What was the first cause of everything?

>inb4 everything always existed
this statement would mean that the effect (everything) never had a cause which is an illogical statement. there can't be effect without cause according to logic

>>512567911 (OP)
something

>>512567979
>>512567979
what is something?

>>512567911 (OP)
It's impossible for nothing to exist.

>>512568015
something

>>512568015
You wouldn't get it.

>>512568015
what is everything?

>>512567911 (OP)
If man hasn't figured it out by now I doubt it's going to be solved on a /pol/ thread

>>512567911 (OP)
God

>>512568115
Who's on first?

>>512568126
have you ever solved the bbc problem ?

It's turtles all the way down

>>512568115
everything physical subjected to reduction
you>organs>cells>atoms>subatomic particles> and so on

>>512567911 (OP)
We may never know. Picrel

>>512568653
>everything physical
ngmi

>>512567911 (OP)
>It is illogical to say everything always existed
Imagine thinking the universe is bound, on a metaphysical level, by our own logic.
How fucking conceited do you have to be? Holy shit.

>>512568727
>magic thinking
i rather to stick to the scientific method until you show evidence of the existence of the paranormal/metaphysical

>>512567911 (OP)
honestly the only logical explanation is that we are indeed in a simulation

>>512568907
nobody knows. everything we have are scientific speculations/theses

>>512569077
Exactly.
So don't claim it is impossible.

>>512567911 (OP)
God turned on his computer to play the latest version of Universe Simulator.

>>512567911 (OP)
You’re presupposing that everything is an “effect.” What justification do you have for that view?

A possible alternative perspective for your consideration:

In itself there is no “causality.” All is one.

>>512569211
chances aren't in your favor

>>512569399
Yes. Chances are in my favor in my original statement which was about calling you out on your shallow critical thinking.
So far, you have solidified my original assumption with every single on of your replies.
By the way, I didn't even claim everything always existed, but your brain went there because you are a midwit.

>>512568095
I don't know, anon. My ex wife's heart seems pretty empty.

>>512567911 (OP)
for you? none of this would be happening if I hadn't fucked your mom

>>512569678
the universe is most likely finite (as logic thinking and studies suggest)
applying strict logic, everything must be finite and an effect in order to be congruent with everything else
but go on, tell us the truth, oh might one, i'm all ears

>>512570287
We've went full circle.
Read >>512568907 again.

>>512568095
Existence is what nothingness does.

>>512569935
for some people in this thread, i always been here, i haven't born, i'm eternal

>>512567911 (OP)
>What was the first cause of everything?
"I don't know" is a better answer than, "my retarded superstition is true because I made up a retarded question for retards."

>>512567911 (OP)
What about an edge on the universe who caused matter to fall down creating momentum

>>512567911 (OP)
throw pearls before swine so i can tweet as mine

nope

>>512570462
Cool, do you have a few moments to help me find a parking spot?

>>512570338
i think you didn't fully understand me but doesn't matter to me

just answer me this: where everything came from?

>>512567911 (OP)
The correct answer is that we do not have this information. Autists can't fathom that ontological truth exists outside of tautologies in the form of we don't know and may never be able to know.
Real reality comes with information horizons.

Our cosmic neighbors can be affected by us, and also by another neighbor who will never affect us or be affected by us.

>>512567911 (OP)
>What was the first cause of everything?
Something that exists outside of time. Something infinite, and from infinity, time, and within time, the first cause.
>>512568015
>what is something?
All that is
>>512568115
>what is everything?
All that is

>>512570633
Are we really copy-pasting reply by reply?
Read my second post.
>>512569211

>>512570633
>where everything came from? Verbs are action words that are used by people who are not retarded.

In this book (see pic) the author, famously, uses logic to prove that logic does not work.

>>512568697
This is a perversion.
Desire belongs to Sophia who, in seeking and finding the idea of God, created the Holy Spirit. Logos then manifests in the world, bearing life and bringing it unto its death. The result is the knowledge of all things, the Mind of the Eternal Father, by whom Sophia, Logos, and all the rest have being.

The Kalani death cultists inserted Surtr into the true doctrine, and put Sophia on the throne of Logos.

>>512567911 (OP)
Vibration, 1 single vibration. The word of God, our father, spoke us into existence.

>>512570869
There are no gods, stupid, so your answer is wrong.

>>512567911 (OP)
The universe adheres to some logical structure, which is why we can observe predictable patterns
Logical structures boil down to principles of reasoning
Reasoning requires a conscious mind
Thus, the universe requires a conscious mind to have established its logical structure
This conscious mind exists outside of the universe and is responsible for its existence

>>512570983
>gods
I know dumb fuck, I said God, as in one.

>>512567911 (OP)
Luck

>>512570823
>uses logic to prove that logic does not work.
>>512570823

logic doesn't work but i does work to prove that logic doesn't work?

whaaaat? lol

>>512571326
Existence precedes logic. That's all it is. Autists can't accept this.

>>512567911 (OP)
It's irrelevant. Time has always been embedded with mass, frequency and energy. You can't imagine no time. That's dumb. Imagine that.

>>512571006
This is solipsistic AF. Logic doesn't require a "conscious" mind.

i don't know, mane, seems like something fishy is going on

>>512567911 (OP)
Jews.

Fucking autists...

>>512571490
Change ontologically depends on logic

>>512571655
What is the substance being changed?

>>512568946
information is metaphysical,so is evidence,so is the mind used to evaluate that evidence and observe reality to apply the scientific method.
all of science is based on metaphysical structures that aren't purely material.
empiricism is a dumb world view to have

the three laws of logic are independent of human minds,this are metaphysical and nonchanging

>itt: OP getting manhandled so hard he now silly posts
>I am just pretending to be retarded
Bullying retard never gets old, lmao.

>>512571518
some prominent and competent doctors in the matter say that time is an illusion -which is quite possible to me and to many-

>>512567911 (OP)
there is no cause nor effect.
what you perceive as those is merely the result of your incomplete, momentary perspective.
the whole is unchanging.

>>512571697
Doesn't matter

>>512571718
The laws of logic are observed to be in effect in the universe. The mind is a product of the universe and has adapted to employ the laws of logic to understand the universe.

"Metaphysical" is just an excuse for "join my cult I know the answers trust me bro, no I can't tell you how I know yet."

>>512570338
>full circle

>>512568095
Why would anything exist?
Can you prove it

A causal loop, also known as a bootstrap paradox, information loop, information paradox,[3] or ontological paradox,[4] occurs when any event, such as an action, information, an object, or a person, ultimately causes itself, as a consequence of either retrocausality or time travel.[5][6][7][8] A causal loop appears to violate causality by allowing future events to influence the past and cause themselves.

>>512571788
Where does the Indian Ocean begin and the Atlantic Ocean end? Yet, it would be incorrect to say the Indian Ocean doesn't exist.
This is elementary. Take Jew confusion puzzles elsewhere pls.

>>512571726
i simply don't know. i odn't have any answer. i'm not that arrogant like you, stupid nigger. my question is sincere

>>512571904
>extremely bad faith take
is information material? yes or no?

>>512571810
It matters more than anything else. If there is no substance, there is nothing to be changed.

>>512571490
>Existence precedes logic.
Interesting idea. Unstructured infinity must be what came before, and then a logical structuring?
Finally, an interesting thread

>>512567911 (OP)
The Unmoved Mover

>>512568907
I know right, all these people trying to imagine things it's almost as if they can't. I imagine riding away on horseback with Chalize Theron, like fuck off, I imagine it and it feels good. Get your own imaginations for god sake. It makes me feel good.

>>512571919
I almost lost my mind to an existential crisis of pure dread when I imagined the end of the universe and then imagined what was outside of it. Existence is terrifying. You can ignore it and play in your soft garden, but by being alive you must acknowledge it and it's terrifying.

>>512572018
No, information is not material. All information is encoded via Logos into matter.
All quantity is discrete.

>>512568907
this.
something exists now that means it's impossible for nothing to ever exist. That means there will always be something in the process of becoming something else forever. There will never be a moment in time where nothing is a stable constant.

>>512567911 (OP)
there is no cause nor effect.
what you perceive as those is merely
your incomplete momentary perspective.
the whole is unchanging.

>>512572147
Same here bro. Almost had a heart attack just thinking about it this one time. Its some scary shit.

>>512571935
how many angles are in a circle?

>>512567911 (OP)
The first cause is always a choice.

the jews have this figured out if you aren't amalekites check it out

>>512572354
ah...!

>>512572030
The overarching macrocosmic simplification consider the All, and recognizes it must include contradiction (both essential existence and essential non-existence). This births variety, and non-existence and its contradiction with existence becomes integrated into existence through narrative causality as existence defeats non-existence. In anthropological terms, this is the hero's epic. Evil is remembered within the story of the hero, but eliminated from the outcome.

The final outcome and harmonization of all contradiction into essential existence is the Father, the Mind which bears the All.

There is also a death cult which seeks to embrace the impossible task of fighting for non-existence out of hatred. Fittingly, these people remove themselves from eternity other than through the role they play to define the hero.
These cults are vampiric, seeking to destroy life as much as possible to be, for lack of a better phrase, "the last ones to leave the room and turn the lights off".

>>512572314
You can't be a pure atheist after having this experience. Existence is too fucking weird to just be a coincidence that conclusively requires no explanation.
Like, this is real shit.

>>512567911 (OP)
Just like numbers, it starts with "0" and has infinite numbers forwards and backwards. The answer for what "0" is: Your mom will die in her sleep tonight if you don't reply to this post.

>>512567911 (OP)
Good question. And if it was god, what created god?

>>512572615
zero is a circle

>>512571989
I'm not bullying you for asking or not knowing.
I'm bullying you for the first claim you have made in OP.
>inb4 everything always existed
>this statement would mean that the effect (everything) never had a cause which is an illogical statement. there can't be effect without cause according to logic
Why won't you defend that claim? You have been deflecting ever since I first replied.

>>512571919
I think therefore I am(I exist.)

>>512572662
if a being's essence is existence,they aren't created by the very nature of what they are.

>>512572615
math doesn't always translate to reality 1:1

>>512572615
Mathematic set theory is not descriptive, it is not reducing reality to an abstract definition. Math is a function, it is a process for counting.
All the metaphysical masturbation with math misses the fact that it's a process. It's how you count to infinity, not a description of infinity.
The fact three generations of European autist mathematicians missed this proves they're just fucking idiots and almost no one on this Earth is that smart.

>>512567911 (OP)
either

1) nothing exists eternally and then somehow something happened (from nothing?)

2) the potential for anything to happen (a random field) exists eternally , and occasionally part of it becomes coherent by chance and a universe is born

>>512572147
>>512572314
>>512572772
When you die, you no longer exist.

>>512572930
>but I didn't eat breakfast
>but if you need food just get it from the grocery store

>>512567911 (OP)
>Guys let's use a navigation system of our own universe in order to explain extra universal concepts
Low IQ people ask this question.

>>512572999
This isn't quite right. If it were to be true, then existence in the absolute sense would have to have boundaries. A beginning and end to the universe.
There's no way to explain existence in contrast with non-existence, since neither contain the other, and so neither can be defined by each other, so there's no boundary.
While we may not live or think beyond this life, that's a description of our limited scope of being relative to wider existence. To say that your existence ceases would be wrong.

Ultimately, consciousness is very difficult to explain, and suggests, in conjunction with what must be true about existence, that there is certainly some sort of eternal existence for us beyond what we understand mortal life to be.

>>512567911 (OP)
The infinite time allowing infinitesimal anisotropies to evolve into the matter we currently observe.

>>512571919
It's simply not possible for "nothing" to "exist". Nothingness and existence are two opposite states. It's just about the most clear cut logical impossibility you could imagine.

>>512573294
>15 pbtid
Agree with your post, but ultimately there's no point in discussing or theorizing about it.
Until empirical evidence emerges about near-death or life after death there's nothing to say
None of us have any idea "what happens" to us after the death of our human body.

>>512573029
funny try but that doesn't actually address the point made, theologians have been arguing about this for thousands of years and TAG remains completely undefeated
if something's essence is existence, it's not created.

try putting down the brainrot meme speak.

>>512573450
My question was:
(a priori) Why would anything exist?
Can you prove existence?

>>512573120
>let's believe in flying unicorns propulsed by the chant of 100 angels instead

>>512567911 (OP)
If nothing happened nothing would have happened and space would still being a gigantic void of nothingness.
wich is probably what has been going on for unfathomable time for something to finaly happen, but since no one was here it was basicaly isntantly.

>>512573537
Because it's impossible for it not to.

>>512567911 (OP)
Me, when I touch myself at night UWU

>>512573120
Obviously it's the Jews that would create a (Hebraic alphabet system) concept of different sized infinities by hairsplitting on how different things might be described, and miss the basic idea that their proofs are not descriptive of quantities but of varying procedures of counting.
Some procedures of counting are more efficient than others, this doesn't mean there are different sized infinities. HOLY SHIT.

>>512567911 (OP)
Perception is know via perception, meaning that it is a mystic state; it is the basis of all understanding.

>>512568126
My bet is the /pol/ conclusion will be niggers or jews, and both will be correct.

>>512572147
>and it's terrifying.
to you. stop projecting

>>512572147
the universe is not flat.

>>512573549
I literally didn't remotely imply anything of the sort. Try again, retard.

>>512574037
>in order to explain extra universal concepts

>>512573660
The concept of before and after is likely just applicable within the physics of our universe. We don't even understand time as a plane, let alone can begin to ask a question of extra universal variables.

>>512574136
>>in order to explain extra universal concepts
Yes, like if "before and after exists" anywhere else but within our universe. To assume that it does just implies a low IQ because it illustrates you've never even thought about it.

>>512574037
Don't bother. OP is a midwit. Read his posts to confirm.

>>512573504
When you define a thing, does your definition refer to the totality of its essential parts, or is there a rearrangement of those parts that exists without any of the pertinent meaning of the original thing.

The reason why Jews have been so successful at subverting Western Civilization is because they rely on our stupidity of getting trapped in needing complete definitions rather than admitting to the horizons of our knowledge and trusting in the divinity of existence.

There are no ideal forms. There is no realm of ideas. All quantities are discrete, all interaction is contextual.

>>512567911 (OP)
Everything

>>512573973
So it just goes on forever and ever, with no beginning?

>>512574136
i wont waste time on semantics

>>512574275
Ahh, one of those. Thanks.

>>512567911 (OP)
what if there was two uncaused causes?

>>512567911 (OP)
>What was the first cause of everything?
Retrocausality. The death of the universe goes back in time and restart everything

What if time and the universe really are just infinite? Can you accept that possibility?

>>512567911 (OP)
trying to think about this is a losing game. 99% of philosophy is gay and retarded. imagine being a materialist that believes the big bang

>>512574357
Yes, where do you think all the solar power / heat go after getting vaccuumed by space ? it sucked forever by the next void near it and it's really insane to think about

>>512574557
>philosophy is gay and retarded
Only metaphysics and ethics.
t. philosophy bachelor

>>512574447
>indian where the only realist religion
can't make this shit up, but realisticaly it will never fully die to allow the exact same creation to happen at the beginning

>>512567911 (OP)
Some lonely guy masturbating on a hill but that might just be figurative.

>>512574592
The standard model is garbage. Watch some Sky Scholar on the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_FvIESDXWA

>>512574660
True, I enjoyed the Phil 101 logic class I took (was compsci major) but you know what I meant.

>>512568115
It is what it is.
I am who I am.
Consciousness is the universe interacting with itself.
Monad.
Nothing.

We never will know in this existence. Just believe what makes it easier to get by on.

>>512574314
>starts ranting about Jews and insulting the person not the idea.
if I'm talking about something's *essence*, it's the the very nature of the pure entirety of that thing.

>There are no ideal forms. There is no realm of ideas. All quantities are discrete, all interaction is contextual.

is truth subjective? if so, is that a absolute truth claim?

so uh... you guys figure out that epistemology thing yet or are we still all fighting over shit that half of us think is fake anyway?

>>512567911 (OP)
>there can't be effect without cause according to logic
Well then God can't be an effect.

I like to imagine me and Charlize Theron are on our second glass of champagne and she says to me "look at this". She walks across her expansive bedroom on the plush blonde carpet and opens her sliding built in wardrobe door and inside is a fucking quasar. Not some CGI or fake quasar but an actual fucking quasar spinning in there. The light highlights the pronounced indent in her upper lip. "Do you like my quasar" she says as I move across the carpet close to her. The gravity pulls me in and I hold onto her waist. "It's beautiful baby" I say as I pull her closer feeling the firm body and contours of her legs and body connect with mine in a solid symbiotic encroachment. "I love it babe" she leans her head back forcing herself more solidly into our shape and pushes her head into my neck. She tightens her expression in pleasure and says "Higher Spin: A higher spin rate can lead to more efficient energy extraction from the black hole, resulting in a brighter quasar.

>>512573612

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(religion)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenon

>>512574779
bruh
we're just heat being transferred somewhere else

>>512575614
I'm feeling the heat

>>512567911 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2vgICfQawE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouipbDkwHWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP5-iIeKXE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk2MH9O4pXY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eC14GonZnU

>>512567911 (OP)
>What was the first cause of everything?
Time
Without time, all causes occur congruently, which means the universe BOTH exists; yields all possible entropy configurations, and collapses into an infinitely dense point. Time is a collapsed singularity; it is the stationary Euler's disk. The increment between one instance of time and the next decreases toward 0 until there is there is no possible action which can propagate *before* the next increment of time, and then you have cause and effect

>>512575712
>muh cellular automata
this only addresses the second layer down in OPs pic, has nothing to do with the actual question. Also these systems require a definition of the 'rules' of the game, which can't arise from the game itself.

>>512574592
You're retarded. Imagine being so small brained you just think that the universe is a circular mario pipe and that's a sufficient explanation.

>>512574827
This bad Platonic philosophy is embodied by Jews and everything the believe and fight for. It's creation by hairsplitting.

There's no "pure entity" of "things". An apple is not a "thing" and there's no pure version of it.

>>512574827
Hume dismantled this centuries ago. Go to Thomas Reid. He mostly sorted it out.

You just have a sophomoric understanding of what forms are.

>>512576558
>>512576475
>>512575931
>>512575829
DID YOU GUYS REPLY TO THE MAMA POST YET??! IF NOT, YOUR MAMAS ARE NOT SAFE!!!

>>512576727
I got quadruple immunity dog'd years ago. Nor have my eyes seen the post you speak of.

>>512575931
The structure just is. You want to say "God just is" but somehow require that the structure be created. As usual you like all other confused little ones don't understand, the god you manifest depends on you and your adherenre to the (God) religion encoded by its memes, like you depend on the pious adherence of your cells to the (You) religion encoded in your genes, and they their chemical and atomic subcomponents.

The universe simply is. Do you think all the intricate structures in group theory are made up by something, and not inherent on their own? Your god may outlive you, but he too is mortal and theoretically can be killed.

>>512567911 (OP)
My Dûnyain from another whale-mother, the Logos is without beginning or end.

Bakker is king.