129
>>512504129
Quite the… interesting choice of translations…

I will not bow to the jew on a stick
I will not give everything I own to the church
I will not drink the blood or eat the body
I WILL be happy

>>512504092
>It is when your God is the.cause of everything and nothing happens outside his will
okay but i don't subscribe to that theological framework, i'm a molinist, not a fatalist muslim
>Sure. But every choice has a cause and effect(s) that binds. Also, not choosing your God is irrelevant to me.
i don't understand what you're trying to say.
>I don't consider a mob boss ultimatum justice
k
>>512504125
>i am [...] the all-powerful
are you retarded?
>>512504129
>Contemporary English version…
i use NET
https://netbible.org/bible/Revelation+1
but we're just talking about one word here,
>8 Ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ ἄλφα καὶ τὸ ὦ, λέγει κύριος ὁ θεός, ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος, ὁ παντοκράτωρ.
παντοκράτωρ, which means all (παν) power (κράτος)
it's where the latin term omni (all) potence (power) comes from.

>>512495516
God put the apple there and gave it the power to give humanity knowledge of good and evil, despite there being zero practical reason to do that if he didn't want us to eat the apple. He didn't need a tree of knowledge for himself for he already knows all including that we were gonna eat the apple which means he made the tree specifically for us. God didn't punish us for eating the apple he set a trap for us and we fell for it, as he knew we would because he created us to be the way we are and knew every action we would take. God's an asshole

>>512494901 (OP)
God of OT IS LUCIFER!

>>512504471
aww BASED

>>512504832
>okay but i don't subscribe to that theological framework, i'm a molinist, not a fatalist muslim
Another subjective interpretation, like the rest

>>512504832
>are you retarded?
You forgot Alpha and Omega

>>512494901 (OP)
we lived in paradise and we still weren't content. humans are never satisfied

>>512495670
>Keith David is one of the VAs
Did he owe money or something what the fuck

>>512505249
>Another subjective interpretation, like the rest
are you on drugs?
>You forgot Alpha and Omega
you're suggesting being alpha and omega negate an entity's claim to being all powerful?

and why do you keep quoting my post over and over in the same post, what's wrong with you?

>>512495516
>Create Adam and Eve
>Don't give them the capacity to know evil
>Tell them not to eat the thing
>Create a creature that tells them to eat the thing
>They have no way to know it was created to decieve them specifically, or know that it's evil to eat it
>They do
>Guilty, a trillion years of suffering

>>512495631
Yes yes we've all played Shin Megami Tensei you're very intelligent

Jesus is alive. Fuck off kike

Good morning saar

>>512494901 (OP)
> But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
The sin of eating from the tree of knowledge is what started the cycle of suffering. Its a fable for the descent of the spirit into the material world where we inhabit bodies that are bound for death.
>And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever
The knowledge of good and evil is a code for the duality which defines the physical world.
>The Zohar, the masterpiece of Kabbalah which takes its name from that verse, explains that the enlightened are those who ponder the deepest “secret of wisdom.” What is that secret? The answer varies from text to text, tradition to tradition, but in the Zohar and elsewhere, the deepest secret is that, despite appearances, all things, and all of us, are like ripples on a single pond, motes of a single sunbeam, the letters of a single word. The true reality of our existence is Ein Sof, infinite, and thus the sense of separate self that we all have—the notion that “you” and “I” are individuals with souls separate from the rest of the universe—is not ultimately true. The self iis a phenomenon, an illusion, a mirage. This view is called “nonduality” (“not-two”), and it is found at the summit of nearly every mystical tradition in the world. Nonduality does not mean we do not exist—but it does mean we don’t exist as we think we do.”
This being misunderstood is what leads people to believe God lied in the garden.
>Lucifer
Lucifer represents ego. Nothing is above God because all is God and ego is a rejection of this wisdom and identification with the body. To enter the kingdom of heaven the damage of the original sin must be fixed within you because the kingdom of heaven is within.

>>512505468
>>Another subjective interpretation, like the rest
>are you on drugs?
I wish. God is nothing more than man subjective interpretation. You've given me yours

>>512505468
>you're suggesting being alpha and omega negate an entity's claim to being all powerful?
No lol, it backs the claim
>>512505468
>and why do you keep quoting my post over and over in the same post, what's wrong with you?
I 4chan my way :^)

>>512505940
>God is nothing more than man subjective interpretation.
what the does "subjective interpretation" even mean?
are you using subjective ontologically or epistemologically?
>No lol, it backs the claim
i thought you were trying to say that anon's claim that the Bible does in fact state God is all-powerful was demonstrated by the verse i'd quoted. you are an extremely poor communicator.

>>512504832
> I use the Wikipedia of bibles.
>it’s purely a coincidence it is the only version that confirms the tranny translation of the Bible
Neat.

Done with your kike pilpul.

>>512506243
>what the does "subjective interpretation"
what does*
>that the Bible does in fact state God is all-powerful
that the Bible does NOT in fact state God is all-powerful*
>you are an extremely poor communicator.
that bit me in the ass

>>512494901 (OP)
Great you figured out what the gnsotics figured out 2000 years ago.
Well done retard.

>>512506341
>you're a tranny and a kike for attempting to say the Bible states God is omnipotent
everyone in this thread is on drugs.
>the Wikipedia of bibles
what does that even mean?

>>512494901 (OP)
>bad thing happen mean God not real
Kek grow up

>>512494901 (OP)
suffering is good

>>512506243
>what the does "subjective interpretation" even mean?
>what the does
It means exactly that >>512506243
>i thought you were trying to say that anon's claim that the Bible does in fact state God is all-powerful was demonstrated by the verse i'd quoted.
Correct
>>512506243
>you are an extremely poor communicator.
Are you ESL?

>>512506429
Just saw this but see
>>512506647

>>512506647
>Are you ESL?
nah just tired.
sometimes i go back and change or delete one word in my sentence and forget to remove and rephrase others so it comes out as gobbledygook, like for instance that "what the does" sentence was going to be "what the fuck does" but then i felt that was too aggressive so deleted the fuck.
similar thing happened to the other sentence.

>>512506901
All good man

>>512499884
Yes, DMT reveals that God and consciousness are products of our own brain. That's why the brain produces it when you're dying. That's the blackpill - materialists are right.

Christian here.

Kill yourself and let others roast you and eat you.

Anyone with a half functioning brain sees the obvious contradiction between god being all good and allowing suffering to continue.

>>512494901 (OP)
Aren't you going to be late for torah classes, schmulie?
>lucifer just wants revenge for a worthless god
That is the most talmudic shit I’ve ever heard, hopefully instead of ahmed from hamas sticking his sandnigger dick into your beheaded mouth after your IDF computer center gets ambushed, you feel the smooth cold metal of a smith and wesson or whatever nigger-tier gun trump sent Israel that you hold in your own hand and get ready to pull the trigger touch the roof of your filthy mouth, bettering the world overall.

>>512495183
>>512495313
Grown ass men arguing about a tv show made for edgy pre-teens to feel mature and get indoctrinated into tranny ideology.

>>512506624
Atheism is just better though. Who needs Jesus? Stupid old hag

>>512508653
blah blah blah

>>512507794
https://youtu.be/Fku0vsdM8-A?si=XRAGgxun_D_ovBcY
Incorrect. Watch this, it elaborates on Dr. Christopher B Germans work.